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Limia tridens male

... that a hypothesized land bridge may have allowed some fish species (example pictured) to migrate from South America to Cuba?
... that a Sunday afternoon phone call to Ken Battle laid the foundations for the Canadian Child Benefit program?
... that in the narrative epic Pem Nem, the union of two lovers is a metaphor for the union of the soul with God?
... that after becoming a born again Christian, soprano Jane Stuart Smith abandoned a successful opera career to pursue a life of service?
... that Singapore's first R-rated play was performed despite the police finding parts of it "offensive"?
... that the Filipino boy band SB19 considered disbandment after their debut single "Tilaluha" saw little success?
... that Richard Stratton's diplomatic career took him "from South America to Japan, and from Southern Africa to the foothills of the Himalayas"?
... that while Germans murdered millions of prisoners of war during WWII, the survival ratio of Jewish POWs was generally tied to the army or nation they served with, and not to their ethnicity?
... that American football player Noah Knigga went viral for his last name and had to clarify its pronunciation?

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Using a DYK suggestion string (see below examples), list new suggestions in the candidate entries section below under the date the article was created or the expansion began (not the date you submit it here), with the newest dates at the top. Any user may nominate a DYK suggestion; self-nominations are permitted and encouraged. Thanks for participating and please remember to check back for comments on your nomination.

DYK criteria

Official criteria: DYK rules
Unofficial criteria: LaPella's unwritten rules

DYK evaluation includes:

Length - The Article should contain at least 1,500 characters in main body text (ignoring infoboxes, categories, references, lists, and tables). This is a mandatory minimum; in practice, articles having more than 1,500 characters of prose still may be rejected as too short, at the discretion of the selecting administrators.
Verification - The DYK hook fact in the article needs an inline cite at the end of the sentence and the article in general should use inline, cited sources.
Date - The new article should be no more than five days old and the expanded article should be expanded at least fivefold with new text within the last five days.

Length

DYK qualifying characters: To count the number of characters in a piece of text, you will need to use a JavaScript extension like User:Dr pda/prosesize.js (instructions on the talk page), a free website like this, or an external software program that has a character-counting feature. For example, if you are using Microsoft Word, select the text from the article page (or, in the case of "Did you know" nominations, this Talk page) – not the edit page containing Wikitext – then copy and paste it into a blank document. Click "Tools" ("Review" in Office 2007), then "Word Count", and note the "Characters (with spaces)" figure. Other word processing programs may have a similar feature. For Mac users, Apple has a Word counter widget available for Mac OS X 10.4 or later. Note: The character counts indicated on "Revision history" pages are not accurate for DYK purposes as they include categories, infoboxes and similar text in articles, and comments and signatures in hooks on this page.
Lists: Proposed lists need 1,500+ characters of prose text. The listed items themselves are not counted as part the the 1,500 DYK qualifying characters

Verification

Suggested facts (the 'hook') should be:
1. interesting to draw in a variety of readers,
2. short and concise (fewer than about 200 characters, including spaces),
3. neutral,
4. definite facts that are mentioned in the article, and
5. always cited in the article with an inline citation.
Please note that hooks are subject without notice to copyediting as they move to the main page. The nature of the DYK process makes it impractical to consult users over every such edit. In particular, hooks will be shortened if they are deemed too long: the 200-character limit is an outside limit, not a recommended length. Also, watch the suggestions page to ensure that no issues have been raised about your hook, because if you do not respond to issues raised your hook may not be featured at all.
Articles on living individuals must be carefully checked to ensure that no unsourced or poorly sourced negative material is included. Articles and hooks which focus unduly on negative aspects of living individuals should be avoided.

Other issues

Pictures: Pictures accompanying the DYK hook should be:
1. freely licensed suitably and freely (PD, GFDL, CC etc) licensed (NOT fair use) because the main page can only have freely licensed pictures;
2. suitable, attractive, and interesting at a 100x100px-wide resolution;
3. already in the article; and
4. relevant to the article.

Sounds: Sounds accompanying the DYK hook should have similar qualities to pictures, and should be formatted using {{DYK Listen|filename.ogg|Brief description}}

Sample DYK suggestion strings

Please use one of the strings below to post your DYK nomination, using the "author" and "nominator" fields to identify the users who should receive credit for their contributions if the hook is featured on the main page.

Nom without image: {{subst:NewDYKnom | article= | hook=... that ? | author= }}
Nom with image: {{subst:NewDYKnom | article= | hook=... that ? | author= | image= | caption= }}
To include more than one new or expanded article in a single hook: |article2= |article3= |article4= | (etc)

To include more than one author: |author2= |author3= | (etc)

To include alternate hooks: |ALT1= |ALT2= | (etc)

To add a comment: |comment=

To add the article you reviewed: |reviewed=

Do not wikilink the article title, or the author username field; the template will wikilink them automatically. Do wikilink the article title in the hook field, however.
Do not add a section heading if you are using the template; the template will add one for you.
Do not include a signature (~~~~) after the template.
Do not use non-free images in your hook suggestion.

An example of how to use the template is given below:

{{subst:DYKsug
 | article   = Example
 | hook      = ... that this ] is an ''']''' ''(pictured)''?
 | creator   = Jimbo Wales
 | expander  = 
 | nominator =
 | image     = Example.png
 | comment   =
}}

Note that you should only use one of the above templates for the original hook. If you want to suggest a second, alternative hook for the same article submission, just type it in manually. The above templates output useful code for each submission and if you employ them for alternative hooks, you will mess up the page formatting.
When saving your suggestion, please add the name of the suggested article to your edit summary.
Please check back for comments on your nomination. Responding to reasonable objections will help ensure that your article is listed.
If you nominate someone else's article, you can use {{subst:DYKNom}} to notify them. Usage: {{subst:DYKNom|Article name|January 9}} Thanks, ~~~~

Symbols

If you want to confirm that an article is ready to be placed on a later update, or that there is an issue with the article or hook, you may use the following symbols (optional) to point the issues out:

Code	DYK Ready?	Description
{{subst:DYKtick}}	Yes	No problems, ready for DYK
{{subst:DYKtickAGF}}	Yes	Article is ready for DYK, with a foreign-language or offline hook reference accepted in good faith
{{subst:DYK?}}	Query	DYK eligibility requires that an issue be addressed. Notify nominator with `{{subst:DYKproblem\|Article}}`
{{subst:DYK?no}}	Maybe	DYK eligibility requires some additional work. Notify nominator with `{{subst:DYKproblem\|Article}}`
{{subst:DYKno}}	No	Article is either completely ineligible, or else requires considerable work before becoming eligible

Please consider using {{subst:DYKproblem}} on the user's talk page, in case they do not notice if there is an issue.

Current status

DYK queue status

There are currently 5 filled queues. Humans, please consider promoting a prep to queue if you have the time!

Earliest time for next DYK update: 00:00, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

Current time: 16:54, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Update frequency: once every 12 hours

Last updated: 4 hours ago(

)

The next update will be produced from queue 3.

