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Use of "Palestine"

Hi Gwen. Please try to avoid using the term "Palestine" in articles unless you are referring to pre-1948. As I noted in the edit summary, modern day usage of the term can be seen as POV, as it suggests recognition of the State of Palestine. Plus, even if it wasn't POV, the area described in the term Palestine includes Israel which is featured in a separate section in the article, so we need to be specific about which part of the region we're referring to (i.e. the territories). Thanks, пﮟოьεԻ 57 13:45, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Hey, thanks so much for writing me about this. I do understand. I think it's all PoV and rather daunting unless we find a way to decribe this in some neutral way: Palestine is not a country, but a geographical region. My take on State of Palestine is that it doesn't have enough diplomatic recognition to be used freely (all controversy implied). Occupied Palestinian Territories is too narrow, since the article clearly refers to wider geographical usage (regional Palestine). Palestinian territories leads to an article which looks to me like a fork of Israeli-occupied Territories. What can we do? Gwen Gale (talk) 13:51, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

I don't see a big problem with Palestinian territories - it's not seen as a POV term except by the extremes (Israelis who claim it's all Israel and Palestinians who claim the State exists or like to emphasise the "occupied" part) and it is probably the most commonly used term for the area. It's also one of the major links on {{Palestinians}}, which suggests that it's the recognised geopolitical entity for them. пﮟოьεԻ 57 13:58, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

My worry is that the article refers to cultural use of this food. I would like to skirt any political PoVs here, of any kind. Gwen Gale (talk) 14:01, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Following our other discussion on the article talk page, I've tried out the term Palestinian people. Gwen Gale (talk) 14:06, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

As a regular listener to the BBC World Service I often hear "Palestine" used to mean "Palestinian territories". I personally don't see any problem, but my view should be tempered by the fact I don't edit in that area of the encyclopaedia. Orderinchaos 05:10, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

You are now an administrator

Congratulations, I have just closed your RfA as successful and made you an administrator. Take a look at the administrators' how-to guide and the administrators' reading list if you haven't read those already. Also, the practice exercises at the new admin school may be useful. If you have any questions, get in touch on my talk page. WjBscribe 23:11, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations from me, Gwen Gale! I am very happy that you passed your RfA. Good luck with your new tools. Contact me, Antandrus, or any other admin if you need any help. Best wishes. Acalamari 23:13, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Ta! For everything! :) Gwen Gale (talk) 23:57, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

(ec) Congratulations!!! I was going to participate, but I guess I was too late. I had read through the RfA earlier and was going to look through your contribs. I had regretful feelings about my participation in your previous RfA and was hoping to support you this time. I loved the image you sent around with your RfA Thanks last time. I didn't realize it was so close to the time for your RfA to close or I would have hurried more! Anyway, I'm glad you succeeded! ☺ Coppertwig (talk) 23:17, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Haha thanks (so much)! I wondered where you were! Cheers. Gwen Gale (talk) 23:57, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations! As I said in your RfA, I have no doubt that you will be an excellent administrator! Feel free to give me a yell if you ever have any questions about your shiney new buttons. --Kralizec! (talk) 23:37, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Shall do and cheers for the support and the kind words :) Gwen Gale (talk) 23:57, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome for my nomination! Acalamari 01:40, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Well done! And thank the goddesses it wasn't unanimous - that should be a clear indication (to anyone that would doubt it) that you're for real! All the best! Pinkville (talk) 02:05, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Hey! You know... I was kinda thinkin' that meself! :) Thanks again! Gwen Gale (talk) 02:08, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

And here's this stupid song to comemorate the moment! Pinkville (talk) 03:37, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Haha! Heard it many times on the Pulp Fiction DVD but never seen the UO viddy. So reminds me of LA! :) Gwen Gale (talk) 06:25, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

The Urge Overkill version is pleasantly artful '70s cheese, but the original Neil Diamond is so very... creepy. Either way, it fits my image of LA, too. :~) Pinkville (talk) 19:43, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Congrats! Spencer 02:13, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Good luck. :) · AndonicO 02:45, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Cheers again for that! Gwen Gale (talk) 06:40, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

My congratulations too. Vishnava _talk 03:34, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks so much. All the best to you! Gwen Gale (talk) 06:40, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations! If you can spare the time, see if you can pick up a used copy of Misplaced Pages Administration for Dummies (any old edition will do). But it's easy really. Just try not to screw up and press the wrong button. And for hours of mindless and inoffensive amusement (in the short term), check people's lists of deleted contributions. (In the longer term, not so cheery: you'll gain a new insight into the depths of human vanity.) -- Hoary (talk) 03:43, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Hey, like all those old red user links on the watch list... Gwen Gale (talk) 06:40, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations -- best of luck -- and if I can be of any assistance, I'm at your service. Accounting4Taste:talk 03:57, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! Speaking of which, know any WP:RSs on Hummus? :) Gwen Gale (talk) 06:40, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Likewise--well done, and good luck! --jonny-mt 05:44, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Ta! Fit pic! Gwen Gale (talk) 06:40, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

• Welcome to the club - just don't start swinging it too hard from the start! LessHeard vanU (talk) 08:13, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations from a fellow n00b admin! Good luck, an don't go blocking Jimbo... weburiedoursecretsinthegarden 09:30, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Haha! Why does that always come up? So I was telling someone about this and to be pithy, told her that mossy one and she comes back with, "C'est qui Jimbo Wales?" Gwen Gale (talk) 19:40, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Go Gwen! ;-) Realist (Come Speak To Me) 14:57, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Realist2 ;) Gwen Gale (talk) 19:40, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Congrats! May you wield the mop and the flamethrower with grace and equanimity. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 17:47, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Ta y'all! Meanwhile, could someone review these speedy deletions and tell me if I've botched anything yet? Gwen Gale (talk) 17:55, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Grats. And you'll do fine with those speedies ;) - Revolving Bugbear 20:16, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, yeah, only there was this brief worry about the sky fallin' in on me or something the first few times I hit the delete button ;) Gwen Gale (talk) 20:39, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Just wait until you hit the "block" button for the first time... Acalamari 21:04, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Ouch. I've done one (AIV). Please have a look. :/ Gwen Gale (talk) 21:39, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Something tells me this block is ok. Gwen Gale (talk) 22:19, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Good one. :) Acalamari 23:30, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations, my friend! Postoak (talk) 23:54, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Good news ... I just now got back from my trip, and this was the first thing I checked, and all is well.  :) I'm quite certain you will be not only competent at adminning but superb at it, and frankly I was honored to be able to co-nominate you. All the best! Antandrus (talk) 03:28, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks so much for the wonderful nominating words! Now I have to live up to them, but you knew that! ;) Cheers! Gwen Gale (talk) 12:26, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Good luck to you

I sincerely hope I'm wrong about you, and that you've truly changed since the fiasco at the AL page. You have my best wishes. BobTheTomato (MrWhich) (talk) 05:34, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Gwen Gale (talk) 06:16, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

You're a CND supporter too? All good, congratulations from dave souza, talk 09:36, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Gwen!

Gwen,

Thank you, I happened to be following the actions of User:Eurovisionman and his clones, which are most amusing to me, even if annoying and downright disruptive to Misplaced Pages.

