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List of University of Oxford people

I am not very technically minded so I'm not quite sure where this ought to be or whether people will see it where I originally posted it.

I've been steadily expanding and improving the page List of University of Oxford people, and since there haven't been any disputes about changes I've made I assume visitors to the page have agreed that they have been for the better.

One thing that needs to be done to keep the page looking good and functioning usefully is checking that new additions are made in the format that has been adopted so far. You would think that the current format would be easy to follow, but people do seem to be rather careless. Eg the person who helpfully added John Wordsworth (a 19th-century bishop of Salisbury) placed him at the very end of the list rather than in the category, "Other bishops". He/she also contributed the information that Wordsworth had been at Brasenose, but it was odd that, given this information, he/she didn't amend the article on Wordsworth, which, quite wrongly, had him as a sometime student and fellow of Trinity College, Cambridge.

Another task (which I am sure nobody relishes!) would be looking at the articles for the individual people listed and checking that they have all been categorised, "Alumni/Fellows of Qwerty College, Oxford" (or a general university category if the college, or status as alumnus/a or fellow, is not known).

I've tried to concentrate on adding people who seem particularly worth including, such as bishops, peers, and MPs. With MPs I've been searching by entering "UK MPs 19**-19**" Oxford site:en.wikipedia.org in Google, working back chronologically, to date as far back as the beginning of the 1974-79 cohort. MPs who are better known for something else should, I think, go under that category (eg Ronald King Murray, Lord Murray (Jesus) seemed to be more important as a Senator of the College of Justice and a former Lord Advocate than as an MP). However, they should be added to the running total of the number of MPs inlcuded on the page, except for those who subsequently became peers, in which case they are added to the number of peers (now mostly barons and baronesses, making no distinction for the purpose between hereditary and life peers).

I know there has been some discussion of whether this list should include former students only or also members of the academic staff, but I have considered that it ought to include anyone who has had a connection with the university, especially by matriculation, having an Oxford degree, or being a fellow of a college (these definitions may be somewhat elastic, especially as one delves back into the Middle Ages). If we only inlcuded former students it would mean creating a separate list for academic staff, and that would mean a lot of repetition, since many, if not most, Oxford dons were also students there. This mixed approach seems to be the policy adopted by pages such as List of Harvard University people and List of University of Cambridge members. This approach also reflects the fact that membership of the university is for life: for new students, by matriculation; for graduates, by taking a degree; and for non-Oxonian dons, by admission to the degree of MA (if not by incorporation of a Cambridge or Dublin degree). (This difference between Oxford and my other university, London, is illustrated by the fact that I can enter the Bodleian and attend lectures at Oxford in perpetuity, free of charge, whereas I am not entitled to similar use of such facilities at the University of London; in this way Oxford resembles a family, while London resembles a supermarket).

What we do not want to do is include people who have been honoured by the university, or one of its colleges, or who have held a purely ceremonial role. The page List of University of Bristol people at one time including Winston Churchill. Given that the page begins, "This page collects together some of the more notable among the alumni of the University of Bristol", this was actually false information. However, even if it included members of university staff as well I don't think the Chancellor should really be included. The List of University of Cambridge members does not include the Duke of Edinburgh, and nor do I believe anybody would think that it should. In practice this issue does not arise with Oxford because its ceremonial officers have tended to be Oxonians anyway.

There does not seem to be a list of the Chancellors of Oxford.--Oxonian2006 18:49, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

"List of people associated with..."

Oriel and Jesus both have lists of people associated with them, but the titles are of different forms. Is there a general opinion on which form they ought to take, and if so, could we standardise this? Cheers. Cricketgirl 20:11, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Agreed a common title form would be preferable. The Oriel page (List of Oriel College people) existed first, but I didn't want to call the Jesus page "List of Jesus College people" as this would be ambiguous (as there's a Jesus College in some other place, apparently!). "List of Jesus College, Oxford people" or "List of Jesus College (Oxford) people" seemed clumsy, as did "List of Jesus College people (Oxford)" etc. "List of people associated with Jesus College, Oxford" is a bit long-winded, perhaps, but was the clearest option I could think of at the time. I didn't feel sufficiently confident about the title that I wanted to switch the Oriel page's location though. Casper Gutman 20:12, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

