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:Would a move to "Superstar" Billy Graham not be more obvious? ] (]) 11:10, 7 November 2008 (UTC) :Would a move to "Superstar" Billy Graham not be more obvious? ] (]) 11:10, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
I was thinking of that at first , but ] ] (]) 18:09, 7 November 2008 (UTC) I was thinking of that at first , but ] ] (]) 18:09, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
::This is just ]. It was moved to its current page (from "Superstar" Billy Graham) through consensus achieved through a discussion of project members. Your idea ("Eldridge Coleman") does not "apply more 'naturally'", as nobody knows who Eldridge Coleman is (unlike the "gay" and "meh" examples you gave above...the phrasing of which, I must say, does not help your case). Trying to override a consensus by citing a policy that does not apply is pointless. It's not broken, so don't try to fix it. ] (]) 19:26, 8 November 2008 (UTC) ::This is just ]. It was moved to its current page (from "Superstar" Billy Graham) through consensus achieved through a discussion of project members. Your idea ("Eldridge Coleman") does not "apply more 'naturally'", as nobody knows who Eldridge Coleman is (unlike the "meh" examples you gave above...the phrasing of which, I must say, does not help your case). Trying to override a consensus by citing a policy that does not apply is pointless. It's not broken, so don't try to fix it. ] (]) 19:26, 8 November 2008 (UTC)


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Priceless (Professional Wrestling)

Someone created an article about them. Is it notable at this moment?--WillC 21:09, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Wow, that needs a lot of clean up. I think they've been around for a while now and don't look to be going anywhere, have been big in the tag team division, have 2 reigns as a team and 3 for Cody. I think they're notable enough for an article, but it needs a lot of clean up. Cheers, DoomsDay 21:11, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
I don't know if 4 months is notable, see what happened with Cody and Holly? No article for them despite a WTT title reign. I say redirect or AfD.--SRX 21:30, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
Hmm. You make a good point. Maybe it should redirect to Cody Rhodes for the moment, and we'll see whether the whole Orton stable angle gets done. I think if Orton were to ever lead a stable of these guys, it would be notable enough. Cheers, DoomsDay 21:33, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
Yeah because they just formed in June, and both are rookie wrestlers even though getting a push, but four months together isn't notable, while Cody and Holly were about over half a year together and they didn't warrant an article despite their tag title reign.--SRX 21:34, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

I've been starting to make an article for them in my sandbox here .Adster95 (talk) 17:13, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

I did object to an article of theirs before but I'm starting to think they're getting to the level of notoriety where they could justify an article. Being as Holly&Cody didn't have an article, maybe their should be a Formation/Background section which explains how Cody was a face under the tutorship of Holly, they won the titles on Raw XV and then go on to explain about the current team. They've feuded with Cryme Tyme, Kofi&Punk and are engaged in this bizarre storyline with Randy Orton and were involved in the WHC dispute at Unforgiven. I think that's enough to get them a page considering it doesn't look as if they'll be imploding any time soon. Tony2Times (talk) 14:44, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Hows That?Adster95 (talk) 15:19, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Much better, although I think there might be a bit of overdetail there, like listing all of the matches and rematches they've had, rather than just the important ones (PPVs and title-related matches, and probably the match on SmackDown as it was against other champions). Also it'd probably be prudent to point out Ted DiBiase was debuting when he made his first promo and that the Championship win was his first match in the company. Tony2Times (talk) 18:15, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm working on a Priceless article on my sandbox, it's under work since I've not inserted references yet and I have not uploaded a photo of them, but other than that I think it's pretty good.--Brothers of destruction (talk) 21:01, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

The main problems you have in the article is it talks about the history of Rhodes and Holly which isn't need, it isn't cut into subsections, and it isn't out of universe.--WillC 21:15, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
Why are two people working on the same article in their sandboxes? Seems a little pointless. Could the two of you collabprate or something? ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 21:27, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Image question

What does everyone think of this image? I don't think it is legit, it looks like a TNA Wrestling.com picture.--WillC 23:42, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

