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WT:MENTOR follow-up

Following up the RfC, I've started a thread at WT:MENTOR here. I've been perusuing the history of that page, and it is quite interesting. Maybe that page should be used more? It also seems to clearly lay out what the difference is between voluntary and involuntary mentorship. It might also help if people link to that page more often (the RfArb clarification thread failed to link to WP:MENTOR). Carcharoth (talk) 13:23, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

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look, in my view your posts concerning me have been escalating things erratically over the last few days, to the point where yesterday you said 'a clear statement would be sufficient for this to be closed down' and today I'm 'mostly a trouble maker in both project and mainspace'. You're aware that I really appreciated the work and time you put in on my mentorship, but I don't think it's fair that you're being so unnecessarily aggressive, and your comments are moving beyond the pale.

I don't know quite what the best thing to happen at the RfC is, but if you'd like to 'have something out' with me, let's get it all out on the table as soon as possible in whatever way you think's best. If you just want nothing to do with me, well that's your prerogative too, but please don't escalate any further - I don't think it's right. Privatemusings (talk) 05:03, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

You have clearly stated that you're intending to drop this particular issue, which is great and should mean that the RFC is seen as having obtained the desired result. Still, I feel that you deserve to know my views. Whether you like them or not. I do want happy times again, but if you dont take to heart what is being said on the RFC (by others.. not just me), those happy times wont happen. John Vandenberg 05:25, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

ah... cool... well I'm glad to hear how you feel (and appreciate you sharing your thoughts, especially the blunt ones) - maybe it's one of those 'hard to read what's going on behind the text' things that led to me feeling a bit vulnerable or something, or that things were getting a bit out of hand. Maybe there's some sore feelings there on my part too. It is all better out than in, and I'm sure it'll all come out in the wash in due course.... best, Privatemusings (talk) 05:37, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

George Thurston

Hi Jayvdb,

Just found your wikipedia article. George was my grandfather. Are you a relative? I would love to hear from you. My name is Rosalind McConnel, email ros@mcconnel.net.

Kind regards, Ros —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.176.157.40 (talk) 14:15, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

No, I am not a relative. I came across the biography about your grandfather while I was researching a different George Thurston, who was a member of the Abraham Lincoln Brigade.

I've emailed you. John Vandenberg 23:47, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

ERM

Discussion at User talk:Kenllama#Electronic Resource Management System

I just added to our discussion at User talk:Kenllama#Electronic Resource Management System Kenllama/(talk) 15:03, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Psst...'Pander', not 'panda'.

You just offered him a bear. HalfShadow 03:28, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

It wont be a cuddly koala bear if this lobby group stuff has legs to it!

I realised my mistake as I clicked submit; there is no edit button for edit summaries, for good or ill. Glad to see my mistake wasnt missed & thanks for dropping by.John Vandenberg 03:36, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Bill Clinton

Bill Clinton has been nominated for a good article reassessment. Articles are typically reviewed for one week. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to good article quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status will be removed from the article. Reviewers' concerns are here. --Michael Johnson (talk) 00:32, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up; I have started Arkansas gubernatorial election, 1983 as I agree that his quick resumption of the Governership is an important aspect of his career. John Vandenberg 01:40, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

User:Danko Georgiev MD

Hello. You removed this section from Elonka's talk page, saying there were no diffs. However Elonka provided the diff of the incident herself in the RfC if you check. It was this incident, where Theresa Knott had to remove the attempted outing. As for the assertion about the after-effects, the person with whom he identified me on-wiki and on various mathematics forums in which I participated, was Alan Weinstein, Chairman of Mathematics at UC Berkeley, whom I know personally. All the information in my post is contained on wikipedia pages. I have sent you a copy of the personal email from his acting Ph.D. supervisor sent on July 25th 2007. On the other hand I don't quite see the point of Elonka quoting a diff where I was outed on WP:AN/I as a sign of my own bad behaviour: Georgiev was blocked for a day by an arbitrator jpgordon and then reblocked indefinitely. Did you look at the block log or Elonka's diff before you wrote your edit summary? Were you suggesting that I was a liar? Mathsci (talk) 04:07, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

