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Safavids

Hello. What do you suggest for the Safavids page? I think that there should not be any reference to their origin in the intro, since this is a controversial toppic and because the many sources contradict each other. The origin should be discussed in the "origin" section and the reader should be given a transparent summary of all reliable sources. What do you think? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.82.143.168 (talk) 03:03, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

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Pontic Greek Genocide

Hi Kansas Bear. Thank you for your message and for your tactful approach but tact is completely unnecessary in this case. Far from being a personal conversation, this topic is open to anyone. Your contribution was appreciated and this is why I personally thanked you on the talk page (diff). I agree with you. I have been in difficult conversations before but this one is exceptional in the sense of all the semantic inventions employed to change the title of the article, in spite of all the available information. That's why when I saw your comments I realised that, despite all the fog raised in the discussion, there were other people, external to the debate, who could see through that. Seeing also that you are a historian made your comments even more relevant. Please consider this an invitation to further contribute to this debate. Your expertise is greatly needed in such a difficult topic. Thanks again and take care. Dr.K. (talk) 04:24, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you Kansas Bear for your message. It is remarkable how your perception of this situation regarding Phlip's stance is identical to mine. If you noticed I don't participate in this debate any longer due to the fact that despite my arguments and objections and the many more arguments presented from other users as well as your well taken points about the holocaust etc., we all seem to be talking to a wall. I don't know where this is going given his attitude but others are still participating for some reason submitting loads of new sources. Anyway this whole process looks irregular. Maybe we have to have another admin/expert or a group of admins that can take over this exchange and handle it in a more objective manner. Thank you again because you completely validated my original perception of Philip's attitude point by point and I really appreciate that. Take care. Dr.K. (talk) 12:35, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Your recent edits to Guenter Lewy

I have reverted your recent edits to this article per Misplaced Pages:Biographies_of_living_persons#Remove_unsourced_or_poorly_sourced_contentious_material, as they employed an original research interpretation of the sources cited to advance a controversial claim concerning a living person contained nowhere in the sources themselves. Please note that per Misplaced Pages:Biographies_of_living_persons#Blocking, your account may be blocked if you continue to restore this material. John254 22:56, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

No need to panic, sooner or later someone in wiki was going to disagree with you. Thats when you use the talkpage and quote from reliable sources. And In Lewy's case you can actually quote him. I also replied here --VartanM (talk) 06:00, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

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EOKA edit

Hi Kansas Bear.

Quick question - I tweaked the EOKA article (anonymously unfortunately) as Grivas didn't appear to have had a distinguished WWII? I appreciate this is a touchy subject so I may be wrong, but couldn't see anything in the actual Grivas item to support this. His early military career seems to be distinguished (decorated for bravery, etc) but was there anything similar for WWII?

Cheers Alunwyn (talk) 11:45, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

PKK as a terrorist organization

Why you are removing the "terrorist" term? --Ilhanli (talk) 23:47, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

"The PKK is listed as a terrorist organization" and "The PKK is a terrorist organization" are very different thing. What isn't needed is a person with nationalistic intentions, trying to "glorify" a terroris organization which killed even Kurdish babies, which babies' familes refused to help PKK . --Ilhanli (talk) 00:42, 24 May 2008 (UTC) If there is a source that it is a terrorist organization, then it means that it is a terrorist organization. Or can we say that "Hitler is listed as main man of killing the Jews"? Is listed... is listed... Al-Qaeda is listed as terrorist organization but it is not?--Ilhanli (talk) 00:53, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

You mean this statement,

Al-Qaeda has been labeled a terrorist organization by the United Nations Security Council, the North Atlantic Treaty Organization Secretary General, the Commission of the European Communities of the European Union, the United States Department of State, the Australian Government, Public Safety Canada, the Israel Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Japan's Diplomatic Bluebook, South Korean Foreign Ministry, the Dutch Military Intelligence and Security Service, the United Kingdom Home Office, Pakistan, Russia, the Swedish Ministry for Foreign Affairs, and the Swiss Government.

Sounds similar to this statement:

The PKK is listed as a terrorist organization internationally by a number of states and organizations, including the United States, NATO and the European Union.

Both are statements backed by documentation. Not simple childish nationalistic libel. Kansas Bear (talk) 01:02, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

So you mean that this statement should be chanced:

"The September 11, 2001 attacks (often referred to as 9/11) were a series of coordinated suicide attacks by al-Qaeda upon the United States." as

"The September 11, 2001 attacks (often referred to as 9/11) were a series of coordinated suicide attacks by al-Qaeda according to USA government and mass media upon the United States.

