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| Hello Aviousours76. Thanks for your message. I would like to respond by saying that I don't feel at all comfortable with the way you are dealing with the issue of nationality on the JL page. Differences in opinion is always the reason for a spirited debate—and you made your opinion uncompromisingly clear—but to reach a consensus you need to flesh out the facts. So far all that we have read from you is that JL is English because of some of his song lyrics, and flags and songs at his recent stage appearances. This is flimsy at best by comparison with the fact that JL has an indisputably strong Irish background (and left his English shores a long time ago). You are trying to weaken these arguments by saying that they've been included by a rogue editor, or that my attempt at changing the nationality to the more inclusive "British" (which in common connotation encompasses the whole of the British Isles) has only so far got weak support. However, you're the only one changing it back, and I note that your account seems to serve the sole purpose to hack it out with other contributors over this issue. And in doing so you have repeatedly violated the ]. So I'm sorry to say, but I don't see in you a credible and conscientious contributor who can really bring an open mind and objective opinion to the table. Should it occur that formerly invisible editors will soon also jump on this dispute and support your view, I'd now be very skeptical and probing of their identity—so if anything, with the way you've moved on this issue you've actually hurt your own case. In light of all this, I would like to ask you to follow TRR and stop reverting the entry, which at present has the approval of two contributors. Btw, I'm neither British nor Irish, so I believe that I have a comparatively fair and balanced view on this issue. Thanks. ] (]) 22:27, 25 July 2008 (UTC) | |||
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Hello Aviousours76. Thanks for your message. I would like to respond by saying that I don't feel at all comfortable with the way you are dealing with the issue of nationality on the JL page. Differences in opinion is always the reason for a spirited debate—and you made your opinion uncompromisingly clear—but to reach a consensus you need to flesh out the facts. So far all that we have read from you is that JL is English because of some of his song lyrics, and flags and songs at his recent stage appearances. This is flimsy at best by comparison with the fact that JL has an indisputably strong Irish background (and left his English shores a long time ago). You are trying to weaken these arguments by saying that they've been included by a rogue editor, or that my attempt at changing the nationality to the more inclusive "British" (which in common connotation encompasses the whole of the British Isles) has only so far got weak support. However, you're the only one changing it back, and I note that your account seems to serve the sole purpose to hack it out with other contributors over this issue. And in doing so you have repeatedly violated the TRR. So I'm sorry to say, but I don't see in you a credible and conscientious contributor who can really bring an open mind and objective opinion to the table. Should it occur that formerly invisible editors will soon also jump on this dispute and support your view, I'd now be very skeptical and probing of their identity—so if anything, with the way you've moved on this issue you've actually hurt your own case. In light of all this, I would like to ask you to follow TRR and stop reverting the entry, which at present has the approval of two contributors. Btw, I'm neither British nor Irish, so I believe that I have a comparatively fair and balanced view on this issue. Thanks. Malljaja (talk) 22:27, 25 July 2008 (UTC)