There are five queues;

Section	# of Hooks	# Verified
Count of DYK Hooks
November 1	1	1
November 2	1
November 15	1
November 17	1
November 18	1
November 19	2
November 21	2	1
November 22	2
November 26	1
December 1	2
December 2	3	1
December 3
December 5	1	1
December 6	1
December 10	2
December 11	2
December 12	2
December 13	4	1
December 14	1	1
December 15	2
December 16	2
December 17	3	3
December 18	3	1
December 19	7	7
December 20	8	7
December 21	5	4
December 22	5	2
December 23	11	11
December 24	5	4
December 25	6	3
December 26	9	5
December 27	5	4
December 28	12	8
December 29	6	4
December 30	12	9
December 31	12	8
January 1	13	8
January 2	20	8
January 3	11	8
January 4	14	7
January 5	15	7
January 6	17	7
January 7	8	4
January 8	8
January 9	3
Total	252	135
Last updated 16:28, 9 January 2025 UTC Current time is 16:54, 9 January 2025 UTC

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This page often seems to be backlogged. If the DYK template has not been updated for substantially more than 6 hours, it may be useful to attract the attention of one of the administrators who regularly updates the template. See the page Misplaced Pages:Did you know/Admins for a list of administrators who have volunteered to help with this project.

Where is my hook?

If you can't find the hook you submitted to this page, in most cases it means your article has been approved and is in the queue for display on the main page. You can check whether your hook has been moved to the queue by reviewing the queue listings at the bottom of this page.

If your hook is not in the queue or already on the main page, it has probably been deleted. Deletion occurs if the hook is more than about eight days old and has unresolved issues for which any discussion has gone stale. If you think your hook has been unfairly deleted, you can query its deletion on the discussion page, but as a general rule deleted hooks will only be restored in exceptional circumstances.

Candidate entries

Articles created/expanded on January 3

Eleventh Doctor

Template:DYKsuggestion at 18:40, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Iraqi Partisan movement, 1979-1988

Template:DYKsuggestion at 17:49, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

AJS Model 16

Template:DYKsuggestion Thruxton (talk) 17:26, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

The 39 Steps (2008 film)

Template:DYKsuggestion at 16:01, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Watercliffe Meadow Primary School

Template:DYKsuggestion at 15:55, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

length OK however none of the refs actually use the phrase "political correctness gone mad" although they come close e.g. "there is this whole political correctness agenda" in the Daily Mail article (you can always trust the Mail to come up with that sort of comment) Nancy 16:03, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
Just wondering - if the point is that the school has changed its name should that not be reflected in the title of the article? Nancy 16:00, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Eadulf Rus

Template:DYKsuggestion at 14:21, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

"Shine, Shine, My Star"

Template:DYKsuggestion at 13:52, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

2008 Humanitarian Bowl

Template:DYKsuggestion at 13:51, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Brian Johnson (quarterback)

Template:DYKsuggestion at 13:35, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

BBC Sports Personality of the Year Overseas Personality

Template:DYKsuggestion at 13:07, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

ALT1: ... that Jamaican athlete Usain Bolt (pictured) is the most recent recipient of the Overseas Personality award, part of the BBC Sports Personality of the Year? Chamal 13:07, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Singer (motorcycle)

Template:DYKsuggestion Thruxton (talk) 10:36, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Tropenhaus Frutigen

Template:DYKsuggestion at 10:26, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

The Price of Silence (EP)

Template:DYKsuggestion at 09:55, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

WLWI (AM)

Template:DYKsuggestion at 07:17, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

ALT1: ... that radio station WLWI in Montgomery, Alabama, was co-founded in 1930 (as WSFA) by future governor of Alabama Gordon Persons? (another option, if you need balance one way or the other) - Dravecky (talk) 07:32, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Edward I. Schalon

Template:DYKsuggestion at 05:28, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Harold Nichols

Template:DYKsuggestion at 05:21, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Bounty jumper

Template:DYKsuggestion at 05:19, 3 January 2009 (UTC) ALT1 ... that a bounty jumper, Adam Worth (pictured), became the inspiration for Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's Moriarty?

King Mojo Club

Template:DYKsuggestion at 02:36, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

The Champ

Template:DYKsuggestion at 02:33, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

County Route 74 (Rockland County, New York)

Template:DYKsuggestion at 02:08, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Mel Boozer

... that African American civil rights activist Mel Boozer was the first openly gay person nominated for the office of Vice President of the United States? - new article, self nom. Otto4711 (talk) 02:04, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Summer 1981 hunger demonstrations in Poland

... that widespread economic crisis and food shortages resulted in several Summer 1981 hunger demonstrations in Poland, with the biggest one taking place in Lodz? Self nom by Tymek (talk) 01:46, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Saturday Night Fiber

Template:DYKsuggestion at 01:42, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Wikilinked Morrissey and added the word "the" before "headliner." Otto4711 (talk) 02:31, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Franciacorta (wine)

Template:DYKsuggestion at 00:37, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

The House Behind the Cedars

... that the Virginia Board of Censors found the 1927 race film The House Behind the Cedars "so objectionable, in fact, as to necessitate its total rejection"? (new article, self-nom) Ecoleetage (talk) 02:03, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Verified. New Year new DYKs! — RyanCross (talk) 06:27, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Body and Soul (1925 film)

... that Paul Robeson's contract for the 1925 race film Body and Soul included a $100 per week salary plus three percent of the gross after the first $40,000 in receipts? (5x expansion, self-nom) Ecoleetage (talk) 03:04, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Verified. — RyanCross (talk) 06:21, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on January 2

Alice May

Template:DYKsuggestion at 17:34, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Draggin' the Line

... that since Tommy James' 1971 single "Draggin' the Line" reached #4 on the Top 40 Mainstream chart, it has appeared on at least 41 separate albums and in numerous media, from Austin Powers to a documentary on the pornographic film Deep Throat? New article, self nom by--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 09:16, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Voltage doubler

... that Heinrich Greinacher invented his voltage doubler circuit in 1913 because the 110 volt power supply in Zurich was insufficient for his newly invented ionometer which required 200 volts? self-nom new article (was redirect) by SpinningSpark 01:55, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

For the convenience of reviewers, the hook ref is available online here. I will create at least a stub for that redlink in the hook before it gets to the top of the queue. SpinningSpark 02:04, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Turnpike trusts in Greater Manchester

Template:DYKsuggestion at 23:45, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Sharon Tandy

Template:DYKsuggestion at 23:28, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Geastrum fornicatum

Template:DYKsuggestion at 22:28, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Joconde

Template:DYKsuggestion at 22:23, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Pane ticinese

Template:DYKsuggestion at 18:58, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Diane Geppi-Aikens

Template:DYKsuggestion at 17:07, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

A. P. Patro

File:Appatro.jpg

... that A. P. Patro (pictured) inaugurated the Loyola College in Chennai in 1925?-New article, self nom -Ravichandar_{My coffee shop} 16:56, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Charles Hawksley

... that Charles Hawksley was elected President of the Institution of Civil Engineers in 1901, exactly 30 years after his father, Thomas Hawksley, was elected to the position? - new article, self nom - Dumelow (talk) 16:22, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Bat Motor Manufacturing Co. Ltd

Template:DYKsuggestion Thruxton (talk) 15:13, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Tadodaho

Template:DYKsuggestion at 14:11, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Catherine Wilson and John Barnard Byles

Template:DYKsuggestion at 10:26, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

NB. John Barnard Byles was created by me on January 3rd. Malick78 (talk) 16:08, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Democratic July 14 Movement

Template:DYKsuggestion at 10:26, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

I like it ~~but it is only 2200 characters. Please expand it~~.--Thomas.macmillan (talk) 15:31, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Actually it's about 1780 characters, which is long enough according to criteria. Punkmorten (talk) 15:37, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Interim Self Governing Authority

Template:DYKsuggestion at 06:29, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Terminal Arcade

Template:DYKsuggestion at 05:34, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Verified, offline hook reference accepted in good faith. AdjustShift (talk) 13:58, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Offline hook reference has also been verified. AdjustShift (talk) 14:05, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