So, you say that the firs statement above is written by a child? There are examples like that. Why there are two different standards?

OK, you will learn them while you grow.--Ilhanli (talk) 17:44, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Typical, when you can't win the argument, you resort to Strawman Fallacies. So far, you've posted nationalism, libel, and logic fallacies. Continue your personal attacks and you'll be blocked soon enough. Kansas Bear (talk) 21:38, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

It's just a matter of the Misplaced Pages structure and time, not that I am wrong. --Ilhanli (talk) 00:18, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Wrong, again. Hamas for example:

Ḥamas (حركة حماس; acronym: حركة المقاومة الاسلامية, or Ḥarakat al-Muqawama al-Islamiyya or "Islamic Resistance Movement") is a Palestinian Sunni Islamist militant organization and political party which currently holds a majority of seats in the elected legislative council of the Palestinian Authority.

Hezbollah:

Hezbollah (Arabic: حزب الله‎ ḥizba-llāh, literally "party of God") is a Shi'a Islamic political and paramilitary organisation based in Lebanon. The group's official name in Arabic is Hizb Allah Al-moqawama Al-Islamiyah fi Lubnan

Odd, both opening statements DO NOT mention them being terrorist organizations. Yet you in your puerile POV insist on making that type of change for the PKK. These examples prove your POV is nationalistically driven and biased. Kansas Bear (talk) 21:26, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

So you claim that EU and USA are nationalist and biased, too.--Ilhanli (talk) 22:49, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Spare me your strawman fallacies. If you can't accept the facts, that is your problem. Kansas Bear (talk) 00:00, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

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Muhammad Ali of Egypt

Hey Kansas Bear,

Regarding your question on whether Muhammad Ali Pasha of Egypt spoke Arabic, I can confirm that there are decrees written in Arabic signed by Muhammad Ali in museums in Egypt. There are also many statements in Arabic by Muhammad Ali that are documented in Egyptian historical literature. The history as taught in Egypt is that upon his arrival in Egypt, Muhammad Ali's Arabic was essentially limited to Koranic recitation common to practicing Muslims of all nationalities; in addition to his native tongue of Albanian, his was also competent in Ottoman Turkish, a prerequisite for serving in the Ottoman military; during his nearly 50 years in Egypt, he developed competency in Arabic (at the time, both Albanian and Turkish were written in the Arabic script, making this transition easier), however, it is also stated that his knowledge of Arabic was inferior to Ottoman Turkish, and of course far inferior to his knowledge of Albanian; this was also the case with the senior members of the Egyptian military and aristocracy (who were also Albanian-Macedonians), explaining why Albanian and Ottoman Turkish retained a primary role in Egypt until the reign of Ismail Pasha. As stated, this is the history taught in Egypt.

Of anecdotal nature, the validity of which I cannot be equally sure, is that some aristocrats and military officers complained to Ismail Pasha of his insistence on the use of Arabic by asserting that Muhammad Ali's use of Arabic was for formal purposes inside Egypt only and that he continued to use Albanian among his family and advisors, and Ottoman Turkish for his relations with the Porte.

I hope this clarifies the matter for you. Please note that as this is a shared computer used by numerous people, any replies that you might leave might not immediately be seen by me.

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Gaston d'Orléans

Kansas Bear: Please go to Talk:Gaston, Duke of Orléans. Frania W. (talk) 03:52, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

I've protected the page. I didn't semi-protect it because typically we only s-protect for cases of obvious vandalism, not content disputes. Regardless, hopefully this will force the anon to discuss his/her edits on the talk page. Khoikhoi 05:16, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Reverting my Edits

It was quite silly of you to revert my edits on the Assyrian Genocide page without considering why I made the changes. If you examine the actual sources, you'll will note they don't speak of "Pontic Greeks" but "Greeks", not "Pontic Greek Genocide" but "Greek Genocide". If you want them to pertain specifically to Pontus, then please change the sources accordingly. Thank you. Bebek101 (talk) 13:00, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Re.Gaston d'Orleans