When it was first created the Oriel list was at List of notable Oriel College people but as no-one should be included in the list who isn't notable anyway, I thought that was overkill and moved it to the more inclusive List of Oriel College people to be able to include the honorary fellows and provosts and some of the known Academics. I won't mind moving pages if consensus forms on a good name set for the pages.--Alf 09:37, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

I intend to start work on the Brasenose College page, and will use the Jesus page as my main guide. Jonathan A Jones 08:27, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Article statistics

I've just rated almost all of the unassessed articles, and it's very disheartening to return to the main page to find the 'Unassessed' articles tally still at 66. Is there no way of coding things so that the table shows the true number of articles in the various stages of quality and importance? Cricketgirl 20:47, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Is'nt it done with a bot? You might have to wait a day or so for the bot to update it. --Bduke 23:34, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Yup, it's done by a bot -- see Misplaced Pages:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team/Using_the_bot. If you've updated a good many assessment scores (which you had -- congrats and thanks!) and want to run the bot early, as it were, you can go to this page and enter "University of Oxford" in the box before hitting submit. Otherwise it'll run at 3:00 am UTC, apparently. Casper Gutman 20:17, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Academic "boosterism"

Oxford is sufficiently prestigious that there should be no need to resort to academic "boosterism.

And yet on the same page:

As of March 2007, it seems that Oxford is not especially well covered on Misplaced Pages by comparison with some other (dare I say lesser) institutions

While it might not be academic boosterism, perhaps "boasterism" is a better description ;D —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jamesmh2006 (talk • contribs) 06:09, Apr 3, 2007 (UTC).

Ouch! Point taken, sorry. In my defence, I think there's a key difference between the NPOV expected in the main article namespace and what is acceptable in the WP: space on a project page for those with an interest in a particular institution. Still, I think you're quite correct to remove that bit -- thanks. Casper Gutman 08:22, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes no hard feelings, I recognise it's a project page however I still felt it was slightly disrespectful to other institutions. Don’t suppose you mind if I join the project do you? Although not an Oxonian, I am a member of WikiProject Universities and have contributed to a number of Oxford University related articles and I am keen to contribute further in the future. --Jamesmh2006 09:45, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

It would be great if you joined the project. It can only be a healthy thing to have someone with a truly neutral POV on board, rather than just a lot of Oxonians trying to pretend..... Welcome! Casper Gutman 10:31, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

St Mary's

Would University Church of St Mary the Virgin be included in the project's coverage, it did play a substantial part in the early days of the University.--Alf 22:39, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

I think it certainly should be included in the project's coverage. I would add that it continues to play a substantial part in the life of the university, though I suspect that it is rather under-appreciated.

Does anybody know where I would find the text of the prayers said before the University Sermon (printed on real paper or online)?--Oxonian2006 23:03, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

They are a slight adaptation of the usual form from the canon of the Church of England. I believe the print version is prepared by Gary Crocker (he may be able to give you the text if you email him (firstname.lastname) at admin (dot) ox (dot) ac (dot) uk or write to him at Wellington Square.--Alf 17:06, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I was particularly fond of the bit that goes something like, "...and I am especially bounden to exhort you to pray for ".--Oxonian2006 17:36, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Jesus College & Good Articles

consolidated from User_talk:AulaTPN and User_talk:Casper Gutman

Count me in! I'll surf the project pages to see which articles need some attention. AulaTPN 13:05, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Welcome to the project! I think an early objective of the project should be the improvement of the main University page to at least Good Article standard, as I'd be willing to bet it gets read as often as several dozen of the other project pages put together! However, I've not had any experience of the Good Article nomination process so I thought nominating a few of the college pages might be an easier way to start and useful experience. I have a personal interest in the Jesus article (and recently put it up for peer review), but I think it's only one of several college articles that could easily be WP:GA candidates. Casper Gutman

I think it would be useful to identify a shortlist of a few articles that are close to meeting the criteria. I suppose ideally they should be high on the project's importance rating scale too. Any personal favourites? Casper Gutman 21:36, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Obviously I have a vested interest in the St Edmund Hall article and am currently working to get that up to a level fit for GA nomination but I also have no experience of the Good Article process. The Jesus article looks like an excellent candidate to start the process rolling. Lurking around other projects on Wiki I think we should establish our own guidelines for what components a college article must have before it can be considered for nomination and even set out a template ordering. At a minimum I'd say we needed:

• 1 History
• 2 Coat of Arms
• 3 Location and Buildings
• 4 Student life
• 5 College Silverware
• 6 College Graces
• 7 People associated with the College
  • 7.1 Current Tutors and Fellows
  • 7.2 Notable Alumni
  • 7.3 Other Notable Figures
• 8 Notes & references
• 9 External links

• A completed Oxford College Infobox (name, latin name, motto, scarf, shield, figures, etc...)
• At least one high-quality image of the college, preferrably one of the main facade/entrance and one of the main quad.
• A picture of the Head of House/Principal/Master perhaps?
• It would also be really nice if we could rustle up a stanard map of the city over which we could indicate the position of the college.

what do you think? I think it would be a helpful process to establish requirements like these for other classes of article in the project and to then set those guidelines out in a specific project page for members to reference. Other than that, how would you like to proceed with the nomination process for Jesus? AulaTPN 08:15, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Sounds a good idea to have some project-specific requirements/aspirations for articles about colleges. Some of the specific requirements you list might not be appropriate for all the colleges, e.g. will all colleges have silverware that's sufficiently notable? I particularly like the idea of a map; what area would it ideally cover? We'd want most of the colleges to lie in the area covered, but a few might have to be left out — Templeton for one, but what about e.g. St. Hugh's? Pictures of Heads of House might be tricky to get under open licences; could we justify using images from e.g. college websites as fair use?

Proceeding with WP:GA on Jesus (or any other article) will need to involve:

• adding any sections that are missing, unless there's a good reason not to;
• making sure there aren't any obvious missing references;
• nominating the article;
• dealing with any objections raised by reviewers.

At least, such is my understanding.... Casper Gutman 11:12, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

That's a very good point, perhaps the section should be loosened to College Assets, College Artifacts or even College Assets & Artifacts? That could even provide scope for including information on their reported endowments.

As far as the map goes, I can remember from my days as an undergrad, that there was a very good map floating around on the OUCS servers; I've found a low-res version on the Biophys servers . I was thinking we would cover much the same area - central oxford - and in a similar but cleaner style. I'll look for a better version and, failing that, crack out a prototype for comment. As far as Templeton and such... I think we'd probably have to cheat and either not have a map or create custom maps. Of course we could actually solve it by having 'local area' maps for each college with a link to a much bigger, all-inclusive map (although Templeton would still be a problem). User:Durin is an expert on fair use images. I can get in touch and seek advice about that if you like?

Good idea to ask someone more experienced re. fair use images. I had a few thoughts of my own on the map idea, and agree we'll most likely need to cheat for out-of-centre locations. I've been kicking a few map ideas around at User:Casper Gutman/Sandbox, if anyone would like to look. Thoughts? Casper Gutman 14:42, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Maps

There was some talk (above) about adding maps to articles; I've tried implementing something to add a map to the infobox by providing latitude/longitude data on the article pages -- see Jesus College, Oxford for an example. I'm not entirely happy with the way the infobox looks with the map just now though, to be honest -- it seems a little cluttered. Any thoughts on (1) whether the map is useful and (2) how it could be made to look a bit more at home in the infobox would be greatly appreciated! Casper Gutman 16:43, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Chancellors

Can anyone add to the List of Chancellors of the University of Oxford? There doesn't appear to be any complete list on the internet that I could find. The current list was culled from Google and may be apocryphal in places... Ian Cairns 08:27, 30 April 2007 (UTC) (Exonian, not Oxonian)

An hour on Google can save a few minutes in a library (-: I've added the (many!) Chancellors from the 13th century using the out-of-copyright Historical register of the University of Oxford and hope to get round to adding the remainder. Omassey 13:00, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Infobox

Noticing the recent changes on the Template:Oxford College Infobox, I wonder if a new format could include a super-heading as with the Isaac Asimov article (apt, as I've just been editing it :)), the Science Fiction Writer link could be links to The colleges of Oxford University, have I capitalised those right :s ? .--Alf 20:31, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Sounds a good idea, Alf! Maybe we can omit the definite article though: Colleges of Oxford University is shorter and also avoids any need to think about whether to capitalise "college" or not! Casper Gutman 07:26, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Works for me! I must admit I did like the overall style of the new template but I'm wondering whether there's scope to expand the template such that the Oxford Blue bar at the top can be coloured to the primary college colour.... (runs and ducks for cover) AulaTPN 07:59, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Ouch, my watchlist has just been splatted :p nice work Casper. AulaTPN, you're right to run and duck for cover... :) --Alf 10:02, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