1981 Warning strike in Poland

... that the 1981 warning strike in Poland was the biggest strike in the history of the Soviet Bloc, with 12 to 14 million participants? self-nom by Tymek (talk) 04:35, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Zheng Xunyu

Template:DYKsuggestion at 04:31, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Go for a triple: Zheng Xunyu + Wei Zhiyi + Wang Shuwen !!! --74.13.125.109 (talk) 16:12, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
- Since Wei Zhiyi is now complete, it's added to this nomination. Wang Shuwen will have to wait at least several more days, though, depending on my schedule, so not at the moment. --Nlu (talk) 03:15, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on January 1

Uno (motorcycle)

Template:DYKsuggestion at 18:01, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Bob Osgood

Template:DYKsuggestion Cbl62 (talk) 05:38, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Stephen Haggard

Template:DYKsuggestion at 03:20, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Charles Leigh

Template:DYKsuggestion at 02:44, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

ALT1: ... that Charles Leigh played six seasons as a National Football League running back despite never playing college football? Rlendog (talk) 02:44, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
ALT2:... that running back Charles Leigh played six seasons in the National Football League without any previous training in college football? --74.13.125.109 (talk) 16:15, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Thomas Zereske

Template:DYKsuggestion at 23:29, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Too short at 919 characters of prose. It needs 1500. The bracketed results could easily be spelled out. Punkmorten (talk) 10:34, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Article expanded per request. It should be enough to earn the DYK. Chris (talk) 15:21, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Now long enough and all that. Others may think that the hook should focus less on Gille and more on Zereske. Punkmorten (talk) 15:35, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

alt. hook ... that sprint canoer Thomas Zereske's life was dedicated by his former teammate Christian Gille's gold medal at the 2004 Summer Olympics in the C-2 1000 m event? Chris (talk) 21:13, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Jesaya Nyamu

Template:DYKsuggestion at 22:11, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Johan Remen Evensen

Template:DYKsuggestion at 20:07, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

ALT1: "... the top three in only his fourth ..." Art LaPella (talk) 04:24, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Brough Superior SS80

Template:DYKsuggestion Thruxton (talk) 17:35, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Bolded subject; Reference Verified; Length verified Imperat§ r 20:50, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Texas Hold 'Em Poker (video game)

Template:DYKsuggestion at 17:21, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Hmm...maybe an alt of "... that the Nintendo DS video game Texas Hold 'Em Poker allows players to mimic certain nuances such as a player's tell? Cheers. Imperat§ r 20:53, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

I don't like the alt. It assumes the reader already knows the game. - Mgm| 11:07, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Darleen Ortega

Template:DYKsuggestion at 12:37, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Hershey Creamery Company

Template:DYKsuggestion at 09:29, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

2008 Music City Bowl

Template:DYKsuggestion at 07:16, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

The Dark Defender

Template:DYKsuggestion at 05:19, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

HMAS Jeparit

Template:DYKsuggestion at 05:11, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Jeff Moronko

Template:DYKsuggestion.

ALT: ... that Jeff Moronko had four at bats but no hits on his Major League Baseball debut? — RyanCross (talk) 04:35, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Verified. Either hook works. Ecoleetage (talk) 22:06, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Quantitative Precipitation Forecast

Template:DYKsuggestion at 03:46, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Verified. AdjustShift (talk) 13:36, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

St. Augustine in the American Civil War

Template:DYKsuggestion at 03:17, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

This took place on January 7, 1861, so January 7 would make the best date for this to be featured.--Gen. Bedford 03:53, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Barry Foote

Template:DYKsuggestion. — RyanCross (talk) 02:54, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

The word "baseball" in there could be handy for those who aren't familiar. :) —97198 (talk) 13:37, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Verified. Feel free to insert "baseball" where you sit fit. Ecoleetage (talk) 22:33, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Done. Added "Major League Baseball player" instead. — RyanCross (talk) 01:59, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

List of Dallas Stars head coaches

... that there have been four head coaches for the Dallas Stars, an American professional ice hockey team based in Dallas, Texas? Self-nom, 5x expanded -- _{signed by} SRE.K.A~~nnoyomous~~.L.24 _{(spell my name backwards)} at 02:53, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

There are better hooks available, if a bit of research is done to add a few sentences and references to this article. For example, general manager Bob Gainey fired himself as head coach in 1996. See here and here and here and here and here. - Dravecky (talk) 13:05, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

I will certainly add that into the article. I will make the alternate hook that I think you suggested after I finish adding the Bob Gainey firing himself sentence. Thanks and happy new year. -- _{signed by} SRE.K.A~~nnoyomous~~.L.24 _{(spell my name backwards)} at 01:51, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Done adding it to the article. Below is the alternate hook. -- _{signed by} SRE.K.A~~nnoyomous~~.L.24 _{(spell my name backwards)} at 02:06, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

ALT1 ... that in the middle of the 1995–96 National Hockey League season, Bob Gainey, who was the general manager and the head coach of the Dallas Stars, an American professional ice hockey team based in Dallas, Texas, fired himself as the head coach and replaced himself with Ken Hitchcock, who won the Stanley Cup with the Stars in the 1998–99 National Hockey League season? Kind of long, but can be shortened. -- _{signed by} SRE.K.A~~nnoyomous~~.L.24 _{(spell my name backwards)} at 02:06, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

The inline cite for this statement in the article goes to an article which says Gainey fired himself as head coach in the 1995-96 season, not 1996-97. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 08:52, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, wrote the wrong season. -- _{signed by} SRE.K.A~~nnoyomous~~.L.24 _{(spell my name backwards)} at 09:57, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

ALT2: ... that Bob Gainey fired himself as head coach of the Dallas Stars in the middle of the 1995–96 National Hockey League season? - (the article explains he was also the team's general manager, the tiny bit of mystery in the hook will get more people to read this article) Dravecky (talk) 10:45, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Kelly Paris

Template:DYKsuggestion. First nomination of the year for DYK! :-) — RyanCross (talk) 00:50, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

The word "baseball" in there could be handy for those who aren't familiar. :) —97198 (talk) 13:37, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Verified. Welcome to 2009 in DYK-land, Ryan! Ecoleetage (talk) 22:09, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for verifying, Ecoleetage. 97198, I've added a link. — RyanCross (talk) 02:02, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Jon Aaraas

Template:DYKsuggestion at 22:32, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

AGF verified for Norwegian source. Ecoleetage (talk) 22:34, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Jerzy Putrament

Template:DYKsuggestion at 16:39, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Verified, AGF on Polish-language source. Ecoleetage (talk) 22:10, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 31

Science and technology in Mexico

Template:DYKsuggestion at 08:33, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Kappe Residence

Template:DYKsuggestion Cbl62 (talk) 21:37, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Robert Eric Wone

Template:DYKsuggestion at 19:30, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Oppose. The article is currently being addressed at AfD. Little Red Riding Hoodtalk 18:45, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Washington Park Subdivision

Template:DYKsuggestion at 16:13, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

David Logan (Oregon politician)

Template:DYKsuggestion at 11:14, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Iminoglycinuria

Template:DYKsuggestion at 01:09, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

1941 Florida hurricane

... that despite producing 123 mph (198 km/h) winds, rainfall from the 1941 Florida hurricane reached only 0.35 in (8.9 mm) at Miami, Florida? –Juliancolton 00:09, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Artes (magazine)

Template:DYKsuggestion at 22:29, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Length and date good, Swedish language hook refs accepted in good faith. --Bruce1ee 13:19, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

