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Limia tridens male

... that a hypothesized land bridge may have allowed some fish species (example pictured) to migrate from South America to Cuba?
... that a Sunday afternoon phone call to Ken Battle laid the foundations for the Canadian Child Benefit program?
... that in the narrative epic Pem Nem, the union of two lovers is a metaphor for the union of the soul with God?
... that after becoming a born again Christian, soprano Jane Stuart Smith abandoned a successful opera career to pursue a life of service?
... that Singapore's first R-rated play was performed despite the police finding parts of it "offensive"?
... that the Filipino boy band SB19 considered disbandment after their debut single "Tilaluha" saw little success?
... that Richard Stratton's diplomatic career took him "from South America to Japan, and from Southern Africa to the foothills of the Himalayas"?
... that while Germans murdered millions of prisoners of war during WWII, the survival ratio of Jewish POWs was generally tied to the army or nation they served with, and not to their ethnicity?
... that American football player Noah Knigga went viral for his last name and had to clarify its pronunciation?

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Length - The Article should contain at least 1,500 characters in main body text (ignoring infoboxes, categories, references, lists, and tables). This is a mandatory minimum; in practice, articles having more than 1,500 characters of prose still may be rejected as too short, at the discretion of the selecting administrators.
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Length

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Symbols

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Current status

DYK queue status

There are currently 5 filled queues. Humans, please consider promoting a prep to queue if you have the time!

Earliest time for next DYK update: 00:00, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

Current time: 16:55, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

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The next update will be produced from queue 3.

There are five queues;

Section	# of Hooks	# Verified
Count of DYK Hooks
November 1	1	1
November 2	1
November 15	1
November 17	1
November 18	1
November 19	2
November 21	2	1
November 22	2
November 26	1
December 1	2
December 2	3	1
December 3
December 5	1	1
December 6	1
December 10	2
December 11	2
December 12	2
December 13	4	1
December 14	1	1
December 15	2
December 16	2
December 17	3	3
December 18	3	1
December 19	7	7
December 20	8	7
December 21	5	4
December 22	5	2
December 23	11	11
December 24	5	4
December 25	6	3
December 26	9	5
December 27	5	4
December 28	12	8
December 29	6	4
December 30	12	9
December 31	12	8
January 1	13	8
January 2	20	8
January 3	11	8
January 4	14	7
January 5	15	7
January 6	17	7
January 7	8	4
January 8	8
January 9	3
Total	252	135
Last updated 16:28, 9 January 2025 UTC Current time is 16:55, 9 January 2025 UTC

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Candidate entries

Articles created/expanded on January 1

Brough Superior SS80

Template:DYKsuggestion Thruxton (talk) 17:35, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Texas Hold 'Em Poker (video game)

Template:DYKsuggestion at 17:21, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Darleen Ortega

Template:DYKsuggestion at 12:37, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Hershey Creamery Company

Template:DYKsuggestion at 09:29, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

2008 Music City Bowl

Template:DYKsuggestion at 07:16, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

The Dark Defender

Template:DYKsuggestion at 05:19, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

HMAS Jeparit

Template:DYKsuggestion at 05:11, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Jeff Moronko

Template:DYKsuggestion.

ALT: ... that Jeff Moronko had four at bats but no hits on his Major League Baseball debut? — RyanCross (talk) 04:35, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

William Phelps (colonist)

Template:DYKsuggestion at 04:03, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Quantitative Precipitation Forecast

Template:DYKsuggestion at 03:46, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

St. Augustine in the American Civil War

Template:DYKsuggestion at 03:17, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

This took place on January 7, 1861, so January 7 would make the best date for this to be featured.--Gen. Bedford 03:53, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Barry Foote

Template:DYKsuggestion. — RyanCross (talk) 02:54, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

The word "baseball" in there could be handy for those who aren't familiar. :) —97198 (talk) 13:37, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

List of Dallas Stars head coaches

... that there have been four head coaches for the Dallas Stars, an American professional ice hockey team based in Dallas, Texas? Self-nom, 5x expanded -- _{signed by} SRE.K.A~~nnoyomous~~.L.24 _{(spell my name backwards)} at 02:53, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

There are better hooks available, if a bit of research is done to add a few sentences and references to this article. For example, general manager Bob Gainey fired himself as head coach in 1996. See here and here and here and here and here. - Dravecky (talk) 13:05, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Kelly Paris

Template:DYKsuggestion. First nomination of the year for DYK! :-) — RyanCross (talk) 00:50, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

The word "baseball" in there could be handy for those who aren't familiar. :) —97198 (talk) 13:37, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Jerzy Putrament

Template:DYKsuggestion at 16:39, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 31

Robert Eric Wone

Template:DYKsuggestion at 19:30, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Rufus T. Bush

Template:DYKsuggestion at 19:25, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Washington Park Subdivision

Template:DYKsuggestion at 16:13, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

David Logan (Oregon politician)

Template:DYKsuggestion at 11:14, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Iminoglycinuria

Template:DYKsuggestion at 01:09, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

1941 Florida hurricane

... that despite producing 123 mph (198 km/h) winds, rainfall from the 1941 Florida hurricane reached only 0.35 in (8.9 mm) at Miami, Florida? –Juliancolton 00:09, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Artes (magazine)

Template:DYKsuggestion at 22:29, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

The Green Bible

Template:DYKsuggestion at 19:57, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Charles Bennett Ray

Template:DYKsuggestion at 19:46, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

M47 bomb

Template:DYKsuggestion at 19:18, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Carl Fredriksens Transport

Template:DYKsuggestion at 18:26, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

In and Out scandal

Template:DYKsuggestion at 17:43, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Hook is uncited in article. - Dravecky (talk) 13:14, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Sure it is, ref 12. I've added another too. Maury Markowitz (talk) 17:03, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

All Women Shortlists

Template:DYKsuggestion at 17:03, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

1963 Benin coup d'état

Template:DYKsuggestion at 16:20, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Moved to mainspace date. ~EDDY ~ 16:20, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Shouldn't this be 1963 Dahomey coup d'état instead? There was no country called "Benin" till 1975. --74.13.129.148 (talk) 14:08, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Suvi Raj Grubb

Template:DYKsuggestion at 15:50, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Lowfield Heath, St Michael and All Angels Church, Lowfield Heath

Template:DYKsuggestion at 15:30, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Length and refs fine Victuallers (talk) 16:20, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Carl Fredrik Wisløff

Template:DYKsuggestion at 15:27, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Gillender Building

... that the 20-storey Gillender Building, built in 1897, was demolished only thirteen years later to make way for the 14 Wall Street? -- new, self nom NVO (talk) 14:47, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Date and length of the article OK, references accepted. Nsk92 (talk) 23:08, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Charles H. Black

... that Indianapolis claims Charles H. Black as the inventor of the first internal combustion engine automobile, although his vehicle's ignition called for a kerosene torch? - new, self-nom. by Xn4 (talk) 09:52, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Walter L. Dodge House

Template:DYKsuggestion Cbl62 (talk) 07:49, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Gao Ying

Template:DYKsuggestion at 06:40, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Playnormous

Template:DYKsuggestion at 00:40, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

I have promotional and COI concerns. ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:40, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Sierra Highway

Template:DYKsuggestion at 23:19, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 30

Marble Mountain Wilderness

Template:DYKsuggestion at 14:40, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Djibouti Francolin

Template:DYKsuggestion at 03:25, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

1933 Treasure Coast hurricane

Template:DYKsuggestion at 17:14, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

This isn't necessarily an unusual occurrence. Many Category 4 storms attain winds of or greater than 140 mph. –Juliancolton 14:56, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Cullen Performance Hall

Template:DYKsuggestion at 04:06, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Battle of Same

Template:DYKsuggestion at 04:06, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Montana State Prison

Template:DYKsuggestion at 03:53, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Kamianets-Podilskyi Castle

Template:DYKsuggestion at 03:34, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

An interesting article, but unfortunately completely ineligible for DYK. This is not a new article; in fact, the initial version of the article is dated February 2008. On Dec 31, 2008 the article had a slight extension, but it was far less than a fivefold expansion (not even two-fold) compared with its previous version, dated Dec 13, 2008. Sorry, but completely ineligible for DYK according to WP:DYK#DYK rules. Nsk92 (talk) 04:39, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

I disagree. The article written in user space, and moved to main space here. "Unwritten" Rule D7. Art LaPella (talk) 05:05, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Please look at the full history log of the article. The article was initially created in mainspace on February 27, 2008 and was gradually expanded in mainspace over the next 9 months. Here is the diff comparing the current version with the version of December 13, 2008. The fact that the revision provided in your diff was prepared in user space does not make this a new article (because a previous version of the article already existed in mainspace), nor does it make it a 5x+ expansion compared with the previous operative version of December 13, 2008. Nsk92 (talk) 05:34, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Oops, I take it back. I see that the article was moved from userspace into mainspace using an actual pagemove rather than traditional paste-in, so the history log portion I was looking at actually referred to the time when it was still a user subpage. So it does qualify as a new article. Nsk92 (talk) 05:43, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm, now I am really confused. I don't see anything relevant in the move log but I do see a creation of a brand new manual redirect from a user subpage to the mainspace article on Dec 31. Could someone else please take a look at this and try to figure out what exactly is going on? Nsk92 (talk) 05:57, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

I thought this is the move log, which shows a move, and therefore I thought the article's previous version couldn't have existed in main space or it would have prevented the move. A move automatically creates a redirect from the "from" page to the "to" page. But others are certainly welcome to look. Art LaPella (talk) 06:05, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I think you are right. I was looking for the record of this move by clicking on "View logs for this page" in the history page of the article itself, but for some reason the move does not show up there. However, it does show in the log section for the Sandbox page, as you pointed out. So it seems that everything is Ok with the date of the article after all and that it was created in mainspace on Dec 31, 2008 and so the article is DYK eligible as a new article. Nsk92 (talk) 06:21, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Tualatin Valley Junior Academy

Template:DYKsuggestion at 03:33, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Template:DYKalt

ALT2: ... that Ring of Fire handbell choir students from Tualatin Valley Junior Academy performed at both inaugurations of President George W. Bush in 2001 and 2005? Art LaPella (talk) 04:18, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Caitlin Sanchez

Template:DYKsuggestion at 00:33, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Date, length, and verification all accounted for. However, the article has currently been prodded for deletion. Until this deletion issue is resolved, the DYK nom shouldn't pass. Terrakyte (talk) 03:29, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Prod tag was removed. Clear claim of notability and ample sources should make an AfD rather unlikely. Alansohn (talk) 23:12, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Prod removed. Everything accounted for. Terrakyte (talk) 12:35, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

General Instrument CP1600

Template:DYKsuggestion at 20:51, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

I know what both of these things are, and used them both, but other readers may not. May I suggest (ALT 1) *... that General Instrument's CP1600 microprocessor saw little use in its intended role in the PDP-11 minicomputer, but millions were produced for use in the Intellivision video game console? Alansohn (talk) 00:41, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

IR-40

Template:DYKsuggestion at 19:53, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

produce 10 kg per what? I don't believe the reactor will disappear after converting Pu... Maury Markowitz (talk) 21:06, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

There we go. ErikTheBikeMan (talk) 21:07, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

A Life of Her Own

Template:DYKsuggestion at 18:20, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Note: Hook does not link to the article. ErikTheBikeMan (talk) 19:55, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

That was corrected by Maury Markowitz. Art LaPella (talk) 21:50, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Removed non-free image File:LifeOfHerOwn.jpg. Please see the rules above. --Bruce1ee 10:40, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Looks good. ErikTheBikeMan (talk) 21:07, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

WTH is the "Breen office"? Do we have a relevant link; otherwise it should be explained?

Siege of Constantinople (1203), Siege of Constantinople (1204) and Siege of Constantinople (1235)

... that the city of Constantinople was besieged three times in less than 35 years, namely in 1203, 1204 and 1235?