As Alf's spotted, I've reinstated the new style for the template and fiddled about with the name parameters a bit. This is discussed at Template talk:Oxford College Infobox. I really ought to write some basic documentation for the infobox template some time, or at least a list of the parameters and how they should be used. Of course, if anyone else is looking for a way to pass their time....... Casper Gutman 10:48, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

←The version I'm looking at now looks really good across the pages I've sampled, nice stuff boys and girls.--Alf 20:30, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Well Alf... I couldn't resist! I've added support for the primary college colour. If you wish to leave modify the background colour for the template then add the primary_colour parameter to the infobox: e.g. adding "primary_colour = #801213" give the following result at SEH. If you do not supply the parameter then it defaults to Oxford blue. Now if I could just sort out the damned vertical alignment in the table cells... AulaTPN 21:39, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Changed the borders to be in the primary_colour too, as some of the colours didn't look so good with the blue borders IMHO. If we ever get round to documenting the infobox template we should note that primary_colour should be dark. Casper Gutman 14:55, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Nice stuff Casper. I don't think it will be a problem as (off the top of my head) I can't think of any Ox colleges whose main colour wasn't fairly dark. AulaTPN 19:44, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

St Stephen's House Infobox

I added an infobox to the St Stephen's House page. If anyone knows any of the missing info, please add it! For example, anyone know who the JCR president might be? I assumed the college was named after St Stephen, but maybe it was one of the others. Casper Gutman 08:54, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Domitianus

Not strictly within the project remit, I know, but could someone go to the Ashmolean and take a photo of the Domitianus coin, to replace Image:Domitianus coin.jpg, which may soon be deleted for not being fair use. Thanks! Neddyseagoon - talk 13:38, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

List of University of Oxford people

I have made a start, a slow start, at converting the current list into a sortable table format. List of Dartmouth College alumni is a Featured List and shows how interesting and useful an alumni list can be, rather than just a plain list as we have at present. Anyone else care to help? Discussion welcome. Bencherlite 22:06, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

List of people associated with Jesus College, Oxford

Having put my previous project (see above post) on hold for a bit, I've tackled this page and put it into sortable table format, complete with dates (as many as I could find) and references. There are other Jesus College alumni / fellows in the relevant categories yet to be included in this list: feel free to add them, but preferably with dates and references. Also, I'd welcome comments on the layout etc. I'll take it to Peer review later too, but feedback there would appear to be slow. Thanks, Bencherlite 22:41, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Actually, decided to skip the backlog and go straight for Featured List status (there being no intermediate stage of "Good List"). All further improvements welcomed. Bencherlite 15:56, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Wow! You've put quite some work into that page, Bencherlite, and it's looking amazing. Well done! Casper Gutman 07:02, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. As you've noted elsewhere, it's now a Featured List. Now, which college shall I do next...? Bencherlite 03:28, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

List of Chancellors & nav boxes

List of Chancellors of the University of Oxford needs some tweaking, particularly for the dates of Chancellors between 1867 and 1933.

I've added the academic nav boxes for the last four Chancellors - one the dates for earlier ones are confirmed these can go on all articles.

For those who want to help with this, the code for (to pick one at random) E. F. L. Wood, 1st Earl of Halifax is:

{{s-aca}}

{{succession box|title=]|years=1933–1959|before=]|after=]}}

(Please note that the name for a predecessor should be their title when they finished in post and the successor should be when they start in post. So the 1960-1986 Chancellor is listed as "Harold Macmillan" on Halifax's box, but "Earl of Stockton" on Roy Jenkins's box (Macmillan wasn't enobled until 1984).)

And displays as follows:

If there are no other position nav boxes then add {{start box}} at the beginning and {{end}} at the end. Timrollpickering 11:37, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Chancellor elections

University of Oxford Chancellor election, 1925 has been created. Details on the other Chancellor elections would be useful. Timrollpickering 11:20, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

There's a further one at University of Oxford Chancellor election, 1987. Timrollpickering 11:41, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Talk:University of Oxford

I've archived discussion at this page from February - August of this year, since one section constituted inappropriate use of talk pages (re selection process). I also templated the user initiating that inappropriate discussion (warning since blanked, instead of archived...). Coldmachine 08:39, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Discussion about the page length of List of University of Oxford people

There is a discussion underway at Talk:List of University of Oxford people#Very long about sorting out the enormous length of this list. All views welcome. Bencherlite 10:33, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Oriel College, or Oriel College, Oxford?

