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The Beatles

Why is their nothing about the Beatles on this page? I understand that they have their own page but The Beatles were his launching pad and his most famous band.--72.16.114.224 23:04, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

I hope if this page is ever archived that we can leave this comment standing - it still cracks me up. Tvoz |talk 22:37, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

LOLLOLLOL! I'd missed this one! Deffo-should be left standin in BOLD Forever! Vera, Chuck & Dave 22:50, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Audio samples

I see in the to-do list that Wings and solo samples are needed. I could help with it. I recently uploaded samples of Maybe I'm Amazed and This One (they are in the albums articles). I am perfectly aware of that non-free media can't be abused, and I can't upload as many of them as I feel like, that's why I need suggestions about which else should be added and how many. Which could illustrate Paul's music career the best? For instance, to illustrate early Wings period, should it be Mary Had a Little lamb, Hi Hi Hi, C moon, Wild Life or ...? --Betty kerner (talk) 21:31, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm thinking you should probably include songs from his greatest hits albums. Try "Hi Hi Hi", "C Moon", "My Love"... you could do "Flaming Pie", "Driving Rain", "Ever Present Past", "Dance Tonight"... try some of the title songs from albums too (though "EPP" and "DT" aren't title tracks, MAF doesn't have one).GuitarWeeps (talk) 22:33, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

while/whilst

I've replaced "whilst" with "while" and been reverted. I thought I'd explain here. "Whilst" is considered archaic in American English. I understand and accept that it is apparently not considered archaic in British English.

However, "while" is correct in both American English and British English. It seems to me that, given a choice between a usage that is not grating to readers on either side of the Atlantic, and a usage that is grating to readers on one side, the choice that is non-grating to both should be preferred. This is what I tried to sum up in my pithy comment on the edit: Preferring "while" to "whilst"; "whilst" is archaic to US readers, but "while" is appropriate under both US and British English.

The revert commented only whilst last is quite ok in british english and mos resists such changes. I assume the MOS the reverter is referring to is WP:ENGVAR. I don't think that applies here. It would certainly apply if, for example, I was to change "colour" to "color." In British English, "colour" is correct and "color" is viewed as an Americanism. I myself have reverted such changes.

But the choice here is not between getting it wrong either in the US or UK; it's about getting a wording that works in both regions.

As a side note, I note that the style guides for two UK publications, the Times ("while (not whilst)") and the Guardian ("while/not whilst") prefer "while" to "whilst", so there's no question that "while" is acceptable in the UK, and at least in certain contexts, preferred. Similarly, my copy of Fowler's Modern English Usage says "while (or less commonly whilst)".

Given this, I propose to change back to "while," and will do so unless someone presents a compelling case for retaining "whilst." TJRC (talk) 21:06, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Please don't do that, there are hundreds of thousands of articles written in an American English dialect with usage that is considered obscure or indeed archaic to people outside of the US. There is no reason to start an edit war here. Jooler (talk) 21:08, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

If that's the case, that's a good reason to edit those articles to correct them. It is not a good reason to refrain from fixing it in other articles. I agree on avoiding the edit war; that's why, rather than reverting my revert, I took it to the talk page. TJRC (talk) 21:18, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

It's the suggestion that a change is a "fix" where we differ. "whilst" is perfectly acceptable in British English. The subject of this article is a British subject. MOS dictates that such changes as you propose are to be avoided. The same applies to those hundreds of thousands of American articles. Or do you propose that I and a legion of other British English speakers go about replacing the word "sidewalk" with "footpath" all over the place. Jooler (talk) 21:28, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Whilst he was waiting, and while he was in Jail.--andreasegde (talk) 12:19, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Let me ask this. What's the name of the language? Is it "American?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.163.138.12 (talk) 02:50, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Apart from not signing in, user 139.163.138.12 doesn't know that quotation marks are supposed to be at the beginning and at the end. "American??, for example. No, it's not American, it's English, you twerp, as The Beatles all learned how to speak, unlike you, buddy.--andreasegde (talk) 19:42, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Ultraviolet scissor flame

Ultraviolet scissor flame seems to be intent on chopping and hacking anything in his path, without any thought or care about the article. He started the Paul McCartney (solo) page, but did not add The Beatles template or more than one category. It has made a confused mess of the main page, as the 2000s are also on the solo page, but separated from the 1980s and 90s on this page by Classical music.

This user only attacks McCartney's articles and not the other Beatle-related articles, which is probably because of McCartney's Bond connection. (The user is deeply interested in all things Bond, BTW.) Plus: reverting the deletion of a McCartney impersonator photo (which obviously doesn't belong here) means only one thing: this user should be regarded as a vandal, and should be constantly reverted before he/she does more damage to this GA-rated article.--andreasegde (talk) 12:48, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Please calm down. You're banning Ultra from this topic for...not being sufficiently interested in non-Bond articles? Ultra should have been more careful, but this looks like a content dispute, not vandalism. If you really feel that Ultra's edits should be "constantly reverted", deal with it properly - but it doesn't look warranted to me, asking him to have a chat and reach a consensus first would be better. Bazzargh (talk) 16:18, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

The user has constantly hacked away at this article for months (resulting in one member of this Beatles' project leaving because of those actions, after we had all given a great deal of time to it) and has made no effort at all to standardise the article he/she created (Paul McCartney (solo)) which is a jumble, and will have to be rearranged, as will this article. The user is not interested in a 'chat', he/she just wants to cut this McCartney article to pieces, and doesn't care how. The mere fact of putting a (previously deleted) McCartney impersonator photo back in the "Business" section again shows his/her lack of caring. IMO, it was meant as an attack against McCartney personally. --andreasegde (talk) 16:47, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Ultraviolet scissor flame has just done it AGAIN, by adding more to the "Paul is Dead" section, but insisting this article is too long. The user obviously doesn't read this talk page, because the user is a vandal, (wants to believe that McCartney is dead) and doesn't give a faeces.--andreasegde (talk) 17:12, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

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