:* Unfortunately, all of the articles are older than 5 days, and none have been expanded 5x in the last 5 days. Unless 5x expansion occurs, none of the articles can pass. Terrakyte (talk) 16:23, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

After re-examining the articles, I have determined that the level of expansion required is so great as to warrant an outright fail of the noms. Terrakyte (talk) 04:57, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Jean-Baptiste Hachème

Template:DYKsuggestion at 15:47, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Willie McCartney

Template:DYKsuggestion at 13:57, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

ALT1: ... that Willie McCartney replaced his father as manager of Heart of Midlothian F.C.? Jmorrison230582 (talk) 17:01, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

FN-6

Template:DYKsuggestion at 11:22, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

ALT1: ... that the FN-6, a third generation Chinese MANPAD, was specifically designed to be used against targets flying at low and very low altitudes? Chamal 11:22, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

White-faced Heron

Template:DYKsuggestion at 10:19, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

The hook is too long at 222 characters. You need to reduce it to not more than 200. --Bruce1ee 11:21, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Not sure exactly what to count but it should be around 195 now. Noodle snacks (talk) 11:45, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

That's fine. Expansion, date and hook ref verified. --Bruce1ee 11:59, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Yanna McIntosh

Template:DYKsuggestion at 08:42, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Rob MacCachren

Template:DYKsuggestion at 02:35, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Alexander John Scott

Template:DYKsuggestion at 01:38, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Length of hook and article verified. Date of creation checked. Offline reference source accepted in good faith. - Mgm| 11:12, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

List of Canadian Idol finalists

... that there has never been a Canadian Idol finalist from Prince Edward Island nor the Canadian territories? New article, self-nom -- _{signed by} SRE.K.A~~nnoyomous~~.L.24 _{spell my name backwards} at 00:53, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 29

Polyamino carboxylic acid

Template:DYKsuggestion at 11:23, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

John L. Stevens

Template:DYKsuggestion at 22:52, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

This is not a fivefold expansion since December 28, unless we move it to December 20. Please see #Instructions for details, and maybe "Unwritten" Rule D8. By the way, the article should be linked from the hook, something like: "... that John L. Stevens, a former Universalist pastor, ... " Art LaPella (talk) 04:12, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

OK... so ALT1 becomes: ... that John L. Stevens, a former Universalist pastor, helped stage a coup in the Kingdom of Hawai'i to overthrow Queen Lili'uokalani in 1893?

In regards to sticking strictly to the rules: this is my first DYK so I would ask your indulgence in "helping the newbie." Should I just move it to December 20th? What is the best thing to do at this point? Thanks, —Noah 04:54, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

That's an unwritten precedent rather than a rule, and I invite comments from others, but since time is running out, yes I would move it to December 20, although that was 10 days ago. Art LaPella (talk) 05:05, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Well, moving it to the 20th is probably equivalent to removing this entry as a candidate. So, I would simply say if someone feels like making a minor exception to the guidelines they can approve it as is. It seems to me a fair proposal especially given that MaramadukePercy did the expansion in two stages, with a 3.5x expansion on the 29th. Do what you will. :-) Happy new year, —Noah 20:05, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Kangirsuk, Quebec

Template:DYKsuggestion at 16:35, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Arnold Jacob Wolf

Template:DYKsuggestion at 15:42, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Date and length OK, on-line ref verified. At 200 characters the hook was at the maximal allowed length, I shortened it by about 5 characters, just in case. Nsk92 (talk) 04:16, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Rugby-Bundesliga 2007-08

Template:DYKsuggestion at 09:05, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Could a (small) article on SC Frankfurt 1880 be made? That would make the hook look better. Punkmorten (talk) 12:05, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

I'm planning to but it will have to wait a week or two the least, sadly, no time right now. The hook could be used then if not good enough now. EA210269 (talk) 12:39, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Hal Fryar

Template:DYKsuggestion at 07:32, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Unless the hook's grammar is a self-referential joke, I recommend a correction such as "... because of the grammatically incorrect title of the movie The Outlaws Is Coming? Art LaPella (talk) 08:49, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

OK, how about ALT1... that because of the grammatically incorrect title of the movie The Outlaws Is Coming, a number of English teachers expressed displeasure with Harlow Hickenlooper? Spy007au (talk) 09:13, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Or ALT2 ... that Hal Fryar received a number of complaints from English teachers because he appeared in a movie with the grammatically incorrect title The Outlaws Is Coming? --Metropolitan90 (talk) 09:42, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Kelley Point Park

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Roland Harper

Template:DYKsuggestion at 03:38, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Gil Dodds (athlete)

Template:DYKsuggestion at 02:48, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Alvah Chapman, Jr.

Template:DYKsuggestion at 02:27, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Paul Boucherot

... that Paul Boucherot and his partner Georges Claude built an ocean thermal energy conversion plant in Cuba as long ago as 1926? New article self-nom by SpinningSpark 00:08, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

for the convenience of reviewers the ref is available online here.

Fritz Otto Bernert

Template:DYKsuggestion at 22:57, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

I like this hook! Good enough for the next April Fools' Day special? --74.13.128.83 (talk) 02:17, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Pity he didn't survive to the Second World War when he could have been matched against our no-legged pilot. SpinningSpark 14:57, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Thimpu principles

Template:DYKsuggestion at 22:29, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

I can't find a ref in the article for the hook. ErikTheBikeMan (talk) 20:34, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

ALT 1... that the Thimpu principles were put forward by Sri Lankan Tamil delegates at Thimpu, Bhutan? Taprobanus (talk) 04:32, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Bryan Lobb

Template:DYKsuggestion at 22:14, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Scottish Six Days Trial

Template:DYKsuggestion Thruxton (talk) 21:07, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Operation Parthenon, Operation Boris, Operation Finery, Operation Shed, Plan Giralda

... that Operations Parthenon, Boris, Finery, Shed and Plan Giralda were all British plans for military intervention in Zanzibar following the 1964 revolution? - new articles, self nom - Dumelow (talk) 18:22, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

MC-1 bomb

Template:DYKsuggestion at 14:29, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

That image is weird, surely there is a better one somewhere, I will keep my eyes open for one. An alt follows.
ALT1: ... that although the U.S. MC-1 chemical bomb was designed to fit the F-4 Phantom II, it could not fit that plane's successor, the F-16?

Battle of Suez

Template:DYKsuggestion at 09:19, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Averill Park Central School District

Template:DYKsuggestion at 06:23, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 28

Joshua L. Liebman

Template:DYKsuggestion at 09:12, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Harlan Estate

Template:DYKsuggestion at 15:52, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Fishing industry in the United States

Template:DYKsuggestion at 14:29, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Teletubbies say Eh-oh!

Template:DYKsuggestion at 01:02, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Before Colonel Warden started his expansion of the article on December 30, the article contained 546 characters of prose. Atm, it contains 2132, which is not a 5x expansion. The article needs to get to 2730 characters, at least, before this DYK nom can pass. Terrakyte (talk) 03:18, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

But if you move the article to December 28, it was a new article on that date, except for a redirect. Art LaPella (talk) 04:12, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Ah, it wasn't clear to me whether the date was the start or end-point for the expansion. I'll move it to the date that Art suggests, if that's ok. Colonel Warden (talk) 09:45, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Turkish Airlines Flight 634

Template:DYKsuggestion at 08:11, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Tea leaf paradox

Template:DYKsuggestion at 23:30, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

This is a great article! Simple, clear, and really quite interesting. Maury Markowitz (talk) 02:09, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Suggest ALT due to wording: ... that in 1926, Albert Einstein solved the tea leaf paradox, which states that if the tea in a teacup is stirred, the tea leaves will collect in the middle rather than at the edges?

I like it! --Apoc2400 (talk) 11:33, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Also, I don't really understand what the term "middle of the bottom" means. The leaves are still on the top of the tea (drink); does "bottom" refer to bottom of the meniscus? This wording appears numerous times in the article and each time it's not really explained. ~ ωαdεstεr16_«talk 05:02, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

The leaves are on the bottom, below the drink. They are heavier than water, especially when soaked. I will see if I can make that more clear in the article. --Apoc2400 (talk) 11:33, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Very nice! Can we do away with the second person language though? Dabomb87 (talk) 18:16, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Just got rid of 2nd person reference. ~ ωαdεstεr16_«talk 18:58, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

I just rewrote the article's introduction to be clearer and more concise. I reworded some things in the explanation and fixed some grammatical errors in the explanation as well. It's in a bit better shape now. Nice job on the referencing tho - if only everyone was so thorough... ~ ωαdεstεr16_«talk 19:24, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Thank you! Misplaced Pages is great in that way. There is always someone there to fix the mistakes. I may have put a bit too many references, but better that than too few. --Apoc2400 (talk) 22:34, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

June Buchanan

Template:DYKsuggestion at 22:54, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Amanitore

Template:DYKsuggestion at 22:35, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

The article only mentions this fact (the listing) in the reference without mentioning it in the prose. - Mgm| 13:48, 30 December 2008 (UTC) Made explicit as closing sentence, Mgm Victuallers (talk) 10:09, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

ALT1: ... that Nubian Queen Kandake Amanitore (pictured) was buried in her own pyramid in Meroe?

List of NFL teams with multiple 1000 yard rushers

Template:DYKsuggestion at 18:36, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

New article, date and hook ref verified. The picture doesn't cut it as it doesn't really illustrate the ~~article~~ hook (it doesn't have a lot to do with the article either). But otherwise looks good. Thanks for adding an interesting article. ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:49, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure the picture doesn't illustrate the hook or the article - there are 10 players in NFL history who have been parts of 1000 yard rushing tandems, and the picture is of one of them, and the most recent, and one of the two that are part of the most recent tandem referred to in the hook. That said, if the picture is not appropriate to use for the DYK, that is fine with me. Rlendog (talk) 06:20, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for the compliment on the article, by the way. I was actually surprised this list didn't already exist. Then when I started writing it, I found that the history was more interesting than I originally expected. Rlendog (talk) 06:30, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Picón Bejes-Tresviso

Template:DYKsuggestion at 08:57, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

The hook is too long at 226 characters. You need to reduce it to not more than 200. --Bruce1ee 12:23, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Right. Good reason to lose the superfluous first part left over from an earlier draft. Revised: ... that authentic Picón Bejes-Tresviso cheese must be matured in traditional limestone caves until covered in brevibacterium linens, the bacterium responsible for human foot odour? mikaul 12:48, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

The revised hook is fine now, but there are two other problems: the hook fact has no inline citations in the article, and the article makes no mention of "human foot odour". --Bruce1ee 13:28, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I've added the salient point to the article, with inline refs. mikaul 08:36, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. Revised hook verified, foreign language refs accepted in good faith. --Bruce1ee 09:24, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

E61 anthrax bomblet

Template:DYKsuggestion at 05:57, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Du You

Template:DYKsuggestion at 03:45, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Trois petites Liturgies de la Présence Divine

Template:DYKsuggestion at 03:22, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

ALT: ... that music critic Claude Rostand described Olivier Messiaen's Trois petites Liturgies de la Présence Divine as a "work of tinsel, false magnificence and pseudo-mysticism"? Hermione1980 18:36, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Richard Martin (Lord Mayor of London), Richard Martin (Recorder of London)

Template:DYKsuggestion at 23:59, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Alt hook without death dates: ... that Richard Martin who was Lord Mayor of London in 1589 and 1594 is not the same as Richard Martin (pictured) who was “thrashed” by the poet John Davies in the Hall of the Middle Temple in 1598? - PKM (talk) 18:16, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
Alt hook 2 (shorter): ... that Richard Martin , Lord Mayor of London in 1589 and 1594, is not the Richard Martin (pictured) who was “thrashed” by the poet John Davies in the Hall of the Middle Temple in 1598? - PKM (talk) 21:33, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

E23 munition

Template:DYKsuggestion at 21:50, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

ALT1:.. that the American E23 munition was made of cardboard?