In case you have excessive spare time, I invite you to explore the wonderful world of Isis Gee vandalism :D

Kind regards,

PrinceGloria (talk) 20:29, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Eek! (wonderful world of Isis Gee vandalism) :) Cheers! Gwen Gale (talk) 20:37, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Sant Sri Asaramji Ashram

It's borderline, isn't it. Gwen Gale (talk) 21:14, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Indeed, borderline delete, borderline keep. The version i tagged contained no external source at all, and the wording was promotional, but i agree, even then it was borderline. Seeing the AFD was a G12 it does not really matter now, as it seems the article was rewritten. Personally i believe it needs some external sources and a little less promotional wording, but i think it is good for now. I have seen worse, and i have also seen what over agressive tagging can cause to potentially good articles. Seeing the improvement, i fully support your decline decision now :) Excirial 21:24, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Regarding the Iranian opposition movement (People's Mujahedin of Iran)

Regarding the Iranian opposition movement PMOI : Dear Gwen, With all respect, instead of locking the version favourable to those "users" who are hostile to this group, you should have left the previous versions which included the court verdicts which have annulled the terrorist designation of PMOI. This would have been more balanced. Now "they" are quite happy. This is also a dispute which can not be resolved like this because the Iranian government is very active and focused on this group and internet, including this Misplaced Pages, is a useful tool to attack and spread misinformation. Sincerely, Tom —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tom davy (talk • contribs) 23:38, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

No version is favoured. I protected the page in the version I found it in. Also, that information is in the article, here. So far as I can gather, the disagreement has been over whether to put it in into the article header. Since you have been unwilling to discuss this on the article talk page, I would like to suggest that you please start doing so now and find a way to resolve this. It may be that you've been putting too much about this in the header. Hopefully you can talk about it on the talk page and agree to some wording. Meanwhile the page has been protected to stop all of you from reverting back and forth. Gwen Gale (talk) 23:48, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Um...

My name is not Matilda. :-) miranda 01:35, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm so sorry! I was so tired and had lately interacted with Matilda! Thanks for trying to put the icon up, I do like it overlapped with the heart :) Gwen Gale (talk) 01:37, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

lucky bucket

i feel that my article "Lucky bucket" was unfairly deleted, if you are not used to bucketing it is not fair to deny the rest of the world information about it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tubbylover (talk • contribs) 01:38, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, but without a shred of confirmation to be found, it looked like a hoax to me. Gwen Gale (talk) 01:46, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Lucky bucket 2

but how does one confirm such a thing???Tubbylover (talk) 01:56, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

If I could ask a favor . . .

An editor has removed a speedy tag from the article No Harm Day several times. He created the article himself and I have restored the tag. However, I don't know if I can revert it again, as I may possibly violate WP:3RR. Could you take a look? Thanks! TN‑X-Man 02:01, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Actually, another editor just deleted the article. However, I'm still curious. Could I still revert his edit to replace the speedy tag or is that a no-go according to WP:3RR? TN‑X-Man 02:03, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Only if the original creator of the article was rm'ing the speedy tag, it wouldn't be 3rr. Cheers! Gwen Gale (talk) 02:07, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Bernstein Award

Hello Gwen,

My page was deleted for some obvious reasons. Is there anyone who can help me post a page, I've been reading about the wikipedia instructions all day and I haven't gotten very far understanding the process.

Many Thanks, katann —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stonepony (talk • contribs) 03:48, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi Kataan, I've put some helpful links on your page. Please feel free to ask me questions though. All the best. Gwen Gale (talk) 03:51, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Deletion of The weather in London

Hello. You deleted The weather in London today. Can you explain why? --- RockMFR 03:55, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

It was tagged WP:CSD as a highly improbably redirect. Gwen Gale (talk) 03:56, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Would you be willing to restore it? --- RockMFR 03:57, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Why? Gwen Gale (talk) 03:58, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Because it is not an improbable redirect (a criterion which is usually used for extremely clear-cut cases). --- RockMFR 03:59, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Someone else thought it was improbable, so did I but I've put it back. Gwen Gale (talk) 04:02, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations

Congratulations on your adminship. Corvus cornix_talk 04:22, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Hey! Thanks. You can see the trails of my CSD deletions today :) Gwen Gale (talk) 04:23, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Mark Hanau

Congratulations on your admin promotion. One quick heads up. You deleted Mark Hanau as a A1 speedy today. It was blanked by the creator and thus had no context, but it has been edited significantly by others and has a good deal of content. The situation is a mess with a whole slew issues sock puppets, autobiography and off site vendettas spilling over. I don't know anything about the subject, but have been monitoring it. You might want to bring this up at WP:ANI and the article should probably be undeleted as it didn't fit an speedy deletion categories. Let me know if you need any help. --Daniel J. Leivick (talk) 05:04, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for telling me. I put it back and will watch it. Gwen Gale (talk) 05:11, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

What a canny mess. I've posted it to ANI. Gwen Gale (talk) 06:14, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Yep it is ugly, I almost didn't mention it to you as I thought it might be better off deleted. I have seen a lot of articles on marginally notable figures devolve into battles between the subject and his or her online enemies. It can be tough because there might not be anyone here with any knowledge on the subject who can step in and source this train wreck out. --Daniel J. Leivick (talk) 06:20, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

As it happens, I know a bit about the Relfs. However, if there are socks, BLP and COI all wrapped up together, those'll have to be sorted out first, what a tangle. Gwen Gale (talk) 06:24, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

No more tangles. Gwen Gale (talk) 06:59, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. This is best. I have fought the vendetta people but they will never give up (they have hounded me for years now). The article was being changed into something that in no way reflected my life and the whole thing was just upsetting me. If Misplaced Pages editors had been fair, these one topic editors would have been blocked but that never happened. It is great to have it over with. Aimulti (talk) 07:38, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Article deletion

Why did you delete the Pop-tarts hide and seek article. Make that MY article! Do you know how much time I spent on that?

Would you like a copy of it? Gwen Gale (talk) 12:52, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Sure. User:Poptarts12 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.170.100.124 (talk) 12:54, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I've retrieved a copy of the last version but you'll either need to enable email for your account or email me (see menu at left) and I'll send it on to you. Cheers. Gwen Gale (talk) 13:02, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Oops, the mail server for my email is down this morning. You'll have to enable email, or wait until I get yours (could be a few hours). Gwen Gale (talk) 13:04, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

The Quit

I didn't mean my AFD as a complaint -- I respect that as an admin, you made a call. That's why I didn't come complain about the decision. I just moved on to the next step. I did think it was relevant to explain that speedy was declined and to be persuasive in my statement as to why I thought the article merited deletion. Thanks for what you do for the project. Erechtheus (talk) 15:22, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Hey. I knew you were ok about going along with it. I thought the article was so borderline when I declined the speedy, but it was the most notable sounding band I'd seen in the batch so far. When one is going through a backlog deleting dozens of tagged pages, one wants to be fair as can be and save what one can, ray of hope. Your later comments on the AfD nudged me to rethink the lacks, is all, no worries in the least. Cheers! Gwen Gale (talk) 15:33, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Foreign Policy Foundation

This article was already speedy-deleted as blatant advertising, then it was reposted with virtually no changes. Why does it not qualify for speedy-deletion again? I think your action was in error. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 16:44, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

That was a mistake, it's not blatant advertising (spam). Please feel more than free to send it to AfD though (or WP:PROD). Gwen Gale (talk) 16:49, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Westover ARB

