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	I moved the article for the obscure soccer team to ], where it should have been all along. ] now has a disambiguation page with over two dozen things that people have a much higher likelihood of relevance. If anyone is digging a hole it is you since you seem to be on the attack.		I moved the article for the obscure soccer team to ], where it should have been all along. ] now has a disambiguation page with over two dozen things that people have a much higher likelihood of relevance. If anyone is digging a hole it is you since you seem to be on the attack.
	I did not delete the article. I did not do anything out of malice. I am, however vigilant when it comes to you since you seem to tar anyone you have issues with as a sockpuppet and now as a wikistalker. If anyone is acting poorly in this matter it is you with your allegations and lies. ] (]) 17:48, 30 July 2008 (UTC)		I did not delete the article. I did not do anything out of malice. I am, however vigilant when it comes to you since you seem to tar anyone you have issues with as a sockpuppet and now as a wikistalker. If anyone is acting poorly in this matter it is you with your allegations and lies. ] (]) 17:48, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

			* ''Comment from an uninvolved party'' I have reviewed some of the contribs. There is no doubt that a number of the IPs are using IP spoofing software and socking, as they pretty much declared it themselves. Baseball Card Guy, Bbcardguy, Opccollector, Box Benefits and Omero Tongon are all also likely related in my opinion, although I am not 100% certain. That group of accounts ''may'' be related to the IPs as well. I would like another editor's opinion on all of that.
			:I am highly doubtful about {{user\|Your Radio Enemy}} and {{user\|Die Profis - Die nächste Generation}}. The latter is probably ''somebody's'' sock and/or alternate account, because he showed immediate knowledge of policy -- but I don't see disruption and the writing style is different enough from the Bbcardguy socks that I really doubt a connection. The Radio Enemy also has a different writing style, and has a lot of contribs on other subjects.
			:Now, I could be wrong -- TRE's other contribs could just be a ruse, I suppose. But I really doubt those two are connected. --] (]) 12:54, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

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User:Baseball Card Guy

Suspected sockpuppeteer

Baseball Card Guy (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)

Suspected sockpuppets

Report submission by

Libro0 (talk) 09:17, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Evidence

I believe the above to be sock puppets for numerous reasons. 1) They have all edited in the same area which include the Baseball Card Pages. 2) None of their edits overlap. 3) They have the same writing style, logic and behavior. 4) They support each other's point of view. 5) They revert my proper and verifiable edits but do not touch each other's edits even if they include errors. 6) They are all red links or IPs with no established user or talk pages. 7) They are single purpose accounts. 8) They appear suddenly and engage in editing as though quite familiar with a situation and have knowledge and expertise highly unlikely for a new user. User:Bbcardguy and User:Opccollector clearly violate the name similarity rule and also appear to be single purpose which is a character trait of this puppetmaster. User:Die Profis - Die nächste Generation and User:Your Radio Enemy showed up almost simultaneously; May 12 and May 13 respectively. Die Profis first edits on WP were here. They were unit changes that were deemed improper and unverifiable. Despite this User:Your Radio Enemy supported the use of these here, which was simply a vote against me and for himself. User:Your Radio Enemy mysteriously showed up here. A place he has never done any editing. I believe he was following me around and trying to log a vote against me in a long since finished discussion. Following me around is what this puppetmaster does regularly. Die Profis shares in common with User:Baseball Card Guy the desire to delete someone's images and replace them with his own. This is what BCGuy did to me and this behavior drew the attention of others here as well. The rest of the IP's appear when he feels he wants to make an edit and go unnoticed, however their contribs appear to be the same editor. The last two, User:Box Benefits and User:Omero Tognon, are a special case. He used these to frame me, however admins removed any sock tags on them on account of no evidence. Box Benefits first edit was on May 7 2008 several hours after I placed boxes on the some baseball cards pages (ex.). Needless to say Baseball Card Guy reverted these edits and then came after me as Box Benefits. What is very interesting is that if you check their edits at that time and connect the dots it forms a sine wave. What I mean to say is that it looks as though he logs in, edits, logs out, then logs in as another user, reverts the edit, logs out and repeats this process several times in immediate succession. Box Benefits' last edit occurred on a bio page I created called Omero Tognon where he placed a deletion tag. Soon after this he created User:Omero Tognon and made some edits to the card pages using dialogue from a discuccion I had. Also, in my opinion the Talk:1960s Topps page demonstrates how the puppetmaster is unwilling to discuss things and brings in socks to 'gang up' on others.