This alternate hook depends upon which hook is used for another of my suggestions below, the E14 munition. If the alternate about that munition being made of cardboard is used, then this one, obviously, should not be used, so make sure you check the archives before using this one. --IvoShandor (talk) 21:52, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Stability constants of complexes

Template:DYKsuggestion at 20:07, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Wild Oats XI

Template:DYKsuggestion at 18:37, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Biscuit sex

Template:DYKsuggestion at 18:13, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Verified. Length, date, hook and image. RMHED (talk) 20:02, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, but I am un-ticking this entry. IMO, the hook does ont satisfy one of the key official DYK rules:"Articles and hooks which focus on negative aspects of living individuals should be avoided." A hook about somebody's loss of sexual potency due to overeating on biscuits, given in the context of a post-divorce squabble, certainly qualifies as negative. I suggest that the nominator proposes a different hook for this article, without these BLP problems. Nsk92 (talk) 20:25, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

I can re-change the hook if you want – but it needs to be pointed out that (as mentioned in the article) this claim pre-dates their divorce by some months (and thus is not part of "a post-divorce squabble"), is a direct quote from Madonna, sourced in the article to two reliable sources (the Daily Mail and the Fox News website) with (literally) hundreds more sources out there (I used these two to give a wide geographical spread), and at no point was denied by either party. How about "…that in 2002 McVitie's provided almost half a million biscuits free to women attending Ann Summers parties?" or "…that the design of a 1970s Huntley & Palmers biscuit tin depicting a garden party was rejected by Tesco as it included a couple having sex and two dogs copulating in the flowerbed?"? – iridescent 20:43, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Re your first point, I am not questioning the fact that the statement in the initial hook is actually supported by reliable sources. But DYK rules regarding DYK hooks are more stringent than the general WP:BLP rules and specify that any hooks that focus on negative aspects of living persons (even if properly sourced) should be avoided. Regarding your other two suggestions. The second one (regarding the Huntley & Palmers biscuit design) really pushes the boundaries of good taste, in my opinion, which is also undesirable under the general DYK neutrality rules (which are also more stringent than WP:NPOV). The one about McVitie's might work, although it needs to be properly formated as a suggested hook, with a link to the nominated article being bolded. Nsk92 (talk) 21:09, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
I like the last hook. It don't think it's distasteful. It's simply stating fact. I can understand the BLP issues, but it's not distasteful to mention that a company rejected an ad that was, perhaps, distasteful. However, I think the image is inappropriate for the main page and it's not relevant to any presented hook, so I've removed it from the template here. لenna vecia 21:42, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

I disagree re last hook but, more to the point, after re-reading the entire article more carefully I am much inclined to axe it as a DYK candidate altogether. Perhaps some other DYK regulars can chime in here, since I am a relative newcomer myself. The article seems to me to be a good AfD candidate as the topic appears to be artificially created by assembling several disjointed references and seems, in my opinion not to exist as a coherent topic discussed as such by reliable sources. In the references given I don't really see any of the sources discussing the connection between sex and biscuits as a coherent subject. For example, the Madonna-Guy Ritchie episode does not even seem to fall into the scope of the article as it is defined in the article's opening paragraph. Madonna claimed that Ritchie was trying to lose weight on a "cookie diet" and that the loss of sex drive was one of the side-effects. That does not really correspond well to the article's stated subject: "human sexual behavior involving biscuits or cookies, to pornographic material involving biscuits and cookies, or to the use of biscuits and cookies as a medium for the production and distribution of pornography". The McVitie's story also seems like rather a stretch. A careful reading of the reference provided there shows that McVitie's justified its partnership decision with Ann Summers by demographic marketing considerations ("new cookies are aimed at the same target market - women aged 20-45") rather than by asserting a special connection between biscuits and sex. The ref given for the Mondongo story also appears to say that Mondongo's choice of buscuits as a medium for making a series of pornographic images was motivated by other considerations and not by asserting some kind of a special link between buscuits and sex. The ref says: "Things stink and no wonder Mondongo has even thought of making a work from out their own faeces. They didn’t, they chose biscuits, this time, equally heinous since they are what the wives of the military would have nibbled on at tea-time as they told stories to their ‘adopted’ children." Again, I don't really see in any of these references a specific discussion of relationship between sex and biscuits as a coherent subject. Overall, the entire subject of the article seems to be an artificially created one to me. Nsk92 (talk) 22:21, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Franks Hall

Template:DYKsuggestion at 17:29, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

suggest replacing ", Horton Kirby" by ", in Horton Kirby," or by ", in Horton Kirby, Kent,". Otherwise it seems ungrammatical to me. doncram (talk) 18:11, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Done! Mjroots (talk) 18:41, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

La Nativité du Seigneur

Template:DYKsuggestion at 15:57, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Heathkit H8

Template:DYKsuggestion at 14:23, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

There is only one reference in the article (which is not even an in-line citation at that), to a website that may or may not pass WP:RS. In any event, notability of the subject is not established and would need to be demonstrated first by references to multiple independent reliable sources. The article cannot go to the main page in its current form. Nsk92 (talk) 15:00, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

I don't think it's neccesary for an article to be perfect to be on the front page, but since not even the hook has a citation in the article, this one clearly doesn't qualify. It doesn't meet the rules for DYK selection. - Mgm| 16:41, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Please re-evaluate. A work in progress progresses. Maury Markowitz (talk) 01:43, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Note: These reviews were made while I was still editing (I wanted to DYK it before I forgot). I have addressed these issues (in spades) so I would like to get this re-accessed. I've left notes on their talk pages. Is there anything else I should do? Maury Markowitz (talk) 02:06, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

There are some references in the article now, but the entry still does not satisfy the DYK requirements. First, according to the official DYK rules, there must be a sentence in the article, with an in-line citation in that very sentence, corresponding to the hook's statement. I do not see an in-line citation of this sort in the article. Second, I still have considerable doubts about notability of the subject of the article, at least in terms of such notability being demonstrated by the references given in the article itself. Notability needs to be demonstrated by detailed and specific coverage in independent reliable sources, as defined by WP:V and WP:RS. Looking at the refs in the article, I see a number of refs that appear to fall short of these requirements. For example, ref no 2 (Arendt), refs no 7 and 8 (Wallace) are references to posts at personal webpages of private individuals, definitely falling short of WP:RS. Ref no 3(Obsolete Technology Homepage), also points to a private website maintained by a single individual, a technology enthusiast, according to that website's mission statement. Again, most likely does not pass WP:RS, at least not for DYK purposes. Nsk92 (talk) 15:17, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Schiehallion experiment

Template:DYKsuggestion at 13:55, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Date and length verified, an interesting new article. However, I have a number of issues with the hook. First, it mentions too many distinct facts that (seem to) appear in different places in the article; a more straightforwardly structured hook is always preferable. The bits about validation of Newton's gravitational laws and about the contour lines are both problematic. In the background section there is a general discussion which does indicate that Newton's gravitational laws provided motivation for the experiment. However, there is no specific place in the article which says that the experiment itself did in fact validate Newton's laws. Moreover, I would be rather skeptical of making such general claims and putting them in the hook. A single experiment almost never conclusively validates a theory, especially a complex theory like Newton's law of universal gravitation. What an individual experiment can do is to provide supporting evidence for a theory. Validation as such is achieved by consensus of the scientists working in a particular area and usually occurs over an extended period of time. The bit about contour lines is also problematic. As the article itself points out, technically this was a rediscovery, with at least two prior works doing something similar. A DYK hook is not the right place for dealing with complicated matters of assigning scientific credit of this kind. It is better to write a hook that is more factual and straightforward, e.g. something simply saying that the experiment was used to estimate the density and the mass of the Earth and the value of the gravitational constant G. (These statements would need explicit in-line citations in the article, however). Nsk92 (talk) 17:10, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

The article has been edited somewhat since this, and I have offered an alternative hook below. Responding to your points above:

It is difficult to divorce the attempt to measure the density of the Earth with the fact that it also yielded contour lines; this is the most interesting thing about the Schiehallion experiment, and without this, it simply becomes just another 18th century science experiment. Bill Bryson, for example, brings the two facts together in A Short History of Nearly Everything.
I have now added information in the article that the experiment was considered validating evidence for Newton's law of gravitation. The word "conclusively", I should point out, did not appear in the original hook, only that the experiment "provided validation".
As you say, the article explains that this was not the first example of a scientist using lines to join points of equal value. It was however the first published use of lines marking points of equal land height—contour lines, as opposed to isobaths and isogons—and the following references all employ language to the effect of "Hutton invented contour lines":

British society for the History of Mathematics
Heritage Scotsman
230 Years of Geophysics: Schiehallion and the Density of the Earth, Smallwood, University of Edinburgh
Weighing the World Edwin Danson
John Muir trust, the owners of Schiehallion
Maskelyne on Schiehallion (1) Richard Sillitto, FRSE
Maskelyne on Schiehallion (2) Richard Sillitto, FRSE
A Short History of Nearly Everything Bill Bryson
Cartography in France, 1660-1848 Josef W. Konvitz
RSM Simplified: Optimizing Processes Using Response Surface Methods for Design of Experiments
The Quarterly Journal of the Royal Astronomical Society, 1985
A Scottish paper landscape, Christopher Fleet (National Library of Scotland) and Charles W J Withers (University of Edinburgh)

And these are media that have whole pages at their disposal to make their point. I'm not sure that, with only 200 characters at mine, that the words "invented contour lines" is too far a stretch. I have however modified my wording slightly below to say "gave cartographers contour lines"

Anyway, here is the alternative hook:

ALT: ... that the 1774 Schiehallion experiment calculated the density of the Earth, provided evidence for Newton's law of universal gravitation and gave cartographers contour lines? — BillC 06:00, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

OK, thanks a lot for the explanation, you mostly convinced me. Date and length of the article verified, online refs verified. The hook sounds a little awakward (the part about contour lines), but I think it is OK. Nsk92 (talk) 16:13, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! Should anyone prefer a trimmed hook, I have provided a second one below that omits the middle part about Newton;'s Law (I'm really loathe to drop the part about contour lines):

ALT2: ... that the 1774 Schiehallion experiment to calculate the density of the Earth also made the first use of contour lines to represent height? — BillC 01:28, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

E14 munition and possibly E86 cluster bomb

Template:DYKsuggestion at 11:47, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

ALT1: ... that the American E14 munition was made of cardboard?--IvoShandor (talk) 11:53, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
ALT2: ... that after the American E86 cluster bomb was canceled its E14 sub-muntion was altered to deliver yellow fever mosquitoes and rat fleas?

This alternate hook could go two ways, it could be a double hook, but you'd probably have to let E86 cluster bomb slide, because by my count its only about 1,480 characters, and I really don't think I can get any more out of it without being wordy and ridiculous. Unless someone else has another source, of course. Alternatively, this hook could be used without E86 cluster bomb bolded as one of the hook articles like so:

ALT3:... that after the American E86 cluster bomb was canceled its E14 sub-muntion was altered to deliver yellow fever mosquitoes and rat fleas?

