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Watching Anti-Science POV admin candidates

• None for now.

Articles on Quackademic Medicine

Below are articles articles, mostly medical but some in the sciences, that promote ideas or POV's that might endanger human life. Feel free to add your own, but I'm watching and cleaning up these articles. Please sign if you add something.

• List of medicinal herbs-lacks any references, and implies these drugs can help.Orangemarlin 00:52, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
• Herbalism-same as above Orangemarlin 00:52, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
• Homeopathy-ridiculous Orangemarlin 00:52, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
• Attachment therapy-don't let your children go there Orangemarlin 00:52, 12 July 2007 (UTC) This has been rewritten since User:AWeidman (Dr Becker-Weidman) and his 6 socks were indef banned. Fainites 16:45, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
• Medicinal plants of the American West-more unsourced POV edits Orangemarlin 00:52, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
• Alternative medicine-more of the same Orangemarlin 00:52, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
• Naturopathic medicine-Actually not completely off the wall, but some parts are bad. Orangemarlin 00:52, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
• Er, Duesberg hypothesis and poppers could both use more work, and talk about endangering lives... especially the former. MastCell 18:54, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
• I'd also add ephedra to the list... I did a lot of work cleaning it up and it's not so bad anymore (it actually references the serious harms and deaths associated with ephedra supplements in a way that goes beyond referring to the FDA as jackbooted thugs, now). But much of the same material is duplicated in ECA stack, which I haven't been as successful with, and which I fear gives an erroneous impression as to the safety record of ephedra-containing dietary supplements. MastCell 19:20, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
• Arguably, Reflexology, though that's probably not actually dangerous, just ridiculously oversold. Adam Cuerden 00:51, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
• Vaccine controversy. Anti-vaxers are really dangerous. -- Fyslee / talk 08:27, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
• Hulda Clark. A dangerous scam. -- Fyslee / talk 08:27, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
• Gary Null. Advocates nonsense. -- Fyslee / talk 08:27, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
• Joseph Mercola. Advocates nonsense and repeated run ins with the FTC. -- Fyslee / talk 08:27, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
• rebirthing, reparenting, Power therapies. Primal Scream therapy. I would treat Neurolinguistic Programming as the main hub for many of them though. Its a subject that seems to be the main pseudoscientific umbrella that is used by most of them to give the false impression of scientific appearance. Its incredibly widespread and extremely misleading to the less scientifically literate. Here is a good source; . Phloem (talk) 05:33, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

anyone who wants to work on this complex of article, I'll be glad to help. Time we got to the pseudo-psychology. DGG (talk) 21:18, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

try Eisner in The death of psychotherapy, Chapter 3 "Cathartic Therapies:From Primal to est". A little out of date but .... Fainites 22:20, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

• coral calcium. I just put in some references, but there is a lot more that can be done. That someone would think that coral calcium can be used as a panacea for all types of cancer when in fact excess calcium can, in some cases, be detrimental to certain cancer treatments means that we should be very careful how the claims of the coral calcium fanatics are treated. ScienceApologist (talk) 21:38, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
• Mannatech. An article about a company that purveys sugars, calling them health products (glyconutrients). Antelan 02:39, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Medical articles

Below are articles that I believe, along with any trusted science and medicine editors who may wish to contribute, meet the simple test of being well-written, do not give undue weight to fringe theories, and are either WP:GA or WP:FA:

• Alzheimer's Disease
• Rotavirus

Articles_for_deletion/Thule_Society

Have a look Misplaced Pages:Articles_for_deletion/Thule_Society LeadSongDog (talk) 18:29, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm not getting the reason for deletion? It seems notable enough. Sure, it needs a complete NPOV workover, but I'm not sure it deserves deletion. But, drop a note here, maybe I'll see your point. OrangeMarlin 00:52, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Wasn't the AFD self explanatory? The article has been there for six years without a single citation. There's no way of verifying where anything in it came from short of retracing every prior editor's steps. There's at least one large edit that looks very much like it was a copy-paste from somewhere unstated. It's full of unqualified extraordinary claims without evidence. However, it looks like I'm the only one troubled by this.LeadSongDog (talk) 03:01, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Re: Introduction

