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Keith deligero AfD

Just to let you know there's already an AfD here for the article ;) - Sorf 13:39, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Sock case

Just thought a discussion here might be useful as well to clarify some things (I dont want to fill up the case page).

1)Editing the same topic as a sock-user does not make a user a sock. 2)Accusing someone of being a sock after 5 edits is not useful, especially when all edits have been helpful so far and you may have scared off a useful contributor.

Ironholds 18:22, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Fair enough. If it turns out he is a sock i'll still hold the same opinion; the case you've brought is ridiculous. Ironholds 19:07, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

He's made 5 edits. Judging him on the strength of those is what's ridiculous. Also, how does "The only edits outside of these two edits are made in regards to Keith deligero, a page whose deletion I proposed." relate; do you think he's stalking you? Ironholds 19:12, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Then i'd point out the hundreds of articles that this account hasn't followed you too. If you really feel that you're correct i'd advise turning this over to a checkuser request, but with the evidence you've shown I guarantee they'll throw it out. Ironholds 19:16, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

The carriers haven't entered American waters yet. You're accusing them of being enemy carriers on the basis that they have engines, and so do german carriers, ignoring the number of allied ships with engines and ignoring all pointers that leaving dock at the same time as a german fleet does not automatically classify them as enemies. Does that analogy satisfy you? Ironholds 20:01, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Comment: I would like to share my thoughts here as I was approach to do so earlier. I've checked the edits made by the suspect earlier, but strictly speaking, it doesn't display any strong & conclusive evidence to prove his acts of sockpuppetry yet. However, looking at Arbiteroftruth's long history in battling this recalcitrant vandal & in getting his sock accounts blocked successfully on numerous occassions previously, proved he's familiar with ColourWolf's behavourial profile & mode of attack, which to some, with a heavy dose of WP:AGF, may failed to notice or appreciate earlier. Unless CheckUser is used to prove (most unlikely), we can only let time or due diligence proved who was right or wrong later (aka 'Law of Karma') esp in trickier cases like sockpuppetry. Moving forward, I would like to suggest to Arbiteroftruth to update or expand with comprehensive chronological details i.e., likely sock accounts, list of past ANI cases, a specific mention of articles (not just categories) being attacked to date, other useful details etc, on your existing record on ColourWolf's history of attacks as per this example, which may be helpful in proving your case strongly in future (do quote this record page often in future), esp to the skeptics or clueless folks, but also serves as a quick & easy point of reference for yourself & fellow vandal-fighters too. Fyi, I've added him to one of my little bots' scan list after a gentle reminder was given to him earlier. On behalf of SGpedia, I would like to thank Arbiteroftruth for his on-going vigilance & concern shown in protecting our Singapore-related articles so far. -- Aldwinteo (talk) 01:52, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Username

• Thank you for your message Arbiteroftruth. I wonder if I change my name in ROMAN then it will appear in the Roman on Urdu wikipedia too ? is not so ? ............ Samarqandi. --سمرقندی (talk) 02:38, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Biting an Arabic-named user

Your recent reports on UAA have been directly against the username policy, culminating in your request to block سمرقندی for having a foreign name. Misplaced Pages welcomes editors from all places in the world.

Enough is enough. Please find something else to do instead of trying to block new users for bad reasons. rspeer / ɹəədsɹ 02:41, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Oh, come on. First of all, don't template the regulars. I'm not particularly hurt by it, it's just nonsensical to leave me a message saying "Welcome to Misplaced Pages".

I am not amused by your "violation of NPA" thing. It's not an attack for me to tell you to take responsibility for your actions on Misplaced Pages. When you flout a policy, it's not an attack for me to tell you what it is.

And I honestly mean my suggestion -- there are zillions of ways to be helpful on Misplaced Pages, and you could easily find one instead of perpetuating this issue. rspeer / ɹəədsɹ 03:14, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Insight about the misunderstanding

As I re-read the first version of your message, I realize that the misunderstanding might have been bigger than I thought.

I recognize that you've contributed to the encyclopedia, and I welcome you to keep contributing. I also believe that you wouldn't have any particular problem with Arabic people, and a possible explanation is that you may have misread "Contributors are welcome to use usernames that are not spelled using the Latin alphabet" as "Contributors are forbidden to use usernames that are not spelled using the Latin alphabet" or something like that. That would be a small misunderstanding, and still wouldn't have led to the talking past each other that just happened.

