Article snapshot taken from Wikipedia with creative commons attribution-sharealike license.
Give it a read and then ask your questions in the chat.
We can research this topic together.
:::::::I see no outing. Currently considering an unblock. ] <small>(<span class="plainlinks"></span>)</small> 19:35, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::::I see no outing. Currently considering an unblock. ] <small>(<span class="plainlinks"></span>)</small> 19:35, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
::::::::Rudget, I respectfully request that ''you'' do not unblock, and I suspect that Giano II will agree: Rockpocket has given himself more than enough rope here, and we're all curious to see what he's going to do with it. ]! 19:42, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
::::::::Rudget, I respectfully request that ''you'' do not unblock, and I suspect that Giano II will agree: Rockpocket has given himself more than enough rope here, and we're all curious to see what he's going to do with it. ]! 19:42, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::You're right, Nick. Let's see how this pans out. ] <small>(<span class="plainlinks"></span>)</small> 19:43, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
:Not sufficient. Identifying one account as a ] of another account is not by any stretch ] an editor, as the Wikipedism has it. Since ] is perfectly aware that "outing" an editor specifically means identifying an editor's actual real-life name, "outing" in this case is a misuse of the vocabulary, perhaps a conscious one. Surely this was not an intentional effort to intensify a toxic atmosphere. One would expect an admission of error here on the part of an editor with a sense of honesty. --] (]) 19:39, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
:Not sufficient. Identifying one account as a ] of another account is not by any stretch ] an editor, as the Wikipedism has it. Since ] is perfectly aware that "outing" an editor specifically means identifying an editor's actual real-life name, "outing" in this case is a misuse of the vocabulary, perhaps a conscious one. Surely this was not an intentional effort to intensify a toxic atmosphere. One would expect an admission of error here on the part of an editor with a sense of honesty. --] (]) 19:39, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
::Thanks Wetman, something very odd is going on here. veru od indeed. I have had an email informing me that ] "has permission to edit anonymously" who has given this permission - and why? Why is this "Berks" allowed with "permission" to argue for Sussexman's return? I think we should be told! ] (]) 19:43, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
::Thanks Wetman, something very odd is going on here. veru od indeed. I have had an email informing me that ] "has permission to edit anonymously" who has given this permission - and why? Why is this "Berks" allowed with "permission" to argue for Sussexman's return? I think we should be told! ] (]) 19:43, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for your support at my recent Request for adminship. Good to know you think I’m reliable enough. I hope you find I live up to your expectations. Best, Risker (talk) 16:24, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
Congratulations
The Featured Article Medal
For all your contributions to featured content, especially the articles related to New Zealand architecture. Thanks for all your work. Shudde13:13, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
Although you opposed me in my recent RFA I will still say thanks as from your comments and the other users comments that opposed me I have made a todo list for before my next RFA. I hope I will have resolved all of the issues before then and I hope that you would be able to support me in the future. If you would like to reply to this message or have any more suggestions for me then please message me on my talk page as I will not be checking back here. Thanks again. ·Add§hore· /Cont16:19, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
Hi there, I've written this article as an attempt to introduce the articles on DNA, Gene and Genetics in a completely non-technical and approachable way. I was looking for some good editors with no background in science to look this over and advise me on how it could be improved. Would you have time to help with this? All the best Tim Vickers (talk) 16:39, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
Wherever a regular editor is telling the self-important that they're wrong, Giano will be there. Wherever editors work for months, spending fortunes to get resources, and then have arrogant children with high school diplomas tell them that the pictures have been deleted because tags have changed, Giano will be there. Wherever a guy just tries to get by, making good articles, and the IRC channels begin buzzing with how he needs to be banned forever, Giano will be there. Geogre (talk) 17:55, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
Giano, your edits to arbitration pages are getting disruptive now. If you remove sanctions from a closed case again, you'll be blocked. Ryan Postlethwaite14:44, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
Why are you doing this? You know that it'll get reverted and you'll be asked to stop. I'd really like you to be free of restrictions as soon as possible but that needs you not to go on disruptive crusades. Sam Blacketer (talk) 14:52, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
I always thought that this was too broad...especially the part about assuming bad faith, which is so open to misintepretation that it is bound to be problematic. But one thing I do know is that the majority of arbcom has a lot of respect for your work overall.--MONGO15:04, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
No, it was always the intention of the above mentioned that I be plagued by irritants from IRCAdmins to such an extent that I stopped editng - which I more or less have since then. Cowardly way of going on, really. Giano (talk) 15:06, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