Hello Kansas Bear and thank you for contacting me. Sorry I couldn't reply earlier, but you left your message on my talk page shortly after I went to bed. I see that the article is now fully protected so no further disruption shall occur for some time. Maybe it is now time to discuss with that IP the accuracy (or inaccuracy) of his edits. Because if his edits are deemed inaccurate and lacking sources, he will not be allowed to keep reinstating them in the article, even after the protection is lifted. Regards, Húsönd 13:18, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

I believe Frania Wisniewska has illustrated 81.159.252.120's mistakes. Also, 81.159.252.120 has graced us on the Gaston d'Orleans talk page with his childish insults. Kansas Bear (talk) 22:52, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Adnan Adivar

This is totally inappropriate. Please do not make any more uncivil comments like that again. Users who continue to violate WP:CIVIL will eventually be blocked. Khoikhoi 19:37, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

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Your edit in Russo-Turkish war of 1877-78

You edited a quotation I had provided. There are two sentences from two sources describing the events in chronological order. You appended to the first sentence describing events taking place 10 days later. The original was as follows:

"They turned savagely on the Muslim Turks, whom they started to massacre." "The revolts now spread, leading to the massacre of hundreds of Muslims and the seizure of the main Ottoman forts in the Balkan ports nearby."

You tuned it into the following:

"They turned savagely on the Muslim Turks, whom they started to massacre. But within ten days their revolt was suppressed, with a savagery more terrible, by Turkish irregular forces let loose in revenge." "The revolts now spread, leading to the massacre of hundreds of Muslims and the seizure of the main Ottoman forts in the Balkan ports nearby."

How is the reader supposed to know the time of the events in the last sentence? Your edit is simply out of a bad intent. The events in the part you added is already mentioned in the following paragraph. You claim to be a historian but to appreciate history one has to have a sense of time and chronology. I will correct the article.--Nostradamus1 (talk) 02:08, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

If you have a problem with the sentence, "But within ten days their revolt was suppressed, with a savagery more terrible, by Turkish irregular forces let loose in revenge.", then you should talk to Kinross. It is a direct quote from the same book, same page and follows the quote that you gave. You simply removed the part you didn't agree with, as usual. I did not add the Shaw & Shaw quote, that follows the Kinross quote. If you are so worried about chronology, then remove your Kinross quote, since it doesn't state when those events transpired. Any changes will be reverted. Kansas Bear (talk) 02:19, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Kansas Bear, can you please somehow provide (possibly scan) page 509 from Kinross? If we can see the entire page then this will hopefully resolve things. Khoikhoi 02:34, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

BTW, you've added the following quotes from Kinross:

1. "They turned savagely on the Muslim Turks, whom they started to massacre. But within ten days their revolt was suppressed, with a savagery more terrible, by Turkish irregular forces let loose in revenge."
2. "But within ten days their revolt was suppressed, with a savagery more terrible, by Turkish irregular forces let loose in revenge. Killing in a single month no fewer than 12,0000 Christians."

Are they both from the same paragraph, or even page? Again, it would be helpful if I could see the actual page. Khoikhoi 02:37, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

I don't have a scanner, but go to Amazon.com. Type in "The Ottoman Centuries"(you'll have to have an account), click on search irregular, click on page 509.

In Bulgaria a rebel leader, with visions of himself as a Slave Napoleon, had pledged his followers to terrorist methods. They turned savagely on the Moslem Turks, whom they started to massacre. But within ten days their revolt was suppressed, with a savagery more terrible, by Turkish irregular forces let loosse in revenge. They committed atrocities stigmatized by the British commissioner from Istanbul as "perhaps the most heinous crime of the present century". Burning innumerable villages to the ground, they spared neither age nor sex in an outbreak of indiscriminate massacre, killing in a single month no fewer than twelve thousand Christians. Their orgy of slaughter and arson and rape culminated in the mountain village of Batak. Here a thousand Christians found refuge in a church, to which the irregular troops set fire with rags soaked in petrol, burning all to death but a single old woman. In all, so it was reported, five thousand out of the seven thousand villagers of Batak perished at their hands.

