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Page move

I moved /User talk:Delicious carbuncle/Archive 4 to User talk:Delicious carbuncle/Archive 4 where i assume it should have ended up. Just in case you need to update any links :) Excirial 16:41, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Somehow I manage to screw up making user pages every time. Thanks. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 16:44, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, thats what automated archiving and User:MiszaBot are meant for. You might want to give it a try. Excirial 16:49, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

I don't mind doing the archiving myself when I feel like it needs it, I just need to be more careful creating user pages. Thanks for the suggestion, though. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 16:54, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

I can't follow directions at the top of a talk page

You want to delete 'Fakin' Da Funk'.

This was a film on USA Networks that was one of the highest-rated films in 2000.

I'll have to dispute this with an administrator. Wikiusernewyork (talk) 17:16, 3 October 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikiusernewyork (talk • contribs) 17:10, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, if I wanted to delete it, I would have nominated it for deletion, which I haven't. You are welcome to bring this up with an admin, but I don't believe we have any dispute. Thanks. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 17:19, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

We don't have a dispute - I just don't understand the coi tags. I don't think fans should be included in the coi. Otherwise, who would do Tom Hanks, Tom Cruise, Saving Private Ryan, Lost in Translation, and scores of other films and filmmakers? We should coi everything then. This is why it's not clear to me. Wikiusernewyork (talk) 02:37, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Again, please see the discussion on the article's talk page. This has nothing to do with "fans". Thanks. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 02:50, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

re The Genius Club

Okay...you are right...now how do we correct the article to eliminate NPOV problems?....let's get it right so we can delete tag. Any help on your part is appreciated... My best -- Lou Luigibob (talk) 17:56, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

The article's creator has a conflict of interest, which is exactly what the tag says. I don't believe the tag should be removed as it alerts readers to that fact. Thanks. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 18:08, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

That had been bugging me for a bit. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:38, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome. Losing the word for something happens to me more often than I'd like to admit. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 14:46, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Re:AFD closing for Tim Chey

When closing the AfD, I saw that the only full delete comment (the other was a weak delete) only took into consideration one month's worth of google news hits. This new search revealed decent media coverage ranging back a few years, and notability is not temporary. I would argue that the articles help the subject to meet the first "criteria" for notability, especially if you take into account the last clause:

• "Significant coverage" means that sources address the subject directly in detail, and no original research is needed to extract the content. Significant coverage is more than trivial but may be less than exclusive.

By showing that the subject had received significant (though not necessarily exclusive) media coverage, I reasoned that the delete comment did not have all the information necessary to make a decision. If you still disagree with my closing after receiving explanation, I will gladly get another administrator's third opinion, and will not be opposed to changing my closure. Thanks, Malinaccier (talk) 19:17, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

If you actually look at the articles found in that search, you will see that the significant coverage guideline is not satisfied. Almost all references to Chey really are just passing mentions. Would you mind getting a second opinion? Please consider my nomination of the article as a !vote for deletion. Thanks. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 20:52, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

While I disagree with your stance, I will agree to delete the article. Most of the News items do only give passing reference, so I can see why you believe it lacks notability. Sorry for the confusion. Malinaccier (talk) 01:43, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for taking a closer look at the sourcing, and for reconsidering your original close. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 10:13, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Sockpuppet record

Hi DelCarb,

I'm actually just curious if you have any idea where I might find out the record number of sockpuppets held by one user. I know I'm probably nowhere near the record yet, but I'm still curious.

Thanks :) Meffed (talk) 20:15, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Edit summary

Hi, I just wanted to tell you that I enjoyed your edit summary with "colon is not a pipe, even if a colon is a pipe" -- very clever! MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 22:31, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll let you know when the tshirts are printed. ;) Delicious carbuncle (talk) 10:15, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

COI disputes with Sullivan Entertainment(or is it productions)

They appear to be finished and I plan to remove the COI tags in the relevant articles. If the disputes are not over I would like to volunteer myself for sorting them (the disputes) out. Sioraf (talk) 18:06, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

The tags let readers know that, as the notice says, "A major contributor to this article or its creator appears to have a conflict of interest with its subject". That hasn't changed, so please don't remove the tags. Interested readers can view the discussion on the article's talk page and the archived discussion from WP:COIN. You're welcome to start a new discussion on WP:COIN. Thanks. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 00:50, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Dariush Kashani - Not unremarkable and rising star.