There is a discussion - well, it would be a discussion if anyone replied! - about the best name for the article about Oriel. Please stop by at Talk:Oriel College#Oriel College, or Oriel College, Oxford? if you get a chance. Bencherlite 12:42, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Userboxes/Education/United Kingdom/University of Oxford

• Misplaced Pages:Userboxes/Education/United Kingdom/University of Oxford

I have several concerns with the edits to Oxford College useboxes that have been made recently:-

1. All except Oriel are fair use images which can not be used on user pages. I am not certain whether the justification for the Oriel crest being fair use is correct.
2. The use of terms such as "Balliolian" are not really standard, and I do not think there is consensus to replace terms such as "studied at Balliol College", "belongs to Balliol College" or "graduated from Balliol College" with that term.
3. Two of the earlier templates have been deleted, when there is no consensus to change them.

I am tempted to revert right back and restore the former Oriel and Pembroke userboes, but I'll leave them for comment here, particularly from User:Pizza1512 who made all but one of the recent changes. --Bduke 22:36, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

I share your concerns. User:Pizza1512 is re-creating many Ox userboxes and badly and against the userbox migration solution. Also he's attempting to subvert the speedy delete process. I'm seriously thinking about making a report on the admin incident noticeboard. Aula 22:38, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

This guy is doing it all over the place. Taking an established template, creating a really bad copy, replacing all references to the original then having it deleted. I've undone as much damage as I can and requested the resurrection of the old templates. I'm now going to place a notice on the admin board because this is just disruptive and ridiculous. Aula 22:55, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Good idea. I managed to undo his changes to the Wadham templates before the category got speedily deleted (out of process, as it wouldn't have been empty for 4 days), but a couple of other colleges weren't so fortunate, judging by the redlinks. Pizza1512 has previously been warned about fair-use images in userboxes, incidentally. Bencherlite 23:00, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, you can see my complaint here Aula 23:08, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

I did, and added to it here. Bencherlite 23:16, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

I have undeleted the Oriel and Pembroke templates.--Bduke 23:27, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

• I have just reverted a change made to the main {{user oxon}} template by the same user, and issued a warning about blanking/removing content to his/her user talk page. Coldmachine 08:42, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

University of Oxford has been nominated for Good Article status

So keep your eyes open for ways to improve the article; if the article isn't a straight "pass", then the reviewer should leave comments on the talk page to work through. Bencherlite 08:28, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Christchurch College, Cambridge?

(Cross-posted from WP:RD/H) I am working on a new biographical article partially sourced from this book chapter from 1890. The second sentence says Thomas Jones graduated from "Christchurch College, Cambridge". What is that? The only English Christchurch College I see is Christ Church, Oxford not Cambridge. The closest Cambridge match I see is Christ's College, Cambridge but that appears far less prominent than the Oxford college and is not called Christchurch. Can anyone help determine which to link to? —Wknight94 (talk) 11:23, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

The Dictionary of National Biography (online, subscription access) says Christ's College, Cambridge. Omassey 11:49, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

So do Christ Church and Christ's College need 'see also' links? Omassey 12:04, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Good idea. Bencherlite 18:41, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

I cant see the point of diluting the impact of the Christ's College article with a link to an Oxford college, apparently to help some one who has got stumped by an incorrect reference in a 1890 book. Although I have encountered other examples of attributing colleges to the wrong University, I don't think an encyclopedia need use up space to make a link to help solve such occasional problems. I will remove the link on the Christ's College page, but I would not presume to intefer with what the members of this project do for another place! BTW keep up the good work boys your institution do deserve good articles. Op. Deo 22:34, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

GA on hold for University of Oxford

Talk:University of Oxford#GA on hold lists the points raised by the assessor, if anybody is interested in trying to help. Bencherlite 13:08, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

It passed, incidentally. Bencherlite 07:57, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

College lists

College lits sof almuni and fellows are out of hand. They are just so long and it is completely unnecessary. Unless someone else sorts them all out first, I will remove everyone without a Misplaced Pages page. No exceptions. I will then cut down the number of people on the page, with their own pages, to a more sensible and minimalistic number.