I concur that IRC stinks, but what can we do? I tend to use the preview button before I post a comment since my original comments are full of things that might make some whine that I am not being nice.--MONGO15:14, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
I dunno what we can do Arbs/IRC can one trust any of them, is there in fact a difference - let's face it they had no business accepting the case in the first place - it was a cook up between them all from the first moment. I think most people know that. Indeed, have they yet acted on their decision to reform IRC? - No! The only decision they were remotly interested in one was the on to "get " me. Even the other Arbs knew it was a bad move but FloNight, Deskana, UninvitedCompany, Kirill Lokshin, Sam Blacketer, Morven and Jpgordon wanted me out and were determined to pursue that goal. They are liars. The arbcom was deceitful about this case from the very moment it started Giano (talk) 15:22, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
Though I am but a peon, you have my support as always. I have long believed that those who are emotionally charged such as you and I are at times, should be accepted as being sometimes prone to making bold/strongly worded/passionate comments at times. I was always hoping that the arbitrators, who are probably less likely to respond passionately to various things, would understand that not everyone is as calm or as composed as they are. I think I should consider myself lucky that I have not had a civility restriction placed on me...but what many might refer to as my incivility, is actually just me being earnest and frank.--MONGO16:10, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
I see Giano and Cla68 as definitely two different editors with two different agendas. Prior arbcom cases involving Giano do not show any evidence that he is vendetta driven or has been engaged in hounding, baiting and wikistalking other ediotrs for protracted periods of time.--MONGO03:52, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
I know little about Cla68's case beyond what very respected editors are emailing me from both sides. The one thing I know for sure is that I don't trust the arbcom to fairly adjudicate it - so I will loook into it. Giano (talk) 18:54, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
I don't recognize the ridiculous civility restriction, it was dreamt up by the devious for application by the chattering stupid. Anyway those particular Arbs are not cool and composed, they are simply devious, or perhaps they just wanted to please Fred Bauder - who knows. Whatever, sadly, the other Arbs are too weak to rein them in; but at least 1=2 was firmly ignored on IRC this afternoon, so there are some changes for the better - at least some people are learning from their mistakes. I just hope those same Arbs will not be allowed to behave in similar dishonest vein on another current arbitration case. At least the community is starting to see through them, albeit very slowly. Giano (talk) 16:39, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
Without any comment on the decision itself (since I have never been totally convinced either way), it is not right that you edit this page. Firstly, your conflict of interest (and I do not refer to the policy by that name, which is irrelevant here) is obvious: even if it were to be removed as a sanction by community or committee, it would not be your role to mark that removal. Secondly, the fact of the committee's having made the resolution (which is what that page marks) is beyond question and does not rely upon its being accepted. I don't quite know why you are making the edits: is it because you think it makes an effective change or because it winds up members of the committee? Sam Korn17:37, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
My enemies don't need an opening they need firing! Most intelligent editors now completely dismiss "the committee" - or at least the "Gang of 7." They are regarded as people not to be trusted or admired. In short, the 7 should be sent packing. It is not only that the decision was plain wrong, the case should never have been accepted in he first place, whether it was the "Gang of 7's" agenda to be rid of me, or just plain toadying to Fred Bauder, perhaps they even thought it would stop me telling the truth about them! Whatever, I neither know nor care. However, most people accept it was one of the those reasons. So if the committee are too cowardly, and inept, to do anything about it, then others must - that is why I edited those pages. Why should we have to look at evidence of these incompetents' spite and malevolence. So untrustworthy are they, I would not want to see them judging a singing canary.
We see this so called arbitration committee making mistake after mistake and no one lifts a finger about it. They strut about receiving just about enough support from the few remaining fools and henchmen on IRC to remain in power - while most of the serious editors just ring their hands in despair or simply disappear. It is like watching the antics of a deluded self serving third world junta in the final days before an implosion. The "Gang of 7" wanted rid of me, and they may get their wish. Thanks to their efforts, I no longer see the point of editing, but I won't be going quietly. Misplaced Pages deserves and needs better than these sad, but vicious apologies for Arbs. How many more have to be driven off just to protect their cosy little nests and egos. They don't need me editing their decisions they need firing! Giano (talk) 18:45, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
I disagree with the first part of your statement. I think that those who would like you gone will be forced to stoop to baiting you, if you don't do it for them. The project is amazingly tolerant of poor behavior (see the cla/sv/fm arb case for acres of text on admin and other poor behavior). --Rocksanddirt (talk) 21:41, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
French chateaux anyone?