File:Steiner Bros.jpg
The Steiner Brothers
It's from Flickr, it's okay.--SRX 23:43, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
That still doesn't mean it is legit. Look at it, the person would have to be inside the ring or standing next to it to get a picture that good.--WillC 23:49, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
Well maybe the person works for TNA or was able to get an upclose shot, looking at the owner of the images, he owns some of the rights to it and he has other images from far away places like the rafters, to me they seem legit, if not Flickr would have removed them.--SRX 23:57, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
That appears to be a pro-shot. No fan could get that close. If it was a professional, that means it was most likely a TNA employee, so it can be assumed the copyright on the photograph extends to TNA, not the photographer. Also, Flickr can't police each and every file that gets uploaded. I'm sure their priorities are well beyond monitoring pro-wrestling photos.  Hazardous Matt  04:24, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

A look of any photo set from the Impact Zone pretty much confirms that this pic was taken from that site. It's not just that either. This Kelly pic originated from here. It's just a fan uploading some of his favorite photos. But the licenses posted aren't valid. Mshake3 (talk) 18:33, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

So when are this, and all his other images, being removed? Mshake3 (talk) 20:44, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

List of World Wrestling Entertainment employees

I've had the article fully protected due to it's edit warring. It needs some consensus reached and discussions discussed. Please head over to the talk page to help address and possible concerns brought up. iMatthew (talk) 02:19, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

I've left one of the "problems" a message on his talk page, about some stuff he can look at. SteelersFan94 18:22, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

If you check the List of World Wrestling Entertainment employees page right now it looks bad --Brothers of destruction (talk) 12:55, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

ClueBot aka User:Cobi

Cobi has created User:Cobi/WikiProject Professional wrestling/Member activity check per my request on his talk page. He runs the page when asked, so if anyone remembers, try to have this list run before the newsletter is run every other week. He said it takes 2-5 minutes to run, so every other week shouldn't be a problem.

The bot checks users contributions and has different codes for different states of activity. It also has a code for marking users "with less than 25 edits." iMatthew (talk) 12:04, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Not to be rude, but why? What does that accomplish? ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 18:44, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
Nothing, what's the harm? This project is very hostile. Backs away. iMatthew 19:15, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
Hiliarious. I meant who cares if the user is active or not? I plan to be inactive for a while in a few months, and I've got to say if I return after a few months, and find I've been removed from the members list because I wasn't active ebough, I wouldn't want to return. It's stupid. Who are we to declare that people get taken off the members list because they're inactive for a while. It's bullshit. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 21:26, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
Accuracy. iMatthew 21:37, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
I stand by my previous statement. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 21:39, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
Wow, no need to get so worked up over something so minor. It's just a member's list. In this project, people fight and bicker over the stupidest non-mainspace related things, it's counter-productive. -- Scorpion 21:44, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
Trust me Scorpion, I'm not worked up. Nobody on this project has seen me worked up, but I'm tired of the stupidity of this whole thing. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 21:50, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
It's really no big deal, it's a member's list, only reason we really have it is for newsletter delivery. Why deliver a newsletter to a dead talk page of an inactive person...? iMatthew 22:02, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
In case they come back and want to do what been going on in the project, without having to read through the archives? Besides, whats the harm in it? ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 22:24, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
What's the harm without it? It also is less work for the bot to have to do. iMatthew 22:26, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
If you remember Matt, the bot delivers the newsletter to people in , not just the people on the members list, so unless you intend to go around removing the userbox from people's userpages, it isn't less work for the bot to do, and it is just a waste of time/space/whatever. Like I said, it's pointless. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 17:11, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

can i just point out that even when i may not actually edit pages I'm always watching them for reverts and such, so please, should I be removed can you add me back Skitzo (talk) 21:43, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