The Green Bible

Template:DYKsuggestion at 19:57, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Go forth and spread the good DYK news. Ecoleetage (talk) 03:34, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Charles Bennett Ray

Template:DYKsuggestion at 19:46, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

I've added the article creator from here. --Bruce1ee 13:04, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Length, date and hook ref verified. --Bruce1ee 13:11, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

M47 bomb

Template:DYKsuggestion at 19:18, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Carl Fredriksens Transport

Template:DYKsuggestion at 18:26, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

In and Out scandal

Template:DYKsuggestion at 17:43, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Hook is uncited in article. - Dravecky (talk) 13:14, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Sure it is, ref 12. I've added another too. Maury Markowitz (talk) 17:03, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Great article but I'm still not finding a specific sentence with a citation that says what the hook says. The sentence cited by ref 12 appears only tangentially related. - Dravecky (talk) 10:10, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

The ref is supposed to cover the paragraph, not just the sentence. I have no opinion on whether it actually does. - Mgm| 11:05, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

See Misplaced Pages:Did you know#Selection criteria "3. Cited hook" for how text must be cited for all Did You Know hooks. - Dravecky (talk) 11:21, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

All of the statements in the hook are directly and specifically cited in a reference in the article. In the particular case under discussion, the Globe and Mail, in reference 13, specifically states that the election was called as a direct result of the "in-and-out" scheme. Click here and see the second and third paragraphs. Maury Markowitz (talk) 18:14, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

All Women Shortlists

Template:DYKsuggestion at 17:03, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

1963 Benin coup d'état

Template:DYKsuggestion at 16:20, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Moved to mainspace date. ~EDDY ~ 16:20, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Shouldn't this be 1963 Dahomey coup d'état instead? There was no country called "Benin" till 1975. --74.13.129.148 (talk) 14:08, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Suvi Raj Grubb

Template:DYKsuggestion at 15:50, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Lowfield Heath, St Michael and All Angels Church, Lowfield Heath

Template:DYKsuggestion at 15:30, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Length and refs fine Victuallers (talk) 16:20, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Carl Fredrik Wisløff

Template:DYKsuggestion at 15:27, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Gillender Building

... that the 20-storey Gillender Building, built in 1897, was demolished only thirteen years later to make way for the 14 Wall Street? -- new, self nom NVO (talk) 14:47, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Date and length of the article OK, references accepted. Nsk92 (talk) 23:08, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Charles H. Black

... that Indianapolis claims Charles H. Black as the inventor of the first internal combustion engine automobile, although his vehicle's ignition called for a kerosene torch? - new, self-nom. by Xn4 (talk) 09:52, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Walter L. Dodge House

Template:DYKsuggestion Cbl62 (talk) 07:49, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Gao Ying

Template:DYKsuggestion at 06:40, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Playnormous

Template:DYKsuggestion at 00:40, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

I have promotional and COI concerns. ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:40, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Sierra Highway

Template:DYKsuggestion at 23:19, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 30

Juan Davis Bradburn

Template:DYKsuggestion at 20:54, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Source is fine. Quote checks out. It is using only one source, which should be changed to ensure that there is more diversity, however, right now there is not a problem because the source relies on a wide range of points of views and source material that are quoted through the single source. Perhaps some of the sources could be quoted directly (such as Houston Telegraph and Texas Register), but as of now there should not be a problem. Ottava Rima (talk) 21:37, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Bolko I

Template:DYKsuggestion at 20:14, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Sources seem to check out. Page is a little skimpy, but no problem. Barely meets the 1,500 character count, but still meets it. I would recommend a possible double nom with Henry V the Fat if someone can come up with one. Ottava Rima (talk) 21:41, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Henry V the Fat

Template:DYKsuggestion at 20:02, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Although there is only one directly cited reference, there appears to be many references used for the page. The DYK hook is directly cited and is in a foreign language. AGF for it to contain the information that it is said to contain. Ottava Rima (talk) 21:45, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
He had a much more interesting life then that; could we use one of the other facts (battles, intrigues, imprisonment, etc.) for the hook instead? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 12:57, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

For sure, but it's about the most interesting thing that can be cited to the NDB (it's not that boring either, as fostering shows that his family had entered an intimate relationship with the Bohemian monarchs, which in turn sheds light on lots of the politics of the era). The rest is a translation of pl. wiki. If you could find a citation to a cooler fact, that'd be great! Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 14:30, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

John Keats's 1819 odes, Ode on Melancholy, Ode to a Nightingale, Ode to Psyche, To Autumn

Template:DYKsuggestion at 19:40, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

See User talk:Ottava Rima#Odes for the mathematics behind the expansion. These numbers do not include any indented or blocked in numbers, so there should be no controversy. Any questions or concerns, please contact me or Mrathel directly. We are constantly expanding and working on the pages, so things may change. Ottava Rima (talk) 19:40, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Edward Stirling Dickson

Template:DYKsuggestion at 23:16, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Hook from the Gentleman's Magazine obituary checks out (p. 538 on the Google Books citation). Ottava Rima (talk) 21:49, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Marble Mountain Wilderness

Template:DYKsuggestion at 14:40, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Information from Conifers of California accepted in good faith. Everything checks out. Ottava Rima (talk) 21:52, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Djibouti Francolin

Template:DYKsuggestion at 03:25, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Both sites are listed at the "World Pheasant Association" source. It is a reliable source because it compiles data from other academic sources and appears to be a respected group dealing with birds and bird activities. Article is currently around 9,400 characters and started at around 240 characters, meeting the expansion criteria. Article was also expanded on 31 December and not 30 December, so perhaps this should be moved to the more recent date? Ottava Rima (talk) 21:59, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

I started the expansion on 30 Dec and did most of it on 31 Dec. Feel free to move it if you need to. Thanks. Rufous-crowned Sparrow (talk) 14:20, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

1933 Treasure Coast hurricane

Template:DYKsuggestion at 17:14, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

This isn't necessarily an unusual occurrence. Many Category 4 storms attain winds of or greater than 140 mph. –Juliancolton 14:56, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Cullen Performance Hall

Template:DYKsuggestion at 04:06, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Battle of Same

Template:DYKsuggestion at 04:06, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Montana State Prison

Template:DYKsuggestion at 03:53, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

AGF verification for off-Wiki source. Ecoleetage (talk) 03:39, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Kamianets-Podilskyi Castle

Template:DYKsuggestion at 03:34, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

An interesting article, but unfortunately completely ineligible for DYK. This is not a new article; in fact, the initial version of the article is dated February 2008. On Dec 31, 2008 the article had a slight extension, but it was far less than a fivefold expansion (not even two-fold) compared with its previous version, dated Dec 13, 2008. Sorry, but completely ineligible for DYK according to WP:DYK#DYK rules. Nsk92 (talk) 04:39, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

I disagree. The article written in user space, and moved to main space here. "Unwritten" Rule D7. Art LaPella (talk) 05:05, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Please look at the full history log of the article. The article was initially created in mainspace on February 27, 2008 and was gradually expanded in mainspace over the next 9 months. Here is the diff comparing the current version with the version of December 13, 2008. The fact that the revision provided in your diff was prepared in user space does not make this a new article (because a previous version of the article already existed in mainspace), nor does it make it a 5x+ expansion compared with the previous operative version of December 13, 2008. Nsk92 (talk) 05:34, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Oops, I take it back. I see that the article was moved from userspace into mainspace using an actual pagemove rather than traditional paste-in, so the history log portion I was looking at actually referred to the time when it was still a user subpage. So it does qualify as a new article. Nsk92 (talk) 05:43, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm, now I am really confused. I don't see anything relevant in the move log but I do see a creation of a brand new manual redirect from a user subpage to the mainspace article on Dec 31. Could someone else please take a look at this and try to figure out what exactly is going on? Nsk92 (talk) 05:57, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