I see from the above section that things are heating up again round here. Should I go and upload some pictures I have of French chateaux, or should I go read about the latest developments? Sorry if this strikes the wrong tone, but coming back from a holiday and seeing the same old disputes going on is rather tiresome. Maybe Arbcom should be limited to behavioural disputes that affect article content, rather than disputes that are just interpersonal disputes and don't affect articles? I'm as guilty as many of typing far too much in project space and project talk pages and noticeboards, but the old saw about "writing an encyclopedia" is as true now as it was then. Carcharoth (talk) 18:21, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
It may have escaped your notice, the so call bunch of imcompetents known as the Arbcom are not interested in content, I doubt they even know it exists! Giano (talk) 18:42, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
I've managed to avoid even looking at, let alone editing, in the Misplaced Pages namespace since I got back. <checks> Oops. I see I edited a WP:FAC and a WP:TFD. Will have to WP:TROUT myself. Seriously, though, both the chateaux I visited had spiral staircases. The Francis I spiral staircase at the Château de Blois, and the even more famous double helix staircase at the Château de Chambord. I distinctly remember reading something someone wrote on Misplaced Pages about spiral staircases. Was that you? Carcharoth (talk) 19:49, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
Yes, it was me, but what the fuck does that matter? i'm just the uncivil bastard who disrupts the place, while the Arbcom lies its head off. Giano (talk) 20:06, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
I was trying to find the article where you wrote something on spiral staircases. I found imperial staircase and Stairway#Spiral and helical stairs, but the former is not the right article, and the latter is not yours. Can you remember the article I am thinking of? About Arbcom, I've been away for a bit. Is there something simple to point to that I am missing? Something that happened in the past week? I know things were never really satisfactorily concluded, but sometimes you have to be realistic and consider that you might not get what you want from all this. You and others know that you are not what still others make you out to be, and surely that is the important thing? Carcharoth (talk) 22:29, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
I can't remember either, I know the one you mean, there is something here , there may have been some more on Renaissance architecture, but that has changed a lot since I was last there. I can't rmember. On the Arbcom thing - No, nothing n the last week - it's just I don't want to live with their lies and deceit - they are a bunch of bastards - that is their problem not mine. Giano (talk) 22:43, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
A spiral staircase can take you up as well as down. Let's see some good edits, whenever you're ready to make them. -- Hoary (talk) 10:31, 27 May 2008 (UTC)Neorenaissance#Features of the Neo-Renaissance is what I was thinking of, thanks. I thought that the picture there was of the Henri II staircase by the chapel (built later), but I see it is in fact the Francis I staircase by his royal apartments on the other side of the Chambord chateau. By the way, on a complete aside, Grand Staircase is a geological feature. Is there enough at Grand Staircase of the Titanic and Grand Staircase (White House) to warrant a separate article about grand staircases? Is it a distinct architectural term, different from imperial staircase? Anyway, this guidebook I have is talking about how the architectural style varies around this Henri II (or chapel) staircase from early Renaissance pediments to classical pediments on the final bits from 1685. I had to look up dormer (they seem to be talking about the windows on the wings either side, rather than the staircase), but I see what they mean. Is a tourist guide book a reliable source for this kind of thing? Carcharoth (talk) 06:57, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
No, because it will always tell you "their's is best" when often there are better examples elsewhere. Grand staircase, it just a meaningless grandiose term from the French - meaning the great, largest or principal staircase in a building. The term is not worthy of a page, as any form of staircasdee could be the "grand staircase" and frequently is.Giano (talk) 10:35, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
OK, thanks. I'll stick to clear factual stuff and cross-check with other sources. I'll drop back here when the pictures are up, just to let you know so you can look at them and critique my efforts if you want. Carcharoth (talk) 11:14, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
About your recent frustrations, may I recommend either a sustained period of content editing or a proper break? I find a complete break for a week or two really does help, and so does content editing. I wouldn't worry too much about your reputation or that of arbcom. Well, when I say that, I mean that your reputation is the only one you can really affect, and I wouldn't worry about those people who are too inflexible to change their minds. Better to let your (editing) actions speak louder than words for those who are prepared to change their minds, and to let arbcom do their work - no-one can agree with all their actions and decisions, but specific (and calm) criticisms are better than generalised and hurtful comments. It is clear by now to anyone watching that you disagree with their decision in your case, but at some point you have to let things go. That's my advice, anyway. Talk to it about people off-wiki as well, including arbitrators as well if you are still prepared to talk to them - I think you will find some of them (including some of those that you are maligning) are more approachable off-wiki than on-wiki (it is understandable that many arbitrators are more formal on-wiki, and some are just, to be frank, overworked or no longer interested, from what I can see). Hope that helps for what it is worth. Carcharoth (talk) 06:57, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
Come off it
Thatcher, how do you mean "dispute it elsewhere"? Where would that be? As Ryan points out, it's a closed case. Seriously, where are you advising Giano to dispute it? Mmm? Bishonen | talk19:05, 26 May 2008 (UTC).