I was actually hoping that someone would not notice that it was the name of the base. I'm trying to move a page into it's spot and I didn't feel like last night going through all the beaurucratic details first. Good call. Kevin Rutherford 18:24, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Jordan Reed

meh it was a joke —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mcquaidem (talk • contribs) 02:11, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Don't Go In The House

Hi Gwen - I restored this article and was working on it when you re-deleted it. The fim does exist; the original stub for it was just pathetically written. Grutness...wha? 02:27, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

ahh - skip that. I've just discovered an article on it already exists with a different capitalisation, so i've turned it into a redirect. Grutness...wha? 02:36, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

That fits, I believe I deleted two spellings of that, both with short, shredded text. Thanks for letting me know you straightened it out! Gwen Gale (talk) 02:44, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Deletion

Missed the talk page on this one: Talk:Azwel.  Frank  |  talk  03:57, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. (Cheers :) Gwen Gale (talk) 03:58, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Sextronica

Hi, again. I hope you are enjoying your new tools. You recently declined a CSD A7 {{db-band}} added by User:Eastlaw and I'm not sure why. A SPA, User:Empyreandreams created the article, and it does not indicate the importance or significance of the subject. It contains nothing but a spam link to a personal website for an unknown band. In fact, the content of the article is at odds with the subject, and appears to be nonsense/OR. Perhaps Eastlaw used the wrong tag, but if you read the content and visit the link, you'll see that this clearly meets the criteria for speedy deletion. Viriditas (talk) 07:35, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Hey Viriditas! Sextronica is not a band, it's a genre or style. There is no speedy deletion category for this kind of topic. If there is spam in the article, you can rm it. My decline of a speedy deletion shouldn't be seen as my take on whether or not the article should be kept, only the means by which it might be deleted. If you think the topic isn't notable, please send it through either WP:PROD or WP:AFD. If you like, I'll do either for you. Cheers! Gwen Gale (talk) 07:38, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

I know it is confusing, but read the article again, Gwen. It's not about the genre, but about a band named "Sextronica". The author is hiding behind an alleged "genre" and appears to be having fun at your expense, as the infobox field "Years active 1992–present" seems to indicate his birth date! Viriditas (talk) 07:41, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Sextronica is a form of electronic music that combines electronica with a sensual overton... Various electronica artists have produced songs that would fall into this subgenre of electronica category. That says genre, tag said band, I declined. However, a quick Google search and follow up on what you're saying makes me think this should have been tagged as a hoax (genre). Also, I know it's daunting to think of, but some editors have been known to put misleading speedy tags on articles, so they can skirt an AfD or prod which is bound to be a keep (see below). Anyway, thanks for nudgin' me ;) Gwen Gale (talk) 07:46, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi Gwen,

I recently tried to put up a page for the music band Sextronica. It does exist and is really not a hoax, I really do link to real websites of the artist with real music on them. I think my site was initially deleted on a fallacy that Sextronica does not exist, when it does. I recreated the page and once again, it is deleted as if I am trying to play a hoax. Can you please reconsider so the page can be accessed again as it was? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Empyreandreams (talk • contribs) 15:37, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi. Thanks for asking about this. Please let me try and explain what has happened. I know it can be a bit daunting to understand how things work here. An article on Misplaced Pages is not your site, but an encyclopedia article and Misplaced Pages has rather high standards for the inclusion of bands in its article space. The article was not deleted because anyone thinks Sextronica the band is a hoax. However, the deleted article text had been crafted in a way which could lead one to think the article was about a musical genre, yet the article linked to a musical project by the same name. It's rather clear this was a hoax (or ploy, no need to dwell on that, there are no hard feelings) to skirt Misplaced Pages's notability guidelines for bands. This is to say, since the article was indeed about an exisiting band (not a genre) it has now been deleted thrice and protected from recreation.

The only way Sextronica could have an article here (under any name), put pithily, would be if the project gets wide and independent coverage from reliable, independent sources, or a record deal with a major label (this can be a big, verifiable independent record comapny with notable artists), or if a notable musician joins the band. Please keep in mind, any of these things would have to be reported by verifiable independent sources, not the band or an editor of the article and would be subject to consensus of Misplaced Pages editors. In other words, you have to get "famous" first. Misplaced Pages, as a tertiary reference source (an encyclopedia), can't help you become famous. Lastly, there is a worry about conflict of interest. If you are part of the project, you shouldn't be editing an article about it here, but wait for others to find sources on it and do it for you (one can still edit an article about oneself but some editors don't welcome this at all and either way, Misplaced Pages policies must be very closely followed).

This also means if your project grows more notable and there are independent sources to cite, there will be nothing to stop putting an article about it here, editors will be more than happy to support it. Cheers, Gwen Gale (talk) 15:56, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Teutonic takeover of Danzig

Regarding your remark at Teutonic takeover of Danzig "(speedy declined, this is a helpful redirect, try RfD)": This is not only a "helpful redirect", it is the original and proper article title, which is "salted" after move wars, done in violation of the Gdansk/Danzig vote policy ("use the name Danzig between 1308 and 1945"). See Talk:Teutonic takeover of Gdańsk, and especially its history. The article needs to be restored at its original title, Teutonic takeover of Danzig. Thanks in advance -- Matthead  Discuß   08:11, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Yep and come to think of it, I remember seeing the Gdansk/Danzig vote somewhere. Gwen Gale (talk) 08:14, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

See Template:Gdansk-Vote-Notice. Please compare this remark before to that taunting remark after the two users in question have succeeded to push the article where they like it to have. Is that the way to do it? BTW; the events took place in 1308, and Poland was barely involved: The Polish King called in the Teutonic Knights to solve the matter. Which they did. The city was also known as Danzig, or variants thereof (Danceke, Dantzike), well before 1308, so the part "use the name Gdańsk before 1308" is doubtful (especially with the diacritic), yet current policy. Anyway, this is about 1308 and later, and out policy was (and currently is) violated by the moves. Please restore the article name. And move protect it, also, just in case. -- Matthead  Discuß   09:28, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Can you cite the Danzig/Gdansk vote (diff) here for me please? Thanks. Gwen Gale (talk) 09:34, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

This page is affected by the Gdańsk (Danzig) Vote. The following rules apply in the case of disputes: For Gdańsk, use the name Danzig between 1308 and 1945 For Gdańsk, use the name Gdańsk before 1308 and after 1945 In biographies of clearly German persons, the name should be used in the form Danzig (Gdańsk) and later Danzig exclusively In biographies of clearly Polish persons, the name should be used in the form Gdańsk (Danzig) and later Gdańsk exclusively. For Gdansk and other locations that share a history between Germany and Poland, the first reference of one name in an article should also include a reference to other names, e.g. Danzig (now Gdańsk, Poland) or Gdańsk (Danzig). An English language reference that primarily uses this name should be provided on the talk page if a dispute arises. Reverts to conform with community consensus are excluded from the three-revert rule (3RR). Only the place names can be reverted exempt from the 3RR according to the outcome of this vote, additional changes fall again under the 3RR. Please use descriptive edit summaries. Persistent reverts against community consensus despite multiple warnings may be dealt with according to the rules in Misplaced Pages:Dealing with vandalism. In case of doubt, assume good faith and do not bite newcomers. The detailed vote results and the vote itself can be found on Talk:Gdansk/Vote. This vote has ended; please do not vote anymore. Comments and discussions can be added to Talk:Gdansk/Vote/discussion anytime. This template {{Gdansk-Vote-Notice}} can be added on the talk page of affected articles if necessary.