--IvoShandor (talk) 13:15, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Silk Engineering

Template:DYKsuggestion Thruxton (talk) 10:25, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

William Watson (track and field athlete)

Template:DYKsuggestion Cbl62 (talk) 08:19, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

I added the two underlined words to fix the grammar. - Mgm| 12:43, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

The sentence that includes the statement "Time magazine predicted that Watson would be America's 1940 Olympic hero" is not followed by an inline reference, as required by the rules. I hyperlinked 1940 Summer Olympics in the hook. Sandstein 16:31, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

It's followed by the actual block quote from time, but I've also now added an additional cite after the sentence you mentioned. Cbl62 (talk) 19:22, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Qi Kang

Template:DYKsuggestion at 07:09, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

List of Tampa Bay Rays managers

... that there have been four managers for the Tampa Bay (Devil) Rays, a Major League Baseball franchise based in St. Petersburg, Florida? new article, self-nom -- _{signed by} SRE.K.A~~nnoyomous~~.L.24 _{spell my name backwards} at 03:19, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Might as well mention that none of them has a winning record. BTW, the first three were actually managers for the Tampa Bay Devil Rays. --74.13.128.83 (talk) 14:17, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

How about this. Your suggestion is at the bottom. -- _{signed by} SRE.K.A~~nnoyomous~~.L.24 _{spell my name backwards} at 16:31, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

ALT1 ... that all four of the managers for the Tampa Bay (Devil) Rays, a Major League Baseball franchise based in St. Petersburg, Florida, have never had a winning percentage with the (Devil) Rays? -- _{signed by} SRE.K.A~~nnoyomous~~.L.24 _{spell my name backwards} at 16:31, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

ALT2 ... that none of the managers of the Tampa Bay (Devil) Rays, a Major League Baseball team based in St. Petersburg, Florida, has ever had a winning record with the team? - (still not quite perfect, but I think this is closer) Dravecky (talk) 21:48, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

'ALT3 ... that the Tampa Bay (Devil) Rays, a Major League Baseball team located in St. Petersburg, Florida, has had a losing record under each of its four managers?--Wehwalt (talk) 02:01, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Samuel Fryar

Template:DYKsuggestion at 03:04, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Commando (pigeon)

Template:DYKsuggestion at 03:00, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

ALT1: ... that a World War II pigeon, Commando, received the Dickin Medal in 1945 along with Royal Blue, the King's pigeon? Chamal 03:00, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

A picture would be great. The article is new and meets the date requirement. Can some check the length for me? I think calling him a WWII pigeon is weird. How about ... that a pigeon named Commando carried crucial intelligence during World War II and received the Dickin Medal in 1945? I can't find anything about the King's pigeon. Royal Blue seems to be another bird used during the war. Sources from the time of the award would be good too. Most of the sources are from the auction of the medal. ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:13, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

2556 characters, long enough. Art LaPella (talk) 04:12, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

How about this one then, to remove that WWII pigeon thing: ALT2... that Commando, a messenger pigeon of World War II, received the Dickin Medal in 1945 for carrying crucial intelligence from agents in occupied France to Britain? Chamal 12:47, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Carabane

Template:DYKsuggestion at 02:54, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

The article itself doesn't state those people invented the tool. I've asked Neelix for clarification. - Mgm| 14:47, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

- My original hook isn't going to work; the kayendo is unique to Basse Casamance, but not specifically to the island of Carabane. It's possible that it originated on the island, but that is not certain. Here is an alternate hook that would be more appropriate: Neelix (talk) 22:21, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

ALT1 ... that Captain Aristide Protet was shot with a poisoned arrow on the island of Carabane, where he was subsequently buried standing up? (grave pictured)

Perhaps this would be better as a double nomination:

ALT2 ... that the Jola, the majority ethnic group in Carabane (scenery pictured), are very distinct from other major ethnic groups in Senegal by their language, egalitarian society, freedom from political hierarchy, and lack of slavery. Neelix (talk) 19:09, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Czerwone maki na Monte Cassino

Template:DYKsuggestion at 00:04, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Length (1855 char prose), date and citation verified, hook only as "... one of the best known Polish war songs, ...", since that's what the article says. Sandstein 08:24, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Pocahontas Island, Virginia

Template:DYKsuggestion at 19:58, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Length, date, hook and citations OK. Changed "in the 1860 South" to "in the 1860 Southern United States" and "antebellum" to "antebellum" for the benefit of non-US readers. Sandstein 08:13, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

First Baptist Church (Petersburg, Virginia)

Template:DYKsuggestion at 20:27, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

~~This article currently isn't long enough for Did You Know. Please see #Instructions for details. Art LaPella (talk) 21:50, 30 December 2008 (UTC)~~Lengthened. Art LaPella (talk) 04:12, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Gillfield Baptist Church, Virginia

Template:DYKsuggestion at 20:27, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

ALT1: ... that Gillfield Baptist Church, Virginia, the second oldest black congregation in Petersburg, in 1829 resisted a consolidation with the white congregation at Market Street Church? Parkwells (talk) 20:27, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
ALT2: ... that Rev. Henry Williams, called in 1865 as the first black pastor at Gillfield Baptist Church, Virginia since 1831, served until 1900 and also was elected to the Petersburg City Council?

Art, I've found more material for the article and it's now over 2500 characters.--Parkwells (talk) 02:41, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 27

Friedrich Ritter von Röth

Template:DYKsuggestion at 02:28, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Length and date OK, but the citation is not properly formatted as {{cite web}}, and is moreover to a forum of a website that is itself of unclear reliability. That's not front page material, sorry. Sandstein 08:02, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

No problem; I have added a citation of book by same author I quoted from the forum. You now have a source that fulfills your reliability requirement.

FYI, http:www.theaerodrome.com's forum contains informative dialogue by the authors of the Osprey series of books about World War I aviation, as well as other experts on the subject. So long as I consider the individual, I can find reliable info in these forums, as well as leads to books. Admittedly, I also find much to question or ignore.

Georgejdorner (talk) 08:44, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Offline ref now present. Sandstein 10:01, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

M. Bhaktavatsalam

Template:DYKsuggestion at 18:51, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Barack the Magic Negro

Template:DYKsuggestion at 06:41, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Wouldn't this be more appropriate for In The News? - Dravecky (talk) 06:48, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
- No, for two reasons: (1) it's an article on the song (which is almost 2 years old), not the controversy, and (2) the controversy isn't nearly important enough to merit an ITN mention. Raul654 (talk) 08:58, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
  - Verified. This one will get a lot of views I think. Chamal 10:34, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
    - This one will get a lot of views I think. - I think so too. Raul654 (talk) 11:50, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Does this fall foul of "Articles and hooks which focus on negative aspects of living individuals should be avoided"? The term negro has negative associations or connotations (where's LinguistatLarge for the right terminology?). I don't like to play censor, but this one has a bit of stingyness that I'm not sure is appropriate. As I understand it, the term is a bit like calling someone "boy". — Preceding unsigned comment added by ChildofMidnight (talk • contribs) 08:05, 29 December 2008 UTC (UTC)

The article doesn't "focus on negative aspects of living individuals." It's about a song that has generated controversy, in part because of the negative connotation that you cited. —David Levy 10:41, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

City of Clarence

Template:DYKsuggestion at 21:05, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Length, hook and date OK. Very creditable expansion! Sandstein 16:23, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Emil Løvlien

Template:DYKsuggestion at 12:46, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

, refs, length, hook ok. --Soman (talk) 22:58, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Zheng Yuqing

Template:DYKsuggestion at 19:42, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Lenght, date and hook OK. Sandstein 16:21, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Paul Verner

Template:DYKsuggestion at 17:27, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

I think it's interesting that he lived in exile (from the nationalists) and fought in the Spanish Civil War. I would go with: " that East German communist Paul Verner (pictured) spent years in exile and fought as a volunteer in the International Brigades during the Spanish Civil War?" I might even leave out the International Brigades. I don't think most people know what that is. You could even say he fled the nationalists in Germany and fought against Franco's nationalist forces in Spain. Interesting article. A lot of interesting history in there. The intro needs to be expanded to summarize the rest of the article.ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:53, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I think 'spent years in exile' is a good addition. I think we should keep International Brigades in the hook though, its rather notable. I have expanded the intro somewhat now. --Soman (talk) 08:45, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

what about: ... that Paul Verner (pictured) fled Germany's nationalists and fought as a volunteer in the International Brigades during the Spanish Civil War?

My worry is that saying East German is strange since we're talking about what is now Germany and what was Germany when he was fighting for Spain. Eastern Germany was inbetween. Can't they read the article to find out that he was an East German politician? I'm okay with adding he's a socialist too, although the "International" birgades is a bit of a tip off. Plus I like people going to the article to learn more. What do you think? Am I over complicating matters? My hook would need to be wikified properly. ChildofMidnight (talk) 07:16, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

International Brigades is a relevant fact, and a wellknown unit in the war. As per East Germany, Verner had his political career and became notable in the GDR. --Soman (talk) 15:49, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Expresso (film)

Template:DYKsuggestion at 16:11, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

I started the expansion on December 23 from a stub, finished it today. - Mgm| 16:11, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

I have a few comments. The intro needs to be expanded to summarize the article's contents. I thought it was notable, catchy and interesting that: he connected telephone calls from war leaders to prime minister Winston Churchill who he met on several occasions when the leader wanted updates on incoming calls. Since I don't know who Norman is, the fact that his final movie was minor doesn't grab my interest. But it's an interesting article, thanks for working on it. ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:40, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

ALT 1: ... that the final screen role of BAFTA Award winning actor Sir Norman Wisdom was that of a vicar in the 2007 British short film Expresso? —Preceding unsigned comment added by MacGyverMagic (talk • contribs) 12:57, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

As he's still alive, we don't know it's his final role, do we? Ghmyrtle (talk) 20:46, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

It's been officially called his final role. He lives in a care home and he's suffering from vascular dementia. I don't see how he could return to acting, especially since he can't remember lines anymore. - Mgm| 13:21, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Fine, you've answered my question. Ghmyrtle (talk) 13:28, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Choa Chu Kang Community Library

Template:DYKsuggestion at 13:39, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Verified length, date and hook. RMHED (talk) 20:16, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Article needs a grammar polish and explanation of words like "protyped" (which is how it's spelled in the source, too) before promotion. Source for hook is at the end of the paragraph, not the sentence, which is less of a concern than the fact that it's an article written by the National Library Board Singapore so it's not an independent third-party source. - Dravecky (talk) 10:01, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

I corrected the spelling error. The Soon 12:59, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Zhao Zongru

Template:DYKsuggestion at 09:17, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

I like the hook. Short and catchy. I also think it's notable that all six emperor names end in zong. What are the odds on that? :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:34, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

-zong is commonly used in the Temple name of Chinese emperors. May I suggest not showing the word "Emperor" six times? --74.13.128.83 (talk) 14:31, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

- OK, let's change it to ...
- ... that the Tang Dynasty official Zhao Zongru served under six emperors—Emperors Dezong, Shunzong, Xianzong, Muzong, Jingzong, and Wenzong? --Nlu (talk) 04:31, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Crepidotus versutus

Template:DYKsuggestion at 08:57, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

The hook is sourced, but (the explanation in the article *clarification added) seems bogus. I think it's may be called "clever" because the mushroom looks kind of brainy (ie. like a brain). ~~Also I thought epithets were derogatory comments along racial lines.~~ I would use something about it being saprobic. I think people will want to find out what that means. It sounds kind of exciting! A saprobic mushroom from wherever. If you really want to go all out you can include its hairy pileus, people want to know about that stuff! ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:30, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Great news! I figured out the name. It looks like a brain cut in ~~half (profile)~~ cross section. ChildofMidnight (talk) 07:29, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Not sure what you want me to do with this - the hook is sourced, like you said, and I don't understand your "bogus" claim. Whether it was named clever because of the reason I wrote in the article (suggested in the original source), or your conjecture doesn't seem to me have relevance regarding the validity of the DYK hook. Note that "specific epithet" is linked so that readers who don't know what the term means can easily find out. Sasata (talk) 17:54, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

If you're going to hook people into an article don't you want the article to be the best possible? Aren't you curious about the name? Did the whole clever because it grows upward explanation make sense to you when the mushroom looks so much like a cross section of a brain? ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:20, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Well, actually, it did make sense to me :) All species in genus Crepidotus have a similar morphology (i.e., resembling the x-sectioned brain as you aptly describe it), so it would be somewhat illogical to have the epithet refer specifically to this characteristic for this particular species. My guess is that the naming author was particularly impressed by this fungus' ability to properly orient itself for optimal spore dispersal - common in species with 'typical' mushrooms shape, but not so much in species that have one surface directly attached to the growing surface.