I am abreast of all of this, and as you know from my emails to you, my concern was quite specific and your comment above does not address it, at least as far as I can see. Please be specific in return; via email if you are going to provide any details which are not suitable for publishing on Misplaced Pages per WP:BLP. Two wrongs do not make a right. John Vandenberg 04:49, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi John. Thanks for your emails, which I read after posting the above. If there are any remaining possible BLP problems, please tell me either here or by email. I still have no idea why Elonka used this diff. Mathsci (talk) 05:11, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for addressing the concern that I raised. Cheers, John Vandenberg 05:16, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

No problem at all. Many thanks for your very helpful off-wiki explanations! As it's almost morning here in France, it's time for un grand crème. Best regards, Mathsci (talk) 05:31, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Tmtoulouse RfC

Hello. I have just filed a user conduct RfC for Tmtoulouse. I'd appreciate it if you could certify it, as you were involved in trying to end the dispute. Thank you. -- Earle Martin 06:36, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

I dont believe sufficient work has been put into resolve the underlying problem, and to understand each other. Since the problem last night, I have been drafting Harry Lee Poe. I kept an eye on Tmtoulouse's (lack of) contribs for a while after the block, but havent reviewed it since. I will look at them tomorrow morning, and consider whether there is an ongoing user conduct issue that needs work. John Vandenberg 11:53, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Bot problems

It seems to have missed a whole lot of stuff yesterday. DS (talk) 12:34, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure what the problem was. Apologies. John Vandenberg 21:41, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Hello

Hello! I am from Croatia. On English, my username is The Lord of Universe.--Gospodar svemira (talk) 19:15, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Nice to meet you. I will ask for you help if the Universe is giving me problems! ;-) Feel free to ask me for help if Misplaced Pages is giving you problems. Regards, John Vandenberg 21:26, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Notification

--Tznkai (talk) 21:14, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

The delsort pop-up from your tool is garbled

Overlapping text makes it unusable. It happened in the last week or so. Pcap ping 09:58, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

It appears fixed now. Not sure what happened. Pcap ping 11:03, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Fantastic! I love it when bugs disappear as quick as they came. John Vandenberg 11:05, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Arbcom Election - Questions page

Good morning. I've posted the list of General Questions to your questions for the candidate page; you already had some individual questions there as well. If you'd prefer a different format, or if you want to sort or move questions around, by all means - feel free. Good luck with your candidacy! UltraExactZZ ~ Evidence 13:16, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Email

You got mail Secret 01:46, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Lady C

Nice edit, thanks, but actually Kitty nominated an old obsolete version of the page by mistake. Hohohoho. Giano (talk) 09:02, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Strange mistake, but ... no worries; I'll leave it with you then. John Vandenberg 09:06, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Request

Hi. Here's hoping you're willing to help in my continued obsessive attempts to rid Death of Baby P of sensitive information. this edit used the family surname, and was removed here. Don't know if some oversighting can be done without losing everything else that was added. Ta. GDallimore (Talk) 22:18, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

I have oversighted those diffs. The result can be seen here. The additional now appears in your diff, because as far as the public and admins can see, the "Mayalld" never happened, which means that the text that *you saved* contained a post with a signature by "Mayalld". If there are lots of intermingled posts between insertion and removal, the resulting misattribution of edits plays a factor in whether I do use oversight. A recent case involved ~800 diffs between insertion and removal, over many years, so I decided that the collateral damage to the edit history was too great, and so oversight wasnt used.

Thanks for letting me know quickly. John Vandenberg 22:50, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. This is all very complicated :) GDallimore (Talk) 23:38, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

ArbCom questions

Hi. I'm Ral315, editor of the Misplaced Pages Signpost. We're interviewing all ArbCom candidates for an article this week, and your response is requested.

1. What positions do you hold (adminship, mediation, etc.), on this or other wikis?

2. Have you been involved in any arbitration cases? In what capacity?

3. Why are you running for the Arbitration Committee?

4. How do you feel the Arbitration Committee has handled cases and other situations over the last year? Can you provide an examples of situations where you feel the Committee handled a situation exceptionally well, and why? Any you feel they handled poorly, and why?

