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British and Irish Lions

I have reverted your edit. I know that the Irish constitution does claim that the name of the country is "Ireland" rather than the "Republic of Ireland". However in this context, Ireland is more likely to be taken as referring to the entire island. The Republic of Ireland may not be part of the UK but it's somewhat misleading to imply that the whole island is not.GordyB (talk) 21:40, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

bulk rename

G'day, I see you are renaming a large number of articles. Has this bulk rename been discussed anywhere? If it hasnt, could you stop until others can review. Cheers, John Vandenberg (talk) 14:58, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Of course, however I can't see any objections to renaming as I am just correcting the name of the articles to a more accurate and official name. Their previous article names were quite slang sounding. Having the official name of the country in the article is much better.Wikipéire (talk) 15:03, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Hello. Unilateral renaming of every article with "Republic of Ireland" in the name is not appropriate. Changing everything to "Ireland (state)" is totally inappropriate. In particular given that there is no concensus to use "Ireland (state)" as an appropriate label under WP:COMMONNAME. I would strong recommend (per Jayvdb) that you stop what you are doing, and open a discussion for the pages you are renaming, either on the talkpages for Ireland or Republic of Ireland or the talkpages of the articles themselves. This kind of unilateral action (without consideration to the previous discussions) is totally inappropriate. WP:BOLD is one thing. WP:CON would have expected that you'd have raised this SOMEWHERE before renaming THIRTY pages! Guliolopez (talk) 15:57, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

I agree I should have said something before moving the articles. But the name Ireland (state) is much more accurate than the description of the 'Republic Of Ireland'.Wikipéire (talk) 16:01, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

That's a position for which you'll have to gain consensus. I've reverted the pertinent changes to Ireland. Dppowell (talk) 16:25, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Per Dppowell, that "Ireland (state)" is "more accurate" is your opinion. And the fact that this is "your opinion" is precisely why you should have followed WP:CON. As it happens MY personal opinion is that "Republic of Ireland" is a naturally formed DAB term that meets WP:COMMONNAME. On the other hand, in my opinion, "Ireland (state)" is an awkward construct that provides for more confusion than clarity. As a quick test, ask someone what "Republic of Ireland" refers to, and most people will understand and explain quickly. Ask people what "Ireland (state)" refers to, and watch for the confusion as they try and correlate that term to any one of several possible meanings. Watch as they ask themselves does he mean: "Ireland" (the island), "Ireland" (the state), "Ireland" (any number of historical states and concepts), etc. Anyway, my original point remains. No matter what I think is most appropriate, or what you think is most appropriate, you should have referred to WP:CON before moving every single page that relates to the concept. Frankly I think they should all be moved back until this is discussed. Guliolopez (talk) 16:45, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Do not presume knowledge on the readers behalf. The fact is that 'Republic Of Ireland' has no official status - it is only used in the UK. The Republic of Ireland is in the constitution as a description to define the fact that its not a constitutal monarch country. Using Republic of Ireland would lead readers to incorrectly believe that that is the name of the country which its not. No matter how clumsy you think Ireland (state) is , it's much more accurate for a site like wikipedia to use.Wikipéire (talk) 17:02, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Please can you explain more why I have to get consensus for removing a colloquial name and putting in the official one. It is indeed pertinent, that is why I am trying to correct the article.Wikipéire (talk) 16:30, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

OK. Firstly, "colloquial name" is inaccurate. "Colloquial" means "informal" or "more suitable for speech than writing". This is not true. The term "Republic of Ireland" has FORMAL status under the constitution and is not some slang nickname or coloquialism. Secondly, if anything, the term "Ireland (state)" is ONLY suited to written communication, and has NO official status. (It's an awkwardly contrived and invented construct used purely to DAB from Ireland (the island).) Certainly "Ireland" has official status, but that's not what you've used. What you've done is invented your own term, and applied it to half the project without recourse to discussion. And finally (and I think I've asked you to do this when you were editting as an anon) if you're unfamiliar with the history on this, I'd recommend you go back and read the various previous discussions on why the existing compromise was reached. Guliolopez (talk) 16:45, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Because the nomenclature currently in use was not pulled out of a hat; it was arrived at after an extensive (and often difficult) series of community discussions. In my opinion, the change you're proposing has merits, but it's also liable to start an edit war. I'm the third person who's advised you to seek consensus before proceeding. Will you do so? Dppowell (talk) 16:52, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes I appreciate you not just undoing the edits and saying I have go through the proper channels to bring these effects into place. I will go about seeking consensus this evening. Again I just wish to provide more accurate articles.Wikipéire (talk) 17:02, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Blanking page

I'm sure it was probably an accident, but I must ask why you blanked a redirect page in this edit. Canterbury Tail talk 05:09, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

It was indeed an accident.Wikipéire (talk) 10:48, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Republic of Ireland

