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I only ask you be civil and start a new line for each post signed with the ~~~~ It keeps things from getting confusing @_@

thank you ^_^ Yami (talk) 05:46, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

too far

This has all gone further then it should have, but harsh comments to me and extending blocks are not the answer.

I'm willing to talk to the other editors involved in a civil manner, but i request that the admins that are involved with both blocks and each other not include themselves.

I think me and Atom can make amends, and the survey to make consensus on the breast article is well underway and i will accept any out come.

There is no need for further finger pointing or harsh and uncivil comments.

I also have made it clear that i admit to war editing on the lead image for the breast article. And i did admit to calling Atom a Ass and i apologize to you Atom, and maybe like me and Artichoker are now, you and me might be able to work in a civil and all things in the past manner in the future. Yami (talk) 19:46, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm doing my best to calm and cool down but for the past many days i have felt ganged up on and i feel violated by the justice system of wikipedia.

If i have gotten uncivil in the past few days i am sorry, but there is a lot of things that contributed to it.

I hope me and all the editors can work to get a consensus and change the articles for the better of the article and wikipedia.

Not to change the articles for some pride or moral stance but education and what wikipedia stands for. We all know that wikipedia isn't perfect, and we all know the attitude towards it because of the fact anyone can edit it but wikipedia has evolved since i first started editing and now people can't put a donkey on a pig article, and can't edit the Bush article to say he's a she male or trans gendered female.

Again Atom, Honeyman, Asher and who ever else on that article i hope we can work to improve it and set our feelings, pride and attitudes towards each other and ourselves aside.

I admit i once thought of Artichoker as my greatest pain in the ass, now i see and respect him as a friend who is my greatest pain in the ass lol. (that wasn't a personal attack just a joke, but he is a friend.)

Me and Artichoker have had a past and soon all of you and me will have a past. I didn't hold my past with Artichoker against him, and i doubt I'll hold it against all or any of you. Yami (talk) 19:56, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

I seriously don't know if I can believe you Yami, it shouldn't take a 120 hour block to convince you to work with other editors.--Honeymane_{Heghlu meH QaQ jajvam} 20:14, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Keep good faith. If you had bias admins against you, you'd be a little mean spirited and easily capable of getting blind with rage like i've been experiencing.

If you don't want to believe or work together in the future, i won't force you but i will try and work with the other two+ Yami (talk) 20:20, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I've full protected this page for a couple of hours. This is to stop you ranting against the apparent bad behaviour of the admins involved. Please stop accusing people of things that aren't real. Scarian 20:35, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Public complaint

I have recently received a complaint from Yami, to the effect of the conduct of Scarian and Rlevse has been improper, and that they have, in their rôle as an administrator, endorsed one another despite a pre-existing friendship.

Naturally, it stands to reason that administrators who are friends (on- or off-Wiki) should not be acting in their capacity as an administrator, with the intention of "helping the other out": basic standards of recusal do exist.

I would be interested in receiving input on how credible this complaint is.

AGK

Lets not forget Dreadstar as well. Yami (talk) 00:25, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

I've unblocked Yami. AGK: Rlevse and I have had very, very little contact on Wiki (and none off-wiki). There was no secret dealings or anything like that. I was asked to review the situation which I did. Nothing underhanded occurred. Scarian 00:31, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Scarian, I've been filled in fully on the situation, and am satisfied that the complaints have no substance. Thanks for responding. AGK

not to stir the sharks up but what about you and Dreadstar? Yami (talk) 00:38, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

There is a thin link between Dreadstar and Rlevse (they exchanged barnstars), but I am satisfied that Rlevse did not recommend to Scarian (in response to his request for input) that you have your block extended because you had been on the bad side of Dreadstar: the link is simply not that strong, and there is simply no reason to suggest this is the case. I think it's time to put this to bed now, AGK

Also why am i auto blocked? Yami (talk) 00:39, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Autoblocked basically means that your username is unblocked but your IP is still blocked. Are you sure this is still occuring? Useight (talk) 00:49, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

The claim that I have a pre-existing friendship with Scarian is not true. I do not recall any contact with him at all prior to this case. He asked for input on my talk page and I gave it, that's all. As for Dreadstar, we'd just come out of a long dispute at the Coker article about one day prior I gave him a barnstar, and also gave one to Avruch and Elonka the same day. That this occurred about the time of this block is sheer coincidence. I saw Yami's thread on Dread's page and that's how I came here. That thread was started before I posted the barnstar and before I did the block. I have recused myself before and do so when need be, such as an arb case, the Coker issue, and an SSP case where I had prior dealings with someone. — Rlevse • Talk • 00:42, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for responding, Rlevse: much appreciated. AGK

There was no undue collusion between Rlevse, Scarian and myself; and a lot of editors have my talk page watchlisted. Dreadstar † 00:51, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

You hit the nail on the head there, Dreadstar: no undue collusion is a perfect summary of my conclusion to the complaint. Thanks for your input, AGK

"Hallå, Dreadstar and I were discussing whether it'd be appropriate to extend Yami's block. Would you be partial to this? He does appear to be refusing to abide by our policies. Or would you be more inclined to let the block lift naturally and see if that sets him straight? I'm okay with either, but he does seem unrelenting, to be honest. Wondered what your opinion was. Thanks. Hejdu! ScarianCall me Pat! 14:48, 7 August 2008 (UTC)"

That is off Rlevse talk page. Plus you two were working on the Coke article and awarded eachother the same day i got blocked. I also called you bias, reported you and asked you to not contact me multiple times.