The list doesn't automatically remove people. I never said we will remove somebody immediately. iMatthew 21:44, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
in which case I second the question, what's the point? Skitzo (talk) 21:47, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
(edit-conflict) No, but people have been removed from the list. And it's pointless. And having a list that says "this person is active" or "this person isn't active" does absolutely nothing for the project, and it completely pointless. BTW, Skitzo, if you were removed, just add yourself back in again. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 21:50, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
I'm not a major article contributor. I mainly contribute ideas and suggestions on discussion pages and revert what I can during work hours between calls. So, is a project member now defined by how many article edits they make?  Hazardous Matt  17:17, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Scissors Kick

Do you think it's a good idea to this

If you think it's a good idea, say on this page--Brothers of destruction (talk) 13:50, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

It doesn't read that well. I remember on SummerSlam (2003)'s article there was an explanation on the Scissors kick.--SRX 14:16, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

New member interested in British Pro Wrestling

Hi. I am a new project member (joined today, 2nd November) who is interested in maintaining and assisting to expand articles on British Pro Wrestlers such as Big Daddy, Malcolm Kirk, Les Kellett, Mick McManus and also trying to get some articles sorted about the notable faces, referee Max Ward for example. If anyone else on this project has knowledge of the British Pro Wrestling circuit, especially the stuff that was televised through World of Sport, please get in touch on my talk page or through here. I would be interested to collaborate with you. Thor Malmjursson (talk) 14:42, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

I'd love to help you, I've tried before but have found it very hard mostly because there aren't really any sources available on this, let alone reliable ones. I've done a few things with modern female wrestlers but then RQW revamped their whole website and deleted all their old news archives and results page. It seems like a lost cause I'm afraid. Tony2Times (talk) 23:55, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
Well I managed to find a decent image of King Kong Kirk to add to his article, and also corrected the infobox to show where he died. I watch a lot of World of Sport here on TWC Fight, so I am learning a fair bit about some of the wrestlers. I am pretty sure we can dredge something up from somewhere which will give us something to go on. Its not over till the fat lady sings! Thor Malmjursson (talk) 22:36, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Pictures

This photo album has great pictures, is anybody interested in contacting the uploader about using them on Misplaced Pages? iMatthew 00:08, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Wow, those are some awesome pictures. We could definitely use them on a lot of articles. I'd send an email but I'm not a Flickr user. Anyone on the project who is, should definitely get an email off to this guy. Cheers, DoomsDay 00:20, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Ugh. Most of those photos are mine. Thiefs. What can I say? My work is just that good. My gallery is here. I'll see if I can start uploading images again soon. Mshake3 (talk) 18:21, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Man, how could you not have uploaded these sooner? They're great. Don't forget to add the category for them whoever uploads/transfers/whatever you do to them from Flickr. Tony2Times (talk) 23:33, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Beer Money, Inc and Main Event Mafia

Someone has created Beer Money Inc.. I find the team notable. If someone sources the article it will reach notability as per the admin that deleted it last. Main Event Mafia has gone crazy. Either we get it fully protected or delete it. Because I had it redirected but people kept removing the redirect. Then I quit placing it back in and fixed and sourced the article, and now they are removing the out of universe. I'm not sure what to do anymore and I'm violating the 3RR and I don't want to do that to keep it up to date with the rules. Plus people keep placing in that Sting is a two time TNA World Champion when he is but only once while being in the team.—WillC 23:42, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Never mind Beer Money, it was deleted.—WillC 00:09, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
I redirected MEM to Kurt Angle, the stable does not meet Wiki's notability guideline. I also left a hidden note, if it is recreated once more, I will request full-protection. Beer Money seems more notable, as long as it is fully sourced and accurate.--SRX 00:11, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
Good luck, before Raw goes off tonight someone is going to remove the redirect. Protection will probably get declined since there is no recent activity. Beer Money is being worked on in a sandbox by me as well as Main Event Mafia which will eventually gain notability. I just need to source Beer Money Inc.—WillC 00:18, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Delete this image, I don't know how.