N.B. I have no idea who most, if any, of these people are and so I may well only leave in a bunch of nobodies. It would be best, from this point of view, if people with knowledge of these alumni and fellows got there first. asyndeton 23:08, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

I think the best course of action is to make sure there is a category for alumni and one for fellows for each college. Then link to that and delete the whole list. That means anyone with an article can be found from the category. Anyone without an article probably should not be in the article anyway as nobody knows if they are notable. If notability is clear, write a stub to get it going. --Bduke 23:14, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

That's a good start. But me writing a stud is out of the question; like I said, I know nothing of 99% of these people. asyndeton 23:19, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

I did not mean you specifically to write a stub. I meant anyone who sees a redlink disappear for someone they know is notable. --Bduke 03:25, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

I think it is time for the cull to begin. asyndeton 17:02, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

I have no problem with deleting redlinked names in the absence of a reference showing notability that could be used to write an article about them. (E.g. yesterday I removed a redlink from Brasenose's list which had been speedily deleted as non-notable and probably was a student's vanity page.) However, if the list of names in a college article is too long, the answer is to create a stand-alone annotated list article (e.g. Template:FA List of people associated with Jesus College, Oxford, or List of Balliol College people) and then mention just a few names in the main article as a "taster" (e.g. Jesus College, Oxford#People associated with the College) rather than deleting the whole list and linking to the categories. A short section noting prominent former students and fellows has a place in a college's article. Bencherlite 17:30, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

I have just removed all fellows and alumni that do not have their own page. I do agree that the solution to long lists of people with their own pages is not deletion and your suggestion would be a good idea; however every real person on List of people associated with Jesus College, Oxford has their own page and so people who don't have their own shouldn't be revived if these lists are created. It is also worth noting that Oriel College, Oxford is a featured article and only has two very small paragraphs on 'People associated with the college,' not the endless lists you find on other pages. asyndeton 18:16, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

The section about Oriel people links to List of Oriel College people.--Alf 15:24, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

"people who don't have their own shouldn't be revived if these lists are created." I entirely agree, and well done for your clean-up of the college articles. Bencherlite 18:56, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

While I agree wholeheartedly with your sentiments on this, the danger of the list being blindly edited in this way is that, while cruft does get removed, some important figures will also be axed as just happened with St Edmund Hall. While Emden and Kelley don't have their own pages they are largely responsible for the continued existence of the college in its present state. I don't feel it would be particularly difficult to assert their notability as they are both well-published academics (I believe one of Emden's works is even cited in the article). I've added those two entries back in to the list - if consensus deems it necessary to justify their inclusion then I will work on adding their own articles. Aula 09:20, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

These two do sound important, but I am still uncomfortable with having people who don't have their own article in a list of notable people. I think it sets a dangerous precedent. Oriel College, Oxford only lists seven people by name in the 'People associated with the College' section, one of them is Sir Walter Raleigh and two of the others are Nobel prize winners. I feel this is a model that all colleges should follow and, as a consequence of this, even Emden and Kelly wouldn't be in the article. -- asyndeton (talk) 18:08, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Articles that have large sections should have those sections spun off into their own articles leaving a summary in its place per Misplaced Pages:Summary style.--Alf 15:33, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

It's a valid point. I'll get to work gathering material for articles on both - I should probably have made them before now but I'm just to lazy! ;-) Aula 22:15, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Photographs of colleges and PPHs

I've added photos to the infoboxes for Blackfriars, St Antony's College and St Benet's Hall.

We still need photos of Green College, St Hilda's College, Campion Hall, St Stephen's House and Wycliffe Hall (and Templeton College if anyone fancies going out there before it moves to the centre of Oxford). Omassey (talk) 15:04, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Oxbridge userboxes

Better take a look at User:Lady Aleena/User Oxbridge and comments on its talk page at User talk:Lady Aleena/User Oxbridge. They would replace all the existing College and University userboxes. It a bit painful as Lady Aleena really does not know much about Oxford or the other place. --Bduke (talk) 01:43, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, I was initially quite ambivolent regarding this but I really neither like how they look nor the idea of this sweeping an amalgamation. I'd rather we stuck to the many individual userboxes which have cropped up around the project. Aula 15:43, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Foster's Alumni Oxonienses

I have recently discovered that my work library has a copy of Foster's Alumni Oxonienses, which lists matriculation/graduation records for Oxford students from 1500 to 1886. If you'd like me to check names for you, let me know and I'll see what I can do. Bencherlite 12:26, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Cambridge Featured List