I thought this is the move log, which shows a move, and therefore I thought the article's previous version couldn't have existed in main space or it would have prevented the move. A move automatically creates a redirect from the "from" page to the "to" page. But others are certainly welcome to look. Art LaPella (talk) 06:05, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I think you are right. I was looking for the record of this move by clicking on "View logs for this page" in the history page of the article itself, but for some reason the move does not show up there. However, it does show in the log section for the Sandbox page, as you pointed out. So it seems that everything is Ok with the date of the article after all and that it was created in mainspace on Dec 31, 2008 and so the article is DYK eligible as a new article. Nsk92 (talk) 06:21, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Tualatin Valley Junior Academy

Template:DYKsuggestion at 03:33, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Template:DYKalt

ALT2: ... that Ring of Fire handbell choir students from Tualatin Valley Junior Academy performed at both inaugurations of President George W. Bush in 2001 and 2005? Art LaPella (talk) 04:18, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Caitlin Sanchez

Template:DYKsuggestion at 00:33, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Date, length, and verification all accounted for. However, the article has currently been prodded for deletion. Until this deletion issue is resolved, the DYK nom shouldn't pass. Terrakyte (talk) 03:29, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Prod tag was removed. Clear claim of notability and ample sources should make an AfD rather unlikely. Alansohn (talk) 23:12, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Prod removed. Everything accounted for. Terrakyte (talk) 12:35, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

General Instrument CP1600

Template:DYKsuggestion at 20:51, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

I know what both of these things are, and used them both, but other readers may not. May I suggest (ALT 1) *... that General Instrument's CP1600 microprocessor saw little use in its intended role in the PDP-11 minicomputer, but millions were produced for use in the Intellivision video game console? Alansohn (talk) 00:41, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

I like it! Maury Markowitz (talk) 18:31, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

IR-40

Template:DYKsuggestion at 19:53, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

produce 10 kg per what? I don't believe the reactor will disappear after converting Pu... Maury Markowitz (talk) 21:06, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

There we go. ErikTheBikeMan (talk) 21:07, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Fixed! Maury Markowitz (talk) 18:31, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

A Life of Her Own

Template:DYKsuggestion at 18:20, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Note: Hook does not link to the article. ErikTheBikeMan (talk) 19:55, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

That was corrected by Maury Markowitz. Art LaPella (talk) 21:50, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Removed non-free image File:LifeOfHerOwn.jpg. Please see the rules above. --Bruce1ee 10:40, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Looks good. ErikTheBikeMan (talk) 21:07, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

WTH is the "Breen office"? Do we have a relevant link; otherwise it should be explained? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnbod (talk • contribs) 15:12, 1 January 2009 UTC (UTC)

I think it refers to the office of film censor Joseph I. Breen. I've added this link to the hook. --Bruce1ee 06:15, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Ready to go. MovieMadness (talk) 17:41, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Siege of Constantinople (1203), Siege of Constantinople (1204) and Siege of Constantinople (1235)

... that the city of Constantinople was besieged three times in less than 35 years, namely in 1203, 1204 and 1235?

:* Unfortunately, all of the articles are older than 5 days, and none have been expanded 5x in the last 5 days. Unless 5x expansion occurs, none of the articles can pass. Terrakyte (talk) 16:23, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

After re-examining the articles, I have determined that the level of expansion required is so great as to warrant an outright fail of the noms. Terrakyte (talk) 04:57, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Jean-Baptiste Hachème

Template:DYKsuggestion at 15:47, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Willie McCartney

Template:DYKsuggestion at 13:57, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

ALT1: ... that Willie McCartney replaced his father as manager of Heart of Midlothian F.C.? Jmorrison230582 (talk) 17:01, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

FN-6

Template:DYKsuggestion at 11:22, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

ALT1: ... that the FN-6, a third generation Chinese MANPAD, was specifically designed to be used against targets flying at low and very low altitudes? Chamal 11:22, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

White-faced Heron

Template:DYKsuggestion at 10:19, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

The hook is too long at 222 characters. You need to reduce it to not more than 200. --Bruce1ee 11:21, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Not sure exactly what to count but it should be around 195 now. Noodle snacks (talk) 11:45, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

That's fine. Expansion, date and hook ref verified. --Bruce1ee 11:59, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Yanna McIntosh

Template:DYKsuggestion at 08:42, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Rob MacCachren

Template:DYKsuggestion at 02:35, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Alexander John Scott

Template:DYKsuggestion at 01:38, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Length of hook and article verified. Date of creation checked. Offline reference source accepted in good faith. - Mgm| 11:12, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

List of Canadian Idol finalists

... that there has never been a Canadian Idol finalist from Prince Edward Island nor the Canadian territories? New article, self-nom -- _{signed by} SRE.K.A~~nnoyomous~~.L.24 _{spell my name backwards} at 00:53, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 29

Battle of Sio

Template:DYKsuggestion at 10:52, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Polyamino carboxylic acid

Template:DYKsuggestion at 11:23, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Kangirsuk, Quebec

Template:DYKsuggestion at 16:35, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Arnold Jacob Wolf

Template:DYKsuggestion at 15:42, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Date and length OK, on-line ref verified. At 200 characters the hook was at the maximal allowed length, I shortened it by about 5 characters, just in case. Nsk92 (talk) 04:16, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Rugby-Bundesliga 2007-08

Template:DYKsuggestion at 09:05, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Could a (small) article on SC Frankfurt 1880 be made? That would make the hook look better. Punkmorten (talk) 12:05, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

I'm planning to but it will have to wait a week or two the least, sadly, no time right now. The hook could be used then if not good enough now. EA210269 (talk) 12:39, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Hal Fryar

Template:DYKsuggestion at 07:32, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Unless the hook's grammar is a self-referential joke, I recommend a correction such as "... because of the grammatically incorrect title of the movie The Outlaws Is Coming? Art LaPella (talk) 08:49, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

OK, how about ALT1... that because of the grammatically incorrect title of the movie The Outlaws Is Coming, a number of English teachers expressed displeasure with Harlow Hickenlooper? Spy007au (talk) 09:13, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Or ALT2 ... that Hal Fryar received a number of complaints from English teachers because he appeared in a movie with the grammatically incorrect title The Outlaws Is Coming? --Metropolitan90 (talk) 09:42, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Kelley Point Park

Template:DYKsuggestion at 06:12, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Confirmed, paper ref accepted in good faith. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MacGyverMagic (talk • contribs) 10:50, 2 January 2009 UTC (UTC)

ALT 1: ... that Kelly Point, where the Willamette River meets the Columbia River in Oregon, was part of the former Pearcy Island?
ALT 2: ... that Kelly Point, where the Willamette River meets the Columbia River in Oregon, was once part of former Pearcy Island?

Roland Harper

Template:DYKsuggestion at 03:38, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Gil Dodds (athlete)

Template:DYKsuggestion at 02:48, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Length, dates, and cites check out as good. - Dravecky (talk) 08:29, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Alvah Chapman, Jr.

Template:DYKsuggestion at 02:27, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Hook sentence needs direct citation. - Dravecky (talk) 08:23, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Paul Boucherot

... that Paul Boucherot and his partner Georges Claude built an ocean thermal energy conversion plant in Cuba as long ago as 1926? New article self-nom by SpinningSpark 00:08, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

for the convenience of reviewers the ref is available online here.