If the argument is that the AC should be ignored, then anywhere that isn't an AC page would be more appropriate. If a statement that a remedy is to be ignored must be made, I would suggest a user page as the appropriate location. Sam Korn19:47, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
Like here? Giano removed that with this edit. Should he really have to put it back? Maybe I should go and catch up with what has been happening, or is this just more of the same? Carcharoth (talk) 19:52, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
He doesn't have to do anything. I'm merely suggesting that that would probably be the place to put it, if you really do have to make this kind of protest. I personally would not put it in that big box because I think coloured boxes of this sort are ugly, but that's beside the point.
Thank you. No, Giano doesn't have to do anything, and nothing he does is of interest to the AC; hence presumably his frustration. If, against appearances (with your colored boxes), you're interested (seriously) in any (serious) discussion I might offer, here is my shot at it. It's in fact on a userpage (this one). I bet that was widely read ! <sarcasm>. Only one arbitrator (Paul) has even spoken to me (in private e-mail) after the case. After Kirill called me a "problem user" during it. I'd be ashamed if that indifference was mine. I expect it's such selective deafness that is provoking Giano into editing arbitration pages the way he is. It seems to be the only way to stop our top brass in the middle of a yawn. It does not become you to take the attitude you do, Smoddy. Bishonen | talk23:02, 26 May 2008 (UTC).
I am not going to issue a further block but your existing one should be considered as concurrent for the same duration for this. Stifle (talk) 16:03, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
Complete rubbish! The liars on the arbcom accepted a case they had no business accepting, they intended it purely to try and "get me", and they failed. Their position is untenable, they are a walking disgrace to the project. Morally they are no better than Daniel Brandt! - at least one knows what side he is on! So take your block and stick it where the sun don't shine!God what a project! The lying bastards can't even do their own dirty work! Giano (talk) 16:22, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
Oh, come on... expressing an opinion on a talk page that he doesn't like a process (without naming anyone) is a blocking offense? I'm no great fan of Giano, but aren't admins - let alone arbs - supposed to be more thick skinned than this? I've had worse abuse today alone and haven't felt the need to block anyone. Have any of the Arbs actually taken offense at any of this? — iridescent16:57, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
Crikey, Giano - just because they're all out to get you, it doesn't mean you're not paranoid! Take a break from it all; all the best, Johnbod (talk) 17:07, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
I don't think Stifle was sent by anyone. I suspect Thatcher, Ryan and Sam Korn realised that the situation had calmed down and that blocks wouldn't help. Stifle is perfectly capable of assessing the situation on his own. Carcharoth (talk) 17:09, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
Oh dear. I thought that it was a bit strange that no-one had blocked Giano for those edits. In some ways, I suppose Thatcher, Ryan Postlewaithe and Sam Korn not saying anything at the time might mean something, but maybe they were just trying not to respond themselves, while still not standing in the way of anyone else who might decide to block. Stifle, I have one question - are you trying to show that the sanction is unworkable (as in that people can come along later and block even if the people initially involved don't seem that bothered - Ryan and Thatcher used page protection, and Sam didn't seem to object to the language being used), or are you trying to show that short blocks create less drama? OK, that was two questions. The block probably expired while I was writing this... Carcharoth (talk) 17:09, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
Carch, you are rather missing the point, the sanction is there to allow me to be blocked the second I ever start posting the truth - that is how it works and why the whole daft case was cooked up and accepted. The problem is everyone now knows that is how it works, so each time I am blocked the Arbcom appears more ridiculous than the last - everyone except the Arbcom can see that - which rather proves my point. If they weren't so devious one would pity them. Like some third world Junta. Probably planning to have me bumped off as we speak - buried in concrete or something. Giano (talk) 17:13, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
We have an article on that, don't we? Cement shoes. Seriously, it was a short block. Just ignore it and concentrate on specific actionable criticisms. Some of your criticisms seem wide of the mark, and that doesn't help the genuine ones. I'm off now for an hour or so. Carcharoth (talk) 17:26, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
well I'm off out for dinner now - have a plesant evening all of you - don't get carried away and let the Arbs inspire you to write a page or anything equally daft will you? Giano (talk) 17:38, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
While I support you in general, Giano, I think altering the decision pages of completed ArbCom cases is not a reasonable thing for you to do. There are some ArbCom decisions that I myself think are ridiculous, but I don't go around trying to change history by altering the pages announcing them. *Dan T.* (talk) 22:48, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
