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Fatimah

Hi. All material should meet Misplaced Pages content policies and guidelines, including Misplaced Pages:Verifiability, Misplaced Pages:No original research, and Misplaced Pages:Neutral point of view. They all establish that sources must be of a reliable nature. Your insertions on Fatimah do not conform to these requirements, and I would suggest you take the matter to the talk page before reinserting the material further. Please look at the other sources in the article to get an idea of the standard required on Misplaced Pages. Thanks. ITAQALLAH 12:44, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Al-islam.org is a polemical, sectarian website with no verifiable reputation for fact-checking or accuracy. Citing sources is something any polemical website can do, as evidenced by answering-islam.org or ansar.org - that alone cannot make them reliable. In no way does it meet the specifications listed here. This isn't about "respecting beliefs" - it is about adhering to the sourcing standards required on Misplaced Pages. ITAQALLAH 17:21, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Your stance is also inconsistent, as you declare websites like "muslimphilosophy.com" unreliable, yet do not do the same for equally unreliable websites like "al-islam.org." ITAQALLAH 17:29, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

I should also notify you about the three revert rule. ITAQALLAH 17:35, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps you should respond to my above comment, else I will simply end up repeating what I've said above. Community consensus on Misplaced Pages is that websites like al-islam.org are not reliable sources. If you think it is a reliable sources, you should explain how it conforms to the specifications mentioned here:

• "Misplaced Pages articles should use reliable, third-party, published sources. Reliable sources are credible published materials with a reliable publication process; their authors are generally regarded as trustworthy or authoritative in relation to the subject at hand. "
• "Material that has been vetted by the scholarly community is regarded as reliable; this means published in peer-reviewed sources, and reviewed and judged acceptable scholarship by the academic journals."
• "The scholarly credentials of a source can be established by verifying the degree to which the source has entered mainstream academic discourse, for example by checking the number of scholarly citations it has received in google scholar or other citation indexes."

Evidently, websites like al-islam.org meet none of these requirements. Like I said, any religious polemical website can cite sources, but if no independent peer review system is in place, then it's pretty meaningless for our purposes. You can't just claim that websites like ansar.org are sectarian and polemical yet al-islam.org is not - that is not an objective perspective. ITAQALLAH 12:51, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

3RR vio

Enforcing Neutrality, you have violated the three revert rule, for which you may be blocked. I am giving you the oppurtunity to self revert to avoid that scenario, which I strongly recommend you do. ITAQALLAH 13:27, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Refer to WP:3RR: "An editor must not perform more than three reverts, in whole or in part, on a single page within a 24-hour period. A revert means undoing the actions of another editor, whether involving the same or different material each time." So it doesn't matter if the reverts aren't completely identical. In each case you reinserted the same passages, so they would count as reverts. Regards, ITAQALLAH 13:47, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Controversial sources

Salam Alaykum,

Some of the sources which you've used are reliable and some are not. Some of them are biased and some of them are primary sources. On the other hand I completely disagree with Itaqallah's interpretation about polemical and sectarian issues. Hwever there are many different ways to solve the problems like finding alternative academic sources. Therefor I suggest prohibiting exhausting and useless discussions. Whenever you find that you can't reach consensus put a POV or other tags on the article and leave it.--Seyyed(t-c) 02:03, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Enforcing Neutrality, enforcing neutrality is not always done by adding what you think is missing, but by also doing the extra work of finding sources no one can object to. When you use those sources, you will usually (but not always) have lower wikistress. You can get access to books online at books.google.com; select advance search and add "university" to the publication section. This way you get sources that are published by university presses. These sources are usually acceptable per WP:RS. You can also use jstor or other encyclopedias. Cheers, --Be happy!! (talk) 09:06, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

June 2008

Regarding your comments on Talk:Fatimah: Please see Misplaced Pages's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks will lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. Peter Deer (talk) 23:23, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

July 2008

EN, please. Why are you starting trouble with me? Your reverts of my reverts of vandalism are clearly just attempts to annoy me... I absolutely do not understand your hostility to me but please do not take it out on Misplaced Pages. Those are just obviously harassment and I will report you. Naahid بنت الغلان 02:40, 29 July 2008 (UTC)