There are many people out there who recognize this actor and google searches show he is gaining popularity. Please remove your request for deletion and stop being a bully. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gingerhillinc (talk • contribs) 12:41, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

You must be using a different Google than I am. Nominating an article for deletion is not bullying in any way. I suggest you read WP:NPA and reconsider your comment. Thanks. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 15:28, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

I am not using a different Google than you are. He is a respected teacher at a well known acting school in LA, he is currently recurring on CBS' Ghost Whisperer and has an IMDB rating of around 5800 which means he isn't unremarkable. As a comparison, Misplaced Pages has an entry for Sandy Duncan who has an IMDB pro rating of around 7000. If you are a frustrated actor, I'm really sorry. We've put work into this Misplaced Pages listing, we don't see why there's such a strong intent in removing it. If he's that unremarkable...here's what we found via Google: http://movies.nytimes.com/person/1307723/Dariush-Kashani/filmography, http://theater2.nytimes.com/mem/theater/treview.html?html_title=Homebody/Kabul%20(Play)&tols_title=Homebody/Kabul%20(Play)&byline=Ben%20Brantley&pdate=20040513&id=1084179623184, http://www.variety.com/review/VE1117916620.html?categoryid=33&cs=1. If you put any real time into doing research, you'd find he has worked in respected productions at major theatres in strong supporting roles. Most notably this quote from NY Times critic Ben Brantley..."Still, all of the principal performers have moments of letting the audience break through the dioramic stiltedness to glimpse the swirl of inner lives in conflict with a repressive reality. It happens when Priscilla and her Afghan guide (Firdous Bamji) watch a man of Kabul (Dariush Kashani) dissolve into tears listening to Frank Sinatra on a headset...."—Preceding unsigned comment added by Gingerhillinc (talk • contribs) 18:32, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Who is this we you keep referring to? Are you more than one person? Delicious carbuncle (talk) 18:49, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

We are a theatre company.--Gingerhillinc (talk) 19:06, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

You should know that Misplaced Pages doesn't allow "group accounts" - each account should be used by only one person. In response to your earlier insinuation, no, I'm not a frustrated actor, I just don't think Mr Kashani meets the giudelines of WP:NOTABILITY. Thanks. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 19:37, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

OK, just delete it. This is insane. All these rules for what purpose? To give people something to argue about. Congrats.--Gingerhillinc (talk) 21:11, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Actually, the one person per account thing has to do with copyright stuff. That's why you're not allowed to share an account. Burner0718 21:17, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

It's true - some people do love to argue. Burner0718 is right about the reason. See also WP:NOSHARE. Thanks. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 03:02, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Your G5 nomination of The Wordy Shipmates

Yo, I had a quick google of The Wordy Shipmates and the information checks out - it's a notable book and a worthy topic for inclusion in Misplaced Pages. Just because we can speedy delete the contribs of banned users, does not mean we should. Regards, the skomorokh 17:25, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

I don't disagree, but I thought it was policy to do so, per WP:BAN which states in part "If the banned editor is the only contributor to the page or its talk page, speedy deletion is invariably correct". Delicious carbuncle (talk) 17:38, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Just between you and me, if there's an article on a legitimate topic and the content of the article is unproblematic, then a policy that tells you that to delete the article is an "invariably correct" course of action is pretty fucking stupid and ought to be ignored. Thanks for the link, I wasn't aware that this was anything beyond a local WP:CSD convention, and this should be brought up at WT:BAN. Regards, the skomorokh 19:32, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Leon ousby

Have you seen Apron's talk, the closed AfD and now my talk? Getting interesting. TravellingCari 17:54, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Wow. That's some of the least believable misspelling I've seen in a long time. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 00:31, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

I am not harming myself

Bringing it up may be considered a personal attack. We are talking about the Fossett article and all of sudden you accuse me of suicide.