The Danzig vote ruled that from the foundation of the city to the Teutonic takeover in 1308 the city will be referred to as "Gdańsk". From that point up to the end of WW II (even for the periods of time when the city was a part of Poland again 1466 - 1792) it will be referred to as "Danzig". The vote itself has only a date "1308" and that's the only base of my prestigious colleague's argumentation. Here we can't go by the letter, we have to go by the spirit and common sense. Teutonic Knights invaded GDAŃSK and from then on it is known as Danzig. What he proposes is like calling the city Gdańsk on January 1st 1945, while it returned to Poland in March 1945. We have to use common sense on this one. Sincerely, Space Cadet (talk) 13:19, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

I know, how bout we call it Dantown-by-the-Sea, erm, until someone can cite the diff for that vote? Gwen Gale (talk) 13:39, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

No diff needed, we have a whole Template:Gdansk-Vote-Notice as added above, hard to miss. Gdansk only before(!) 1308, while the article is about events in 1308. No brainer for Danzig according vote policy. Anyway, this in not a simple German-Polish conflict, it had at least two parties within the city (the city proper with German merchants had already German Lübeck law for decades, and the castle with the Pommeranian administration), and three outside, Brandenburg, Polish Crown, Teutonic Knights. Besides, the Knights did not invade, they were called in by local administration and the Polish King, and repelled the Brandenburgers who laid siege to it. As they were not paid for their services, they stayed, and suppressed the German merchants, which were competitors. So, Gwen, please judge for yourself who is mistating facts, both Wiki policy and history.-- Matthead  Discuß   14:14, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. The language looks rather straightforward to me: VOTE: Period from 1308 to 1454 (with the previous period clearly stated as Period before 1308), Votes for Danzig: 54-7. 1308, as far as I know, started on 1 Jan, the article describes something which happened on 13 November 1308 and unless we're forgetting about the vote, we've been calling the town Danzig for over 10 months, so are there any comments (flames, threats of RfARs, questions about my intelligence/reading skills/sanity, hints of barnstars, heavy foreboding silence) before I go all WP:IAR-WP:BOLD and change this to Danzig as an uninvolved admin? :) Gwen Gale (talk) 14:24, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Before 1308 clearly means before the Teutonic takeover of GDAŃSK, as it used to be called before the invasion. How could it not have been an invasion if almost entire population was slaughtered? Space Cadet (talk) 16:10, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

The vote says it's Danzig from (implicitly 1 Jan) 1308 and says nothing that I can see about before the Teutonic takeover. Going by the vote, Misplaced Pages articles call this city Danzig during every month in 1308. Are you asking that the vote be ignored? Gwen Gale (talk) 16:15, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Then please be consistent and adjust all articles that call the city "Gdańsk" after March 1945 and before January 1st 1946, if you want to go by the letter rather than by the spirit of the law. It will lack common sense, but what the hey. Space Cadet (talk) 16:35, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Keeping in mind we can't cite worries found in other articles to support content in this one, ok, you're saying that it'd be lacking common sense to follow the guideline given by the vote. I think though, since 54 editors made themselves very clear back then, that it would be Danzig for all of 1308, one might also say it's common sense to follow the vote, since it was taken to deal with disagreements like this (and given all the edit warring which has gone on over these names). Gwen Gale (talk) 16:45, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

It would probably be interesting to you to review the discussions associated with the vote, so that you can clearly understand the reasons behind picking the date 1308 (I don't see January 1st mentioned in the vote either). Also you might want to contact the Vote manger and creator User:Chris 73. See, the date 1308 wasn't just picked by random but clearly as the date of the Teutonic takeover of the city. The Order didn't invade Danzig but Gdańsk, which henceforth has been known as Danzig. I was one of the voters, I remember their comments and discussion and 1308 meant not January 1st but "a certain date in 1308". What date? The date of the takeover. Truth, Logic and Common Sense. Space Cadet (talk) 17:47, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Matthead, after looking over the long, edit warred history of this, I don't see how a title change by an admin would fix anything. Moreover, although I think, one way or another, that your request the Danzig redirect be speedy deleted was in good faith, I'm worried it may have strayed a bit from WP:Point. The redirect is helpful, uncontroversial and cheap. Gwen Gale (talk) 18:06, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Gwen, are you easily impressed by relentless filibustering? The article was created at Teutonic takeover of Danzig, with very good reasons, according to the vote policy, and according to history, as the city was also known as Danzig (Danceke, Dantzike, etc.) decades before 1308. After controversial moves, Status quo ante has to be restored, either by a move back by an admin, or by deletion of the salted redirect, after which any user can move the article there again. SpaceCadet and Piotrus pushed through their POV by moving the article to double names and finally to the current, single Polish name which contradicts policy and history (that is covered in the article, I'm sick of witnessing false claims being repeated everywhere). Gwen, thank you for not denying outright that my request is in good faith - please assess the faith of the two users who pushed the article around. Anyway, the cheap redirects are the ones containing Gdansk, and they need to (WP:)point to the proper title, Teutonic takeover of Danzig. Thank you for investing too much time already. -- Matthead  Discuß   10:40, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

After getting more feedback on the history of this I've moved the article to Teutonic takeover of Danzig (Gdańsk). The vote overwhelmingly supports the name Danzig in 1308 and the reason for putting (Gdańsk) in the title along with it should also be clear. I've move protected the page. I did not move the talk pages, pending suggestions. I can take care of those either later today, or any admin is welcome to handle it. Gwen Gale (talk) 12:45, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Islamofascism

Please reconsider your rejection of the article Islamofascism

I'm sorry but the article doesn't fall into any available category of speedy deletion. Please stop adding the tag. Gwen Gale (talk) 09:24, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

WP:CSD#G4

Hi, and congratulations on your recent addition to the ranks of tool users. Welcome to the world of endless backlog. :D I just wanted to drop a note to let you know in case you didn't that WP:CSD#G4 only applies to material that has been deleted following deletion debate; it would not apply articles that have been speedily deleted or PRODdes, although of course the original conditions that led to deletion might. I note that you've tagged a couple that way: Most Reverend Jeffrey Driver, Populaire Group and Sextronica and just wanted to point it out, as I don't see any sign that they have been deleted following deletion debate. :) Again, congratulations. As overwhelming as deletion backlog can be, we need all the help we can get! --Moonriddengirl 15:53, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for telling me! :) Gwen Gale (talk) 15:59, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Final Drive

You very recently deleted Final Drive as a G5 deletion. I think, however, that a decent article could be made out of it. Could you please userfy it for me to User:Lifebaka/Sandbox/Final Drive? Thank you. --lifebaka (Talk - Contribs) 16:43, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

I have emailed you the last complete version of the article. Cheers. Gwen Gale (talk) 16:47, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

I looked around, but I couldn't find anything that would establish notability or meet the requirements at WP:BAND. Guess that one's a lost cause, sadly. As a side note, the stuff about the appearance on MTV's Battle for Ozzfest is only about a single former member of the band and not the whole thing. Anyways, thanks for sending it to me. Happy admin-ing! --lifebaka (Talk - Contribs) 02:56, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm not startled to hear that about the MTV name-drop. Sorry you couldn't save it though :/ Gwen Gale (talk) 03:01, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Mike Hiratzka

Mike Hiratzka has been linked in a few other wikipedia articles and I was simply trying to put more information out there. He is linked to Kristy Thirsk and D:Fuse as he collaborates musically with both of them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Terramichelle1221 (talk • contribs) 18:52, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

It's ok if he's listed in other articles but this article was speedy deleted because it didn't assert the topic's notability to Misplaced Pages's standards for music projects. Gwen Gale (talk) 18:54, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

And where might I find more information about Misplaced Pages's standard for music projects?