Image:Maineventmafia2.jpg is copywritten though it is from Commons. The link to the photo is on the image page. It is from TNA, need I say more.--WillC 20:28, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

The image has to be deleted over there. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 22:44, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
You are going to have to propose it's deletion at Commons.--SRX 22:53, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Yeah we can't do anything 99.224.117.66 (talk) 16:03, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

CZW World Heavyweight Championship

Has been nominated for removal as a Featured List. Please comment here. -- Scorpion 00:52, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Waitling list?

I know someone (SRX?) proposed we get rid of the waiting list, and I agreed at the time, but nobody else really said anything. The list was useful at first, because people would copyedit and give suggestions to articles on the list, so they were as good as possible before being nominated at GAN. It helped eliminate problems such as with Talk:No Mercy (2007), where the GAN reviewer claimed the article wasn't ready. After it had been picked for review, I copyedited the article, and SRX also pointed out some problems. Clearly, neither of us used the waiting list that may have been beneficial in this case, and if we had, the article may have already been passed. I know a lot of us have much busier schedules now-a-days, so I am wondering....is the waiting list worth keeping around if people re-commit to using it properly? If not, should we remove it and allow people to nominate freely? Nikki311 01:42, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

  • Remove. iMatthew 01:51, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
  • Remove - I say remove because the project hast lost a lot of activity and are not taking advantage of the waiting list, plus other projects don't have this. If a user wants a review, they should take the liberty to ask or they should just nominate it. Btw, it was me :)--SRX 01:59, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
  • Remove - The list of GAs is quite long anyway, and we may as well put the articles on the GA page and let them wait there so that other sports related articles don't get ahead of us. It's not like we can't just ask someone in the project to review an article if it's needed, and unless the article is very poor I'm sure the GA reviewer would leave an adequate review to get it to GA. Cheers, DoomsDay 02:09, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

I've removed it for now unless there are any serious objections. Feel free to nominate to your heart's content. Nikki311 19:51, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

"Removing watchlist" - lol iMatthew 20:02, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Billy Graham (wrestler) -> Eldridge Coleman_Eldridge_Coleman-2008-11-06T22:28:00.000Z">

Quantifier. Don't get pissed off, I'm not the one who deleted ANC. RandySavageFTW (talk) 22:28, 6 November 2008 (UTC)_Eldridge_Coleman"> _Eldridge_Coleman">

I don't think this would be beneficial. Per your recent comment in a discussion about an article move ("Why? He's not known as Shayne Bower... at all."), Billy Graham has never and will never be known as Eldridge Coleman. GaryColemanFan (talk) 00:03, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:NCP#Qualifier_between_bracketing_parentheses RandySavageFTW (talk) 00:31, 7 November 2008 (UTC)_Eldridge_Coleman"> _Eldridge_Coleman">

Yes, that page does support my statement. Can I assume, then, that you have changed your mind about the move request? GaryColemanFan (talk) 03:09, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
I support it per other moves that occurred like this, such as Sting (wrester) to Steve Bor? (Bor-something) to remove the quantifier, and from Sabu (wrestler) to Terry Brunk.--SRX 03:18, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Actually it says avoid using this type of disambiguation where possible. Plus we've done it to many articles now like the wrestler who owns everyone, gay, and meh. RandySavageFTW (talk) 10:52, 7 November 2008 (UTC)_Eldridge_Coleman"> _Eldridge_Coleman">

Would a move to "Superstar" Billy Graham not be more obvious? Darrenhusted (talk) 11:10, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

I was thinking of that at first , but Misplaced Pages:NCP#Qualifiers_not_between_brackets RandySavageFTW (talk) 18:09, 7 November 2008 (UTC)_Eldridge_Coleman"> _Eldridge_Coleman">

This is just beating a dead horse. It was moved to its current page (from "Superstar" Billy Graham) through consensus achieved through a discussion of project members. Your idea ("Eldridge Coleman") does not "apply more 'naturally'", as nobody knows who Eldridge Coleman is (unlike the "meh" examples you gave above...the phrasing of which, I must say, does not help your case). Trying to override a consensus by citing a policy that does not apply is pointless. It's not broken, so don't try to fix it. GaryColemanFan (talk) 19:26, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

DYK suggestion for Royal Rumble (1993)?