The template was created to be used quickly in case someone else made a suicide threat. It does happen occasionally. Fossett&Elvis (talk) 20:43, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

I certainly didn't mean to accuse you of anything. You are obviously in a confused state, so I was concerned about your safety and well-being. I'm sorry if you mistook my concern for a personal attack. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 20:47, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Mmmovie

Easily taken care of--I undid that outing edit and locked down his talk page. I'm also about to shut off his email capability as well. Blueboy96 22:46, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm sure I haven't heard the last of this. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 23:23, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Took awhile to find where he'd done it ... spiked per G10. Blueboy96 13:37, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi, me again. I would love it if you or someone could get my name removed from all over Mmmovie's talk page. Obviously its a pile of the usual. Luckily he is harassing someone other than me this week http://sciencereasonrationality.blogspot.com/2008/10/mark-bellinghauss-false-accusations-and.html BTW I don't think it was "misguided" of me to come to wiki. It was just to let you know I am being accused of your actions. I really wish you would not edit articles to do with Monroe and anything associated because its me that "gets it in the neck". I hope you understand. I have emailed blueboy re removal of my name from the above page, but no response to date. Regards Restawhile (talk) 02:02, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

I didn't think I had called you misguided, but I found where you may have thought I said that. I was refering to Bellinghaus' misguided attempt to bring his off-wiki harassment of you here, not to you being misguided. Just to be clear, it's the stuff in the history you want deleted, correct? There's nothing about you on the current version of the page.

As for editing the Marilyn and Bellinghaus-related articles, I do try to keep it to a minimum because I know that there may be some off-wiki backlash against you, despite many statements that we are different people. My involvement with Bellinghaus started when I noticed his self-promotion in various places here. It has been addressed in most places and I don't have any plans to edit anything else related to Bellinghaus. Regards. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 04:02, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks DC, actually I looked at the Mmmovie talkpage just now and indeed there is nothing about me on there anymore, so perhaps blueboy has been in and done something - there was previously screeds of tripe with my name all over it, even yesterday. It seems Bellinghaus/Mmmovie is now completely blocked from editing on here, so all is well. I perhaps misinterpreted the "misguided" comment, sorry. Regards Pauline —Preceding unsigned comment added by Restawhile (talk • contribs) 04:28, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Yes, he was blocked after some of his images were deleted and he went on a bit of a tirade. Speaking of which, thanks for that link. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 04:44, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

adding links

Hi,

I had been adding links to information pages - I did not read the policies before I did this and there was no harmful or any bad intentions. Does this mean this ISP is blocked from editing the pages now?

I have since read the policies about external linking and won't be addng any unnecessary links - but will contribute to the page with any new information.

218.185.56.80 (talk) 00:03, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

You have not been blocked (and won't be blocked if you follow the guidelines). Thanks for your message. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 02:39, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks very much! Thats great news - I am all about the guidelines now!

218.185.56.80 (talk) 03:00, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

List of poets

While I'm not challenging you on any individual cases (any I've looked at look about right), your edit summaries appear to indicate that you are applying the criterion of whether an entry on this list is redlinked in deciding to remove it. This does not appear to be valid, since differing degrees of notability are required to merit an article and to merit inclusion on a list such as this. See WP:PEOPLE. What say you?--Yumegusa (talk) 08:43, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:PEOPLE#Lists_of_people actually states that people in lists should meet the notability requirement, so for a simple list like List of poets I don't think there's any ambiguity. WP:LIST is a little more vague about inclusion, so in a list of, say, "noise bands", there may be some room for debate. Nothing prevents editors from creating an article about a notable poet and then adding them to the list. Thanks. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 13:17, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Review Request