The thing I've suddenly realized you may have misunderstood: were you not aware that UAA is for blocking people? That would explain why you think you're only "suggesting" they change their usernames, and why you think you haven't threatened any new users. It would be an understandable mistake, and if that's the case, please do tell me so. There has been some speculation that people on UAA don't understand that it's for block requests; it does say so on the page, but the vague title and the included "bot reports" section may give people the wrong impression. If this is what happened, it tells me that I should work with UAA to try to clarify the purpose of the page and prevent misunderstandings like this in the future.

rspeer / ɹəədsɹ 03:24, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

What should we do about it? Nothing. Your transliteration is interesting, but I really think that one user's name being a transliteration of another's is a non-issue.

By the way, your assessment was basically right: I am often a cranky admin when it comes to usernames. I think the username policy is too often used to make newbies who are "inconvenient" go away. And if I don't take the newbies' side and firmly express my disapproval of cases where the username-blocking process is misused, then not only is a good-faith newbie likely to get blocked and get a terrible impression of Misplaced Pages, but others get the idea that that kind of block is okay (regardless of the text of WT:U and the pages of discussion that justify it).

When you reported the Arabic name, you stumbled into a hot button for me. I've noticed it's always the Arabic names that get reported. Newbies with, say, Japanese names are totally fine. People trust them. But Arabic names? They make people get uneasy and start asking for username blocks. I may have unfairly maligned your motives by lumping you in with the subtle racism of username reporters as a whole.

Finally, about the misunderstanding of the purpose of UAA. My hint is to think of it exactly like AIV. If you want to warn someone about their username, you don't need UAA (but you should be sure you're warning them about the right thing per WP:U). You only need UAA when it's so much of a problem that they need to be blocked.

I hope this has cleared something up. Happy editing. rspeer / ɹəədsɹ 07:20, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Oh, by the way, I think they are actually the same user. He used to have separate accounts that were سمرقندی on ur.wikipedia.org and Samarqandi on en.wikipedia.org, but now he's using his global account (a perfectly reasonable thing to do). Here's his Urdu userpage, loaded with barnstars: ur:صارف:سمرقندی. On his talk page you can see people addressing him as Samarqandi. So he's not actually a newbie and we're in less danger of scaring him off, but I still think this good editor should have a good experience with the English Misplaced Pages.

Hopefully in time there will be enough people using their global accounts that users like سمرقندی will be commonplace and people won't worry. rspeer / ɹəədsɹ 07:32, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

WP:UAA

Just to say that I've removed SimonGlover Inc. (talk · contribs) - it's not a breach of policy to have a company name as your username per se - generally speaking we wait until the account edits to see if their edits are going to be promotional in nature. In this instance, the account has no edits, deleted or otherwise, so it's a bit harsh to block them at this stage. Thanks! _Gb 21:11, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Your report to WP:UAA

Thank you for making a report about Gluciani (talk · contribs) at Misplaced Pages:Usernames for administrator attention. Unfortunately, your report has been removed due to the username not violating policy, or not being blatant enough for a block. Please remember you should only post infringements on this page if they are so serious that the user needs to be blocked immediately. Others should be discussed with the user in question first, for example using the {{Uw-username}} template. A request for comment can be filed if the user disagrees that their name is against the username policy, or has continued to edit after you have expressed your concern. Thank you. Is he back? (talk) 14:07, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Arbiter, it saddens me that you would report someone's real name as a username violation after all that discussion we had. Yes, you misunderstood the username policy and I accept your explanation, but now it's your job to stop misunderstanding the username policy. rspeer / ɹəədsɹ 16:29, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

And he did all that because he was named G. Luciani, or what? You are treating UAA as your one-stop blocking shop. Please, please, please use UAA for username problems only, and read WP:U carefully if you don't know what a username problem is. rspeer / ɹəədsɹ 00:11, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Hmm

It might be best to put some mileage between you and these errant UAA reports before you stand for RFA. Let me know of your thoughts on my talk page. Also, seeking a co-nom would probably be a good idea as well. –xeno (talk) 16:53, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Posturewriter RFC

Sorry to pester you on this, but could you re-read your Outside View at the Posturewriter RFC, with an eye to revision/retraction? I think you've misread the edit history; as others have said, there's no question of Posturewriter having been involved in sockpuppetry. Gordonofcartoon (talk) 18:11, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! Hope the exams are going well. Gordonofcartoon (talk) 20:20, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Reprodding

