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Arrested Development (film)

If you want the material to be deleted, then by all means I am fine with opening an AfD, but if you have the interests of the material at heart, then a merge - as I have done - is the proper course of action. Let me know if you have any further concerns; WP:NFF is rather clear on the matter. Thanks, Girolamo Savonarola (talk) 07:04, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

I must have missed the part of WP:NFF that states that a person should come off as rude and heavy-handed in this situation. Broooooooce (talk) 12:08, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Reply

To be utmost honest, it makes a lot of sence when you put it that way. It's funny how IP's simply ignore the larger templates and get rid of the smaller typing. I have reverted myself :) - one and only, Superior (reply!) 02:00, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Arrested Development episode detail

Hi -- noticed you've done extensive editing of the AD episode pages. While these changes have improved these pages, I'd like to open up a discussion on the justifications you cite and what procedure the community might take in finding a middle ground.

But, to avoid opening a can o' worms that has been opened and fished from already, was consensus originally reached to make these redactions? If so, then just point me to the discussion page/archive so I can avoid repeating ideas. If not, then I may go ahead and open a discussion at Talk:List of Arrested Development episodes. Thoughts? ∴ Therefore | talk 05:16, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Very funny (gave me quite the chuckle) -- no, I don't think you've made a "huge mistake". I've been cycling through the HDNet reruns and came here to see all that cruft that this fan likes to read about -- using The-OP.com's million posts becomes tiresome. That said, I guess I took issue with the extensive list of justifications for the deletions. WP:FANCRUFT is neither policy nor a guideline and can be uncivilly pejorative -- but we know it when see it. Clearly WP:EPISODE supports the deletions of continuity errors but I don't see an WP:NPOV problem here. None of the examples of WP:NOT#DIR seem to apply so I think you are using a broader reading than its intent.

So, that leaves us with the pillars: WP:NOR and WP:V. This is where my problem lies. Absolutely agreed that the example pages from WP:EPISODE are excellent. The articles I write/edit generally use a reference per sentence. However, I tend to write/edit articles about history and politics which demands rigor. If all of your deletions are justified by NOR and V, then why didn't you delete all of the "Cultural references" and "Notes" for (say) The One Where Michael Leaves? Isn't it true that you not only deleted painfully obnoxious references about how Michael uses the letter "R" for rape but kept those references that you believe are accurate? There is no reference provided to support that the 7 minute G.O.B. wait was a play on the G.W.B. pet goat wait. On what basis is that retained? Editor's choice in lieu of WP:V? Similarly, no source is given for the Michael Moore statement. Basis? Duh, it's obvious. But is that a policy, guideline?

I'll stop being so argumentative and get to my real point: The standards for WP:NOR and WP:V are lower for popular (non-BLP) articles than for weightier topics. You have (implicitly) acknowledged that by retaining many NOR/V violating statements. Possibly I may make some time to think about re-incorporating *some* of the deleted text that I believe rises to this same level of relevancy. Although, your idea of a grouping the "running jokes" or callbacks in their own article is quite intriguing and may be a way to solve this. Thoughts? ∴ Therefore | talk 05:54, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, you mean not WP:NOT#DIR but WP:NOT#INDISCRIMINATE. I remain unconvinced of the WP:NPOV issue. You and others of like mind disagree with editors who have a more expansive view of inclusion and that is an issue of reaching consensus and not a POV vio. The difference between the two groups is one of degree and not type.

And that returns to my primary issue: not "a bit" of flawed reasoning but a cut and dry inconsistency. You justify your edits citing WP:V and WP:NOR. By the same strict application, the entire article is unjustified. Every episode article for AD should be deleted with the plot summaries left for the List of Arrested Development episodes page. Clearly, 98% of all Misplaced Pages episode articles should be deleted. In the absence of reliable sources, utilizing the same strict standard of WP:V used for scholarly, political and biographical pages, to do otherwise is unjustified.