That is where page 509 ends. Italic sentence is Nostradamus1's, bold is mine. This quote, "Killing in a single month no fewer than 12,0000 Christians." was removed by me. Kansas Bear (talk) 02:47, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

I do not need to talk to Kinross. My question to you is why did you stop at that sentence. Add the entire paragraph then. I was providing the details of the events which you want to suppress by insisting on a the follow up sentence. This makes the following sentence invalid. You intentionally are altering the context to magnify you POV.--Nostradamus1 (talk) 02:57, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

LOL. Kansas Bear (talk) 03:03, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

I agree with Nostradamus that the quote you added was already basically covered in the following paragraph. I added some additional information from Kinross, but perahps it could be turned into an actual sentence instead of a quote. Khoikhoi 03:38, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Good for Nostradamus. He has a nationalistic agenda. I'm simply trying to keep the article from devolving into nationalistic POV. Kansas Bear (talk) 04:15, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

I want the article to be balanced as well, which is why I added the additional info about the village of Batak. Didn't you notice? Khoikhoi 04:40, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

No. Let Nostradamus do as he wants. With "List of Turkic States..." and other ultra-nationalistic articles, he has an agenda and nothing will stand in the way of that agenda. I simply want the information to be backed by credible references without the ultra-nationalistic POV. But ANYONE that edits information that Nostradamus doesn't agree with is POV pushing, regardless if the information is the sentence directly after the quote he just gave. In no way is his "cherry-picking" of sentences chronological or indicative of how real sources are used.

If you don't believe it is chronological or indicative of how real sources are used, can you please clarify and bring it up on the talk page? Khoikhoi 08:01, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Have you read the paragraph from Kinross? Should I take ONE sentence from that paragraph and pass it off as what was said in that paragraph? This has happened on "List of Turkic States..." as well. Where information contained, usually a sentence before or after one he added, was conveniently "left out". Where upon he asks for sources/page numbers in an attempt to remove said information that clearly doesn't agree with his nationalistic views, yet the sentences were on both pages of both books of the references he supplied. That is distorting references. Kansas Bear (talk) 22:27, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Not to mention his prejudice against Bulgarians and Iranians;

I have been involved in the article List of Turkic states for the past several months. Despite my mediation request half a dozen or so Iranian and several Bulgarian users dominated the article shaping it to their POV. .--Nostradamus1 (talk) 15:46, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Kansas Bear (talk) 17:47, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

I will be asking one more time where in that source the three Bulgarian dynasties are said to be of 'partial Cuman origin. The sentence you added does not imply that. The rest of your argument above speaks for itself and needs no further elaboration about your motives. The only thing I want to remind you is that when you start accusing others with having ultra-nationalistic agendas you are entering the grey zones. One of these days they will constitute a personal attack. Knowing history does not make people ultra-nationalists. It is you in concert with some others who have been editing these articles and trying to find ways to undo my contributions by including such out-of-context quotations as it is exemplified in this particular case.--Nostradamus1 (talk) 03:19, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

"As a consequence, groups of the Cumans and the Tatars settled and mingled with the local population in the various regions of the Balkans."

"To replace Ivailo, the Bulgarian bolyars chose Georgi I Terter, possibly a Cuman in ethnic origin." Kansas Bear (talk) 03:45, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

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Weird additions

Bonjour Kansas Bear! As I was leaving a msg on Khokhoi's talk page, I encountered a problem with someone editing the page at the same time... It was you. This is what I left on his page:

Several *sculpture* figures are being put in articles related to French historical personnages: princesse de Lamballe, Mme de Montespan, Mme de Maintenon. They do not belong there. Checking the contributors' IP address - all beginning 75.106.192. with last two numbers different - reveals a history of vandalism. Would you mind checking this? Thank you.

The IP addresses are 75.106.192.58 and 75.106.192.39. More may have been added since I last looked. Aurevoir! FW Frania W. (talk) 19:21, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Re

Looks like it's already been taken care of. Khoikhoi 07:19, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

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Famille d'Orléans

i think you will find that the edits that i made to the children of the Régent de France and his wife, were made in order to repair the link to their grandmother Elizabeth Charlotte of the Palatinate who was recently moved to her 'correct' name. as regards to their paternal grandfather, as a fils de france, he was styled as Philippe de France, duc d'Orléans his official name and highest ranking title. i will let you work that out for yourself. 86.164.92.185 (talk) 00:18, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

fils de france

it is not difficult to work out that a son of france (and a daughter) would have been styled X de France!!!!!!!! i fail to see why on many pages your edits regard this obssession of yours. its very dull AND unnecessary....please stop it 86.164.92.185 (talk) 00:23, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