Yes, it is very tiresome
Turns out that Artichoke2020 had in mind to start his own personal list of potential FAR candidates, and was starting from the Arts&Architecture section, so your next potential FARs were first, but not alone; he's now asked to have his list speedy deleted. Perhaps someone got him to stop by pointing him to Sandy's existing list of articles that will go to FAR? Eventually those articles will either have to be re-referenced or de-featured, but I'd follow Sandy's expectations rather than this editor's. She's just heading out on holidays or I'd ask her what her usual practices are, but I think it's adding one or two articles a week to FAR. Risker (talk) 20:31, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
Swamp him in butter and eat him! failng that I am sure he is writing FAs 2/dozen and Misplaced Pages will be the richer for it. Giano (talk) 20:33, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, but Arts are only ever eaten at lunch, does one want hard liquor then? - Or do other races eat them later in the day? Rather like drinking a cappuccinno in the afternoon. Giano (talk) 20:46, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
They are often served as an appetizer or hors d'oeuvres over here, although I am hard-pressed to say that we are "another race" - and you're darn right I want hard liquor, or at least some suitably buzz-inducing cocktail, with the hors d'oeuvres. And a popular summer afternoon beverage here is what is called the "ice cap" which is capuccino and crushed ice whipped into a frothy, highly caffeinated confection that will prevent us from taking naps at our desks. We are a very uncultured people over here. Risker (talk) 21:53, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
Talking of vegetables, I discovered that the Loire Valley is famous for asparagus. The vegetable of kings apparantly, thanks to the Sun King himself, who made it a royal dish. Sadly, Misplaced Pages doesn't yet seem to have cottoned on to this. Actually, no, I will have to eat my esparge shoots, as our article Argenteuil does mention the connection, though Sologne does not (lots of asparagus grown in the sandy soils there). And yes, we do have User:Asparagus. We also have the original User:Artichoke (the account was created but has not been used yet), and doubtless as many other editorial culinary delights as people are willing to keep typing in... Carcharoth (talk) 21:58, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
I thoight it was first eaten bu the British who called it sparrow grass - supposed to be an aphrodisiac - can't say I have ever noticed it myslelf, but then so are oysters and champagne one upsets my stomach and the other sends me to sleep with flatulence - so both fail. Giano (talk) 22:01, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
No, but I do know a very good aphrodisiac that really works - amazingly well in fact - lasts for 8 hours, and need to be eaten two hours before required. Answers by email, all major credit cards accepted. Giano (talk) 22:19, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
Oh for pity's sake, I wasn't thinking of the aphrodisiac aspect, I was just trying to think of something you could eat without digestive problems. Obviously I have spent far too much of my life feeding finicky eaters. Risker (talk) 22:22, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
Which is why I am about to make some nice casarecce bolognese. Finally off-call and can enjoy a nice glass of wine with it. Risker (talk) 22:33, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
Speak for yourself. I plan to have an enjoyable evening copy editing and trying to straighten out my SUL problem, and for that I need the energy from the pasta carbs. You, on the other hand, are off to bed, of course the idea of a plate of casarecce bolognese is too onerous to be considered. Although the glass of wine might be a propos. Risker (talk) 23:51, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
Sighs at all the food talk, eyes his tiny diet container of "Wedged Potatoes with Sliced Beef Steak".. looks around at work (where I couldn't drink, even if I wanted to)... *grumbles* :) SirFozzie (talk) 04:54, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
Aww, poor SirFozzie. If it helps, my dinner was funny-shaped pasta (that has a cool name but was mainly purchased because it was on sale) in meat sauce, and the wine was the dregs of a bottle I opened on the weekend and figured I'd better finish before it turned to vinegar. I can pass you my top-secret, nearly calorie-free "flavour enhancer" recipe to spice up those diet meals if you'd like - doesn't involve asparagus, artichokes, oysters, or any of the other delicacies or beverages mentioned above. ;-) --Risker (talk) 15:11, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
Hi Giano. I've just read through Belton House and wanted to say what a great job you've done! However (not to dampen the mood), I was wondering if you'd be able to re-upload the pictures in anything other than .gif files, as they seem to have lost some of their colour? Regards, Craigy (talk) 05:03, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
I have converted a few of these that weren't scaling properly- Giano can you clarify whether these are images from a digital camera or scans from negatives/prints? Gustav von Humpelschmumpel (talk) 11:52, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
I am aiming to nominate this article for GA and to be a FA on 21 June. If you can suggest any improvements to the article please let me know.--Vintagekits (talk) 12:38, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