Hook, citation, date and length OK. As to the controversy above, the hook fact is sourced to a reliable academic source, which is all we need. The published opinion of experts is to be preferred over the ad hoc conjecture of on editor. Sandstein 07:49, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Leaving Springfield

Template:DYKsuggestion at 06:52, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Interesting! how about... "that The Simpsons television show has inspired a non-fiction book discussing capitalism, the Cold War, and nuclear arms"? Hmmm? Makes you want to read the article doesn't it! I don't think the title of the book or the words "discusses issues presented" are catchy enough. But then I was raised on Bart, Beavis and Cartman. ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:20, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

I think the initial hook presented is fine. Your alt hook does not include the title of the new article, or a link to it. Cirt (talk) 06:11, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

LOL, details details. How about: that The Simpsons inspired a non-fiction book on capitalism, the Cold War, and nuclear arms called Leaving Springfield. ChildofMidnight (talk) 06:36, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Well, the book is not only on "capitalism, the Cold War, and nuclear arms", so the phrasing in the suggested ALT hook is sort of actually more awkward than the initial hook. Cirt (talk) 08:21, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

ALT hook: ... that The Simpsons inspired a non-fiction book discussing the television program's take on capitalism, the Cold War, and nuclear arms, called Leaving Springfield? (I still think the initial hook is better - this type of rearrangement is quite awkward). Cirt (talk) 08:28, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Fair enough. The initial hook it is! ChildofMidnight (talk) 10:09, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Okay thanks. Cirt (talk) 10:11, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

or: ... that The Simpsons inspired a non-fiction book on topics including capitalism, the Cold War, and nuclear arms called Leaving Springfield?

What do you think Cirt? And when are the Science textbooks based on Beavis and Butthead coming out? ChildofMidnight (talk) 07:28, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Again, the hook doesn't work. This latest ALT hook has the same problem as the others - it is misleading because it makes the reader think that the book is about "capitalism, the Cold War, and nuclear arms", when in actuality these issues are discussed within the context of the program itself. Cirt (talk) 07:32, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

You have a point. But it doesn't say the book is about those topics, it says it is on topics "including" those. For further context all they need is to read the article. And I thought the whole idea of baiting a hook is to lure them in with a juicy piece of meat... before BANG you're reeling them in for dinner... ChildofMidnight (talk) 08:32, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

But it is not a book on topics "including" those topics, it is a book on The Simpsons, which happens to discuss those topics, among others. That is why the wording in the initial hook works better. Cirt (talk) 08:34, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Cui Sun

Template:DYKsuggestion at 05:53, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Length, date, hook and citation OK. Image on Commons. Sandstein 07:43, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Galician slaughter

Template:DYKsuggestion at 00:27, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

This hook seems a little long and complicated. Are you trying to key in on the impact the uprising had in undermining Polish unity and opposition to the partition? Because if not, saying ... that the slaughter of Polish nobles in a peasant uprising in 1846 became known as the Galician slaughter? works for me and is quite a bit simpler. ChildofMidnight (talk) 07:42, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Expiring noms

Articles created/expanded on December 26

Albert Norden

... that in 1965, East German politician Albert Norden accused 1,900 politicians and other prominent personalities in West Germany of having worked for the Nazi regime?

Verified, but returned to pool for now as unsuitable for New Year's Eve. Gatoclass (talk) 07:26, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Cape Grim massacre

Template:DYKsuggestion at 09:35, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Hook, citation, date and length OK. Sandstein 07:41, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Esix Snead

Template:DYKsuggestion at 21:54, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

I think a tweak may be needed because four is a lot in "two brief appearances" and the "only" seems to minimize the achievement. In fact I would suggest (ALT 1)... that baseball player Esix Snead had 507 stolen bases in nine minor league seasons and four more in two brief appearances in the major leagues with the New York Mets? Four is a lot in two appearances, but he's no Mookie Wilson. ChildofMidnight (talk) 07:49, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

I was trying to emphasize that he had a very substantial number of stolen bases in the minors, but never really made it as a major leaguer. The "but only" was intended in comparison to the number stolen in the minors not to minimize stealing 4 bases in 18 major league games, which would be about 35 in a full 162-game season. I wonder if "and" instead of "but only" loses that hookiness? Alansohn (talk) 21:58, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

How about something like (ALT 2)... that baseball player Esix Snead had 507 stolen bases in nine minor league seasons compared with four in two brief appearances in the major leagues with the New York Mets? faithless () 23:23, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

That captures more of what I was looking for, but how about reversing it as (ALT 3)... that baseball player Esix Snead had four stolen bases in two brief appearances in the major leagues with the New York Mets, but stole 507 bases in nine minor-league seasons? Alansohn (talk) 18:30, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

I agree that switching them around makes it read better. I do have a minor quibble, though; the word "but" still makes it read as though we're passing some sort of judgment on his accomplishments, IMHO. To me it reads like, "...Snead wasn't very good in the majors, but he did really well in the minors!" I think using "compared to" takes our opinion out of it entirely and lets the reader make up their own mind (lets them make the comparison for themselves, if you will). So my suggestion would be (ALT 4) ... that baseball player Esix Snead had four stolen bases in two brief appearances in the major leagues with the New York Mets compared to 507 in nine minor-league seasons? faithless () 19:33, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

<outdent> I'm a little confused. The original hook says 4 stolen bases in 2 brief appearances. Then there is mention of 18 games? How many games did he play in? If he stole 4 bases in 2 appearances I don't see a quibble, I think we just go with the original hook and replace the word "but" with the word "and". It's clear he didn't make it in the majors if he's only had 2 appearances. Isn't the whole point that he's notable for a zillion minor league and a few in the major league, why are we but-butting? I would also take out the word brief. Why were his appearances brief? The original hook is fine assuming he had 2 appearances, we just replace but with and. We don't have to explain why his career in the majors was short. People can read the article.ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:28, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

I guess the question is what is meant by "appearances". Snead was called up to the majors twice, getting into 17 games the first time and one the 2nd. Appearances here doesn't (or shouldn't, anyway) mean games played. But I am not sure that the number of call ups to the majors he had is really relevant to the hook. So it seems to me that the following would appropriately contrast his major and minor league stolen base record without introducing confusion as to what is meant by "appearances", because 4 stolen bases in 2 games would be a lot: (ALT 5)... that baseball player Esix Snead stole 507 bases in the minor-leagues but had just four stolen bases in the major leagues? Or else maybe something like: (ALT 6)... that baseball player Esix Snead had four stolen bases in 18 major league games, but stole 507 bases in nine minor-league seasons? Rlendog (talk) 06:27, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Abe Hartley

Template:DYKsuggestion at 19:18, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

I like the hook. My only question is whether to say "hand-rolled" instead of "rolled up". What is a rolled up cigarette? I guess if the source says rolled up maybe that has to be stuck with, but it seems a bit weird to me. Aren't all cigarettes rolled up? Am I too picky? ChildofMidnight (talk) 07:53, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

One source does phrase it slightly differently, referring to his "curious habit of rolling a cigarette...", so re-word the hook by all means. --Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 08:15, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

or we could just leave the whole "rolling" bit out and just say he kept a cigarette behind his ear. Are we going to be blamed for making smoking seem cool? Do we need to include a "WARNING"? Can you find a source that says he coughed? I noticed he died young... maybe we can throw that in. No, it's all good. I'm just a little hopped up... (get it???). Did he keep his cigarettes in a pouch? ChildofMidnight (talk) 08:45, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Kamila Skolimowska

Template:DYKsuggestion at 16:52, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

I added the word "age", or it could be written as "at 17 years and 331 days old", otherwise it's not clear what "at 17 years and 331 days" means. Also I think the picture isn't of her at that age, so it's a bit misleading. But as long as the pic isn't used it's no worries. Probably a pic of her competing would be more appropriate anyway. ChildofMidnight (talk) 07:57, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Article date, length and hook look good. Image also checks out. Dabomb87 (talk) 17:03, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Isaac Toussie

Template:DYKsuggestion at 22:45, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

This one is timely. Politzer where are you? Get to work! ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:05, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Currently has a {{notability}} tag. Sandstein 17:40, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

I am not sure about notability (although the case does have a WP:BLP1E and WP:NOT#NEWS feel to it and the entry cannot be approved for DYK with a notability tag still in it), but I think this entry is unsuitable for DYK on other grounds. One of the official DYK rules says "Articles and hooks which focus on negative aspects of living individuals should be avoided." This article (and the hook) focuses almost entirely on the negative aspects associated with the subject, namely his fraud conviction and the pardon controversy. Given that almost all the coverage available is about that, it is hard to imagine this article being reconfigured into something more balanced, so I do not think this entry is or can be made suitable for DYK. Perhaps WP:ITN is a better place for it, but I don't think we can use it here at DYK. Nsk92 (talk) 18:20, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

al-Muallaq Mosque

Template:DYKsuggestion at 21:10, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

needs an in-line cite. --brew crewer (yada, yada) 12:32, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

I have now added inline citation. And they are WP:RS. --Fipplet (talk) 15:17, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Not quite a 5X expansion (at 4.4X right now), needs about 200 more characters. Also, could the references be formatted (publishers, last access dates)? That makes it easier to evaluate the sources at a first glance. Dabomb87 (talk) 17:36, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

I am sorry but this is a new article. When I nominated this article I didn't know how DYK worked. But I have now changed it into a new article. Sorry for the trouble. Also I don't know how to formate the refereces, can you tell me how to? But I'll do my best anyway. --Fipplet (talk) 21:10, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

No problem. Everything checks out now. I will format the references for you. The easiest way to format them is using the {{cite web}} template. Dabomb87 (talk) 21:19, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Thank you! --Fipplet (talk) 21:26, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

is a travel guide, not a WP:RS reference. --Soman (talk) 21:25, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

I noticed that, but it is supported by the other source, so I think it is acceptable. Dabomb87 (talk) 21:28, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Johannes Scherg

Template:DYKsuggestion at 17:09, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

ALT 1: ... that Johannes Scherg was awarded the Knight's Cross in October 1943 for his command of the 1st Company, 4th SS Panzer Reconnaissance Battalion during fights in Greece and Romania in World War II? - Mgm| 14:55, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Article length, date, and hooks' length check out, but what make either of the two sources used reliable? In addition, the sources should have last access dates and publishers in their citations. Dabomb87 (talk) 16:53, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Wilfried Hartung

Template:DYKsuggestion at 02:47, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Please consider mentioning the era in which Hartung competed, and cropping the picture to show his face only. --74.13.128.83 (talk) 14:34, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

ALT HOOK: ... that East German Olympic bronze medalist Wilfried Hartung (pictured, far left) was once married to two-time Olympic silver medalist Gabriele Wetzko? my name inc 18:15, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Article length and date looks good. Alternate hook checks out, as does the image. Dabomb87 (talk) 17:18, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Gordon Wood (rugby player)

... that rugby union players Keith Wood and his father Gordon both played for four of the same teams – Garryowen, Munster, Ireland and the British Lions (top level teams in their sport)? Djln--Djln (talk) 01:21, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Bold the name of the article in the hook! my name inc 03:35, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

I bolded it for him, but the article is only expanded about threefold, not fivefold. Please see #Instructions. Art LaPella (talk) 04:12, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Araripesuchus

Template:DYKsuggestion at 22:57, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

I prefer:"... that the five species of crocodilia known as Araripesuchus lived 125 to 60 million years ago during the Cretaceous period?" You lost me on the "Cretaceous terrestrial distinct" part, but I'm just a lay person... How did they get from Africa to South America? ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:02, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Seems ok as well. I added info in the main article on the Africa-South America (Gondwana) aspect. Shrumster (talk) 10:59, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Cool. Thanks! Hopefully Art or Politzer will quit mucking about so we can get this thing approved! :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:42, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