Misplaced Pages:Notability (music). Gwen Gale (talk) 19:12, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Tasty Space

Uh, Gwen, I recently put up an article entitled "tasty space" explaining a very valid point and scientific knowledge. I had no sources because the theory was newly devolped (Like, last thursday)but the article made plenty of sense in the opinions of my advisory and I. Then, you deleted the article in less than a minute. And for this reason, i request that you put it back up (if you can) --Flipman jones (talk) 18:58, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi. Yeah, editors here are rather keen at spotting codswallop pranks like that one. Have fun, but please stop adding unhelpful content to Misplaced Pages. Would you like a copy of it? All the best, Gwen Gale (talk) 19:02, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

38 lemon

FYI - you keep deleting my entry "before" it is posted, as there is not enough "context". Please read my post, as I think there may be enough context in the entry? Thanks (Rrr.lewis (talk) 19:19, 27 May 2008 (UTC))

You can't create an article with no meaningful content. Gwen Gale (talk) 19:20, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Deleting article

May I ask why you deleted the article on Meriol Trevor? You did so while I was actually writing it, in fact. Something about a 'real person'? Sorry, but I really don't understand why you did this. Roger Pearse 19:22, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

It can be daunting to understand how things work here sometimes. Someone tagged it for speedy deletion, indicating it had no assertion of notability and I saw none. Seeing the finished stub, I don't think being a prolific author is notable in itself and the cited work looks very thin so far but let's see what other editors think. All the best. Gwen Gale (talk) 19:36, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Gwen, I see you have become pretty delete-happy. You may want to review WP:CSD. "An article about a real person, organization (band, club, company, etc.), or web content that does not indicate why its subject is important or significant. This is distinct from questions of verifiability and reliability of sources, and is a lower standard than notability; to avoid speedy deletion an article does not have to prove that its subject is notable, just give a reasonable indication of why it might be notable." (My emphasis) --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 20:09, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your input but truly, the texts of the articles I've deleted haven't indicated their significance following our notability standards (nor, do I think, did the one below and at least one editor agrees with me). I've declined quite a few of these speedies so I don't think I agree with your take, but I understand how you might feel that way when an article you're interested in gets redlinked so fast. I was happy to restore it following your request (I was about to do so when I noticed you'd already posted a dreview) and I do hope it can be made into an encyclopedic article. Cheers! Gwen Gale (talk) 20:39, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Well, I only had a look at this one (Meriol Trevor), so I could get a sense of other articles you'd deleted, and because the discussion was right above the discussion of the one that I'd written. And I was certainly surprised you'd deleted it. But no, I haven't reviewed all your deletions, nor do I feel the need to do so! --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 20:43, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Yeah and you know, the only stuff you'll see here are articles all kinds of editors are understandably asking after but still a tiny fraction, so it's hardly a meaningful sample. I don't think Meriol Trevor asserts notability ("prolific" is not enough), nor did the editor who tagged the article. However, the assertion was close enough to borderline that following a polite request (which shows some willingness from an editor to keep working on it) I had no worries about restoring the article, hoping that it might soon show itself as encyclopedic. If Meriol Trevor doesn't grow, it will very likely be tagged again by yet another editor. Gwen Gale (talk) 20:57, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. I'm not sure that I entirely understand, I have to say. Are we saying that pages on obscure subjects are now being deleted because the page has only got a small amount of info? That sounds rather strange -- surely something rather than nothing is good? Or do we not want pages created unless they are essays?

Meriol Trevor: I don't actually know much about her! I discovered that she wrote oodles of stuff, and that I'd read as a child one of her novels. Naturally I wondered who she was, and found she was apparently well-known in at least some circles of English Roman Catholicism. Having found out that little, I digested it and stuffed it into Misplaced Pages. With luck others will know more and add more, or so I thought.

Isn't any published author worth giving some info about? My motivation was that I wanted to know something; I presumed, ignorantly, that I wouldn't be alone in that. I contributed what I had. I'm sorry if it didn't meet some minimum standard, below which any page will be deleted. Can anyone tell me where that standard is laid out? You see, I don't want to waste time writing stuff that will just vanish. (Perhaps these rules should be displayed when you try to create a new page?) Roger Pearse 23:56, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

See Misplaced Pages:Notability_(people)#Creative_professionals for the policy. The main thing is that the person be widely noted by independent sources, or done something which has been noted as significant by reliable independent sources. Meanwhile the article's online (link's above). All the best. Gwen Gale (talk) 00:02, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Peter Wall Institute for Advanced Studies

Hi. I'm very surprised you chose to speedy-delete this article. I hope you reconsider. It clearly wasn't a candidate for a speedy. --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 19:49, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for restoring it. --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 20:13, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Happy to help out. Gwen Gale (talk) 20:17, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Deletion review for Peter Wall Institute for Advanced Studies

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Peter Wall Institute for Advanced Studies. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article, speedy-deleted it, or were otherwise interested in the article, you might want to participate in the deletion review. jbmurray (talk • contribs) 19:54, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

So...

...are you enjoying the mop? Looks like a bit of a thankless job from the outside :-)  Frank  |  talk  19:59, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Hey Frank! Maybe, but I don't mind takin' the blame :) Gwen Gale (talk) 20:59, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

VSTEP deletion

Hi Gwen,

Thank you for removing the proposal for speedy deletion on VSTEP, yet you say that an AfD might be fitting.
Would you mind telling me what is exactly the problem there seems to be with this article?

Thanks.

Cheers GameLegend (talk) 20:08, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

There are no independent sources to support the article's content and if these can't be found, it'll be an AfD candidate. However, it was never a speedy, the tag was good faith but mistaken. Gwen Gale (talk) 20:42, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Absolutely right, says the dummy who tagged it in the first place. It was in good faith, but I think I must have just overlooked the fairly obvious assertion of notability, and I'm delighted that you and your brand new mop caught it where I didn't. I didn't care to take the article through AfD, probably out of lingering guilt <grin> but I agree with you, there's no reliable sources. Thanks for your scrupulous eagle eye! Accounting4Taste:talk 20:47, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Hey! I'd never heard of them either ;) Gwen Gale (talk) 21:00, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Partially can't blame you, since serious games is not really that well-known to the public, but in it's context, it's quite well-known.

Being what it is -one of Europe's biggest serious game developers- there'll be plenty of reliable sources. While I did not specifically notice that statement in the media, it's good faith on their own statement for now, the company's gotten plenty of media attention (here in the Netherlands). Just give me/other editors some time to expand the article.

Thanks for your answer though.

