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{{Moreinfo}} I think you need to follow the SSP investigation and try to narrow it down to a specific user. ] 18:23, 18 April 2008 (UTC) {{Moreinfo}} I think you need to follow the SSP investigation and try to narrow it down to a specific user. ] 18:23, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
: I agree with Thatcher, SSP is a better option. You can probably copy/paste most of this into a new report at ], and then post a link to the SSP case to the "Experiment" discussion. Then different editors (including non-involved editors) can weigh in with their opinions on who they think might be behind different accounts. If we have a clear consensus there, administrative action can be taken directly, without requiring a CheckUser. In general (Thatcher, please correct me if I'm getting this wrong), an SSP is a better "first stop" for complex sockpuppetry investigation. --]]] 01:18, 19 April 2008 (UTC) : I agree with Thatcher, SSP is a better option. You can probably copy/paste most of this into a new report at ], and then post a link to the SSP case to the "Experiment" discussion. Then different editors (including non-involved editors) can weigh in with their opinions on who they think might be behind different accounts. If we have a clear consensus there, administrative action can be taken directly, without requiring a CheckUser. In general (Thatcher, please correct me if I'm getting this wrong), an SSP is a better "first stop" for complex sockpuppetry investigation. --]]] 01:18, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

::The reason I deferred consideration is that this looked like a fishing expedition against anyone Rembaoud disagreed with. However, I looked at the history of some of the articles and there is definitely a problem here. {{confirmed}} that all the IPs are {{user|MarkBA}}. But given that, there appears to be tag-team reverting and edit warring on both sides, and I recommend listing this incident at ] not only for consideration of MarkBA's actions, but whether any or all of the editors of the contended articles be placed on 1RR or other sanctions per ]. (I note for example among other problems.) ] 05:45, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

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Filed: 12:27, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Possibly two different users. I do not want to accuse anybody, but it is highly suspicious that these IPs are belonging to one or two of the following users (see explanation below):


  • Code letter: A, C, E, (possibly B & F too, if the IP's user(s) is/are listed here:)


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  • User:Svetovid: 3x blocked for edit warring, look at his contribution list. When he was unable to manage User:Nmate blocked (public enemy no.1 for Svetovid, Tankred, Tulkolahten, and MarkBA), he eventually attacked the administrator wich tried to mediate between them. See this: and this oddity. He made some other funny "steps" against this "biased user", User:Ricky81682. More links to previous cases are inside these links.
  • User:Tankred:4x blocked, all during edit warrings, twice he was paroled due to WP:3RR policies. look at his contribution list. He placed a lengthy personal and general attack against User:Hobartimus, User:Squash Racket, and me on his userpage. When the personal parts wrre removed, he started an edit war, to put them back, even claiming the opposite. The full section was deleted from his userpage since, with no revertwar for putting it back since. Tankred is under general restriction since April 17, clearly a highly disruptive and agressive user. With almost no credibility
  • User:MarkBA - no blocks but mass uncivility and multiple attempts to manage Nmate blocked wich all fall back on him (for example:, more links to previous cases inside), since he was way more uncivil to Nmate (and others in general, see link). Mark now seemingly edit warring from at least one IP (see above) There are massive general attacks on his userpage as a farewell text(?) "couple of mobs pushing their crazy political propaganda", "being chased or harassed by a couple of jerks", "fight extreme nationalist and chauvinistic edits" (see the favourite words "chauvinistic", "propaganda", "nationalist"? :)) ) - obviously referring to User:Hobartimus, User:Squash Racket and - probably - me. Tankred was not that "polite", see above.
  • User:Tulkolahten:1x blocked for edit warring. Plus once again in a previous edit dispute, but unblocked, since the blocking admin was the same he was disputing. Posted also multiple misleading edit summaries. Whenever on of them is revealed, he goes into edit warring and a lame dispute, trying to prove that red is indeed, not red, just seems like red. Tulkolahten's edit summaries are also lacking credibility. See the latest: and try to find when did Hradec Kralove became HK (aka a non-german town) (some wikiclues:Expulsion of Germans after World War II & ). This edit is what I call history falsification. Tulkolahten is under general restriction since March 30, but massively edit warring ever since , , ,


Same language, same edits, same points of interest, same accusations (vandal, extremist, chauvinist, nationalist), multiple WP:CIV and WP:NPA in edit summaries and on talkpages, etc. etc. (see contribution lists' edit summaries) This case is huge, and possibly this is just the top of it. The owner (s)of the IPs must be banned for life imho, since this is obviously good for nobody, and they are digging the ditches between Slovakian and Hungarian/Slovakian-Hungarian users deeper and deeper, so urgent action needed.

More of this can be read here, with lots of links (even to previous cases) and explanations, (I don't want to copy all material here): User talk:Elonka/Hungarian-Slovakian experiment, especially at here: and at here: Rembaoud (talk) 12:27, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

PS: User:Elonka adviced to create this page. --Rembaoud (talk) 12:40, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

For the record, the actual thread is here: User talk:Elonka/Hungarian-Slovakian experiment#Tankred's userpage, and my actual advice was to try an SSP report first, since a CheckUser might get rejected. But, if you wanted to take the time to pull together the diffs, that's yours to spend. We'll see what the CheckUsers say. --Elonka 14:18, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the correction. I found checkuser more clear, than the SSP thing, since we do not know who's are they, and they might impersonate MarkBA as well as did it with me. Better not to accuse anybody. BTW WP:SSP and WP:RCU seem(ed) pretty similar to me. --Rembaoud (talk) 15:45, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

I think the IP 78.99.121.251 with multiple disruptive edits/edit warring belongs to User:MarkBA. This edit summary rang the bell. He also used the phrase "Capiche?" during a discussion here (and I've never heard this coming from anyone else on Misplaced Pages). Here he tries to own an article MarkBA created. The IP edited exclusively Slovakia related articles, just like MarkBA. Here making similar edits as MarkBA earlier at the very same article. Here edit warring at a category MarkBA created. More than suspicious.
As the IP has a clearly disruptive editing pattern, I think a Checkuser is needed. Squash Racket (talk) 16:59, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

I protest against personal attacks posted on this attack page. Since the recent creation of his account, User:Rembaoud main activity was to change official geographic names in Slovakia-related articles to their Hungarian versions. He has been reverted by all the users listed here, but that basically is the only thing that we have in common. Rembaoud has been placed under editing restrictions and his edits are being discussed at

 Additional information needed I think you need to follow the SSP investigation and try to narrow it down to a specific user. Thatcher 18:23, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

I agree with Thatcher, SSP is a better option. You can probably copy/paste most of this into a new report at WP:SSP, and then post a link to the SSP case to the "Experiment" discussion. Then different editors (including non-involved editors) can weigh in with their opinions on who they think might be behind different accounts. If we have a clear consensus there, administrative action can be taken directly, without requiring a CheckUser. In general (Thatcher, please correct me if I'm getting this wrong), an SSP is a better "first stop" for complex sockpuppetry investigation. --Elonka 01:18, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
The reason I deferred consideration is that this looked like a fishing expedition against anyone Rembaoud disagreed with. However, I looked at the history of some of the articles and there is definitely a problem here.  Confirmed that all the IPs are MarkBA (talk · contribs). But given that, there appears to be tag-team reverting and edit warring on both sides, and I recommend listing this incident at WP:AE not only for consideration of MarkBA's actions, but whether any or all of the editors of the contended articles be placed on 1RR or other sanctions per Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Digwuren. (I note for example misuse of Twinkle among other problems.) Thatcher 05:45, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
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