You repeatably came back to hound me about me being uncivil and not indenting when it wasn't even a rule breaker.

lets not forget that you have a editorial history on the breast article which this all started with. Yami (talk) 00:54, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Also Scarian where were you and Dreadstar talking? i don't see anything on your talk pages. Yami (talk) 01:01, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

I've cleared your autoblock, you should be able to edit freely now. Dreadstar † 01:12, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

thank you Yami (talk) 01:53, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

re:hey friend

That's all good, and please try to stay unblocked =P. As for the cheatmonkey thing, I went back in and adding information to the references. I checked the site and it said the author's name was cheatmonkey, so I added that. However, I still don't believe that site is reliable and it may contain user-submitted content. In any case, I'm glad to see some rationality in your statement that it can be removed; I'll look into the matter. Happy editing, Artichoker 02:51, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Well i was told the site itself was reliable and what not, but wikipedia policies are so confusing sometimes. I know half the policies seem like they take you in a circle. I'd find the policy but my patience with finding policies has been lessened in the past week or so. I think it was a user on that artile's talk page that mentions game sites like that being creditable. Yami (talk) 03:03, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

re:Wow i can be uncivil

Well I'm glad that whole drama is over in any case. As for your content on the Torchic article, I would like to remind you that the issue was not existence (everyone knows that Torchic does not have an active flame) but rather notability. If you have something to add then you should always back it up with reliable sourcing. This was the same ordeal we went through during the Kanto episode. But frankly, I think you just picked the wrong article. There was a 2/493 chance that the article you picked would be a featured (or formerly featured depending on the time you edited it) article, and therefore have a generally higher standard of inclusion. My guess is that if you had picked any other article (besides Bulbasaur) you would have been able to add the information without opposition! Artichoker 10:33, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

re:award

Hey man, thanks for the barnstar. I really appreciate it. But as for the Pokémon Platinum article I didn't really write much of it at all; just helped save it from being merged for the time being. In any case, thanks again, and happy editing. Artichoker 02:17, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

re:Help on List of Pokémon

Hey, its good to know that you are editing productively. Looking over some of your edits to List of Pokémon (101-120), I am seeing a lot of gamecruft and trivial material. Try not to include things such as specific moves, etc. and only add things that are definitely worth mentioning. I think you will doing more trimming than adding, but overall your grammar is looking good. Just remember to proofread. Also, adding some reliable sources would be pretty awesome. Happy editing, Artichoker 20:19, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Actually I think less is better than more if the "more" happens to be gamecruft. And one way to make the various Pokémon exert notability is to add reliable sources. Artichoker 20:54, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Awesome. And you are absolutely correct about that; they are hard to find. Especially these ones, focusing on individual and minor Pokémon. Artichoker 21:05, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

My guess is yes, that is a reliable source. Keep up the good work, Artichoker 23:23, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

re:I'm gettign no where with these guys

Well it's good that you aren't edit warring. As for the content dispute, I am sorry but I just don't have enough time to get involved in one. Also, it's not a topic I'm really interested in; but let it be known that I do support the removal of the video. Artichoker 02:16, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

re:No one can win with this atom guy

Well it seems that discussion is still going on, so we'll wait and see what happens. Sorry I couldn't participate more in the whole thing, it's just that I really don't have time right now. I'm thinking about going on a WikiBreak. Artichoker 00:47, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Breast talk

There is clearly no consensus for your proposed change to the lead image in the Breast article; and at this point you are being tendendtious and disruptive by repeating the same argument over and over again without persuading people, and are making accusations against other editors of article ownership and "misrepresenting" consensus . I strongly recommend you step back, relax, and pull back from the brink, or you risk being blocked. Dreadstar † 01:04, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Even if consensus were a strictly numerical vote, 5/4 would still not make a consensus, as other editors have pointed out - 75 to 80 percent is the minimum standard for a passing percentage on Wikipeida, 5/4 is only 55.6%. On top of this lack of a numerical percentage, Misplaced Pages is not a democracy, and we do not use a majority or supermajority rule. It takes more than just a certain percentage of "support" or "oppose" votes to create a true consensus. And no, I am certainly not "obligated to maintain a distance and not interact or persuade others to interact for me" with you, your characterization of my interactions with you are highly flawed, and I see you've made the same false accusations of bias against others who have warned you. Dreadstar † 02:03, 20 August 2008 (UTC)