The "125 to 60 My ago" bit doesn't seem to be cited to any of the references. Could a cite be added? The rest (date, length, and source for the other hook) are fine. Olaf Davis (talk) 10:31, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Copied references of the earliest and latest specimens to ref the date range. Shrumster (talk) 14:22, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! Offline refs taken on good faith. Olaf Davis (talk) 23:27, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

François Charles Archile Jeanneret

Template:DYKsuggestion at 21:14, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Operation Pleshet

Template:DYKsuggestion at 21:11, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Joseph Dennie

Template:DYKsuggestion at 20:58, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

(alternate hook) ... that Timothy Dwight IV referred to Joseph Dennie as "the Addison of America" and "the father of American belles-lettres"? faithless () 21:30, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
(alternate hook) ... that Joseph Dennie was one of the foremost men of letters in the United States during the Federalist Era? faithless () 07:25, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

futureU

Template:DYKsuggestion at 19:12, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Nancy Blackett (character)

Template:DYKsuggestion at 16:50, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

East Ghor Main Canal

Template:DYKsuggestion at 15:39, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Southworth House

Template:DYKsuggestion at 15:16, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

WP:COMMA refers to the Comma article, whose "In geographical names" paragraph prescribes a comma after "Ohio" (which I have already added once). In the past, that guideline has been more popular at WP:ERRORS than on this page. Art LaPella (talk) 05:29, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

So that's how the comma got there? I removed it because I thought it was a typo that I had made. Well, if that's the accepted pattern, no complaints; I've restored it. Thanks for explaining. Nyttend (talk) 21:11, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

That comma looks ridiculous. Can we immediately reach consensus that random commas that serve no purpose aren't a good idea and revise the guideline? ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:42, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

I would love it if we can reach a consensus, any consensus, at WP:COMMA or Talk:Comma, or even that this particular sentence is an exception. Just tell me what the rule is, so I can apply it. At the moment, the best indication of a consensus is that WP:COMMA is in the Manual of Style. may also be helpful. Art LaPella (talk) 06:01, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

ALT: ... that the Southworth House has been a retirement home, a fraternity house, and an office building in Cleveland, Ohio? --74.13.128.83 (talk) 14:37, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

I don't like the comma either. I prefer the alternate hook to get rid of the comma :-) Nyttend (talk) 15:13, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Norton CS1

Template:DYKsuggestion Thruxton (talk) 14:39, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Verified. Added (pictured) for you. Ref 3 checks out. — RyanCross (talk) 07:44, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Winlock W. Steiwer

Template:DYKsuggestion at 11:47, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Verified. Also added (pictured) for you. — RyanCross (talk) 07:40, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Orbiliaceae

Template:DYKsuggestion at 06:15, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

ALT: ... that some members of the fungal family Orbiliaceae can lasso nematodes using outgrowths of their hyphae? Sasata (talk) 16:08, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

The ALT is great. I don't even think lasso needs to be in quotes. Isn't that exactly what lasso means? I have to go read the article to find out more... good job! ChildofMidnight (talk) 08:55, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Upon inspection I notice the lasso claim is uncited and seems a bit of a stretch (it's perhaps not exactly a lasso action). I think a cited bit supporting a carniverous fungi DYK hook would be just fine. ChildofMidnight (talk) 09:08, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

I've added another (online) citation (+ link to PDF of article) for the lasso action, and removed quotes from hook. Sasata (talk) 17:45, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

The citation does use the word lasso to describe the ring swelling action that traps prey (one of five methods) these nifty fungi use. It doesn't meet my definition of a lasso action (where's the throw?) but if you don't think carniverous fungi is exciting enough, I can live with it. :) Also, the introduction should be expanded to reflect teh article contents. It's kind of short.ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:55, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

I've added another sentence so the lead section should be proportional to the length of the article. BTW, I did think the original lead was exciting enough, I added the ALT to satisfy another DYK editor who didn't think it was :) Cheers Sasata (talk) 17:26, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Cradle of Rome

Template:DYKsuggestion at 04:48, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Verified. Ref 1 checks out, mentioning the fact in the second paragraph in the review. — RyanCross (talk) 07:38, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Terrence Oglesby

Template:DYKsuggestion at 04:09, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

ALT1: ... that Terrence Oglesby, a United States citizen, was the leading scorer for Norway's basketball team in the FIBA Europe Under-20 Championship? Dabomb87 (talk) 04:18, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Buffalo Killers

Template:DYKsuggestion at 02:25, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

ALT1: ... that Buffalo Killers' 2008 album Let It Ride was produced by The Black Keys' guitarist/vocalist Dan Auerbach? —Zeagler (talk) 02:29, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Fact needs inline citation right after the sentence. Dabomb87 (talk) 18:39, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Done. —Zeagler (talk) 19:19, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Robert McKechnie

Template:DYKsuggestion at 02:08, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Length, date and reference verified. Olaf Davis | Talk 09:42, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

List of Houston Astros managers

... that Larry Dierker is the only Houston Astros manager to have had his uniform number retired by the Houston Astros, a professional baseball franchise in Major League Baseball? New article, Self-nom by -- _{signed by} SRE.K.A~~nnoyomous~~.L.24 _{spell my name backwards} on 01:50, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Verified. Ref 6 checks out. — RyanCross (talk) 07:36, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Tsarist autocracy

Template:DYKsuggestion at 13:54, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

The second hook is better: you cannot use a guesswork as a hook in "DYK": it must be a fact. `'Míkka >t 20:36, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
Biased article, lot's of WP:SYN.DonaldDuck (talk) 10:39, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Please explain your grievances on talk first. Majority of content is well referenced (and your recent additions are unreferenced, and removals, unexplained...). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 12:11, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

It would be better to use: ... that one of Russia's most famous writers, Fyodor Dostoyevsky, was a proponent of the Russian autocracy? --Admiral Norton 17:36, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
- Sounds good to me. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 20:15, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
  - I've fixed the link to Fyodor Dostoyevsky and the double redirect at Russian autocracy. Olaf Davis | Talk 09:40, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Bernard McMahon

Template:DYKsuggestion at 16:59, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

The source doesn't make it quite clear to me that Jefferson was responsible. It says McMahon was entrusted with the seeds, and then "Jefferson insisted that these new discoveries were the property of the expedition and of the federal government, so McMahon was forced, perhaps rightfully so, to grow these novelties under restriction in a quarantine-like situation." But this seems compatible with the reading that once he'd been given the seeds, Jefferson set the quarantine requirement on him. It's possible I've missed something from another part of the source, though. Olaf Davis | Talk 09:52, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

I had thought "Beginning in 1806 McMahon was trusted with seeds and plants collected from the Lewis and Clark expedition" would be direct enough: I've added a second Monticello reference that also contains the statement. If the source didn't quite make it clear, perhaps the link wasn't clicked on; footnote text highlighted in purple can be clicked on to read on-line text, which is an intrinsic part of the footnote. --Wetman (talk) 14:37, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

I did go to the link and the sentence you quote is clear - the only problem is the latter doesn't mention Jefferson. Could you point out where it says that it was Jefferson who was responsible for assigning McMahon the duty, please? (It's possible I'm missing it because I'm tired - I will go to sleep soon and come back to this next year!) Olaf Davis (talk) 23:44, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Hasta la vista, baby (film)

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Only a 1.74x expansion. You also didn't define the hook. Admiral Norton 11:34, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Rudolf Wolters

Template:DYKsuggestion at 14:17, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Howard K. Smith: News and Comment

Template:DYKsuggestion at 21:01, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Suggest adding ", as it proved, " before premature.--Wehwalt (talk) 20:41, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 25

Zaprešić

Template:DYKsuggestion at 16:58, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

~~... that Zaprešić is the densest city in Zagreb County, Croatia?~~

... that Zaprešić is the most densely populated city in Zagreb County, Croatia?

... that although Zaprešić lies on three rivers, the town does not have a port?
... that the golf resort in Zaprešić has only three holes?
... that there are six castles in the small Croatian town of Zaprešić?

Hendrik Wagenvoort

Template:DYKsuggestion at 18:31, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Direct link to the reference Pax:Vobiscum (talk) 18:35, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Length, date, and verification a-ok. However, I don't feel the hook would be interesting to many people who don't know how much of an accomplishment 38 doctoral dissertations is. How about:

ALT1: ... that classical scholar Hendrik Wagenvoort directed 38 doctoral dissertations during his career, an unusually high number in the field of classical studies? Terrakyte (talk) 04:40, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Chola Navy

Template:DYKsuggestion at 11:58, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

ALT1: ... that the early Chola naval ships (1st Century CE) (model pictured) had a rudimentary flame-thrower and a catapult type weapon?
ALT2: ... that the Chola navy is believed to have operated some Song Dynasty Junk ships? Sniperz 11_@S 11:58, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Anyone??? Sniperz 11_@S 08:24, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

"Unwritten" Rule G1. Art LaPella (talk) 22:49, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

I have no doubt that ALT1 will appeal to the most people. Picture, date, length, and verification all accounted for ALT1. Terrakyte (talk) 15:16, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 24

Pennsylvania Route 237

Template:DYKsuggestion at 00:26, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Youngstown and Southeastern Railroad

Template:DYKsuggestion at 13:12, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Glengoyne Distillery

Template:DYKsuggestion at 06:36, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

ALT1: ... that Glengoyne Distillery is the only Highland single malt Scotch whisky to be distilled in the Highlands and matured in the Lowlands due to the distillery sitting upon the Highland Line? Cabe6403 06:36, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Sadly it's only a two-fold expansion counting characters of prose (i.e. not the table of whiskey types) which is what DYK goes by. A shame because that's a great hook. Olaf Davis | Talk 09:28, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Dirty Epics

... that the Irish Independent praised the "scattergun screech" of Dirty Epics vocalist Sarah Jane Wai O'Flynn? (new article, self-nom) --➨♀♂Candlewicke _S_# :) 20:17, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

The article doesn't say what the Irish Independent's opinion of the band was. The reference and the hook does – I think the article just needs to be tweaked a little. --Bruce1ee 13:09, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

al-Khadra Mosque

Template:DYKsuggestion 19:43, 26 December 2008

(alt.hook)... that according to tradition, al-Khadra Mosque in present-day Nablus is situated at the site where Jacob, a biblical patriarch, was presented with a blood-soaked tunic belonging to his lost son Joseph? (I hate edit conflicts.) --PFHLai (talk) 20:11, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

That's fine with me. --Al Ameer son (talk) 22:19, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Coat of arms of Singapore

Template:DYKsuggestion at 02:24, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Length and date are OK, and the article is interesting, but I strongly recommend writing another hook. The current hook is incomprehensible (and hence uninteresting) to me as a layperson because I don't know what the Darjah Utama Temasek and the Sijil Kemuliaan are, or what an "achievement" of a coat of arms is (presumably heraldic jargon?). Also, the verb "uses" is in the singular despite having two subjects; it should be in the plural ("use"). Maybe the following would work?

"... that the Singapore coat of arms is reproduced in full on two national awards, the Darjah Utama Temasek and Sijil Kemuliaan?"

