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Hi

Michel, I want you to please understand why you are encountering resistance to your edits. There are 2 reasons:
1) Articles on Ragusan people and Ragusan noble families have been fought over for months on end in the past. Some Ragusans are undoubtedly more Croatian, while still others are more Romance in culture (and therefore use the Romance names). However, things are not that simple: the Ragusan noble families are agreed upon to have a dual-ethnicity, Slavic and Romance Dalmatian. Therefore the difference between who was "more Slavic" and who was "more Romance" is often quite blurred and obscure ("obscure"=no good sources), which causes veritably endless conflicts. At that time, after much debate, a "format" was agreed-upon: (Slavic/Romance), a format which you will find is used in every single noble family from Ragusa. Exceptions from this editor consensus must be very rare and very well proven.
2) You are not using proper Misplaced Pages procedure for the changes you wish to achieve. You are not proposing moves, and you are not using hard verifiable sources (images are not verifiable). Half the time you are not even discussing but are only edit-warring.
All in all, I suggest you put together a strong case with verifiable sources and then propose an article move. --DIREKTOR 07:16, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Um, did you receive my message? --DIREKTOR 14:08, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Warning

Please stop. If you continue to move pages to bad titles or before discussions about the title have ended, as you did to Marin Bunić, you will be blocked from editing Misplaced Pages. --DIREKTOR 15:44, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

DIRECKTOR is the owner of Misplaced Pages, Tito of Misplaced Pages, he have the true!

If nothing else, at least he have the English ;) --DIREKTOR 20:39, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Warning

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on House of Bunić/Bona. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution. --DIREKTOR 15:45, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

November 2008

Welcome to Misplaced Pages. The recent edit you made to Marin Bunić has been reverted, as it appears to be unconstructive. Use the sandbox for testing; if you believe the edit was constructive, ensure that you provide an informative edit summary. You may also wish to read the introduction to editing. Thank you. MatthewYeager 15:03, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Ragusan noble families

-- Hello DeBona

I have been following the discussion on Ragusan noble families for some time.

I have included some facts and proposals regarding Ragusan noble families on the talk/discussion page of the House of Bona. I have also addressed Direktor there regarding discrepancies in his statements e.g. editor consensus and Misplaced Pages policies.

I would like to point out that I am not aware that there is any editor consensus regarding ragusan noble families. Somewhere in June/July 2008 the names of all families were being changed to slavic version with original forms left out or put as secondary colloquial forms ("known as") with no explanations or sources whatsoever by direktor.

In the case of Caboga family and Bernard Caboga, a slavic version was introduced by direktor that does not exist. Inspite of me initiating communication as well as warnings on his user page and article discussion pages, he never replied, never gave sources or similar, he just engaged in edit warring. So much for his second comment about edit warring.

Additionally I would like to point your attention to the following Misplaced Pages policy:

especially

"Consensus can change" Policy shortcut:WP:CCC

Citation: Consensus is not immutable. Past decisions are open to challenge and are not binding, and changes are sometimes reasonable.

Misplaced Pages remains flexible because new people may bring fresh ideas, growing may evolve new needs, people may change their minds over time when new things come up, and we may find a better way to do things.

Caboga (talk) 15:14, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Hello Debona

It is evident that the editors consent that Direktor was constantly mentioning does not exist. We repeatedly inquired about it, never got an answer. Editors consent is not a justification for original research, Misplaced Pages policy clearly regulates that. Misplaced Pages allows editing when verifiable sources are cited, policy of no original research. So go ahead and edit, since verifiable sources are in place. Include the sources on legally inherited latin/roman surname forms and put in a note about the duality in language in Ragusa. This is not a controversial edit.

Just because somebody claims the world is flat doesn't mean it is.

Regards Caboga (talk) 11:50, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

How nice, someone finally reads Wiki policy... well then, I'm looking forward to a real argumented discussion on the subject, provided of course, that you can find WP:SOURCEs. --DIREKTOR 16:38, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Hello Debona

It is evident that the editors consent that Direktor was constantly mentioning does not exist. We repeatedly inquired about it, never got an answer. Editors consent is not a justification for original research, Misplaced Pages policy clearly regulates that. Misplaced Pages encourages editing when verifiable sources are cited, policy of no original research. So go ahead and edit, since verifiable sources are in place. Include the sources on legally inherited latin/roman surname forms and put in a note about the duality in language in Ragusa. This is not a controversial edit.

Just because somebody claims the world is flat doesn't mean it is.

Regards Caboga (talk) 11:50, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the info Caboga (and the good example of Bernard Caboga -- all excesses become unsustainable at some point).

Direktor, you don't seem to practice what you preach. What gives you the right to change the pages that were created by Ragusino? Aren't you the one who started the edit warring?

Debona.michel (talk) 13:34, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

November 2008

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on House of Bunić/Bona. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution. AlasdairGreen27 (talk) 11:56, 17 November 2008 (UTC)