Cheers GameLegend (talk) 21:02, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Oh yeah, I mean, that's why I zapped the tag, not the article! Cheers back and happy sourcing :D Gwen Gale (talk) 21:05, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Deletion of Article

Why was my Article on Heart Hope Help deleted, it seamed to fulfill the criteria for an article for me. It is a British Chiarty which works hard to improve the lives of others. it is a regested charity and the article was to inform not to selfpromote. I am independent as I have not and am not working for or with the charity .

could you please restore the Article Thanks (ARBAY (talk) 22:00, 27 May 2008 (UTC))

Hi. Not all charity organizations are encyclopedic topics. Please have a look at Misplaced Pages:Notability (organizations and companies), which explains Misplaced Pages's notability standards. For example, if the organization hasn't gotten wide, independent coverage on its activities, editors will likely not support keeping it. Please do feel free to ask me questions as needed. Gwen Gale (talk) 22:06, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

i was finding more information when it got deleted for example showing the Notability of the organization, the problem is that the Charity does not spend its money on publicity but it is mentioned in conjunction with other Chernobyl charities and the work it does is notable so could it be restored? thankyou —Preceding unsigned comment added by ARBAY (talk • contribs) 22:31, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but that URL doesn't show evidence of signficant, wide and independent coverage from reliable sources as described here. You can try recreating the article with a simple assertion that this charity is notable and significant, but without independent sources to support this, an editor will likely nominate the article for deletion. Gwen Gale (talk) 22:37, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

okay i will do that setup a Sandbox ] could you possibly put the article you deleted there, and i will rewrite and would it be okay to ask you once i have rewritten if you think it is Notable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ARBAY (talk • contribs) 22:44, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Please keep in mind, it's not up to me. I'm only one among many here. However, I'll be happy to look at it for you. I'll userfy the deleted text now. Gwen Gale (talk) 22:56, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Thankyou !!!!  :-]]xD —Preceding unsigned comment added by ARBAY (talk • contribs) 23:00, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Park Center Marching Band

Hey, I noticed that you had just deleted Park Center Marching Band; well it's back again. I'm not sure if it's still valid for the same speedy deletion criteria, but I thought I'd let you know! --/Mendaliv//_Δ's/ 22:14, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

A7, salted for a month. Thanks. Gwen Gale (talk) 22:16, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Why did you delete my page of Park Center Marching Band? I didn't have time to make it "significant" because you deleted it so fast. Please explain why it was deleted, I am new to wikipedia, and I just am trying to learn. Tell me what i did wrong.

I was basing the page off of this page. Park Center Marching Band is on the same level as this band, why do they get an article but I cannot?

http://en.wikipedia.org/Waconia_marching_band

Thanks

Hi. I know this can be a bit bewildering. However, the article didn't contain anything about the significance or encyclopedic importance of this band. Please see Misplaced Pages:Notability (music) for information about Misplaced Pages's inclusion standards. As for other articles, please see this help page called WP:WAX. Gwen Gale (talk) 22:21, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

How do I create a page and make it significant before its deleted? I mean, it was deleted within five seconds of being created...

Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xcskimonster (talk • contribs) 22:25, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

I've made a sandbox for you in your user space. Read my note there. Gwen Gale (talk) 22:29, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Jim Murray - Trumpet - Canada

I'm not sure why you have deleted my page. I had references to sources crediting his work. There are other pages with much less information and far less creditable people that are floating around out there. I'm not sure what else you want. I've read all your pages on creating a page and don't see that there was any reason for deleting mine. Someone put that it was blatent advertising... How is that?? I'm trying to get recognition for some talent that isn't only US based. I was basing my page on one I saw of Wayne Bergeron that contains nothing but two website listings. Mine has far more information. Melissaamberko (talk) 22:35, 27 May 2008 (UTC)melissaamberko

I speedy deleted it first, then another editor speedy deleted the article after you recreated it. It's also been tagged for speedy deletion by one or two other editors. Please see Misplaced Pages:Notability (music) for some help on learning why this article was likely deleted. Moreover, if you are the topic of the article, you should have a look at our conflict of interest policy. Lastly, the help page WP:WAX might help you understand why we can't compare this article to other articles you may have seen. Gwen Gale (talk) 22:42, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Please email me a copy please. And, I am NOT the topic of this article. I just thought that of the millions of pages (a lot that seem to be junk) that someone might take the time to not delete articles even before they are finished. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Melissaamberko (talk • contribs) 22:46, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

New articles attract much more attention. Editors will eventually stumble across the older ones though. Please check your email in a few minutes. Gwen Gale (talk) 22:50, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

u suck

u deleted my article that describes what a knucklehead is i used good grammer and vocab just lyke my teecher teels me i do and then u delete my artilce. u suck.... poop. get a reel liffe enstad of patroling wikipedia all day long you nerd freak. GET A JOB U HIPPY

Yeah I know but what you wrote was mean, wasn't it. You have talent for writing though! Gwen Gale (talk) 00:29, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

A useful reference for you

I noticed that you're embarking on a lot of new page patrol -- which is what occupies most of my own work here. It occurred to me that you would find something useful that I recently found that has cut back on more than half the "why did you delete my page?" notes that I used to get -- check out the link at the top of my talk page that starts with "Wait!". If you use it, which I recommend, you may want to contact the individual who's named at the bottom of User:Accounting4Taste/CSD and ask permission, which I have no doubt will be freely and immediately given. Hope you find this useful. Accounting4Taste:talk 00:22, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Ta! Gwen Gale (talk) 01:20, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Hey, I've seen one of those somewhere!! LOL Accounting4Taste:talk 02:36, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

And in the same spirit, I "borrowed" the cute file box I found at the top of your page. If there's someone I should thank, by all means let me know. Now I'm going to deal with your less-than-charming correspondent immediately above (I've left the less-than-charming note for you to savour before you delete it). Accounting4Taste:talk 00:30, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Kewl. I have not a clue who I swiped it from, but I've tweaked it rather a lot since then anyway :) Gwen Gale (talk) 01:20, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Portland Armory

Hi, your speedy deletion of Portland Armory was an edit conflict with an expansion I was working on. I undeleted and pasted my expanded text in. Let me know if you have further concerns. -Pete (talk) 02:04, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

No prob. Looks like MoonRiddenGirl took care of the speedy tag, so we're good to go! -Pete (talk) 02:15, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Deleted Article

hello I am contesting the deletion of Diego Archer. It is notable as the "ownership of conflict" doctrine created by Mr.Archer was the principle unto which International Law was able to link Ciminal Entriprise to head of State leaders. The doctrine was applied to Slodoban Milosevic case in the ICTY, Milan Maertic in the ICTY and Charles Toylor in the Sierra Leone Special Court. Also it was used for the Saddam Hussein Traial in summary judgement. Being such an important legal doctrine as specified ion the article why was it deleted? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexiaguru (talk • contribs) 02:38, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Please read this, thanks. Gwen Gale (talk) 03:00, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Request

Hey Gwen. After talking with the dedicated and knowledgeable user who created it (Katr67), I'm here to politely request a restoration of Monastery of Our Lady of Jordan, Oregon, which you speedied as an organization not asserting enough importance or notability. The monastery is a historic piece of notable architecture in Oregon, and the 1913 Catholic Encyclopedia (from which the article is derived) is a fairly venerated public domain source academically. Katr67 is not in the habit of making frivolous articles of no importance, and does great work. I think we should give her the chance to build out the article more. Whatcha think? VanTucky 03:07, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Hey! When I saw 100-year old text and no assertion of significance I was thinking it wasn't likely to be of interest to anyone but a local historian. Happy to put it back, trusting there's something encyclopedic coming our way! Gwen Gale (talk) 03:19, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks very much Gwen, you're the best. VanTucky 03:25, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

The Wolf Hunter

Thanks for taken off the wolf hunter page I put up, In fact it was not a advertisement as you claimed and in fact a cult character to many here in Ohio and beyond. So before you jump and do something like this maybe you should look into it.