Date from move to article space okay, references now okay, length is fine. - Dravecky (talk) 08:21, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Fritz Otto Bernert

Template:DYKsuggestion at 22:57, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

I like this hook! Good enough for the next April Fools' Day special? --74.13.128.83 (talk) 02:17, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Pity he didn't survive to the Second World War when he could have been matched against our no-legged pilot. SpinningSpark 14:57, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Thimpu principles

Template:DYKsuggestion at 22:29, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

I can't find a ref in the article for the hook. ErikTheBikeMan (talk) 20:34, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

ALT 1... that the Thimpu principles were put forward by Sri Lankan Tamil delegates at Thimpu, Bhutan? Taprobanus (talk) 04:32, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Bryan Lobb

Template:DYKsuggestion at 22:14, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Scottish Six Days Trial

Template:DYKsuggestion Thruxton (talk) 21:07, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Length and dates good, added second cite for certainty, ready to go. - Dravecky (talk) 08:14, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Operation Parthenon, Operation Boris, Operation Finery, Operation Shed, Plan Giralda

... that Operations Parthenon, Boris, Finery, Shed and Plan Giralda were all British plans for military intervention in Zanzibar following the 1964 revolution? - new articles, self nom - Dumelow (talk) 18:22, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

All five articles check out for length, cites, and dates. - Dravecky (talk) 08:06, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

MC-1 bomb

Template:DYKsuggestion at 14:29, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

That image is weird, surely there is a better one somewhere, I will keep my eyes open for one. An alt follows.
ALT1: ... that although the U.S. MC-1 chemical bomb was designed to fit the F-4 Phantom II, it could not fit that plane's successor, the F-16?

Battle of Suez

Template:DYKsuggestion at 09:19, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Dates and length good, offline cite accepted as AGF. - Dravecky (talk) 08:02, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Averill Park Central School District

Template:DYKsuggestion at 06:23, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Dates, length, and cite all good to go. - Dravecky (talk) 08:00, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 28

Quick Fuck

Template:DYKsuggestion at 16:34, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

ALT1: ... that the Quick F**k cocktail shooter, named for shock value, is made using Midori liqueur and Baileys Irish Cream and is a form of Pousse-café? Cabe6403 16:34, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
Kinda fun, no doubt but the two refs aren't even describing the same drink. In addition, the "shock value" part isn't even sourced and is preceded by "appears", which is fancy English for "guess".--Wehwalt (talk) 16:48, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

On a closer look, there is no source to say that it is a form of pousse-cafe either. There are no references except for the ingredients, so the page might not actually make it through a deletion nomination in its current state. Ottava Rima (talk) 17:16, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

LGBT people in prison

Template:DYKsuggestion at 10:23, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

ALT1: ... that according to Just Detention International, 67% of all LGBT people in prison report being assaulted? Bruce1ee 10:23, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Joshua L. Liebman

Template:DYKsuggestion at 09:12, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Confirmed, paper ref accepted in good faith. - Mgm| 10:45, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Harlan Estate

Template:DYKsuggestion at 15:52, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Hook fact needs a direct inline citation, hook sentence and other parts of the articles need typo corrections. - Dravecky (talk) 07:56, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Indeed. Please mention other typos I may have missed. MURGH 10:10, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Teletubbies say Eh-oh!

Template:DYKsuggestion at 01:02, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Before Colonel Warden started his expansion of the article on December 30, the article contained 546 characters of prose. Atm, it contains 2132, which is not a 5x expansion. The article needs to get to 2730 characters, at least, before this DYK nom can pass. Terrakyte (talk) 03:18, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

But if you move the article to December 28, it was a new article on that date, except for a redirect. Art LaPella (talk) 04:12, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Ah, it wasn't clear to me whether the date was the start or end-point for the expansion. I'll move it to the date that Art suggests, if that's ok. Colonel Warden (talk) 09:45, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Turkish Airlines Flight 634

Template:DYKsuggestion at 08:11, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Length, date and hook ref verified. --Bruce1ee 12:27, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

June Buchanan

Template:DYKsuggestion at 22:54, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Verified. I read the source, and I saw that she co-founded the school at age 100. That would be an interesting fact to add to the hook and the article. — RyanCross (talk) 18:01, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Actually, she co-founded Alice Lloyd College in the early 1920s. June Buchanan School, the prep school on-campus, was founded when she was 96 or 97. She died at either age 100 or 101. Willking1979 (talk) 19:24, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Amanitore

Template:DYKsuggestion at 22:35, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

The article only mentions this fact (the listing) in the reference without mentioning it in the prose. - Mgm| 13:48, 30 December 2008 (UTC) Made explicit as closing sentence, Mgm Victuallers (talk) 10:09, 31 December 2008 (UTC) <== reffed as well Victuallers (talk) 14:13, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

ALT1: ... that Nubian Queen Kandake Amanitore (pictured) was buried in her own pyramid in Meroe?

List of NFL teams with multiple 1000 yard rushers

Template:DYKsuggestion at 18:36, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

New article, date and hook ref verified. The picture doesn't cut it as it doesn't really illustrate the ~~article~~ hook (it doesn't have a lot to do with the article either). But otherwise looks good. Thanks for adding an interesting article. ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:49, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure the picture doesn't illustrate the hook or the article - there are 10 players in NFL history who have been parts of 1000 yard rushing tandems, and the picture is of one of them, and the most recent, and one of the two that are part of the most recent tandem referred to in the hook. That said, if the picture is not appropriate to use for the DYK, that is fine with me. Rlendog (talk) 06:20, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for the compliment on the article, by the way. I was actually surprised this list didn't already exist. Then when I started writing it, I found that the history was more interesting than I originally expected. Rlendog (talk) 06:30, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

E61 anthrax bomblet

Template:DYKsuggestion at 05:57, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Du You

Template:DYKsuggestion at 03:45, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Trois petites Liturgies de la Présence Divine

Template:DYKsuggestion at 03:22, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

ALT: ... that music critic Claude Rostand described Olivier Messiaen's Trois petites Liturgies de la Présence Divine as a "work of tinsel, false magnificence and pseudo-mysticism"? Hermione1980 18:36, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Richard Martin (Lord Mayor of London), Richard Martin (Recorder of London)

Template:DYKsuggestion at 23:59, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Alt hook without death dates: ... that Richard Martin who was Lord Mayor of London in 1589 and 1594 is not the same as Richard Martin (pictured) who was “thrashed” by the poet John Davies in the Hall of the Middle Temple in 1598? - PKM (talk) 18:16, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
Alt hook 2 (shorter): ... that Richard Martin , Lord Mayor of London in 1589 and 1594, is not the Richard Martin (pictured) who was “thrashed” by the poet John Davies in the Hall of the Middle Temple in 1598? - PKM (talk) 21:33, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

E23 munition

Template:DYKsuggestion at 21:50, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

ALT1:.. that the American E23 munition was made of cardboard?