But that doesn't sound like a very interesting fact, either. (And the article would have to be adopted accordingly.) Sandstein 20:17, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

What would you suggest? What stands out in your mind? User:Zscout370 21:39, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Maybe: "... that only the government of Singapore is allowed to use the coat of arms of Singapore (pictured)?" That would need an inline citation in the article. Sandstein 17:06, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Norton International

Template:DYKsuggestion Thruxton (talk) 15:56, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Length and date verified; offline reference accepted on good faith (it's linked to but I don't have access rights). Olaf Davis | Talk 09:17, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Template:DYKsuggestion Thruxton (talk) 15:34, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

This version is a 264 character hook. I moved this version because there were duplicate paragraphs for the Norton International article. Art LaPella (talk) 17:50, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

I have edited that hook to make it shorter. --Orlady (talk) 19:53, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

BBC source for the second hook said 1935, so I've changed the article and the hook. Fine apart from that. Olaf Davis | Talk 09:17, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Independence Dam State Park

Template:DYKsuggestion at 15:37, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Pennsylvania Route 664

Template:DYKsuggestion at 14:49, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

ALT1: ... that the Pennsylvania Department of Highways took 36 years to finish paving Pennsylvania Route 664? Mitch32 14:49, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
ALT2: ... that the first of two bridges along Pennsylvania Route 664 was built in 1986? Mitch32 14:49, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

ALT2 is completely unremarkable. The main hook or ALT1 may be remarkable, but there are a few issues: (a) You can't say it was exactly 36 years with only maps (in fact, it could be as little as 23 years given the sources cited), and (b) it reads as if paving was a continuous process, rather than done in spurts. --NE2 22:55, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

ALT3: (a repair of ALT1) - ...although done in spurts, it took until the mid-20th century to finish paving Pennsylvania Route 664?Mitch32 00:06, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Colin McCool with the Australian cricket team in England in 1948, Ron Hamence with the Australian cricket team in England in 1948, Doug Ring with the Australian cricket team in England in 1948

Template:DYKsuggestion at 07:50, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

I Love Katamari

Template:DYKsuggestion at 03:46, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Sounds a bit like an ad to me, and I can't seem to find where this statement is explictly made and cited in the article. Daniel Case (talk) 04:58, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

ALT1: ... that the ball in the video game I Love Katamari can be rolled by tilting the iPhone/iPod Touch in the direction the player wants the ball to go? MuZemike (talk) 00:27, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 23

Nestoridae

Template:DYKsuggestion at 03:20, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Prussian G 8

Template:DYKsuggestion at 21:31, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

This article has no inline citations; in fact, there is not even a general reference, only an external link to a forum. I'm sorry, but this article is not eligible for DYK in its current state. Dabomb87 (talk) 14:35, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Oops, I had forgotten to add <references/>, and that the story of the return from Turkey is covered in a book that was already listed at the museum's article, titled (in German): "Return from the Orient: the adventurous journey of a Prussian steam locomotive". I hope that is sufficient. :-) -- Matthead Discuß 15:54, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Much better. But I am concerned about the reliability of some of your web sources, namely http://www.trainsofturkey.com/w/pmwiki.php/Steam/44001, a wiki, and http://www.weiltalbahn.de/Lokfotos/G8_4981_Mainz/g8_4981_mainz.html, which looks to be somebody's personal website (I used Google Translator to view the site in rough English). Any reference that you cite should be listed on this article. Dabomb87 (talk) 18:07, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Manuel Klein

Template:DYKsuggestion at 15:27, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Article says he did return to England and suffered a trauma but he then died in New York? Misleading last bit could always be removed? --➨♀♂Candlewicke _S_# :) 17:12, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Hi. I changed it to "that led to his death". How is that? I don't think we have room to add that he returned to the US, but I think the important part is that he died as a result of the Zeppelin trauma? Best regards, -- Ssilvers (talk) 17:35, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Noel Dossou-Yovo

Template:DYKsuggestion at 00:22, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Please be reminded that DYK articles need at least 1500 characters of prose to qualify. Noel Dossou-Yovo is a tad short and needs almost 100 more. --PFHLai (talk) 14:48, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Expanded. ~EDDY ~ 02:00, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Golf House

Template:DYKsuggestion at 22:34, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

No ref for the 1925 price. If it's the NYT article before that sentence I cannot access so will leave it for someone who can. --➨♀♂Candlewicke _S_# :) 16:58, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

I've tried to find a non-fee source with no luck. It would be my pleasure to send you a .pdf of the article from The Times. Alansohn (talk) 04:25, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

The sentence stating that the house was bought for around $3 million needs to be cited. If the source itself can't be accessed by the web, then an off-line reference will be ok. Terrakyte (talk) 16:05, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Pennsylvania Route 368

Template:DYKsuggestion at 20:37, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Your reference for the 1928 creation is a 1928 map, which only means it was assigned by 1928. Similarly, we know that the new alignment is shown as complete on a 1935 map, which means it was complete by then if PennDOH didn't jump the gun. But its non-presence on the 1934 map means that, if PennDOH never forgot to add a minor realignment, it was opened in either 1934 or 1935. Also, unless the 1934 and 1935 maps are more detailed than the 1930 map, there's no basis for assuming that it used Perryville Road. Finally, this is not interesting. Roads are realigned all the time, and there's no evidence here that this was anything but a normal realignment, built about eight years after the route was designated (and some more years after the road was first added to the state highway system as LR 311). --NE2 21:04, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
Its a bad wording. I guess I am an idiot at this too. I mean construction and paving, not realignments.Mitch32 21:09, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
It's still extremely common for a route, in the early days of state highway systems, to have not been paved when it was first designated. Maybe you could say something about how it no longer meets its "parent" (better term for that?) due to a truncation that eliminated an overlap? --NE2 21:53, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
Little more boring, but fine.Mitch32 14:38, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

ALT: ... that the original alignment of Pennsylvania Route 368 is now a piece of Pennsylvania Route 58?Mitch32 00:04, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Can you draw up a hook that would probably be more interesting to a wider audience than the current ALT hook? Terrakyte (talk) 15:55, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Stanley A. McChrystal

Template:DYKsuggestion at 20:34, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

"Credited with a death" is a bit awkward and harsh for non-military people. Or am I just being a girly-man?? --brew crewer (yada, yada) 03:03, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure about Misplaced Pages politics, but it was McChrystal's job to catch terrorists, and most people would consider his success to be a "credit". I don't think the phrase goes out of its way to take sides. Art LaPella (talk) 03:32, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Yes, catch them, but not kill them. I'm not saying it's not NPOV, I just have a hard time using the word "credit" when taking someone's life. --brew crewer (yada, yada) 05:41, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

While that's his job, this hook implies he went out and killed Zarqawi himself, which is not the case. The article and references confirm that Bush "credited" him with killing Zarqawi, but it just meant he commanded the forces that did, he didn't actually kill anyone, and it has probably been a long time since he did (if he ever did). I think, as is, the hook is too misleading and awkward to use.--IvoShandor (talk) 06:59, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

How about: ... that Lieutenant General Stanley A. McChrystal commanded the Joint Special Operations Command forces responsible for the death of Al-Qaeda in Iraq leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi? - Morinao (talk) 00:59, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

I like this one much better. --brew crewer (yada, yada) 05:41, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
Me too, it's clearer, and highly accurate. --IvoShandor (talk) 07:35, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Image, date, length, and verification all good for ALT hook. Terrakyte (talk) 15:44, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

List of number-one Billboard Top Latin Albums of 2008

Template:DYKsuggestion at 01:38, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

ALT1: … that Mexican singer-songwriter Marco Antonio Solís holds the record for most number-one albums on the Billboard Top Latin Albums chart with nine chart-toppers? Jaespinoza (talk) 01:38, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
ALT2: … that R.K.M. & Ken-Y, Jenni Rivera, Flex and Los Pikadientes de Caborca peaked at number one on the Billboard Top Latin Albums chart for the first time in their careers in 2008? Jaespinoza (talk) 01:38, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
(Will respond in more detail on my talk, where this issue was originally raised.) 5x expansions have to be done within 5 days, the same for new articles. Comparing the page sizes from 5 days ago, there hasn't been a fivefold expansion, sorry. Best regards, PeterSymonds (talk) 01:47, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Randy Boone

Template:DYKsuggestion at 13:57, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Article length and date check out, as does hook length. This fact needs an inline citation in the article immediately after the sentence. Dabomb87 (talk) 17:27, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Citation was added with the sentence about the two 90-minute westerns as requested. The citation that was there was for the whole first paragraph, not just the particular sentence.Billy Hathorn (talk) 01:39, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

OK the info about the westerns has been verified with the assumption of good faith, as it is an offline source. However, the information about Randy Boone's relations to Daniel Boone is sourced to a site with very questionable reliability, http://www.hollywoodteenmovies.com/PAT%20BOONE.html. I would find something a bit more reliable. If not, then you should probably remove the info from the hook; that would work, although the hook would not be as interesting. Dabomb87 (talk) 02:49, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
BTW, it is critical that you find a better source for the Daniel Boone relation information, as it is WP:BLP material. If we cannot find a good source, then we have to remove the info, from the hook and the article. Dabomb87 (talk) 02:54, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

It's a Man's World (TV series)

Template:DYKsuggestion at 21:41, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Hook needs rewriting for NPOV and uncited language ("restless youth", "considerable viewer protests). I can't find the fact about nineteen episodes in the article. I am also concerned about the article's reliance on imbd.com, whose reliability is at best marginal. Dabomb87 (talk) 17:42, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

The viewer protests, restlessness, idealism, and iconoclasm allcome the New York Times reference. The list of 19 episodes is available from imdb.com, as noted in the first phrase of the article. Billy Hathorn (talk) 01:55, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

imbd.com is at best a marginally reliable source, but I will leave that for another time. We need an inline citation immediately after the sentence(s) that provide the material for the hook. Dabomb87 (talk) 02:43, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 22

Cephalic presentation

Template:DYKsuggestion at 21:28, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

ALT1:... that a face presentation where the chin is posterior cannot be delivered vaginally?Ekem - (talk) 05:25, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Creation history and length verified; offfline journal sources accepted on GF. I favour the first hook as it relates directly to the article subject; the face presentation hook refers to a much rarer variant, and linking directly to face presentation causes a redirect to the main article. The Smellie image is well over 200 years old and should therefore be usable on the Main Page. Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 16:22, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Suggestion:If you take the first hook the Smellie plate XIV is more appropriate as it shows the most common presentation not a rarer variant: -Smellie XIV.JPG- Ekem (talk) 15:06, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Zimbabwe and the Commonwealth of Nations

Template:DYKsuggestion at 19:47, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

I don't find that point completely addressed in the article, and it seems a bit misleading.--Wehwalt (talk) 02:10, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Maurice Kouandété

Template:DYKsuggestion at 22:40, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

The country was not known as Benin (but Dahomey) when Maurice was in charge. Did he take the title "President"? The wikipage List of heads of state of Benin didn't say so.

(alt.hook)... that cousins Maurice Kouandété and Mathieu Kérékou were both former heads of state of the country currently known as Benin?--PFHLai (talk) 13:37, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

The first hook's assertion that Kouandété was president is not inline-cited in the article. As for the second hook, the words "head of state" are not even in the article. Sandstein 08:54, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Click on "heads of state" in the hook, and you'll find Kouandété there. How Kouandété's wikibio is fixed is up to Editorofthewiki. --PFHLai (talk) 14:12, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

I guess I was a bit vague about that part. Will add. ~EDDY ~ 21:03, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 21

Yes-no question

... that when computer scientists and others treat questions such as "Would you like chicken or roast beef for dinner?" as yes-no questions they are exploiting a real linguistic ambiguity in such questions?