There are way too many coincidences to be ignored. Baseball Card Guy, I Hate CAPTCHAS, Die Profis, and Your Radio Enemy all use the same words or wording repeatedly. Among them 'status quo', (un)civil, allegations, troll(ing), 'goes to insult me', passive-aggressive, 'thinly veiled', egg(ing) on, they also deny there is content discussion. These instances are as follows: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, and most of this discussion.

More wikistalking- I went to add more information to a team page and its talk page and found that Your Radio Enemy has decided to continue following me around here. At this point not at all a likely coincidence.

Comments

Among the affected pages are 1950s Topps, 1960s Topps, 1970 Topps, 1971 Topps, 1980 Topps, 1981 Topps, 1982 Topps, 1983 Topps, 1960s O-Pee-Chee, 1970s O-Pee-Chee. I had refrained from doing this earlier in the hopes that the puppetmaster would change his ways. I have tried to communicate on numerous occasions. I also tried to stay away from the pages listed above but it appeared as though he would not cease harrassing me. He has been disruptive and will not allow me to edit and constantly reverts my edits regardless of what they are. He has also been reprimanded for hostility against me. He is connected to the following cases: Misplaced Pages:Suspected sock puppets/I Hate CAPTCHAS, Misplaced Pages:Suspected sock puppets/Bolly Nickers.

This is absurd Libro0 is making a mockery of the whole process. If you look at Libro0, he seems to have used sockpuppet allegations to bully his way to get what he wants in the baseball card articles. If you look at this he says of someone who calls him on his allegation, Writing here was the worst thing you could have done. You have exposed your poor writing skills and have knowledge of things not likely for a brand new user. When will you learn to play by the rules. It seems like he is paranoid and engages in behavior that invites people to take him on. He has attacked me and failed to heed any attempts at a third party intervention by Rgoodermote. When Your Radio Enemy suggested that Libro0 and myself take a break from editing baseball card articles (Rgoodermote suggested that he stop altogether weeks ago) he came up with this absurd sockpuppet allegation. This is more the act of someone who sees enemies under every rock than a reasonable user. Baseball Card Guy (talk) 17:07, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Rgoodermote told everybody to hold off on editing those pages. I was the only one who listened. You are reckless and care little for the rules because you have nothing to lose seeing as how you have socks to fall back on. You and your socks also blank your talk pages. I do not. I hide nothing. I own up to anything I have done. Review of my history will only reveal proper edits, collaboration, and communication. My user page and talk page histories only show you and your socks harassing me. Libro0 (talk) 19:24, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

More lies and untruths. I am just going to leave because there is no need to be pestered by some bully and liar who drags people through the mud. Due to abuse and false accusations by one user I am afraid I will not be using Misplaced Pages anymore and will relate my bad experience to others. Good bye! Baseball Card Guy (talk) 19:33, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Interesting thing to see on my RSS while trying to enjoy a Wikibreak. Yes I "suggested" both of the users to back off and stop editing those pages all together and yes I "suggested" they both take Wikibreaks and I also "suggested" both users go to mediation as I was getting tired of going no where. I thought this was over but I see it is not. I will not comment on either of these users and I do not want to be mentioned if any actions is taken. I want nothing to do with this. I was just trying to help. If you need to contact me you can email me. Rgoodermote 20:47, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

I tried to tell these two to stop, but because I seem to be on the side of Baseball Card Guy in Libro0's eyes I am a sockpuppet. Libro0 seems to engage in uncivil behavior and intimidation to get what he wants. This is a prime example of that. Hopefully the proper sanctions can be levied. Your Radio Enemy (talk) 16:44, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

