Misplaced Pages

Revision as of 07:46, 28 July 2008

March 2007

Welcome to Misplaced Pages. It might not have been your intention, but your recent contribution removed content from Cunt. Please be more careful when editing articles and do not remove content from Misplaced Pages without a good reason, which should be specified in the edit summary. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. If you would like to experiment again, please use the sandbox. Thank you. Gwernol 13:08, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Please do not add inappropriate external links to Misplaced Pages, as you did to Teaching English as a foreign language. Misplaced Pages is not a collection of links, nor should it be used for advertising or promotion. Inappropriate links include (but are not limited to) links to personal web sites, links to web sites with which you are affiliated, and links that attract visitors to a web site or promote a product. See the external links guideline and spam guideline for further explanations. Since Misplaced Pages uses nofollow tags, external links do not alter search engine rankings. If you feel the link should be added to the article, please discuss it on the article's talk page rather than re-adding it. Thank you. _GB 08:53, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

In answer to your question, I'm just another Misplaced Pages editor. You, however, seem to make it pretty clear through your actions that the primary reason that you edit Misplaced Pages is to promote ICAL. Just picking some at random, let's just have a look at all the times you've inserted the link, including the times that you've inserted a link to a seemingly unrelated page which cunningly redirects to the ICAL page. Bear in mind that that link will therefore have been removed the same number of times, and the majority of those times it was not removed by me but by others.

It's more a question, therefore, of why you ignore the consensus which appears to have emerged that the link shouldn't be in the article in your continual re-insertion of it. If you don't like a link, you've clearly shown that you know how to remove them, so remove them yourself..._GB 14:11, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

My motivation is to ensure that Misplaced Pages isn't subverted for commercial aims. There are strict guidelines on the contents of external links, and it's my view that the link you're inserting is in breach of those, and that's why I am continuing to revert your insertion. Whilst ostensibly the site you are linking to is a wiki, it promotes the courses offered by ICAL - the main page of the wiki has a big advert for "Get an ICAL TESL/TEFL Certificate completely online and teach English around the world! With ICAL, you can now qualify online to teach English for just $265 USD (£135 or €200)", and at the top of every page is the ICAL banner encouraging registration. In any event, there are only two accounts which have made any changes to the wiki over the last 30 days, and one of them is the administrator - that goes even further to making me think that it's not an appropriate site to be linking to.

The best thing in the long run for the site is that its content is inserted by those without a conflict of interest, from a WP:NPOV and without violating our policies on, amongst other things, spam. _GB 16:48, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your message. You know what? Comments like "I expect you're feeling very pleased with yourself", combined with the trolling behaviour I've had to put up with from you on the other talk pages, leave me pretty much disinclined to help you in any way whatsoever. I've pointed you in the direction of the relevant policies, so read them. Notability can't be created - you could copy the article on the most notable company in the world, but if ICAL isn't notable it isn't notable. Read WP:WEB, WP:CORP and WP:SCHOOL and do what you like. Oh, and don't forget this page on conflicts of interest, most importantly of all. _GB 08:44, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I didn't spend half a dozen posts saying it was being deleted because it was about an online company, I spent half a dozen posts telling you repeatedly that it did not satisfy the criteria of notability, and in particular the criteria of notability as they applied to online organisations / websites / blogs / etc. - in fact, my last post to the talk page before it was deleted said "Have you actually read and understood any of the comments above? None of them are predicated about its inclusion or not solely on the basis of whether it's an online organisation, but about notability, and specifically whether it satisfies the criteria of notability as they apply to websites. The giveaways are phrases like "there is no verified notability asserted whatsoever", "I am merely ensuring that non-notable ones aren't included", "non-notable organisations aren't allowed on Misplaced Pages"."

"I need to know what you mean by notability...it is rather a vague term". No, it's not, and I've linked you repeatedly to the relevant pages - they set out what Misplaced Pages has, by consensus, determined to be the relevant standards of notability. Here they are again - WP:WEB, WP:CORP and WP:SCHOOL. For the umpteenth time, if you think a page (such as the one you've linked to in your message) doesn't satisfy them, then you're free to nominate the page for deletion. _GB 10:11, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Read the original tag. You can find it at Template:Db-web - note in particular the wording This page may meet Misplaced Pages’s criteria for speedy deletion as an article about a web site, blog, web forum, webcomic, podcast, browser game, or similar web content that does not indicate the importance or significance of the subject.

I told you the article was out of place because it related to an online organisation that didn't assert the notability of the subject (note, not an online school, an online organisation). It wasn't because online organisations aren't allowed on Misplaced Pages, it's because any organisation, of whatever nature, that doesn't meet the criteria of notability should not be included. The article didn't assert any notability, that's why I flagged it, and that's why it was deleted.

If I prepare a page on ICAL following the style and content of the page on that other school, would that be acceptable as far as notability is concerned? - NO, it won't, and if you've actually bothered to read any of the links I've provided you with, you'd know that. Notability cannot be created - copying the content of another page won't go any distance towards establishing whether ICAL has any notability of its own or not. If ICAL is notable enough to merit inclusion, in accordance with the policies which I've pointed you at repeatedly above, then the article has to assert that notability and establish it through verifiable reliable sources...if it does that then the article will stay. If not, then it'll doubtless be deleted one way or another. If you want to have another stab at the page, create it as a sub-page of your userspace first, to give yourself time to work on bringing it up to scratch.

And that's as far as this, and indeed, any conversation between you and I, is going to go. As I've told you repeatedly, I've had enough of your trolling (irrespective of whether you may consider your actions trolling, that's what they amount to), so please stay off my talk page. Oh, and remember to read this policy on conflicts of interest. _GB 07:46, 28 July 2008 (UTC)