I fail to see why you think your "writing" is superior to anyone's. Kansas Bear (talk) 03:00, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

did i say my writing was? 81.159.253.180 (talk) 11:17, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Your juvenile statement, " your edits regard this obsession of yours. its very dull and unnecessary.". Would indicate otherwise. When left to your own devices, the reader would have thought Elizabeth Charlotte was married to "Monsieur" or "Fils de France"!! At the French court, her husband was known by the traditional honorific of Monsieur. None of your assertions have ever been followed by any factual sources, which is why your edits are haphazard and puerile. Kansas Bear (talk) 20:45, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

ahhh...in order to shut up up...i will now source my edits...but then again 'I fail to see why you think your "writing" is superior to anyone's also 86.167.207.8 (talk) 13:47, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

I find your response dull and unnecessary. Kansas Bear (talk) 14:11, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

a mature and predictable response.... 86.167.207.8 (talk) 23:12, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Which explains why you continue your puerile attacks. Kansas Bear (talk) 12:23, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

i do not give up 86.167.207.8 (talk) 13:03, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

???

can you not read...? 81.159.253.180 (talk) 11:16, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

End of summer

Like the French say: "c'est la rentrée" et j'ai l'impression qu'on est reparti pour un tour. Bon courage! Frania W. (talk) 16:33, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, Frania. Kansas Bear (talk) 15:03, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Unsourced Bulk of text

Hi, Kansas Bear! the edit you performed regarding the bulk of text added by user user:90.192.126.127. The text needs to be discussed at the talk space before inclusion into the article. It looks like a copy-vio from another source. The incorporation of large text, without the cited references, is a red tag regarding the violation of wikipedia rules. Besides the text includes very controversial arguments (I plainlu claim wrong) regarding the issues already established in the wikipedia with sources, such as the claims voiced that Ataturk oppose the policies defined by Misak-ı Millî which was signed by the Ataturk himself. Thank your for your care and consideration. You should also look at the Mustafa_Kemal_Atatürk's_leadership_of_the_independence_war#The_mandates_and_National_Pact regarding mandates and its link to Misak-ı Millî --Rateslines (talk) 15:20, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

That's fine. I usually try to keep the article from any vandalism or massive changes. Kansas Bear (talk) 16:18, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Cyrus cylinder

FYI, I'm going to be working on an alternate version of the Cyrus cylinder page which would limit all the "reviews" and subjective interpretations of the cylinder (negative or positive) to direct quotes fully attributed to their authors. I'll be making an attempt to replace the sections As a charter of human rights and As an instrument of royal propaganda with a Legacy section. It would be made up of two sub-sections called "proponents" and "critics", containing the various views on the cylinder as direct quotes, while leaving the rest of article to a factual description to give readers a neutral presentation of what the cylinder is, as opposed to what it represents or means -- free of spin or speculation. Feel free to contribute to the temporary page at User:Khoikhoi/Cyrus cylinder. Khoikhoi 00:50, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Re. Recognition of the Armenian Genocide

Hello Kansas Bear. I personally oppose Armenian genocide denial, therefore I am not the best admin to perform any administrative action against the disruptive user. Still, it is pretty obvious that Turkish user Runningfridgesrule is attempting to enforce Turkish POV into the article through weasel words. I have now watchlisted this article and will help revert any POV insertions from him. That should suffice to keep him under control. Yet, if more users join his side, which I doubt, this situation will require full page protection and dispute resolution. Regards, Húsönd 14:47, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. Kansas Bear (talk) 17:48, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Your opinion

Hi what is your opinion on this:. --Nepaheshgar 18:33, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

That wiki-politics and frightened editors make me sick. This wasn't an issue, until I pointed out that Farrokh was a doctor in Persian linguistics!! Kansas Bear (talk) 20:16, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Re

Hi, sorry for my late reply. Unfortunately I don't have access to those books. Do you know what they say and whether they support Nostradamus' edits? IMO saying "Turko-Chinese" for some of these dynasties is stretching it, most of the Turks in China became assimilated (excluding those in Xinjiang), so it's hard to tell how much Turkic ancestry these dynasties actually had (correct me if I'm wrong). Also, thanks for the links regarding the Cyrus cylinder. I'll check em out later. Khoikhoi 20:07, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Left a note on his talk page. Khoikhoi 05:33, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

1. Kinross: 1977, p.509
2. Shaw & Swaw, p.162
3. Kinross: 1977, p.509
4. Shaw & Swaw, p.162