Bloodline —Preceding unsigned comment added by BloodLine Video (talk • contribs) 03:18, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Please have a look at this, also our policy on conflict of interest, thanks. Gwen Gale (talk) 03:20, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Well I wish that you would put it back on please It's something I wrote cause I think as do may others that its a very important character to Ohio film. I do want you to know that I hope you can and will put it back on.

BL V —Preceding unsigned comment added by BloodLine Video (talk • contribs) 03:26, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Have you read this yet? Gwen Gale (talk) 03:29, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes I have can you send me to the person that I would need to speak with.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BloodLine Video (talk • contribs) 03:32, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

So far, I guess that would be me. Do you understand what notability means here at Misplaced Pages? By the way, there is no need to start new section with each reply. Also, please sign your notes with four tildes (~~~~), thanks! Gwen Gale (talk) 03:41, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

ok sorry so what and how can I prove this should be on here?

--BloodLine Video (talk) 03:44, 28 May 2008 (UTC)bloodline

Ok, first, are you the producer of the film/character? Gwen Gale (talk) 03:45, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

no I am not I have seen the film and have meet the man who is wolf hunter —Preceding unsigned comment added by BloodLine Video (talk • contribs) 03:47, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

I think if you put something about that topic into A. Ghastlee Ghoul it'll be ok for now, but you may need to provide some citations from independent, reliable sources soon. Gwen Gale (talk) 03:53, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

thank you what do you suggest? And does this mean The Wolf Hunter will be back on? --bloodline video 03:57, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

If you put something about the Wolf Hunter in A. Ghastlee Ghoul, that would likely work because you Bob Hinton does seem to have some notability as a local TV host and film maker. The Wolf Hunter doesn't seem to be notable enough for its own article. Gwen Gale (talk) 04:00, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

But Bob (The Ghoul) has nothing two do with with wolf hunter! In fact I just updated the ghouls profile cause no one has and he is as well from the same area as me..I am a fan of his work as am i of Matt Hoffman who played the wolf hunter. I do think the wolf hunter should have his own page cause he does have a huge fan base and even has fan films and a comic book being based on him. Truly if this is a encyclopedia for the people then why take off something that does mean something to people.

--bloodline video 04:07, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

I think it would be helpful if you'd read up more on Misplaced Pages's policy about reliable, independent sources. Could you do that? Gwen Gale (talk) 04:17, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

I read the guidelines, and I certainly can certainly respect them. The one question I have is with things that fall into the arts realm (film, related material, etc) that aren't as widely known but ought to be preserved/written about in a wide forum -- just because many people haven't written about it, does that somehow make it worth less/less deserving of being part of a compendium of knowledge? I know it's kind of an abstract question, but perhaps it's this exact question that's causing our disconnect? --bloodline video 04:31, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

I know what you mean. I've restored The Wolf Hunter but the article will need sources if it's going to last here. All the best to you. Gwen Gale (talk) 04:39, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Thank You Gwen, You are a true lover of the arts. As far as sources what would you suggest to use to keep this on?

--bloodline video 04:42, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Anything independent and verifiable that you can find, reliable websites are likely ok for this kind of thing (but no YouTube or MySpace). Gwen Gale (talk) 04:48, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks One last thing are the links I have on the page good for that? They all talk about the film and show that its around.

--bloodline video 04:52, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

With low budget films like this it will mostly depend on what interested editors think about them, along with their overall take on the topic's notability. Find as many as you can (online and on paper) and put them in! Gwen Gale (talk) 15:41, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Request regarding a move

I'd ask you to revert your move of the Teutonic takeover article and start a proper WP:RM, as I have suggested on talk. It is simply illogical to have the article named Danzig (since the name was introduced after the takeover of a city with the name of Gdansk) and the double naming X (Y) is discouraged by our naming conventions. If there will be a RM consensus to move the article to Danzig or Danzig (Gdansk) or anything similar, fine, but a RM should be held - one user should not decide what the name should be, in light of objection on talk.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 12:35, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Piotrus, stop it! It was already very friendly by Gwen to propose this double naming compromise when only "of Danzig" is appropriate. As you reject it, it now needs to be moved to Teutonic takeover of Danzig again, status quo ante, according to policy and history. You and SC did not dare to start the WP:RM you hard requested initially, but simply move warred on the page, and then after the deeds were done, taunted me to "try WP:RM". Also, I warn you not to use any adminpowers in content disputes, as you already did. And stop to repeat those false claims about the German name version being introduced in 1308 when the city definitely used German names decades earlier - and had German Lübeck law, too. See als Duke Zwantepolc de Danceke. -- Matthead  Discuß   12:49, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Double naming should be skirted with most articles but since editors have been bickering over this for years (never mind the historical name dispute) I see no reason why this wouldn't be the most helpful outcome for those we should care about most, the readers. I think most uninvolved editors will see this as a reasonable compromise. Meanwhile, there would be nothing untowards about holding an RM with the article under this title. Gwen Gale (talk) 12:58, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

The only editor who has been bickering over this for years was Matthead, who was going against the near consensus on the talk pages. We proposed RM to Matthead several times, but he never started it on the talk page, likely knowing that it would not succeed. In any case - why not Teutonic takeover of Gdańsk (Danzig)? It makes more sense to have the old name first, and the newer name later. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 13:05, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

I think the language of the earlier vote shows overwhelming consensus for calling the city Danzig in 1308 and I've followed that consensus as an uninvolved admin. If there had been worries about how to handle 1308 when the vote was taken, I'd think editors would have worded the vote itself to show this. Acknowledging the name dispute with (Gdansk) in the title will do nothing but help alert readers to it in context straight off. Gwen Gale (talk) 13:11, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Plus ça change

You might wish to keep an eye out for 3RR and other misdemeanors at Sollog.

Incidentally, I'm sorry that I didn't notice AfD/Sollog (2nd nomination) at the time. It ended "Keep (no consensus)", allowing for the possibility of a 3rd nomination and consignment of this person to the oblivion that (I think) he richly deserves. -- Hoary (talk) 15:25, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Hang on -- I did notice it. Time to go to bed. -- Hoary (talk) 15:37, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Hoary, I hope this is helpful :D Gwen Gale (talk) 19:05, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Michael Stohl

Stohl is an academic important to the study of terrorism, and is cited as such on two of our articles on the topic (Special:WhatLinksHere/Michael_Stohl). I would appreciate a prod notice next time, but if you can move was you deleted to my user space, I'll see what I can do to make that more clear. -- Kendrick7 17:54, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi Kendrick7, done. Two things to bear in mind, a person may be cited in many Misplaced Pages articles but still not be widely notable enough for a biographical article. If you do wish to recreate this in the article space, please put something in the lead which clearly asserts the wide significance of the topic (the utter lack of this is why the article was tagged and subsequently speedy deleted). It's not hard to skirt a speedy if you believe in the article: Make a strong good faith claim of notability/significance for the topic which you can back up with sources (however, you need not list these sources straight off). If there are worries about your sources, this can be sorted out later either on the talk page or if need be, AfD. Cheers. Gwen Gale (talk) 18:06, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. Right, I can see now that the lead was pretty weak; I'll dig a little deeper. If the extent to which he's a talking head on TV and radio is as evident from another source as the UCSB's page on him suggests, I'll make that clear in the lead which I would hope would put him over the top. -- Kendrick7 18:42, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Final Drive (more)