Hi Giano, how are the duties of being a great and famous Wikipedian treating you? I just finished a featured article project this evening and was wondering if you wanted to make a push on the Winter Palace. I was tinkering away a bit on it tonight. --JayHenry (talk) 03:00, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
Have a go by all means, that it is quite an important section as it is the conclusion, and I have some ideas for where it is going, but am waiting for a new book from Amazon to be delivered, also I am just a little busy elsewhere in real life at the moment, the sub-pages for the rooms etc need developing too, it is truly a monumantal project. Regards. Giano (talk) 06:11, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
Hello Giano. Are you still locking horns with Arbcom? If ya don't wanna respond, that's cool (just delete my question, no big deal). GoodDay (talk) 18:32, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
Interesting question, I wonder why you ask it? The simple answer is, I don't know. I am not here much these days. I hope, one day, to finish Winter Pal, that's about it. Edits such as this, which are of such monumental ignorance ; have rather confirmed my belief that the project is now run by Admins of such little value and foresight that there is little hope for it - hopefully, I am wrong. Yes, I am still of the opinion that the present Arbcom, as a body, are directionless. They are as headless ants (is that mixing metaphors?). I suppose the answer to your question is, head banging has never been one of my favourite pursuits - they don't have the horns to lock with mine. Giano (talk) 20:48, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
Ciao, ti avviso che l'articolo Holkham Hall è stato proposto per la rimozione dalla vetrina. Sei pregato di partecipare alla discussione o di migliorare la voce - anche dato che io voglio tradurla in italiano. Felice di conoscere un'altra persona della mia nazionalità =) Mojska07:23, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
So I see. I wish I could say the same. Please speak English here, it is extremely vulgar to speak in a language in order to exclude others. Giano (talk) 19:49, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
Saunders Goode mansion
Gino,
I am new at this so sorry in advance for any mistakes! Regarding your comments on the Saunders Goode Mansion in Town Creek Alabama...I agree with the majority of them. However, I feel that you should be aware that I have seen the house many times in person and done extensive research on the history of it and...Yes...It has been altered drastically. Many things which are now prominent to the house were not even features in the original construction. Sad that such a magnificent home is now left to run down and decay! Not to mention the fact that it was altered this way in the first place. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.214.214.15 (talk • contribs) 15:02, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
Hi. I'm not Giano (note the extra a), but I've moved your comment to the bottom of the page, and added a signature for you... it's convention to put comments at the bottom of talk pages, and to sign your comments with ~~~~ ... that will expand into a datestamped signature. Unfortunately, it may not be easy to get a response on this as you did not point to what article you were referring to. Do you mean Town Creek? Giano appears not to have edited it. There does not seem to be an article on a mansion named Saunders Goode. Perhaps you could clarify what you meant.? ++Lar: t/c23:40, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
I amended the "Palladian" assertion to read "It is an example of the kind of vernacular classicism that a talented amateur with access to some architectural books could produce for a local builder to follow." this seems more accurate. --Wetman (talk) 08:24, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
Thanks Wetman. It's always sad to see an old house in such a state of dereliction, whatever its architectural value. If you click on the image and look at it properly it is in a sad state of repair - pity. I am still stupid enough to think buildings have souls, well some, so I hate seeing them in disrepair - is there not an "Historic Buildings of Alabama Society" lots of botoxed ladies to give charity balls to save it? Giano (talk) 19:55, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
When the wood sections are that badly in need of paint, there's rot in them. The house may be in an undesirable section: Lawrence County, Alabama, sad to relate, is a "dry" county. Parched throats, rising damp. Alabama!--Wetman (talk) 23:13, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
!!!You mean dry as in.... I can hardly bring myself to say it..no vino? I did not know such places still existed. Now that is very sad, I suppose then, that means no charity balls to save the architecture - well no one is going to pay a fortune to stand and talk to a botox-face without a drink in their hand, are they? Giano (talk) 23:37, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
C'mon though, this is a joke isn't? There is nowhere now in the civilized world, where if one one wants to hit the gin at 6, it is forbidden. St Alphonse Gabriel of Chicago spent his life securing the right for his countrymen to enjoy a martini, has this been throw back in his Italian face? Surely if this were true, the American tourist authority would advertise it broadly. Any way what sort of person would want to spend their life without a drink? Giano (talk) 18:50, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