5. What is your opinion on confidentiality? If evidence is submitted privately to the Committee, would you share it with other parties in the case? Would you make a decision based on confidential information without making it public?

6. Why do you think users should vote for you?

Please respond on my talk page. We'll probably go to press on Tuesday, but late responses will be added as they're submitted. Thanks, Ral315 (talk) 10:25, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Andre Oboler's BLP query

Hi there, I noticed that you removed a thread from Talk:Jewish Internet Defense Force. There is another thread on that page where someone has raised issues about something alleged about him. I suggestd he went to the BLP board to get an expert opinion. He's gone there but all that's happened is some of the people from the JIDF talk apge have continued the argument over there. I got the impression from your previosu action that you are a BLP expert. Could you maybe help?--Peter cohen (talk) 22:12, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Is this in regards to the WP:BLPN#How to fix an archived problem? thread?

An unrelated issue was taken up with WP:OVERSIGHT, but this User:Oboler aspect may also need similar treatment if he wants complete and utter redaction, revising the public record of conversations been. If so, he needs to email the oversight list, which will permit him to speak more freely without further public disclosure and/or frustration. From a quick look at the BLPN, it looks like he isnt seeking oversight, but would like to ensure readers of talk discussions dont make assumptions about linkage via facebook, which isnt a RS shouldnt have been used on Misplaced Pages in the first place. This should be corrected, even in the archives. I'll need to look more closely to recommend a specific solution (I am thinking that {{sidebox}} in the archives might be appropriate?). I'll take a closer look at this in a few hours, by which time I should have the first jidf oversight issue off my plate. John Vandenberg 23:17, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. Yes. That's the thread.I'll draw AO's attention to this thread so he knows he's not forgotten. As I posted the material at the root of the current oversight issue, then I would appreciate knwoing what not to do again if you do decide you need to remove my edits. --Peter cohen (talk) 23:37, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi John, thanks for your time on this. I'd be happy with a {{sidebox}} solution if you feel that would the least disruptive change that is also sufficient. Perhaps a strikethough can also be applied to the specific statements that amount to false claims? Reading yoru suggestions, I'd imagine a side box would explain (i) this incorrect use of Facebook in WP (ii) the fact that in this instance the information was incorrect as was later clarified (iii) the need to be careful when dealing with BLP, including in discussion on talk pages. Feel free to drop me a message on my talk page or via e-mail if that will help, and thank you again for your time on this. Oboler (talk) 07:31, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks John, that looks like a good solution and I believe this is now resolved. Thanks for the help. Nice Sesame Street reference as well. :) Oboler (talk) 01:22, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

JVbot

This sequence should have patrols of ‎Deucalionite and ‎Drilnoth but it appears the bot missed them. MBisanz 14:19, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

It looks like it is only patrolling the main namespace. Sorry. I'll try to get this fix within the day. John Vandenberg 20:00, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

No rush, I would rather you do ACE stuff right now. MBisanz 20:02, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Greek sourcing

You still doing it? Want me to look over anything (was going through old threads). Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:09, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi again, we have a category for them now on English Wikisource: s:Category:Pages with missing Greek characters. The ones in the "Page:" namespace are accompanied by pagescans; the EB1911 pages usually have a link to the pagescan on the talk page. Cheers, John Vandenberg 00:00, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Virginity

Apologies, the phrase "queer theorists" rather threw me. Abtract (talk) 08:43, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Reverting a good edit and calling it vandalism is unacceptable. If you have doubts, please raise them on the talk page. John Vandenberg 08:57, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Nice reply ... I can do no more than apologies mate. Abtract (talk) 08:59, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Wiki help

My wiki is messed up. Rock Island Public Library. When I click on heading it is not updating. Jacksonbs (talk) 20:10, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Deletion

Greetings Mr. Vandenberg

I continue to attempt to place this paragraph on the Misplaced Pages article about the Jehovah's Witnesses translation of the Bible, the New World Translation:

"The Koine ("Common") Greek words "aion" and "aionios" are generally--though not invariably--translated as "system of things" in the Christian Greek Scriptures of the New World Translation. "Aion" and "aionios" are time-related words. One can confirm the meaning of "aion" and "aionios" in Strongs’ Greek Lexicon #165 and #166. "Aion" corresponds to the English word "Eon" (or Age) and "aionios" corresponds to "eternal" "everlasting" or even "age-during" as in Youngs Literal Translation, or "eonian" as in the Concordant Version. One may also confirm this by consulting nearly any modern translation of the New Testament other than the NWT. Examples: Compare Matthew 13:39,40,49,28:20 Ephesians 2:2,7, Galatians 1:4, Hebrews 9:26 of the NWT with the New American Standard Version, the Revised Standard Version, The New Revised Standard Version, The New International Version, The Amplified Bible, New Century Version, the English Standard Version, the New King James Version, The Message, the Concordant Literal New Testament, Youngs' Literal Translation, JN Darbys' translation, the Emphatic Diaglott (Once published by the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society), the sublinear of the Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures (Created and published by the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, but now out of print), or most modern translations of the Christian Greek Scriptures."

This paragraph meets Misplaced Pages guidelines but continues to be deleted even though I attempt to contact the person doing the deleting. Since the article in question is mainly a sectarian panegyric to said translation, not a proper encyclopedia entry, I conclude my addition is being deleted for sectarian reasons.

I am on a tight writing schedule, currently collaborating with Dr. Eldad Keynan on a book investigating the Talpiot Tomb (the "Lost Tomb of Jesus". Attempting to master the byzantine Misplaced Pages maze is beyond my time constraints, though I have attempted to navigate it. As for my qualifications I hold a Ph.D. in Comparative Religion from the University of Sedona as well as a Master of Metaphysical Science from the University of Metaphysics. I'm the author of two books, and I'm a retired Buddhist priest of the Hongaku Jodo sect of Shin Buddhism. I signed the roster of those willing to work on this project.

I would appreciate a response. Thank you.

Cordially, Nathaniel J. Merritt SunTempleSeer AT aol DOT com

Nathaniel J. Merritt Ph.D. (talk) 20:36, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Alas University of Sedona and University of Metaphysics are both redlinks. Who said Misplaced Pages was almost complete? -- Hoary (talk) 00:58, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

A quick look suggests they probably don't meet inclusion requirements. Oboler (talk) 01:39, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

And this message was brought by the letter "N"?

Maybe not; I do like topics like this.

I'm still undecided about associations and institutions like this. See Ulam Quarterly. John Vandenberg 01:42, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

There was me, about to ask about the relationship between (a) these universities and (b) mathematics, when I chanced to notice that we're talking here not about mere metaphysics but instead about metaphysical science. Crumbs. Meanwhile, admins can get an eyeful of this. (Sniff. They have such pretty websites too. But if you look around and have at least half a brain that you're willing to use, wouldn't $4,500 buy you a degree from a real university?) -- Hoary (talk) 05:04, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

ArbVotes

Thanks so much for the note and information; it's past my bedtime, but I'll look into it first thing tomorrow. Best regards, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 06:35, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

No worries. It was more enjoyable than answering questions :-) Maybe not more profitable..

John Vandenberg 06:40, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

ArbCom vote

I don't see my FM-C68-SV answer as conflicting with my desire for speediness. The issue with speed there wasn't the case, it was the Committee. The Arbitrators lacked the will to solve the case and make the hard decisions we elected them to make, and as such the case languished. That case didn't mean we need simpler cases, it just meant we need smarter arbitrators. --Hemlock Martinis (talk) 19:01, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

The two cases had similarities, but .. would you merge an Israel-Palestinian dispute with an Azeri-Armenian dispute?

The complexity increased by merging them, which in my opinion was always going to cause delays in the case.