I have removed the {{prod}} tag from JP Turner & Company, which you proposed for deletion, because its deletion has previously been contested or viewed as controversial. Proposed deletion is not for controversial deletions. For this reason, it is best not to propose deletion of articles that have previously been de-{{prod}}ed, even by the article creator, or which have previously been listed on Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion. If you still think the article should be deleted, please don't add the {{prod}} template back to the article, but feel free to list it at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion. Thanks! --UsaSatsui (talk) 07:11, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

• You put it back, hence you got the Template Of Doom (TM). Honestly, I hate these things.  :( --UsaSatsui (talk) 17:16, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Richard Steel

I saw that you just turned down the Richard Steel protection request. I opened a 3RR report on this IP user at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/3RR for his behavior (removing sourced material) from the article. They have also been making similar edits at Morningwood. I'm a fairly new editor and I'd appreciate it if you'd take a look and let me know if I've done the right thing (if you have time). User:SignOfTheTimes has been trying to keep the article factual and I stumbled into the whole thing. Movingboxes (talk) 08:04, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your quick response! Movingboxes (talk) 08:08, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Hello, I see you have been helping movingboxes in the Richard Steel/Morningwood debacle. I have been trying to add the fact that Richard Steel was infact in Morningwood, with numerable sources, I can provide more if you need them. And someone claiming to be Richard Steel's "representative" has been consistently removing it for months from both the Richard Steel and the Morningwood page. Even if this is indeed Richard Steel's "representative" that does not detract from the fact that he was a member of morningwood and that is a part of his biography. Perhaps you can help in the process, as I am just trying to make it right.

Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SignOfTheTimes (talk • contribs) 08:17, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Block vs ban

Regarding this, you need to review WP:BLOCK and WP:BAN, specifically the parts that discusses blocks vs. bans. Here's the relevant text, anyways: "Banning should not be confused with blocking, a technical mechanism used to prevent an account or IP address from editing Misplaced Pages. While blocks are one mechanism used to enforce bans, they are most often used to deal with vandalism and violations of the three-revert rule. Blocks are not the only mechanism used to enforce bans. A ban is a social construct and does not, in itself, disable a user's ability to edit any page." Tan ǀ 39 02:06, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

User talk:Caperpike8

Don't bother warning them. This is a series of block evasions that occured today. It's alwas the same pattern on a user talk page. Just report it from scratch. De728631 (talk) 19:08, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free media (Image:ATV Old Logo.png)

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AIV report regarding 122.2.191.170

Hello, I'm sorry but we are unable to act upon your report about this vandal because they are not active (as vandals) at this time. Please note the directions on the top of the AIV reporting page for further information. That said, thank you for your interest - keep editing, keep up the good work.--VS 07:27, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion Categories

I just wanted to give you a heads up on the some of the speedy deletion tagging you've been doing. Be sure to use the appropriate speedy category. G1 (nonsense) only applies to articles whose content is gibberish (something like "alkhdsfuahuwiuht"). Brock Jones falls under A7 - non-notable bio, instead of G1. That being said, keep up the good work! Cheers. TN‑X-Man 15:36, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

The Pharmacy Practice Research Trust

Rather than delete the incorrect "hangon" tag on this page, I believe it would have been better to correct the newbie's incorrect usage. This user appears to be making a good faith effort to correct the article in question.WikiDan61_ReadMe!! 15:38, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

I have contacted the author with some suggestions for improvement of the article (citations from external sources for the most part). I would suggest you do the same -- encourage the newbies! I agree that his name MIGHT suggest a vested interest in the organization. On the other hand, he might just be a Pharmacist who knows about this organization.WikiDan61_ReadMe!! 15:46, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

AIV Report

Please try and assume good faith with new users - You've reported two in a row which aren't quite vandalism. It might be an idea if you forbade yourself from using warning templates, and instead left a helpful note to the users on their pages. Thanks! Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry (talk) 23:18, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

No worries. Take for example this edit - It could well be a 12 year old boy playing around. Perhaps {{uw-humour}} would work better? Have a look at the tdifferent templates available and what you can use. That said, I see you've stopped a fair few vandals in the past - keep up the good work! Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry (talk) 23:23, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

(edit conflict)I was coming here to say much the same thing as Chase me ladies, as both of your AIV reports show not enough assumed good faith. We really appreciate your help in keeping the project clear of vandalism, but please be careful not to bite new editors. --Kralizec! (talk) 23:34, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Damaged Goods (usage in society)