Would you kindly review the article as time permits? As a very green-nosed contributor here, I have spent some time reading and learning - my ignorance up until yesterday is embarrasing. Maybe you will find it no longer necessary for your three boxes at the article head? Thank you Mrtphotography (talk) 17:05, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm really the wrong person to ask - I've been waiting for someone to nominate it for deletion. I see you've done a lot of work on the article, but it lacks even a single reliable source (see WP:RS). No offence intended to you or Ms O'Hara, but she doesn't appear to meet Misplaced Pages's notability guidelines and no amount of editing of the text will change that. Sorry. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 17:25, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your time Mrtphotography (talk) 18:17, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

RfD nomination of Andrew Blake (pornographer)

I have nominated Andrew Blake (pornographer) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) for discussion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at the discussion page. Thank you. Protonk (talk) 05:28, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

You missed one...

I saw your deletions of User:Mmmovie's images, but there was one image on my watchlist that didn't get deleted. Same particulars as the others, but it didn't get listed on the PUI discussion page. I suspect the filename confused TWINKLE. I really don't think this person understands the likely consequences of having their family pictures released into the public domain. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 14:53, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Gone. If he contacts me, I'll gladly restore him after ensuring that he accepts exactly what PD means. Stifle (talk) 14:54, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

User:Mmmovie has been indef blocked for repeated attempts to "out" me by identifying me, incorrectly, as one of his off-wiki enemies. His talk page was protected after he accused the blocking admin of being part of a conspiracy against him and reposted the remarks which had been earlier deleted. If he contacts you, it will likely be through a different account. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 15:25, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Ashley Roberts (model)

A proposed deletion template has been added to the article Ashley Roberts (model), suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but this article may not satisfy Misplaced Pages's criteria for inclusion, and the deletion notice should explain why (see also "What Misplaced Pages is not" and Misplaced Pages's deletion policy). You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised because even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. RMHED (talk) 00:06, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Svetla Lubova

A proposed deletion template has been added to the article Svetla Lubova, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but this article may not satisfy Misplaced Pages's criteria for inclusion, and the deletion notice should explain why (see also "What Misplaced Pages is not" and Misplaced Pages's deletion policy). You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised because even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. RMHED (talk) 00:08, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Montana Bay

A proposed deletion template has been added to the article Montana Bay, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but this article may not satisfy Misplaced Pages's criteria for inclusion, and the deletion notice should explain why (see also "What Misplaced Pages is not" and Misplaced Pages's deletion policy). You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised because even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. RMHED (talk) 00:09, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Cirque Lodge COI

Please stop posting a coi tag because the article has been completely redone by someone else. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.237.82.172 (talk) 18:19, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

The editor who did the copyediting on the article is very experienced in COI and copyright issues and they left it on. I'll ask for their opinion, but until then I'm going to replace the tag. If you have an issue with this, please discuss it on the article's talk page, not here. Thanks. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 18:29, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Svetla Lubova

I have nominated Svetla Lubova, an article you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Misplaced Pages's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Svetla Lubova. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time. RMHED (talk) 21:59, 23 October 2008 (UTC) RMHED (talk) 21:59, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

You're up early!

Good morning DelCarb. Wasn't expecting to see you up at this hour. I haven't even had my coffee yet. Cheers :) Henry Jacobsen (talk) 12:52, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

A little mischief before breakfast? I think in New Zealand where I'm alleged to live it's actually late, not early, isn't it? I can't remember. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 13:01, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

No, you're right. For some reason I thought you were in the US (no offense). Henry Jacobsen (talk) 13:03, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Really I'm not in New Zealand. I'm just tweaking my stalker. Now stop your hijinks - I've got a busy day and the AIV reporting on TWINKLE is broken at the moment! Delicious carbuncle (talk) 13:07, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Glad to see Twinkle is back up and running. That should make things easier for you. Henry Jacobsen (talk) 13:12, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