Colleges of the University of Cambridge is now a Featured List. Anyone interested in helping to get Colleges of the University of Oxford to that status? Bencherlite 12:26, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

The Bullingdon Club

I have read about this club on numerous occasions ever since Cameron and his pals were revealed to be former members and it got me wondering whether or not the club is still in existence? Have any of you who are or were at Oxford ever come across them or heard stories about them? Are the clubs members well known on campus? I’m hoping to apply to Oxford (Christ Church) next year and was just curious to find out whether such clubs still existed and how prevalent they were on campus. Thanks. 79.77.210.106 (talk) 03:14, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Assessment spree

I have embarked on a major spree of assessing article qualities and importances. I have tried to follow precedents where they exist. Let me know if I've made any major errors! Jonathan A Jones (talk) 11:15, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Need a photograph of Alister McGrath

Can someone at the university please take a photograph(s) of McGrath? Richard001 (talk) 09:18, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

There's a copyrighted one on Flickr; I've sent an email to the photographer asking him to release under a Creative Commons licence. Bencherlite 10:23, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Changes to the WP:1.0 assessment scheme

As you may have heard, we at the Misplaced Pages 1.0 Editorial Team recently made some changes to the assessment scale, including the addition of a new level. The new description is available at WP:ASSESS.

• The new C-Class represents articles that are beyond the basic Start-Class, but which need additional references or cleanup to meet the standards for B-Class.
• The criteria for B-Class have been tightened up with the addition of a rubric, and are now more in line with the stricter standards already used at some projects.
• A-Class article reviews will now need more than one person, as described here.

Each WikiProject should already have a new C-Class category at Category:C-Class_articles. If your project elects not to use the new level, you can simply delete your WikiProject's C-Class category and clarify any amendments on your project's assessment/discussion pages. The bot is already finding and listing C-Class articles.

Please leave a message with us if you have any queries regarding the introduction of the revised scheme. This scheme should allow the team to start producing offline selections for your project and the wider community within the next year. Thanks for using the Misplaced Pages 1.0 scheme! For the 1.0 Editorial Team, §hepBot (Disable) 21:30, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Suggest Arcayne (talk · contribs) to join WikiProject:University of Oxford

I think this project could possibly use the help of the Editor Arcayne (talk · contribs). He has not one, but Two, degrees from Oxford - has written several books and has made just a hair under Eighteen Thousand edits in 22 months at Wiki.

As he has invoked the "Superior Authority" of his multiple Oxford degrees and education on numerous occasions to defend and enshrine his edits in Misplaced Pages and to eliminate the need for discussion, perhaps he could be of some use here - building the entry for his alma mater. Surely an American 'emergency responder', author, 18,000 count wiki Editor, and pedigreed intellectual with the rare accomplishment of two Oxford post graduate degrees would be of special use to the project.

"With respect, I went to Oxford, so i am fairly well aware of Brit English...penultimate being the climax of the story." - Arcayne

"Regarding the 'penultimate' stuff - not worries - as I said, it's just a word. I always thought is was used as next to the end, as in right before the ending. A slightly different meaning has become popular, like how the original phrase "buck naked" (meaning, naked as a male deer) becoming mispronounced so often that now people say "butt-naked". It would render me a crabby old man to decry the loss of the word meanings. It was also make me something of a jerk. Words evolve. - Arcayne 14:34, 3 July 2008"

"I did attend Oxford. I did graduate from there with the two degrees I have previously noted" - Arcayne

These are the two degrees Arcayne previously noted:

the EU is not a single nation, nor is the UN or UAE. They are actually something called NGO's, or non-governmental organizations. - Arcayne

The EU is nothing BUT a governmental organization. Its purpose is to politically unite the countries within the European Community. ... it is a united entity. Ditto the UAE. Kapowow

Are you seriously trying to suggest that the EU is not an NGO? ... If you consider me throwing my political science and international relations degrees at you to be derogatory, then I have to say that I am sorry you feel that way. I am not a potted plant; I know the policies of which I speak,'' ... - Arcayne

I trust the Project will be the better, as has Misplaced Pages in general, with such a confident and industrious Oxonian on board.75.57.205.135 (talk) 19:32, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

• NA-Class University of Oxford pages
• NA-importance University of Oxford pages
• NA-Class University of Oxford (colleges) pages
• WikiProject University of Oxford articles