I just expanded this article and would like to submit something for Did You Know?. I can't really think of anything from the article to submit, though. Does anyone have a suggestion? Thanks, GaryColemanFan (talk) 23:58, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

What about something to the effect of: "... At the Royal Rumble (2003), for the first time, the winner of the Royal Rumble match was guaranteed a match for the WWF Championship at WrestleMania, which subsequently became an annual tradition." Nikki311 00:02, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. I've been staring at the article for a while now trying to think of something. That works well. GaryColemanFan (talk) 00:04, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
(edit conflict) or: "...at the Royal Rumble (1993) Ric Flair left the WWF after losing a loser leaves town match and did not return until 2001." Nikki311 00:05, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Actually the Loser Leaves Town match was the Raw after the RR.. RandySavageFTW (talk) 00:33, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

We could also go with "...at the Royal Rumble (1993), Giant González made his debut in the WWF by eliminating the Undertaker from the Royal Rumble match." Cheers, DoomsDay 03:20, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Hawkins & Ryder

I have a really good photo of them as Hawkins and Ryder, but how do you upload it into the article again????, I also have pictures of the Boogeyman, Miz, and several more--Brothers of destruction (talk) 18:30, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Well, first you have to upload it to wikipedia. Use the "Upload file" link at the toolbox on the side of the page.
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Then just follow the instructions. Btw, I take it these are photos you've taken yourself, not copyrighted images. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 19:13, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
If you've already done that, that to put it in the article it's ] If you want to put it on a certain side, than add in either "left" or "right". ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 19:33, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Gail Kim

Everyone watch Gail Kim. The rumors are going around she has signed with WWE but there is no source for this, at least a reliable one.--WillC 22:31, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Watched.--SRX 22:40, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
PWInsider reported it. That's reliable. Mshake3 (talk) 01:28, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
In your view it is, but on Wiki it's blacklisted. Why don't you try and actually change that..... ask round to try and make it "un" blacklisted? D.M.N. (talk) 09:32, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Over the Edge (1999) Sourcing

I wanted to make OTE 99 a FA, but since there aren't that many reliable sources to cite the results or episodes of Raw, I am requesting comments/help on this issue. Does anybody have a mag, newsletter, or book outlining the event itself?--SRX 23:30, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

I know Mick Foley's Foley is Good book has a chapter about Owen Hart's accident, and I'm sure one of Bret Hart's DVDs or books would have a good deal of info on it. If you don't have a copy of Foley is Good I'd be more than happy to contribute that source. As for the event itself, that'd be hard to track down. Maybe an old DVD or VHS tape off of Amazon or Ebay? Amazon has a used VHS tape, but it's like 35 bucks. Ebay might have a deal. Cheers, DoomsDay 00:15, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
Well, could you tell me what Foley says in his book about the incident?--SRX 00:21, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
Try Google Books. It'll let you read the pages containing those words. It really is a big help. I've used it for book sources on numerous articles. Nikki311 00:51, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
Could you try a wayback machine website like archive.org? I don't know if WWF had a website back then but if they did they'd probably put something up. PXK /C 12:07, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

List of World Wrestling Entertainment employees‎

Holy crap, this page was just unprotected and reformatted, and it's attracting vandals already. Please help out on the talk page so we can reach consensus and warn users who go against it (so we have a valid consensus to work off of). I just need some help over there. iMatthew 00:56, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

We need to establish the consensus here. That talk page is filling up with IP's and unexperienced editors trying to get the old page back and establish consensus amongst themselves.

Can we try to start off here by forming a consensus about adding championships to the notes section of the table? Many are adding them, and I've reverted them until we can reach a consensus about it. iMatthew 13:20, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Some pics if you need em.

http://community.naturalmotion.com/forum/showthread.php?t=25368

(I'm wf104se) The guy went to a SD!/ECWWE show in france and got some good pics. as you can see, he gave me permission in post 6 to upload these here. Any of these we can use? PXK /C 13:52, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

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