New Deletion Precedent

Am I correct in thinking that if Ginger Jolie, Svetla Lubova, etc are deleted, then this sets a precedent for other semi-non-notable people to be AFDed? I have had some trouble nominating non-notable articles for AFD only to have their subject accusing me of all sorts of underhand dealings - this precident would suggest a complete overhaul of the notability guidelines coupled with the purging of thousands of second rate articles. Which I'm not 100% opposed to, I have to say. Honey And Thyme (talk) 14:28, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

I don't think so. Those cases show a difference in how WP:PORNBIO is being interpreted. The Ginger Jolie deletion relates to whether or not bios for marginally notable people are deleted if the AFD closes as "no consensus". I would expect that this will be applied at the discretion of the closing admin and therefore inconsistently, which is why I don't support the idea unless it is somehow codified. I think any less than famous Penthouse Pet would fail AFD at this point, given the current atmosphere. For a new user, you've started a lot of AFDs. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 14:44, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

That is what I mean - my first AFD closed as no consensus and the article was kept. (Admittedly under pressure from the subject) Honey And Thyme (talk) 16:23, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

It appears that some editors -- based on your first action with this account being an AFD of an article for a WP editor -- suspect that you may be a sockpuppet of someone with an axe to grind. Jody Palmer asked, through her "SEO specialist", for her article to be deleted. Her case engenders a lot more sympathy than yours. Sorry. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 16:41, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm not after sympathy. But I see your reasoning. What exactly is the point of a No Consensus Close? Is it just a keep in disguise? Honey And Thyme (talk) 16:55, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

If there is no general agreement (consensus) that the article should be deleted, it isn't deleted. That's different from consensus to keep the article. although the result is the same. (Except in those cases when it is deleted despite what the policy states.) See WP:DEL. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 17:52, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Issue with your user page

Hi there. I just saw your user page for the first time, and noticed that you have a userbox saying 'This user is being defamed on websites and blogs by Mark Bellinghaus.' I believe this may be a violation of Misplaced Pages's policy against making legal threats. Accusing someone of defamation is certainly a legal threat, and as such should be avoided if at all possible; if this userbox wasn't meant to be taken seriously, then I advise you to rewrite it to make that clearer, or just remove it altogether. If you do not reply to this message, I will proceed by nominating the userbox at WP:Miscellany for deletion. Terraxos (talk) 22:15, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Many editors have seen my userpage but you are the first person to question it. I am aware of the WP:NLT policy. No legal threat is intended nor should be inferred from the use of the word "defamed", although I understand how you may be confusing the word with the legal sense of defamation. Thanks. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 00:07, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for clarifying that. I probably should have known better than to accuse an experienced editor in relatively good standing of making a legal threat, but just thought it deserved comment... anyway, I'm sorry for the confusion, and can happily inform you I don't intend to take this to WP:MFD. :) Terraxos (talk) 00:43, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Relatively good standing? Do you know something I don't? :) Thanks for reconsidering. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 01:01, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Graham Meikle

No trouble at all if you want an AFD instead; just let me know. My thinking was, if it hadn't been requested by the subject, it was borderline enough that I wouldn't have deleted without an AFD; and if the subject had a chance to survive it, I wouldn't have deleted without an AFD even with the request. But the two taken together, I did. Not so much for efficiency, but to be kind to someone by removing their article soon after their request when it was clear to me what the AFD result would have been. Usually (as I understand it) we take the subject's desire "into account" if notability is borderline; in this case, where the border wasn't between keep and delete so much, but between CSD and AFD, I thought the subject's wishes should control. --barneca (talk) 18:28, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Oops, just saw your clarification at ANI, so most of the above can be safely ignored. --barneca (talk) 18:31, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

I think he's arguably notable, but when someone has requested deletion of their own bio, AFD !votes seem to be based on how the community feels about that person rather than policy and guidelines. I think we need to have a codified and recognized WP:OPTOUT policy so that at least we try to treat all cases fairly. I have no stake in Graham Meikle having an article here, so I'm letting this one drop rather than be WP:POINTy. Thanks for your clarification and offer to take to AFD. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 18:46, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Leon Ousby x6