This alternate hook depends upon which hook is used for another of my suggestions below, the E14 munition. If the alternate about that munition being made of cardboard is used, then this one, obviously, should not be used, so make sure you check the archives before using this one. --IvoShandor (talk) 21:52, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Stability constants of complexes

Template:DYKsuggestion at 20:07, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

The reference doesn't cover the whole hook on its place in the article. I've asked Peter for clarification. - Mgm| 10:41, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

I've moved the reference two sentences down. Is that what was wanted? Regarding references at the end of each paragraph, I am following WP:SCG which states that references are not required for material that can be considered to be "common knowledge". The unreferenced parts of this article are covered in detail in the general references 2 and 3 and can also be found in many chemistry text-books at first-year University level. Petergans (talk) 11:54, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Wild Oats XI

Template:DYKsuggestion at 18:37, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Verified. Ref 1 checks out of BBC News in the title of the news report. — RyanCross (talk) 02:19, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Franks Hall

Template:DYKsuggestion at 17:29, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

suggest replacing ", Horton Kirby" by ", in Horton Kirby," or by ", in Horton Kirby, Kent,". Otherwise it seems ungrammatical to me. doncram (talk) 18:11, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Done! Mjroots (talk) 18:41, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

La Nativité du Seigneur

Template:DYKsuggestion at 15:57, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Heathkit H8

Template:DYKsuggestion at 14:23, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

There is only one reference in the article (which is not even an in-line citation at that), to a website that may or may not pass WP:RS. In any event, notability of the subject is not established and would need to be demonstrated first by references to multiple independent reliable sources. The article cannot go to the main page in its current form. Nsk92 (talk) 15:00, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

I don't think it's neccesary for an article to be perfect to be on the front page, but since not even the hook has a citation in the article, this one clearly doesn't qualify. It doesn't meet the rules for DYK selection. - Mgm| 16:41, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Please re-evaluate. A work in progress progresses. Maury Markowitz (talk) 01:43, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Note: These reviews were made while I was still editing (I wanted to DYK it before I forgot). I have addressed these issues (in spades) so I would like to get this re-accessed. I've left notes on their talk pages. Is there anything else I should do? Maury Markowitz (talk) 02:06, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

There are some references in the article now, but the entry still does not satisfy the DYK requirements. First, according to the official DYK rules, there must be a sentence in the article, with an in-line citation in that very sentence, corresponding to the hook's statement. I do not see an in-line citation of this sort in the article. Second, I still have considerable doubts about notability of the subject of the article, at least in terms of such notability being demonstrated by the references given in the article itself. Notability needs to be demonstrated by detailed and specific coverage in independent reliable sources, as defined by WP:V and WP:RS. Looking at the refs in the article, I see a number of refs that appear to fall short of these requirements. For example, ref no 2 (Arendt), refs no 7 and 8 (Wallace) are references to posts at personal webpages of private individuals, definitely falling short of WP:RS. Ref no 3(Obsolete Technology Homepage), also points to a private website maintained by a single individual, a technology enthusiast, according to that website's mission statement. Again, most likely does not pass WP:RS, at least not for DYK purposes. Nsk92 (talk) 15:17, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

E14 munition and possibly E86 cluster bomb

Template:DYKsuggestion at 11:47, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

ALT1: ... that the American E14 munition was made of cardboard?--IvoShandor (talk) 11:53, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
ALT2: ... that after the American E86 cluster bomb was canceled its E14 sub-muntion was altered to deliver yellow fever mosquitoes and rat fleas?

This alternate hook could go two ways, it could be a double hook, but you'd probably have to let E86 cluster bomb slide, because by my count its only about 1,480 characters, and I really don't think I can get any more out of it without being wordy and ridiculous. Unless someone else has another source, of course. Alternatively, this hook could be used without E86 cluster bomb bolded as one of the hook articles like so:

ALT3:... that after the American E86 cluster bomb was canceled its E14 sub-muntion was altered to deliver yellow fever mosquitoes and rat fleas?

--IvoShandor (talk) 13:15, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Silk Engineering

Template:DYKsuggestion Thruxton (talk) 10:25, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Qi Kang

Template:DYKsuggestion at 07:09, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

List of Tampa Bay Rays managers

... that there have been four managers for the Tampa Bay (Devil) Rays, a Major League Baseball franchise based in St. Petersburg, Florida? new article, self-nom -- _{signed by} SRE.K.A~~nnoyomous~~.L.24 _{spell my name backwards} at 03:19, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Might as well mention that none of them has a winning record. BTW, the first three were actually managers for the Tampa Bay Devil Rays. --74.13.128.83 (talk) 14:17, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

How about this. Your suggestion is at the bottom. -- _{signed by} SRE.K.A~~nnoyomous~~.L.24 _{spell my name backwards} at 16:31, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

ALT1 ... that all four of the managers for the Tampa Bay (Devil) Rays, a Major League Baseball franchise based in St. Petersburg, Florida, have never had a winning percentage with the (Devil) Rays? -- _{signed by} SRE.K.A~~nnoyomous~~.L.24 _{spell my name backwards} at 16:31, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

ALT2 ... that none of the managers of the Tampa Bay (Devil) Rays, a Major League Baseball team based in St. Petersburg, Florida, has ever had a winning record with the team? - (still not quite perfect, but I think this is closer) Dravecky (talk) 21:48, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

'ALT3 ... that the Tampa Bay (Devil) Rays, a Major League Baseball team located in St. Petersburg, Florida, has had a losing record under each of its four managers?--Wehwalt (talk) 02:01, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Samuel Fryar

Template:DYKsuggestion at 03:04, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Commando (pigeon)

Template:DYKsuggestion at 03:00, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

ALT1: ... that a World War II pigeon, Commando, received the Dickin Medal in 1945 along with Royal Blue, the King's pigeon? Chamal 03:00, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

A picture would be great. The article is new and meets the date requirement. Can some check the length for me? I think calling him a WWII pigeon is weird. How about ... that a pigeon named Commando carried crucial intelligence during World War II and received the Dickin Medal in 1945? I can't find anything about the King's pigeon. Royal Blue seems to be another bird used during the war. Sources from the time of the award would be good too. Most of the sources are from the auction of the medal. ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:13, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

2556 characters, long enough. Art LaPella (talk) 04:12, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

How about this one then, to remove that WWII pigeon thing: ALT2... that Commando, a messenger pigeon of World War II, received the Dickin Medal in 1945 for carrying crucial intelligence from agents in occupied France to Britain? Chamal 12:47, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

ALT3: ... that a messenger pigeon named Commando received the Dickin Medal in 1945 for carrying crucial intelligence from agents in occupied France to Britain during World War II? (for flow and grammar) - Dravecky (talk) 10:29, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Fine with me :) Chamal 13:09, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Carabane

Template:DYKsuggestion at 02:54, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

The article itself doesn't state those people invented the tool. I've asked Neelix for clarification. - Mgm| 14:47, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

- My original hook isn't going to work; the kayendo is unique to Basse Casamance, but not specifically to the island of Carabane. It's possible that it originated on the island, but that is not certain. Here is an alternate hook that would be more appropriate: Neelix (talk) 22:21, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

ALT1 ... that Captain Aristide Protet was shot with a poisoned arrow on the island of Carabane, where he was subsequently buried standing up? (grave pictured)

Perhaps this would be better as a double nomination:

ALT2 ... that the Jola, the majority ethnic group in Carabane (scenery pictured), are very distinct from other major ethnic groups in Senegal by their language, egalitarian society, freedom from political hierarchy, and lack of slavery? Neelix (talk) 19:09, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Pocahontas Island, Virginia

Template:DYKsuggestion at 19:58, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Length, date, hook and citations OK. Changed "in the 1860 South" to "in the 1860 Southern United States" and "antebellum" to "antebellum" for the benefit of non-US readers. Sandstein 08:13, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
Prehistoric evidence of... what? - Dravecky (talk) 09:13, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

First Baptist Church (Petersburg, Virginia)

Template:DYKsuggestion at 20:27, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

~~This article currently isn't long enough for Did You Know. Please see #Instructions for details. Art LaPella (talk) 21:50, 30 December 2008 (UTC)~~Lengthened. Art LaPella (talk) 04:12, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Gillfield Baptist Church, Virginia

Template:DYKsuggestion at 20:27, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

ALT1: ... that Gillfield Baptist Church, Virginia, the second oldest black congregation in Petersburg, in 1829 resisted a consolidation with the white congregation at Market Street Church? Parkwells (talk) 20:27, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
ALT2: ... that Rev. Henry Williams, called in 1865 as the first black pastor at Gillfield Baptist Church, Virginia, since 1831, served until 1900 and also was elected to the Petersburg City Council?