You've asked that Damaged Goods (usage in society) be speedily deleted as re-creation of a deleted AfD article. Could you please point me to the AfD in question? Thanks. --Philosopher  23:49, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Xidan

I would like to ask you to reconsider your removal of the deletion discussion. As the article stands it clearly does not meet the notability or referenceability guidelines for this project.Chuletadechancho (talk) 22:31, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

I reverted the non admin closure of Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Xidan, see why in there. Equendil Talk 22:45, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

I answered your second-to-last comment on my talk page, furthermore I would like to apologize if you felt that I personally attacked you, a fact I must contest. I know that you are passionate about the Xidan article and wish you good luck in finding the proper sources, however your removal of the AfD and comment stating that " You'll take care of it from now on" came of as standoffish and as a WP:OWN issue, that's all I was trying to say. Good day.Chuletadechancho (talk) 22:50, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

P.S. I would appreciate it if you would provide the diff to the alleged personal attack so that I may be sure of what you're speaking of. Thank you.Chuletadechancho (talk) 22:51, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately you have the passion of someone who has a personal stake in the article. AfDs are not personal, and your immediate response was to assume bad faith and violate procedure by trying to close the AfD yourself then hurl a few personal attacks. You repeatedly tried to include sources which fail WP:RS and WP:V (wikis), and some other questionable behaviour. Other editors don't look upon that behaviour favorably at all. Due to your obvious passionate investment in the article, a neutral editor who can verify the sources would be preferential here.--Crossmr (talk) 04:30, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

As long as you can first provide 2 solid sources which give the subject significant coverage (more than a name drop, more than a couple lines) then you can include of all xi dang in this article.--Crossmr (talk) 15:08, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

No. The government article is not independent of the subject. Xi Dan is a municipal area and its in their interest to promote it for tourism. These types of sources while reliable can't be used to establish notability. I raised this point on the AfD. Notability requires significant coverage in multiple reliable sources independent of the subject. Travel guides are okay (As long as they're not written by the chinese tourism board), but they need to be significant e.g. more than any other random place gets. A special article about the place, a longer than 30 second spot on a travel TV show, etc, or any other article from a reliable source that is about this area (and doesn't have to be travel related, it could be examining another aspect of the area). None of the english links shown on the afd to this point had remotely shown notability.--Crossmr (talk) 15:18, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Personal attacks

Please stop making personal attacks, keep it to the content not the user. I have made a complain at the Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Personal attacks by User:Arbiteroftruth (AoT). Please direct any further comments regarding our dispute there and be polite in the future.Chuletadechancho (talk) 01:35, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Don't delete other people's talk comments

In the future please refrain from deleting other users talk page comments as you did here without their permission. Even if you've corrected the issue you shouldn't remove my comment.--Crossmr (talk) 02:21, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

You should always err on the side of caution and never delete another users comments unless there is a good reason (e.g. it contains a very obvious and blatant personal attack or BLP violation). Even then you should only strike/remove the personal attack if there is other text contained in the comment.--Crossmr (talk) 02:27, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Your comment proves my point

You seem to think that if you are right you can browbeat, accuse, and insult whoever you like. When you've apologized to everyone else you insulted, you might be in a better position to lambast others. Until then, I'm busy editing articles and improving them rather than accusing other editors of being biased liars, so if you'll excuse me I'm done with this issue and you. -- Logical Premise 14:50, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

I'm telling you that if you aren't going to work with people politely, and that if your useful contributions are leavened with treating everyone else around you like crap because they disagree, yeah, it means nothing at all. That's called my opinion. Nothing else to discuss, sir or ma'am. -- Logical Premise 16:12, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

... and in hindsight, I would like to apologize if you thought I was being too hard on you. It's not that you are wrong. It's that the nature of this blasted place is that we get too caught up in what we do, and in knowing that it's right. A long time ago I used to be a deletionist until I realized all too often the problem is that people get emotional and then don't look at the facts. Could the other people in this debate acted better, hell yes. But I'm not going to waste my goddamned time on them, because a lot of them aren't bothering to create, or add, or build. When we are at least civil to one another then the merits have to be judged solely on the facts -- and that will make a better encyclopedia. As far as the AfD and AN/I, I've commented on them both favorably.-- Logical Premise 16:46, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Incivility and disruptive editing

--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 05:14, 18 September 2008 (UTC)