I wish it were so, but there are in fact counties in the US where the purchase, and posession of alcohol is prohibited. Generally they are in southern states, and generally very rural areas, and generally there is a neighboring county with a nice large roadhouse right on the county line. --Rocksanddirt (talk) 19:25, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
That's what I've been led to believe. Though the stills are usually out in the woods for plausible deniability when the ATF come calling. --Rocksanddirt (talk) 19:32, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
Well I just feel very sory for them, can you imagine not being able to legaly put gin into the vermouth? Odd race the Americans - what on earth do they drink when they have colds and the flu? I wonder if property prices are cheaper there? Giano (talk) 21:27, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
I should imagine they are all very unhappy, half the fun of a bad cold is being able to drink malt whisky with hot water at 11 in the morning, and imagine a winter Sunday with no Bloody Mary before lunch, or a summer Sunday with no Widow Clickit before lunch _ I wonder what they do with themselves. Are they the sort of American who have five wives and drive about in those little horse drawn buggies, with hundreds of children in the back? Giano (talk) 21:43, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
Well, it's certain sects of the Mormons (and a few other cults) that have the five wives, and the Mennonites and Amish who have the horse-drawn buggies, but the former tend to be west of the Mississippi and the latter two north of the Mason-Dixon line. Unfortunately the only terms I can come up with to describe this particular cultural group would probably have me labeled racist or something worse. And I've always preferred gin and lemon hot toddies for cold, the citrus clears the sinuses more effectively. Risker (talk) 22:14, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
I agree with Risker, though use rum. The area of the country I am from (California) has the distinction that most towns had as the first permenant structure a Saloon, and the second one a Brothel. So I understand your confusion about the parts of the country where the masses are denied basic human dignity. --Rocksanddirt (talk) 22:40, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
And does edit! I've just learned that as a museum, Sir John Soane's Museum is of low importance. I'd never have realized that, if it hadn't been for Misplaced Pages. I'll toss my various books about Soane's works into the trash over the weekend. Thank the gods for Wikiprojects; they do such a good job of standardizing articles! -- Hoary (talk) 15:05, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
Indeed, I have on occasions had my own experiences in this department . After all, Florence is just a little run down lil ol' provincial hillbilly town in Tuscanland. Nothing of importance there. Giano (talk) 18:07, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
No, no, too dangerous! and don't be uncivil to me you bastard, and don't blaspheme the Lord! I'm not sure if this one is "unknown" or just of "unknown importance" probably unknown - once you've seen one Madonna, you have seen the lot. As a student, I worked a summer as a guide there, and was paid a fortune to take a particularly well known family on an individual tour - I thought they seemed a little board, then the little heir to this mercantile empire said "we jus' wanna see the nood on the clamshell." It seems he is now editing here and tagging pages. AGiano (talk) 18:58, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
Nude on a clamshell? <quizzical frown> Oh, hang on, you mean The Birth of Venus (Botticelli), right? You know, I can't really imagine "Giano" as a tour guide in a museum, though come to think of it, maybe I can start to visualise it if I get the right atmosphere and audience. Hmm. Wikiversity has already been started. Wikimuseum doesn't have quite the same ring to it, but you never know. Or Wikitourguides or something? Carcharoth (talk) 12:21, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
Hello Giano. I've started to expand this a couple of days ago. I'm really enjoying it and I'm glad I found a lot of online material for it. Feel free to join in anytime you feel thrilled for it. :-) Best regards, Húsönd16:25, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
Don't like blood marys at all, either in liquid or regal form. Baby guniness, malt, or gin and tonic are more my bag. No idea what crown heads are, but there you go. Ceoil22:25, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
OK: First of all don't name drop, if Kings and Queens stayed there say who and when. "throughout the centuries" is naff (there have only been 2 centuries anyway) Mary II died before both house and painting were created, is is unlikely to have rested her crowned head there. The story actually relates to Mary wife of George V, and the most likely reason the painting was put in the attic was not because it may offend her, but they wanted it out of her sight because she was likely to nick it! Hostesses dreaded her descending to stay because she used to say "my eyes are caressing that object" over and over until good manners forced then to give it to her, by which time she normally had it off the wall, and half way back to London, anyway. Giano (talk) 22:33, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
Thanks, thats very interesting, and not a little amusing. I'll do a bit more research before I add agian. Ceoil22:37, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
Hello Giano. I have reverted a recent comment on yours because it "outs" another editor who chose to change accounts for a justifiable reason. Please don't do that. Feel free to reinstate the comment without that particular piece of information if you would like. Rockpocket16:56, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