'Your Radio Edits' are severely lacking in any content in fact they appear to be primarily bot-like edits. There seems to be only minor bracketing to make wiki links. It looks like you selected a subject to cover your true intention. You added categotries only. Your wording for the category also resembles the socks manner of wording. 'Old-time'? That is a relative statement. Why not something like antique, vintage, depression-era, pre-war, 19th century, early 20th century... Your only significant edits come with the baseball card pages and those edits match the socks edits. Your Baseball park edits match quite a few anonymous users. You created one page called Domain Registry of America. Isn't it ironic how they are located in Ontario, the very same place O-Pee-Chee is located. You also removed an image from a page which is a bad habit of Die Profis and BCGuy. Look, it is very simple. You do not have the source material to identify the errors on the baseball card pages, otherwise you would have cited and corrected them. You are clearly just sock support. Libro0 (talk) 18:13, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

So I am a sockpuppet because I categorized things that needed to be categorized?

So, I am a sockpuppet because I started an article about a well known scam that just happens to be based in the same Canadian province that some baseball card maker is in? That was done as a public service. It is more important to have information about some company that is scamming people than to have articles about sports and cardboard with pictures on them. I removed an image that violated the image use policy, and just because some other users you think are sockpuppets did the same thing means I am a sockpuppet? Just because I made some edits that "match quite a few anonymous users" I am a sockpuppet? If I was paranoid I would go and find some anonymous users that match your edits. Just because I made a few edits to some baseball card articles and disagree with you I am a sockpuppet? Do you even know anything about radio? The term Old-time radio is an term established decades ago. It is not a relative statement. Do you have some sort of expert complex? Just because I asked you and the person you have an issue with to stop and calm down, I am a sockpuppet? I don't see you adding any more sources. You just seemed to have listed one. You seem to be grasping at straws and engaging in yet more uncivil behavior. Your Radio Enemy (talk) 03:09, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Any and all edits I make to those pages are reverted. Regardless of what they are. They could be new info, correction of errors, etc. If I list more sources, what guarantee is there that those edits will be allowed to remain? You support BCGuy's actions in full, do you not? You have not said anything in support of my proper edits. Libro0 (talk) 04:33, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

I am not going to make any promises and I support nobody in full. ~~I am not going to say anything further about you or your false accusations here.~~ Your Radio Enemy (talk) 14:09, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

I make a legitimate move of an article, in this case St. Matthew's, you think I am wikistalking you?

No. In monitoring your activities to check that you aren't making any more absurd allegations like you did here, I was able to find a problem that I was able to fix. Something you apparently missed with your narrow focus. Did you ever think that most people who are searching for St. Matthew's would not expect to find an article about some obscure soccer team that only lasted one season? I moved the article for the obscure soccer team to St. Matthew's (soccer team), where it should have been all along. St. Matthew's now has a disambiguation page with over two dozen things that people have a much higher likelihood of relevance. If anyone is digging a hole it is you since you seem to be on the attack. I did not delete the article. I did not do anything out of malice. I am, however vigilant when it comes to you since you seem to tar anyone you have issues with as a sockpuppet and now as a wikistalker. If anyone is acting poorly in this matter it is you with your allegations and lies. Your Radio Enemy (talk) 17:48, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Comment from an uninvolved party I have reviewed some of the contribs. There is no doubt that a number of the IPs are using IP spoofing software and socking, as they pretty much declared it themselves. Baseball Card Guy, Bbcardguy, Opccollector, Box Benefits and Omero Tongon are all also likely related in my opinion, although I am not 100% certain. That group of accounts may be related to the IPs as well. I would like another editor's opinion on all of that.

I am highly doubtful about Your Radio Enemy (talk · contribs) and Die Profis - Die nächste Generation (talk · contribs). The latter is probably somebody's sock and/or alternate account, because he showed immediate knowledge of policy -- but I don't see disruption and the writing style is different enough from the Bbcardguy socks that I really doubt a connection. The Radio Enemy also has a different writing style, and has a lot of contribs on other subjects.

Now, I could be wrong -- TRE's other contribs could just be a ruse, I suppose. But I really doubt those two are connected. --Jaysweet (talk) 12:54, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Conclusions