Heya, I'll try to keep this brief, since I rather dislike notes regarding deletions myself. I noticed, while investigating a WP:SSP case, that you had deleted Final Drive under G5 ("Creation by a banned user"). I'd like to take a moment, to point out, that User:Finaldrive, near as I can tell, is blocked, not banned. There's a bit of difference between the two, and, just before you deleted it, someone else declined another speedy on it. I don't think in this case, it's right, to throw away a possibly decent article, just because the creator got blocked. If it's alright with you, I'd like to go ahead and restore it. SQL 18:40, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

And, this was addressed way further up on your talkpage. Just ignore me :P SQL 18:41, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

It was also an A7. Before I restore it, can you please tell me anything about this topic which might hint that it meets WP:Notability (bands)? From what I gather, the only notable bit, that MTV appearance, wasn't made by the band, but by only a single member. Thanks for putting up with me (all I need is something to get by A7 ;). Cheers! Gwen Gale (talk) 18:46, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Oops, I didn't quite understand that second post until now :D Ok, then, I'll forget all about it unless you bring it up again :) Gwen Gale (talk) 18:59, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Manly Man Town

The article Manly Man Town was created as a joke, and will be searched by someone soon.

After they search Manly Man Town and notice it's there, I was going to delete the article

Hey that's ok, I beat ya to it :D Please don't add jokes to Misplaced Pages. Gwen Gale (talk) 01:11, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Can I ask you a question?

I've got someone saying libel on my talk page against me. I'm an admin, but I don't want to be heavy handed. Do you think you can give the guys doing this the appropriate warnings. Thanks.--Bedford 02:38, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Done. Let me know if you need more help with it. Gwen Gale (talk) 02:50, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I didn't know if it was OK for me to delete that edit.--Bedford 02:51, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

You can if you like, though it's thought to be more admin-like and trustworthy to ask another admin to ward the scythe mop when this happens, which is spot on what you did :) Gwen Gale (talk) 03:00, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

User:Jimboss69

Hey, did you really mean username block? I don't get it. I agree this guy was up to no good, but he's been warned and that was a few hours ago. I don't disagree with a block perhaps, but I don't see why it would be a username block. Friday (talk) 04:21, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Hey, Friday. Ok... Jimboss69? Along with commentary like this? Get it? The name and the posts are meant as disruption. I'll unblock if you like though. Cheers. Gwen Gale (talk) 04:25, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Eh, I wouldn't necessarily unblock. If it's for disruption, I won't argue- he was certainly disruptive. I just don't like seeing a block go down with a reason in the log that doesn't reflect the real reason. The overall behavior seems trollish- I think we both agree on that. Friday (talk) 04:34, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

I blocked him for his disruptive username. Maybe some editors won't get it but many will. If you would like me to swap it for a 24 hour block for disruption I'll do that, let me know. Gwen Gale (talk) 04:37, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

This was an obvious troublemaker so it's probably not worth spending time to change it now. I just think it's best to be as accurate as possible in block logs, that's all. If we stretch assuming good faith to the limits.. maybe his name is Jimbo and he drives a '69 chevelle Super Sport :) Friday (talk) 04:40, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Kinda like Vincent Vega huh? ;) Anyway, I did assume good faith when I first saw the name, but then the behaviour came. Gwen Gale (talk) 04:45, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Reverting done by pro Iranian regime users Creazysuit and BoogaLouie

Dear Gwen, The problem we have about the PMOI page where some pro regime users like BoogaLouie keep inserting their biased materials is being extended now to the "Massoud Rajavi" and "NCRI" pages. You see that a supposed Iranian "CreazySuit" has reverted to versions dating back to April. Regards, Tom

suggestion for the opening page of PMOI

Dear Gwen, About the PMOI opening page, since the present version has deleted all their court victories, one gets a very negative impression about this group which is not fair. I suggest we add this sentence : "On 7 May 2008, the UK Court of Appeal rejected an appeal by Jacqui Smith, the Home Secretary, against a decision by the Proscribed Organisations Appeal Commission to remove the PMOI from the list of groups banned under the Terrorism Act 2000. Lord Phillips, the Lord Chief Justice, said there was no evidence that the People's Mojahedin Organisation of Iran was currently involved in terrorism. "

This is a fact and is nothing to be disputed and is quite balanced. For your information the British Government has implemented the verdict by lodging a written order with the British parliament , seeking to remove the PMOI from the terrorist list. Best wishes, Tom Davy —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tom davy (talk • contribs) 10:29, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Tom, please don't duplicate your posts on multiple talk pages, but put a single post on the relevant article talk page. Also, there is no need to address these to me. You should be discussing this with the other editors. Gwen Gale (talk) 13:19, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Citations?

Hi Gwen Gale, I've been watching the discussion on Misplaced Pages:Articles_for_deletion/Roleplay_Online. Having done some other edits on pages which come up as needing citation, I was hoping for some advice on reliable citations. For example, I did a tiny bit of editing on the small bilgeboard article. The entry could likely be cleaned up, and an illustration would be great, but I'm unsure how or where a citation should be gotten for something like this. It's one of those things that, if you know boating or boat design, you likely know what it is, but here, with a big stack of boat design textbooks on my desk and Google at my fingertips, I cannot find a source which actually defines it. The whole field is very small and somewhat esoteric; while it doesn't mean that people who deal with these things don't know what this item is, it does mean that they've very rarely set it down specifically in a textbook as "here is what this thing is and what it's for". Nevertheles, it is a real thing with a purpose and definition agreed upon by those who deal with these things, and something which might be useful for others to be able to look up somewhere. (And I find some parallels here with those trying to find adequate citation for the Roleplay Online article.) I realize you must be very busy, but I was hoping you could help me with some practical advice on properly citing articles when Google is simply inadequate to the task due to the nature of the things being discussed, or at least point me in the right direction. cruinne (talk) 15:45, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Reply

I replied to you on my talk page. Cheers, Prima. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.195.250.2 (talk) 18:19, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

I only now posted my reply to you, sorry it took so long! :) Gwen Gale (talk) 18:23, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

My page

Gwen, please revert to my last version with my retirement notice. I put it there for a reason. 137.195.250.2 (talk) 20:49, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

What reason? Gwen Gale (talk) 20:51, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Does it matter? I would like that notice to stand as my personal view on what happened. I don't appreciate you using the fact that you're an admin to try and silence my viewpoints. 137.195.250.2 (talk) 20:52, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I was only trying to help you in the long term. I've unprotected the page, please ask any admin (including me) to help with any other changes, including protection. Gwen Gale (talk) 20:58, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Toys out the pram much? 137.195.250.2 (talk) 21:02, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi Gwen, I was the one undoing the redirect. I've readded the message, and reprotected the page. And, as your edit summary wisely said, let it fade away...Cheers, Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 21:00, 29 May 2008 (UTC)