Indeed, I'm going to start on an SSP report. In the mean time I'm tempted to speedy User:Leon Ousby as a BLP (the drugs/alcohol issue) and/or G4 StarM 23:26, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Suspected sock puppets/Orson20 StarM 23:36, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for that. I think G4 applies here, doesn't it? There was also that odd claim that the subject had requested deletion, but I'm not taking anything at face value on this one... Delicious carbuncle (talk) 01:54, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

It's substantially different enough that G4 doesn't apply, I blanked the BLP section. There's something messy here. Don't know whether it's subject/management or what not. I think your original gut call that Orson=Ousby is correct, but I can't make heads or tails of the rest. Did you see the latest post on my talk by the newest incarnation? Told her (assuming based on name) to just start over. Something's rotten with so many people "independently" wanting to re-create and knowing who the deleting admin was. Something smells ducky StarM 02:21, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

User page

Hi. I notice your user page currently links to a page off-wiki entitled "Jennifer J Dickinson and Mark Bellinghaus cyberstalking on Misplaced Pages". Can I ask that you either pursue dispute resolution if you feel there is an ongoing problem you must resolve, or else take this down. It seems unlikely to advance the goals of the project. Thanks for your understanding. --John (talk) 14:28, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

There is no on-wiki dispute to be resolved. My userpage has been linked by Bellinghaus in his blog and elsewhere, misidentifying me as Pauline Berry. Hence the disclaimer on my userpage, and the link to her site. I do not control the content. While it may not advance the project, I don't feel that it hinders it either. Thanks. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 15:26, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately I disagree. By linking to an attack page which defames a living person, your user page is currently in breach of WP:BLP, and if you are not currently engaged in an on-wiki dispute it is hard to see how this advances the goals of the project. If you wish to have a disclaimer stating who you are not you can do so without defaming a living person. Thanks for your understanding. --John (talk) 16:27, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

It's not my site and I don't control the content, but it's hardly what I would call an attack page. Are you confusing it with the attack site that various users have tried to insert into Bellinghaus' article? I won't link to it here, but you can view the deleted article history to find it. This is not that site. There is currently no mention of Bellinghaus on my talk page, so I'm unclear how I'm violating WP:BLP. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 17:03, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Please see WP:UP#NOT. You are not allowed to use your user page to make attacks on living people. I've removed the material from your user page. Please do not restore it. Thanks, --John (talk) 18:58, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm pretty clear that you want the link deleted, but I find your rationale questionable. By my count this is the third reason you've given. I'm not making an attack on a living person. Can you please restore the userbox? Thanks. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 19:10, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Hello, Delicious carbuncle. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.--John (talk) 19:17, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi DC - I have retitled my page to do with Bellinghaus on the link you point to from your user page - if it makes it a little easier for you. To people who haven't experienced the "Bellinghaus Effect" as you and I have, this is all about rules to be followed, but there is nothing to protect the innocent it seems? It seems the internet is a place where a nut can run wild, but normal people get their knuckles whacked (sorry, that sounds grumpy but its the only truth I can find for this situation) Restawhile (talk) 06:29, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure it will make a difference here -- this seems to be more of an idealogical issue that one of actual rule enforcement -- but I do think it makes the web page seem like less of an angry reaction and more of a just-the-facts account of the situation. Not that anyone would blame you for being upset by what is going on. I think in these situations it's best not to give ammunition to the person who wants to play victim, but that's easy for me to say since anything I do here is blamed on you. Again, sorry about that. Thanks for making that change to the page title. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 20:38, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Proposed text for your user page

"If you have been directed to this page from outside wikipedia, please note there is no evidence whatsoever that this user name is that of Pauline Berry; in fact the evidence is quite the opposite." - which I am quite happy to sign. Suggest revisions if you wish. Ty 07:20, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

It's an interesting way to sidestep the issue. I prefer the status quo, which unobtrusively allows users to access a full explanation rather than a cryptic statement, but thanks for your offer. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 14:31, 21 November 2008 (UTC)