John Vandenberg 22:09, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Obviously not with those two cases you mentioned, and now that we know the mistakes of this case I wouldn't do it again. But in my opinion it wasn't the merging the cases, however ill-planned and ill-formed it was, that doomed that case. It was ArbCom's weakness afterwards in taking control of the situation and resolving it that made that case so god-awful. If the ArbCom had the willpower and the chutzpah and the boldness to continue to deal with the case and address the issues, we wouldn't be discussing it right now. But instead, it stagnated and dragged on so long that only Newyorkbrad's return and intervention could resolve it. I hope I can bring his same level of can-do spirit to the Committee should I be elected. --Hemlock Martinis (talk) 07:23, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

I really appreciate you dropping back here to clarify your thoughts.

I'm in full agreement that they could have done something useful with the merge, but it was evident that they would not, at least from where I was sitting at the time. (I mentioned this in my answer to the same queston *)

I also hope that you, me, or whoever else ends up on the committee, will have the guts to make good and quick decisions. There are so many good candidates this year, but it is so hard to read their minds and understand their vision, so we shall just have to hope that somehow the seven that we select end up making a difference. John Vandenberg 08:20, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Notification of AN discussion

Hi John,

I've raised an issue concerning possible irregularities in the pattern of voting on your ArbCom candidacy on the admins' noticeboard. Please see WP:AN#Possible ethnic block voting in ArbCom elections?. -- ChrisO (talk) 00:00, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks ChrisO. I've been aware of it since the first hour of the election, but not much can be done unless I adopt similar tactics. John Vandenberg 00:09, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

I can understand your frustration. However, I think airing this problem is a useful first step to tackle it - it's better to have it out in the open than under the radar. -- ChrisO (talk) 00:34, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
		Thank you for pledging to abide by the numerical results of the ArbCom election even though a canvassing campaign may have occurred against you. For trust in your fellow candidates and dedication to the greater health of the community, you've richly deserved this barnstar. Durova 02:28, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Thank you Durova. The reason is simple: I voted for those who are likely to take my seat. See here. John Vandenberg 02:42, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Here here! I second this well-deserved barnstar and applaud your courage and strong sense of ethics. Kafka Liz (talk) 03:33, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Better than ArbCom

I just wanted to note that after next Thursday, I will be back in full force for a month. I plan on putting quite a bit onto Wikisource, and I will be demanding some of your time. Of course thats way better than sitting on some ArbCom, so you should focus your mind on me and only me. :) Ottava Rima (talk) 02:44, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Great to hear it. I think I need to add a subpage somewhere for all of your requests; they are becoming quite numerous, and they are not the easiest ones to fulfil.

p.s. Horace needs you. John Vandenberg 02:53, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

I know I know. Milton got shoved onto my plate, but thats just a big weekend thing. End of next week and I will be your slave for just about anything at the source. :) Ottava Rima (talk) 03:15, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

mixup?

In your last comment here, I could be wrong, but I think you meant "as there are open seats" rather than "as there are candidates," no? Or maybe I've just misread. Mackan79 (talk) 10:33, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. John Vandenberg 10:55, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Arbcom vote

Not sure how much this matters, but as promised, I have re-examined the evidence, and clarified my position on the voting page. Best wishes, Fritzpoll (talk) 13:24, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for taking the time to re-evaluate. John Vandenberg 13:44, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

ArbCom Vote

As a new user I spend most of my time reading talk pages (user, article and project) and discovered the Arbcom voting discussion through the AN/I board. I only wish I had spent more time editing so I would have the requisite 150 to cast a vote in your favor. Watching some of the trivial and inane back and forth on WP it's easy to develop a cynical outlook. Your fair and quietly stated posts on the voting discussion page is encouraging. Best of luck. Tide rolls (talk) 16:20, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

We spend all this time writing articles and you spend most of your time reading the talk pages!!! cripes. ;-)

Thanks for dropping into this talk page. It is always nice to see a new face in the crowd. There is always next year. In the meantime, can I tempt you to come and join Wikisource? It is a "sister" project to Misplaced Pages, producing digital editions of old public domain books. For December, we are working on s:Index:Our American Holidays - Christmas.djvu - and it has a talk page too! John Vandenberg 16:52, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Well actually you don't spend too much time actually writing article now do you? Abtract (talk) 18:57, 4 December 2008 (UTC)