Hi OrangeMarlin! It's great of you to make attempts to rid Misplaced Pages of anti-Semitism. I have not actually encountered any anti-Semitism from non-Arab Wikipedians, but that's probably because I don't really edit articles unrelated to Israel (except anime and hockey, sometimes). I will be glad to help you in fighting anti-Semitism, but take into account that I know very little on most subjects covered in Misplaced Pages, especially US-centric ones. I only focus on Israel-related entries - call me narrow minded; I prefer 'narrow specialist' :)

About the Canucks - As it says on my userpage, I have lived in Burnaby, British Columbia in the past, which made the Canucks my home team. They're a good team and I still follow their progress now, even though I live very far from Vancouver and the team isn't doing that well anyway. There's no opportunity to play hockey in central Israel either - mostly because people don't play, so it's hard to find enough people for a game who also have the necessary equipment - even if it's a street/roller hockey game. And I'm not going to move to the north anytime soon.

Glad to hear from a fellow soldier. Two of my friends currently serve in the Medical Corps. Cheers, Ynhockey 20:31, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Allopathic

Do you want to try Misplaced Pages:Dispute resolution ? Bryan Hopping 00:49, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

I've actually asked that you be permanently blocked. It's a better solution, because if it were only me, then it would work. But every editor disagrees with you except for CAM nutjobs. So, I've asked previously, and I'll ask again, stay off my page. I'm hoping you're indefinitely blocked soon. OrangeMarlin 00:51, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

This sure seems like a personal attack to me. Bryan Hopping 01:31, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Hopping, I honestly think you and OrangeMarlin have gotten off on the wrong foot. The way I see it, you are a prolific writer of good D.O. content that Misplaced Pages needs. As far as I know, the only substantive issue that I've ever had with you is your usage of what I consider a tendentious term for MDs across article space. OM, if Hopping can restrain himself from inappropriately labeling MDs, and explain why he called us 'liars', you should take a tour of his work. Aside from the allopathic pushing, the balance is quite good - at least what I've seen. Antelan 12:27, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Hopping is certainly about 10,000,000,000X better of an editor than the racist, anti-Semitic neo-Nazis that I'm dealing with elsewhere. I'd rather Hopping just stop this Allopathy crap, and then maybe he can help out. I never knew about this Allopathic label until I was reviewing one of his GAC's (or maybe FAC's), and noticed the label. He has to stop however. OrangeMarlin 15:39, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Absolutely. Antelan 16:47, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

God Save the South

FYI - it looks as though not perma-banning this editor actually had some useful repercussions. I watchlisted his talkpage, and today noticed this. A quick look through that editor's contribs found this and this. I pointed this out on IRC, and voila. Black Kite 13:16, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

In this case, God Save the South's account functioned as what we call, a "honey pot". Then, it was ban hammer time. --Filll (talk) 13:22, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

You know, this makes me feel better. Maybe putting up with editors, that say "Jew Comedian" is perfectly acceptable, is the cost for blocking the more notorious racists on this project. GSTS may have a purpose.  :) OrangeMarlin 15:36, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Truth be told, another editor and I were already watching that one closely, but I didn't mind seeing things happen a bit sooner and more swiftly than they otherwise would have. Cheers. :) Gwen Gale (talk) 05:48, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

That was a bit over the top

Just so you know, WP:NPA applies to edit summaries as well. Blueboy96 18:46, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

It does, but where's the personal attack? Dorftrottel (ask) 03:13, April 13, 2008

Agreed. Where is it? I'd love to know. OrangeMarlin 06:24, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

From the very opening, "Comment on content, not on the contributor. Personal attacks will not help you make a point; they hurt the Misplaced Pages community and deter users from helping to create a good encyclopedia." You've obviously been emotionally charged the last few days and have refused advice to keep your cool, and consequently have resorted to personal attacks, even against editors genuinely interested in both helping you and the project. So if you're not going to take the advice, and if you do continue to make personal attacks--toward anyone--and continue your rude behavior, it will be dealt in an appropriate fashion that neither you or anyone else really wants to go through. If you want my personal advice, I suggest you take a few days off from editing, cool off, and come back levelheaded. ~ UBeR (talk) 06:54, 13 April 2008 (UTC)