I have reverted the edits you made to Republic of Ireland about the physical border issue related to the Schengen Treaty. The sources you provided do not support the text you added. There is no mention in the sources of a physical border nor any reluctance on the part of the Irish government. There is disagreement about the two government's interpretation of Article 7A of the treaty and perhaps you will rewrite the text based on what the sources actually say. I think that your interpretation of the sourced provided cannot be considered as a NPOV. I don't like to butt heads here and will of course be happy to leave any accurately sourced edit you add because extra constructive edits are always welcome. Thanks for listening. Cheers ww2censor (talk) 15:48, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Responding from Republic of Ireland. Sorry, but anybody can edit/post pratically anywhere. GoodDay (talk) 22:17, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Ireland

Hello Wikipeire. Unless & until you can convince me, that the Irish Republic covers the 'entire' island? I'll have to disagree with you on that article. GoodDay (talk) 21:01, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

PS: You've breached 3RR, a blockable act. GoodDay (talk) 21:05, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

I was not aware of this rule. However if I have broken it, then rules are rules and feel free to block me for the designated time.Wikipéire (talk) 22:15, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

I'll let the Administrators decide on weither or not to block you. In short, 3RR means - an editor is limited to reverting the same edit '3' times within 24hrs (if he's breached that rule often, then he could be blocked for less then '3' per 24hrs). GoodDay (talk) 23:37, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Easter

I reverted your edit regarding Pascha. It is used by Eastern Orthodox churches as the name of Easter even in English. Grk1011 (talk) 19:56, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Moving articles

I have proposed that the articles “foreign relations of the Republic of Ireland; civil service of the Republic of Ireland and public service of the Republic of Ireland" be renamed in each case by deleting the words “the Republic of”. As you’ve previously discussed this issue, I thought you might wish to know that this is being discussed here. Very few have participated in the discussion so far. I'm not sure how widely the discussion forum is used. Redking7 (talk) 09:59, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

3RR

Hello,

A point of communication for the future: WP:3RR permits upto and including 3 reverts within 24 hours. No policy was breached. I would ask that you contribute to discussion and use edit summaries to comment on content rather than contributor. An explaination of the 3RR rule in the edit summary is not an explaination as to why you made that change.

I was actually working on ammending some uses around the Republic of Ireland as a way to achieve a compromise, but you conflicted with my changes and I've lost such an opportunity. Unlike the others, I've initiated discussion, cited policy and tried to acheive a consensus/compromise and would've preferred some recognition rather than a revert with an inaccurate summary of the situation. --Jza84 |  Talk  18:22, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Also (just a note for the future), you can't be banned for 3RR (), but blocked, temporarily. A ban on Misplaced Pages is indefinate. See Misplaced Pages:Blocking policy. Just wanted to make you aware of that distinction as a different editor may get enraged by such a claim.

I have also discussed my position explicitly too, whereas you, I note, have not, but instead reverted my changes and blocked me from working towards a compromise. Cheers, --Jza84 |  Talk  18:35, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

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Dubious?

Can you explain this edit please at Talk:Scotland. Your edit summary was not clear and doesn't reflect any kind of consensus. --Jza84 |  Talk  19:40, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

3RR warning on Scotland

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution. SFC9394 (talk) 11:32, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

In agreement with SFC; Edit-warring is the last thing the article needs. GoodDay (talk) 15:53, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

And please stop going the same way on the Wales page - use the talk page rather than making bold assertions about what is or is not allowed in the Misplaced Pages --Snowded (talk) 15:26, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Already beat you to it.Wikipéire (talk) 15:27, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Wales edits

Please stop trying to impose a Unionist agenda. Your comments on the language in your latest reversion are simply false. Acts of Parliament establish Wales as bilingual. The national anthem is played at all sporting events (including the Commonwealth games and elsewhere). You are also reverting issues on the map when it is under discussion - please engage in that discussion do not impose changes. --Snowded (talk) 20:27, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

I left your changes on Celtic Sea and the nations issue (others may disagree). However the other positions on the language etc. as you can see I disagree with you and have set out my reasons. Whatever this would be a LOT easier if you came to the discussion page first - please try for the sake of us all. I will look at your map suggestions. --Snowded (talk) 21:37, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

I think your overall edits on the Welsh Language are fair and balanced. I think it was pushing it a bit to change over the info box, but that is liveable with. There are enough arguments going on elsewhere! Lets see what people do with it. --Snowded (talk) 16:26, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

I have researched Wales Country or Nation and concluded that it's more likely to be a Nation. refs are on Wales talk pages as you advise. I have added Nation to article where appropriate, I don't believe it is mandatory to go to talk before changing things, particularly when I quoted evidence and citations. Canol (talk) 10:09, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

the suggested name change is going on here

For "constituent country" to become non-point of view "constituent area". We would like your oppinions :) Gozitancrabz (talk) 14:33, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Sorry I accidentally voted for the wrong thing when I was trying to vote on the Welsh Language thing. I was trying to say that I supported it being unofficial. Gozitancrabz (talk) 16:32, 27 April 2008 (UTC)