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| How could this therefore come "from the book cited" when it was written three and 24 years, respectively, before these events took place? | How could this therefore come "from the book cited" when it was written three and 24 years, respectively, before these events took place? | ||
| :Well, obviously that cite was a paste-and-copy mistake. The data came from the haanel.com page. Thanks for finding it. I shall fix it. --cat yronwode a.k.a. "64" ] (]) 04:47, 2 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| On closer examination, Catherine is however correct that this website copied this material verbatim from an old (and wholly unsourced) version of this page in November 2007 (as did Catherine herself). I have therefore sticken the ] complaint. <font face="Antiqua, serif">'']<sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub>''</font> 03:24, 2 September 2008 (UTC) | On closer examination, Catherine is however correct that this website copied this material verbatim from an old (and wholly unsourced) version of this page in November 2007 (as did Catherine herself). I have therefore sticken the ] complaint. <font face="Antiqua, serif">'']<sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub>''</font> 03:24, 2 September 2008 (UTC) | ||
| :Thank you for admitting your error and for striking through your allegations that i committed deliberate copyright violation and plagiarism as part of a so-called "Copyvio Crusade." | |||
| :Unfortunately, a strike-through is insufficient as the title you gave that section repeats the accusation and thus endangers my empoyability as a freelance writer. As such, it constitutes libel. I have asked the Wiki oversight admins to remove this entire section. | |||
| :You have also accused me of deliberate copyright violation in the Haanel article on ], an entirely unrelated page. That too is unaccetable and must be removed. | |||
| :You are using Misplaced Pages to publish libellous accusations against me. Accusations of plagiarism and a deliberate "crusade" of copyright violation cannot be taken lightly by an author. I intend to pursue this matter until the libel is removed. I want you to realize WHY i am doing so: you crossed a definite legal line in your escalating campaign of verbal abuse against me when you used your assumed position of authority as my fellow editor to damage my hirability as a freelance writer. | |||
| :I could delete the material on both pages, but i am firmly opposed to anyone but the author of a post deleting his or her material from a talk page. It is up to you -- or to the Oversight admins -- to get the material removed. If you are a person of any integrity, you will understand why i insist upon this. | |||
| :cat yronwode a.k.a. "64" ] (]) 04:47, 2 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
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rumor removed
I have removed the following: "It is rumored that Bill Gates, whilst he was attending Harvard, discovered a copy of The Master Key System. According to the rumour, Mr. Gates was so inspired by the tome that he dropped out of school and began his computer business career, which resulted in him being the wealthiest man in the world as the founder and owner of Microsoft. ."
Rumor does not constitute grounds for inclusion in Misplaced Pages. If someone can get a reliable source, such as an interview with Bill Gates, that confirms the rumor, the information can be restored.
Looks a lot better not.
It has been since been updated again. Hope the advert code can be removed.
Globalprofessor 02:36, 31 March 2007 (UTC)globalprofessorGlobalprofessor 02:36, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
Attempted upgrade
This page contained a high level of redundncy and fragmentation. I have tried to integrate the material into a more coherent narrative and to remove duplicated links. Further comments and contributions are most welcome. cat yronwode Catherineyronwode 13:08, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
Better sourcing on business career
I added some better sourcing on his business career, and restored the Napoleon Hill letter, whcih had been dropped, but which went a long way toward plcing his notability in full historical context. Funny how since the last time i had checked in the article had gone from 4.500 k to 1,200 k and was tagged for non-notability. It almost seems as if someone named User:hrafn has embarked upon a deletion campaign against early 20th century non-fiction authors. i saw the same sort of thing at the Wallace Wattles page recently. Hmmmm. Perhaps we have a one-track-mind editor on the prowl, someone who hates self-help, New Thought, and success authors of 100 to 50 years ago. Is that possible? If so, i wonder what could motivate such a person. Well, i fixed what i could and upgraded as i could. I'm always happy to help improve Misplaced Pages. The new citation standards are an exciting challenge to meet! Collegially, cat yronwode a.k.a. "64" 64.142.90.33 (talk) 08:50, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
Catherine's time-travelling WP:COPYVIO crusade
In her latest piece of 'wikipedia policy doesn't apply to me' editing, Catherine has copied several paragraphs off SMILE BIG TODAY.com (a very reliable source, I'm sure) without attribution, and cited to a completely different source that was written in 1909, before many of the events the paragraphs narrates took place. Little things like WP:COPYVIO & WP:V don't matter if what you're introducing is the wP:TRUTH do that Catherine? HrafnStalk 10:13, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
On closer examination, this material appears to have come from a derivative source, http://ptrx.multiply.com/photos/photo/22/9, which contains even more of Catherine's additions (which, wonder of wonders, are likewise generally not contained in her cited sources). HrafnStalk 10:26, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
- Your mistake. The information came from the book cited, not from the three or four web pages that also quoted from the same book. It was also previously on Misplaced Pages, from whence the other sites may well have copied it. I will now restore the material that you erroneously throught was a copyright violation, with a clearer explanation of its source, so that you can understand its provenance. catherine yronwode a.k.a. "64" 64.142.90.33 (talk) 21:04, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
- Do not accuse your fellow editors of committing illegal acts. You have now gone past gratuitous personal insult and into libel and slander, impinging on my ability to secure employment as a freelance writer. This is intolerable and will be treated as such. catherine yronwode a.k.a. "64" 64.142.90.33 (talk) 22:25, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
Not "from the book cited"
As this dif demonstrates, Catherine cited the statements "Hannel's great hit, The Master Key System, written in 1912, when he was 46 years old" & "The book was heavily promoted in the pages of Elizabeth Towne's New Thought magazine The Nautilus, and by 1933 it had sold over 200,000 copies worldwide." to 'Walter B. Stevens (1909). St. Louis: History of the Fourth City". St. Louis: S. J. Clarke Publishing Co.'
How could this therefore come "from the book cited" when it was written three and 24 years, respectively, before these events took place?
- Well, obviously that cite was a paste-and-copy mistake. The data came from the haanel.com page. Thanks for finding it. I shall fix it. --cat yronwode a.k.a. "64" 64.142.90.33 (talk) 04:47, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
On closer examination, Catherine is however correct that this website copied this material verbatim from an old (and wholly unsourced) version of this page in November 2007 (as did Catherine herself). I have therefore sticken the WP:COPYVIO complaint. HrafnStalk 03:24, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
- Thank you for admitting your error and for striking through your allegations that i committed deliberate copyright violation and plagiarism as part of a so-called "Copyvio Crusade."
- Unfortunately, a strike-through is insufficient as the title you gave that section repeats the accusation and thus endangers my empoyability as a freelance writer. As such, it constitutes libel. I have asked the Wiki oversight admins to remove this entire section.
- You have also accused me of deliberate copyright violation in the Haanel article on Talk:The Science of Getting Rich, an entirely unrelated page. That too is unaccetable and must be removed.
- You are using Misplaced Pages to publish libellous accusations against me. Accusations of plagiarism and a deliberate "crusade" of copyright violation cannot be taken lightly by an author. I intend to pursue this matter until the libel is removed. I want you to realize WHY i am doing so: you crossed a definite legal line in your escalating campaign of verbal abuse against me when you used your assumed position of authority as my fellow editor to damage my hirability as a freelance writer.
- I could delete the material on both pages, but i am firmly opposed to anyone but the author of a post deleting his or her material from a talk page. It is up to you -- or to the Oversight admins -- to get the material removed. If you are a person of any integrity, you will understand why i insist upon this.
- cat yronwode a.k.a. "64" 64.142.90.33 (talk) 04:47, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
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