Jonathan de Boyne Pollard (talk) 20:59, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

If you improve the referencing in the first paragraph of How such questions are posed, I think we could do a more interesting hook mentioning the cross-linguistic variation in how yes-no questions are posed. —Politizer /_contribs 21:17, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

It's already fully referenced. Cruttenden supports the entire paragraph. Jonathan de Boyne Pollard (talk) 21:35, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

For DYK purposes, we rarely accept instances where a single reference "covers" an entire paragraph; we require that there be an inline citation next to each fact. For example, in the paragraph you and I are looking at in this article, the content of that footnote is ambiguous: it's at the very end of the paragraph, so a reader doesn't know if it's "covering" the whole paragraph or just the comment "Such questions are labelled declarative questions, and are also available as an option in those languages that have other ways of asking yes-no questions" (or, for that matter, the comment about intonation in Jakaltek). These referencing issues are exacerbated more, even, in cases like this, where the references are offline books so the reader can't easily check for himself to see what's in there. Therefore, a hook talking about the cross-linguistic variation or listing examples of other languages would not be accepted right now, with the reference the way it is; there would have to be separate inline citations for each example given in that paragraph (even if all the inline citations are all to the same source). —Politizer /_contribs 21:43, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Then it's your own self-imposed loss. You make daft hoops to jump through, that actually make articles look terrible, and you'll end up with no-one jumping through those hoops. Such overlinking is patently unnecessary for actual readers, who don't need umpteen links to the same citation in a single paragraph. If DYK (or, more properly, the individual people at DYK such as you) require such silliness, then that is simply bureaucracy, rather than anything aimed at making a good article. You'll find plenty of discussion about this dotted around Misplaced Pages on people's talk pages and elsewhere, where it has been repeated time and again that one doesn't need a link to a citation on every sentence, and that it is a quite reasonable and normal idea that links to citations at the end of a paragraph cover that entire paragraph. I suggest that you start with Misplaced Pages talk:Footnotes/Archive 4#Every sentence should have a reference?, Misplaced Pages:Featured article candidates/Ailanthus altissima, the several times this is listed at Misplaced Pages talk:Citing sources/Archive Index, and this. Your bureaucracy here isn't to the betterment of the actual Misplaced Pages articles themselves. Jonathan de Boyne Pollard (talk) 22:39, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

As you wish. All I'm saying is, when you have a paragraph like that and then a single book reference at the end, if I as the reader don't have access to the book then I have no idea whether it's 5 (or however many) sentences all covered by one reference, or 4 bits of unreferenced OR followed by one other sentence that happens to have a reference. —Politizer /_contribs 22:46, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
DYK requires that the DYK hook be inline cited in the article for the article to appear on the Main Page. The inline discussions mentioned above likely do not address the circumstances where the article will be linked from the Main Page, which receives 3,000,000+ hits a day. -- Suntag ☼ 04:22, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Generally when I use a single source for an entire paragraph I just note that this is the case in citation itself, I did something like that on 1st Gas Regiment. I am inclined to agree that if the fact is easily verifiable and the submitting editor goes that extra length to make sure a reader knows that the entire graf is cited to that one source then it really shouldn't be a problem for DYK purposes.--IvoShandor (talk) 05:03, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

I agree with you, but in this case the fact isn't easily verifiable; the paragraph is a list of several examples, which in theory could come from anywhere, and the reference at the end of the paragraph is an offline source so most readers have no way to check. —Politizer /_contribs 05:14, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

A simple solution is a note in the citation that it is for all examples. Offline really hasn't a thing to do with it, as most readers in the western world would have easy access to a local or university library, while its not as easily verifiable (being offline), it's still not difficult. If a citation is truly redundant there isn't much of a point in demanding multiple cites, especially if it could easily be solved with a note in the actual citation itself, as I did on the gas regiment article. Just my thoughts. --IvoShandor (talk) 06:14, 22 December 2008 (UTC) Not that I even think this is that big of a deal or anything, if it were me I would just add the citation, because who cares? It's Misplaced Pages, but if we can make it easier for nominators, we should.--IvoShandor (talk) 06:18, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
As near as I can tell, the hook doesn't come from the Cruttenden supported paragraph. It comes from Greg W. Scragg (1996). Problem Solving with Computers. Since the source was presented in the article as off line, Jonathan could have made the hook a little easier to verify through the wording in the article text. -- Suntag ☼ 07:39, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I was just suggesting that we could do another hook if the creator improved the referencing in one paragraph; that's what started this. —Politizer /_contribs 12:49, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

I think Jonathan took your above 21:43, 21 December 2008 post to mean that DYK wouldn't accept the original hook unless Jonathan added an inline reference on the end of each sentence in the Cruttenden supported paragraph. It looks like this thread resulted from a missundersdanding. (It would really be ironic if the missundersdanding were from a linguistic ambiguity.). -- Suntag ☼ 13:05, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

I located the "chicken or roast beef for dinner" quote in this source. The hook should be revised to say something like "when computer scientists and others intentionally treat". The phrase "linguistic ambiguity" should appear some place in the article. The idea that "all" computer scientist are "exploiting" the ambiguity when they treat the question as a yes-no question is based on author Greg W. Scragg's opinion about computer scientist. However, it is presented as a fact in the hook. -- Suntag ☼ 07:16, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Ukrainian National Democratic Alliance

Template:DYKsuggestion at 15:58, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

What sentences in the article would support this statement? And frankly, I'm more comfortable with it being given as a quote because it's a very subjective statement otherwise ... who called them a voice of moderation (I didn't find that last word in the article, at least not using my browser's "find" function)? Or what was moderate about them compared to, say, other Ukrainian political parties of the era? Daniel Case (talk) 06:04, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Monarchies in Oceania

Template:DYKsuggestion at 18:35, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

The Times article only established Charles as heir apparent and does not make a good source for the countries for which this is so. Nor is the Tongan monarchy cited, at least not in the table. Daniel Case (talk) 05:58, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Well, this article gives links to "Monarchies of <country in Oceania>". The article is mainly a summary of all monarchies in Oceania. Most references are on the main article of the said monarchy, since this article is cleary a summary of the monarchies in the area, I thought I wouldn't need to add lots of references, most of the relevant links to other WIkipedia articles are there. --Know zilla 06:23, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

The article does contain more than 1,500 characters of prose text, and the hook is less than 200 characters. Date of article ok for DYK. However, the fact in the hook isn't cited in the article. I may be wrong but, Knowzilla, I believe you were implying in the post above this that the fact in the hook is cited in other Misplaced Pages articles, so you didn't see the need to add a cite for the fact in the Monarchies in Oceania article. I understand your reasoning, and I have no doubt that the fact is true. However, as the DYK criteria states at the top of this page, the fact in a hook should "always cited in the article with an inline citation". Therefore, until the hook is cited, this DYK nom can't pass. Terrakyte (talk) 15:17, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I have added a reference for the hook, can the article pass now? :) --Know zilla 06:53, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the cite. Image, date, length, and verification all accounted for now. Good to go. Terrakyte (talk) 12:27, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 20

Hwanbyeokdang

Template:DYKsuggestion at 21:20, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Article dates from the 20th and I get approx 1685 English characters so that bit is fine. I find the hook ever so slightly iffy though but I can't quite put my finger on it. It's not so much the Korean ref as the phrasing I think. I don't know about the word "regarding" but I'll leave that up to someone else. --➨♀♂Candlewicke _S_# :) 08:25, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

If you have a better hook, could you suggest one? If we exclude the above hook, well, I don't know what could be a interesting fact from the article.--Caspian blue 17:01, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

How can a pavilion have a tale? Suggest wording change to "is associated with" from "has"--Wehwalt (talk) 02:12, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for pointing out on the grammatical error.--Caspian blue 08:40, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

One Tree Island (Queensland)

Template:DYKsuggestion at 22:02, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

There is no ref after the line in the article that forms the hook. On top of this the refs are mainly offline hindering me from locating and repairing it at ease. --➨♀♂Candlewicke _S_# :) 08:32, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

I believe that since 4 days have passed since a request was made for a cite of the hook, and no cite has appeared, that the nom should be failed. Terrakyte (talk) 13:39, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Kattowitzer Volkswille

Template:DYKsuggestion at 18:30, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Technically OK, but I think that the hook sounds rather uninteresting, and I don't see much else of interest in the article. Sandstein 22:22, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

What is and isn't interesting is in the end somewhat subjective. I find the impact Nazism in Germany had on socialist/leftwing movements in neighbouring countries interesting, I leave it to other editors to decide on the dyk suggestion. --Soman (talk) 00:27, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

I can't think of another hook that could be more interesting to a wider audience, and since no alternatives have been forthcoming for over 4 days, I believe this nom should be failed. It is technically ok, as Sandstein said, but I agree that the current hook isn't very exciting.Terrakyte (talk) 14:01, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Canadian sovereignty

Template:DYKsuggestion at 17:49, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

The article is very good and meets all our standards (the only minor thing it needs is work on the lead-in, which I mentioned at the talk page). But this hook seems a little dry. Are there any crazy little facts or anything that you could suggest as an alternate hook? —Politizer /_contribs 23:22, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

It's not the most exciting subject ever. How about:
ALT1: ... that the sovereignty of Canada has become an increasingly relevant issue in recent years as Arctic ice in Northern Canada has melted?

or something along those lines. I never was great at grammar. Oh, and I'm working on the intro right now. Bsimmons666 (talk) 17:00, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

I think the new ALT is fine, and the lead-in section looks great now! Thanks, —Politizer /_contribs 06:40, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

I verified this a moment ago, but I just realized we will have to check it a little more closely...since it was originally made mostly by combining other articles, I think we'll have to see how much of it really is "new" content. I'll try to take a look sometime soon, but if any other reviewers are reading this it would also help to have a second opinion, as always. —Politizer /_contribs 06:43, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

I believe we have come to a solutionhere. I am implementing it now. Bsimmons666 (talk) 22:08, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
See Talk:Canadian sovereignty. I think it's done. Bsimmons666 (talk) 15:35, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Satisfied (album)

Template:DYKsuggestion at 18:32, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

ALT1: ... that the chorus melody of "Be Alright", a track from DecembeRadio's 2008 album Satisfied, was written by bassist/vocalist Josh Reedy while showering? —Zeagler (talk) 18:36, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

I prefer the second, but it could be reworded considering he probably didn't write it in the shower. BTW, source is a 25 min. podcast so good faith is probably the go. :) —97198 (talk) 08:06, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Not written on paper, of course, but one definition of "to write" is "to compose in musical form". Can go with "compose" if you like that better... —Zeagler (talk) 15:25, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
By the way, "Be Alright" is discussed from 17:10 to 18:40 in that podcast. —Zeagler (talk) 16:06, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

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Flag of Okinawa Prefecture

... that the white ring on the flag of Okinawa Prefecture (pictured) represents the "O" in "Okinawa"?
... that Emirati princess Mahra Al Maktoum invoked the triple talaq to divorce her husband, which is traditionally done only by the husband?
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... that with the Green Bay Packers' loss in the 2020 NFC Championship Game, Aaron Rodgers "became the first quarterback in NFL history to lose four straight NFC Championship Games"?
... that The House of Bijapur has been called a "painted curtain call" since the dynasty it depicts was overthrown only a few years later?
... that Dethloff Willrodt fought for the Union army on the first day of the Battle of Gettysburg on July 1, 1863, having previously been a soldier in the Confederate army?
... that in Greek mythology, Achilles promised to marry Pisidice if she would help him conquer her homeland, but afterwards he had her executed for treason?
... that blogger Charles LeBlanc interviewed a man who carried out a mass shooting the following year?
... that for cultural reasons the jijin was permitted to be worn by Catholic priests in China even while celebrating Mass?
... that in 1927 Berta Persson became the first woman bus driver in Sweden and was nicknamed "Buss-Berta"?
... that both the comedy film Starbuck, and the Holstein bull it was named after, had cloned remakes?

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Adrien Nunez

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... that a specimen of Aquilegia daingolica was collected in 1909, but it was only described as a new species in 2013?
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... that when Alexander McQueen, following years of criticism for over-reliance on runway spectacles, presented The Man Who Knew Too Much, it was criticised for its lack of theatrics?
... that Lars Chemnitz was one of the first recipients of Nersornaat, the highest honor in Greenland?
... that the principal songwriter of a song on Always Happy to Explode asked listeners to "love it for me, for I cannot"?
... that Daniel Hermann wrote poems on the inclusion of a lizard and a frog in a piece of amber, the eagle in the coat of arms of Poland, and a child suffering from Fraser syndrome?
... that the harsh treatment of Allied prisoners of war in Japan is well known in the West but mostly forgotten in Japan itself?
... that a cable TV channel in the UK was still broadcasting primarily in black and white as late as 1979?

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