I believe that you and I have a similar outlook: the standards of WP:V and WP:NOR have varying levels of strictness. Television episode articles that have allusions and cultural references (particularly one as well written as AD) can be developed through consensus letting the community determine relevance. Your edits are an excellent, beginning compromise between article deletion and the tiresome, poorly organized pre-edit article. But we need to justify your edits and by doing so the community should agree that consensus of relevance is the standard being used and not WP:V nor WP:NOR. Thoughts? ∴ Therefore | talk 16:56, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Question

Did you intentionally lower that picture? If by accident, I fixed it. If on purpose, I'll return it to how you put it.- one and only, Superior (reply!) 16:04, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

WP:RFA

Have you considered nominating/running? I actually think your almost ready. Comments?--RyRy5 (talk) 06:00, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

I guess your idea sounds better. A good coach? I'll give you a list of good coaches soon.--RyRy5 (talk) 06:13, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

I have 2. User:Jj137 and User:Nousernamesleft. I'm trying to find a list of others in my archives, but I'm having no luck.--RyRy5 (talk) 06:21, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Was this really appropriate? Considering his age? —Erik (talk • contrib) - 03:43, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

A few of the votes mentioned age (although as a non-issue), so I thought you would have noticed. In addition, I know Misplaced Pages is not censored, but the question seems out of place at the RFA. Hope it accomplishes what you want it to accomplish, then. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 03:49, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

I won't revert, but I was also concerned that it would reflect badly on you. You've explained your intent, but in a mere glance at that optional question at the RFA, it can be disconcertingly misplaced. We'll see what happens. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 03:58, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Admin coaching

Well, I see you would still like a coach, and I'm willing to help you. I've looked over your contributions and I think you have the temperament and patience for the job. My current coachee is ready for RFA except for that pesky, teeny little requirement of actually writing content for the encyclopedia. The candidacies of editors who are short in the writing department don't end well usually, and I'm trying to spare him that aggravation.

I've been an admin since June 2007; prior to my RFA I did a lot of vandalism work and some new page patrol, and I also got some experience closing non-controversial AFDs, which I'll show you how to do. I have thousands of log entries you can sift through if you like. My admin work is mostly on admin backlogs. Since the end of February I've been fiendishly working with a few other admins to clear a shameful, seven-week backlog at Misplaced Pages:Copyright problems, and we're actually ahead of the queue now. I consider myself a copyright expert now - how could I not be after four weeks in Siberia? - so that's a good thing to know about me. I also create new accounts from requests at unblock-en and the account creation email lists, and I pitch in at WP:AIV, WP:AN3, and WP:UAA on a spot basis as needed. I don't comment as often as I used to at RFA because I just don't have time, but I do try to comment on the contentious ones and those of candidates with whom I'm familiar.

My philosophy about this place and this 'job' can be found on my user page. I'm pretty frazzle-proof about Misplaced Pages, but I have to tell you that the mop is not for everybody. Among other things, it requires civility and patience and tact. People who lack one of those three may be successful candidates, but they won't be good admins. More importantly, they won't _like_ being admins, and that's becoming a real problem for us. We're losing experienced admins left and right, something like 10 in the last two months or so, and we need people who are suited for this work.

If you'd like me to coach you, we'll take as long as you want and go at your pace, not mine. I used a freeform style with my last coachee, but I'm going to use a hybrid of Malinaccier's system to see if it works better for me and for coachees. In real life, I'm a good teacher (or so students and patients tell me) and I like teaching, and I really like to have fun while teaching. Let me know if you're interested. :-) Thanks. KrakatoaKatie 08:30, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

CapitalR's RfA Question

BTW I thought that was a great question---one that I haven't seen before.Balloonman (talk) 19:02, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. The Dominator_Edits 22:09, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

thank spam

Thank you for voting in my RfA, which passed with 194 supporting, 9 opposing, and 4 neutral. Your kindness and constructive criticism is very much appreciated. I look forward to using the tools you have granted me to aid the project. I would like to give special thanks to Tim Vickers, Anthony and Acalamari for their nominations. Thank you again, VanTucky

Civility

This edit you just made was very uncivil. "Hoping to be the first" to oppose an RFA? Please strike this from your !vote and assume good faith. Malinaccier (talk) 00:10, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Then please explain this to Nothing444. At least over the computer it looked very bitey. Malinaccier (talk) 00:13, 24 April 2008 (UTC)