Oh Kittybrewster here that was just an inspired guess, he was calling himself the milkman the other day, one never know where one is with that duplicitious crew, and don't tell me what to do!Giano (talk) 18:51, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
I have re-reverted. Consider this an official warning that if you do that again you may be blocked until you agree to stop outing editors. I am not messing around, Giano. You may think you are being clever, but you are not in possession of all the facts. Please stop it. Rockpocket18:59, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
How can I out without a checkuser, any fool can see - you want a fight you can have one, but i doubt it will get Lauder back! This gang use multiple accounts to argue their own ends all the time! Giano (talk) 19:02, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
It seems to me that when things get too boring and drama-less we can always count that if 1=2 is not around, Rockpocket would be happy to replace him to inflame things by blowing up every issue related to Giano through escalating provocations, warnings and block threats. Why can't these two just leave it to others to patrol Giano escapes me. --Irpen19:12, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
Everyone loves blocks of established editors without consensus to do so. Maybe there will be a desysoping this time around. Still, I doubt it. HiDrNick! 19:21, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
Of course, It would be too much to ask Giano to quit agitating whenever the fancy takes him. Perhaps, instead of blaming me, you might ask Giano why he can't leave it to others to patrol Lauder et al?
Anyway. Giano, as everyone can now see have blocked you indefinitely. The moment you agree to stop naming editors who have the right to anonymous editing, I will unblock (or any other admin can too). Just to let you know, feel free to respond with as much outrage you can muster and try and turn this into another Arb/admin-bashing brouhaha if you want, but I ain't buying it. Its simple: stop naming editors who have a good reason to edit anonymously, and you get unblocked. Rockpocket19:22, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
I suggest you unblock now because Giano has done nothing like out another editor - this was a bad bad block, please put it right. Ryan Postlethwaite19:23, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
No way, unblocking is enough to "put it right". Rockpocket has been a hassle long enough with misuse of admin tools. With an abuse so obvious, do we still need an arbcom to desysop? --Irpen19:29, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
Yes, unless rocket goes on a blocking spree of all giano's non admin friends and admirers such that it becomes an 'emergency', it will take a full hearing. And therefore very unlikely. --Rocksanddirt (talk) 19:32, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
Am I bothered? It seems I am supposed to be psychic, and some odd deal has been cooked up to allow Kittybrewster to edit as someone else, but seeing as this crew do this all the time without official sanction, I fail to see what has changed. Considering, I made the edit at least 48 hours ago without a problem, I wonder what has changed so suddenly? Perhaps Sussexman has permission to edit here also with a different name. All very curious! Perhaps Rockpocket would like to enlighten us as to what exactly is going on. Giano (talk) 19:25, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
I agree with Giano, what is going on? Random snarkyness gets an indef block? why am I still here then? I join Ryan in asking you to undo the block. --Rocksanddirt (talk) 19:27, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
Concur with Ryan. All I am seeing is a bunch of usernames mentioned in Giano's post, all of them known Misplaced Pages editors, at least two of them being known sockpuppeters. Not quite sure where this came from, Rockpocket...three days after the fact, as well. Risker (talk) 19:28, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
Oh I think Rockpocket has been seduced and beguiled by what is laughingly referred to as the noveau monde! It will transpire to be a huge mistake for him. He needs to appreciate a fine sherry and leave the cheap champagne alone. Giano (talk) 19:32, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
Rudget, I respectfully request that you do not unblock, and I suspect that Giano II will agree: Rockpocket has given himself more than enough rope here, and we're all curious to see what he's going to do with it. HiDrNick! 19:42, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
Not sufficient. Identifying one account as a "sockpuppet" of another account is not by any stretch "outing" an editor, as the Wikipedism has it. Since User:Rockpocket is perfectly aware that "outing" an editor specifically means identifying an editor's actual real-life name, "outing" in this case is a misuse of the vocabulary, perhaps a conscious one. Surely this was not an intentional effort to intensify a toxic atmosphere. One would expect an admission of error here on the part of an editor with a sense of honesty. --Wetman (talk) 19:39, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
Thanks Wetman, something very odd is going on here. veru od indeed. I have had an email informing me that User: Kittbrewster "has permission to edit anonymously" who has given this permission - and why? Why is this "Berks" allowed with "permission" to argue for Sussexman's return? I think we should be told! Giano (talk) 19:43, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