Art, I've found more material for the article and it's now over 2500 characters.--Parkwells (talk) 02:41, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 27

Friedrich Ritter von Röth

Template:DYKsuggestion at 02:28, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Length and date OK, but the citation is not properly formatted as {{cite web}}, and is moreover to a forum of a website that is itself of unclear reliability. That's not front page material, sorry. Sandstein 08:02, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

No problem; I have added a citation of book by same author I quoted from the forum. You now have a source that fulfills your reliability requirement.

FYI, http:www.theaerodrome.com's forum contains informative dialogue by the authors of the Osprey series of books about World War I aviation, as well as other experts on the subject. So long as I consider the individual, I can find reliable info in these forums, as well as leads to books. Admittedly, I also find much to question or ignore.

Georgejdorner (talk) 08:44, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Offline ref now present. Sandstein 10:01, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

M. Bhaktavatsalam

Template:DYKsuggestion at 18:51, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Paul Verner

Template:DYKsuggestion at 17:27, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

I think it's interesting that he lived in exile (from the nationalists) and fought in the Spanish Civil War. I would go with: " that East German communist Paul Verner (pictured) spent years in exile and fought as a volunteer in the International Brigades during the Spanish Civil War?" I might even leave out the International Brigades. I don't think most people know what that is. You could even say he fled the nationalists in Germany and fought against Franco's nationalist forces in Spain. Interesting article. A lot of interesting history in there. The intro needs to be expanded to summarize the rest of the article.ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:53, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I think 'spent years in exile' is a good addition. I think we should keep International Brigades in the hook though, its rather notable. I have expanded the intro somewhat now. --Soman (talk) 08:45, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

what about: ... that Paul Verner (pictured) fled Germany's nationalists and fought as a volunteer in the International Brigades during the Spanish Civil War?

My worry is that saying East German is strange since we're talking about what is now Germany and what was Germany when he was fighting for Spain. Eastern Germany was inbetween. Can't they read the article to find out that he was an East German politician? I'm okay with adding he's a socialist too, although the "International" birgades is a bit of a tip off. Plus I like people going to the article to learn more. What do you think? Am I over complicating matters? My hook would need to be wikified properly. ChildofMidnight (talk) 07:16, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

International Brigades is a relevant fact, and a wellknown unit in the war. As per East Germany, Verner had his political career and became notable in the GDR. --Soman (talk) 15:49, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Expresso (film)

Template:DYKsuggestion at 16:11, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

I started the expansion on December 23 from a stub, finished it today. - Mgm| 16:11, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

I have a few comments. The intro needs to be expanded to summarize the article's contents. I thought it was notable, catchy and interesting that: he connected telephone calls from war leaders to prime minister Winston Churchill who he met on several occasions when the leader wanted updates on incoming calls. Since I don't know who Norman is, the fact that his final movie was minor doesn't grab my interest. But it's an interesting article, thanks for working on it. ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:40, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

ALT 1: ... that the final screen role of BAFTA Award winning actor Sir Norman Wisdom was that of a vicar in the 2007 British short film Expresso? —Preceding unsigned comment added by MacGyverMagic (talk • contribs) 12:57, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

As he's still alive, we don't know it's his final role, do we? Ghmyrtle (talk) 20:46, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

It's been officially called his final role. He lives in a care home and he's suffering from vascular dementia. I don't see how he could return to acting, especially since he can't remember lines anymore. - Mgm| 13:21, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Fine, you've answered my question. Ghmyrtle (talk) 13:28, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Verifying Alt 1 hook. Ecoleetage (talk) 03:45, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Choa Chu Kang Community Library

Template:DYKsuggestion at 13:39, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Verified length, date and hook. RMHED (talk) 20:16, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Article needs a grammar polish and explanation of words like "protyped" (which is how it's spelled in the source, too) before promotion. Source for hook is at the end of the paragraph, not the sentence, which is less of a concern than the fact that it's an article written by the National Library Board Singapore so it's not an independent third-party source. - Dravecky (talk) 10:01, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

I corrected the spelling error. The Soon 12:59, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Improvements verified, hook is good to go. - Dravecky (talk) 09:11, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

I removed a huge section about bus timetables (!) from the article and remain somewhat unimpressed by it. Sorry. Sandstein 09:33, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Zhao Zongru

Template:DYKsuggestion at 09:17, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

I like the hook. Short and catchy. I also think it's notable that all six emperor names end in zong. What are the odds on that? :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:34, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

-zong is commonly used in the Temple name of Chinese emperors. May I suggest not showing the word "Emperor" six times? --74.13.128.83 (talk) 14:31, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

- OK, let's change it to ...
- ... that the Tang Dynasty official Zhao Zongru served under six emperors—Emperors Dezong, Shunzong, Xianzong, Muzong, Jingzong, and Wenzong? --Nlu (talk) 04:31, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Leaving Springfield

Template:DYKsuggestion at 06:52, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Interesting! how about... "that The Simpsons television show has inspired a non-fiction book discussing capitalism, the Cold War, and nuclear arms"? Hmmm? Makes you want to read the article doesn't it! I don't think the title of the book or the words "discusses issues presented" are catchy enough. But then I was raised on Bart, Beavis and Cartman. ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:20, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

I think the initial hook presented is fine. Your alt hook does not include the title of the new article, or a link to it. Cirt (talk) 06:11, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

LOL, details details. How about: that The Simpsons inspired a non-fiction book on capitalism, the Cold War, and nuclear arms called Leaving Springfield. ChildofMidnight (talk) 06:36, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Well, the book is not only on "capitalism, the Cold War, and nuclear arms", so the phrasing in the suggested ALT hook is sort of actually more awkward than the initial hook. Cirt (talk) 08:21, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

ALT hook: ... that The Simpsons inspired a non-fiction book discussing the television program's take on capitalism, the Cold War, and nuclear arms, called Leaving Springfield? (I still think the initial hook is better - this type of rearrangement is quite awkward). Cirt (talk) 08:28, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Fair enough. The initial hook it is! ChildofMidnight (talk) 10:09, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Okay thanks. Cirt (talk) 10:11, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

or: ... that The Simpsons inspired a non-fiction book on topics including capitalism, the Cold War, and nuclear arms called Leaving Springfield?

What do you think Cirt? And when are the Science textbooks based on Beavis and Butthead coming out? ChildofMidnight (talk) 07:28, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Again, the hook doesn't work. This latest ALT hook has the same problem as the others - it is misleading because it makes the reader think that the book is about "capitalism, the Cold War, and nuclear arms", when in actuality these issues are discussed within the context of the program itself. Cirt (talk) 07:32, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

You have a point. But it doesn't say the book is about those topics, it says it is on topics "including" those. For further context all they need is to read the article. And I thought the whole idea of baiting a hook is to lure them in with a juicy piece of meat... before BANG you're reeling them in for dinner... ChildofMidnight (talk) 08:32, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

But it is not a book on topics "including" those topics, it is a book on The Simpsons, which happens to discuss those topics, among others. That is why the wording in the initial hook works better. Cirt (talk) 08:34, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

ALT3: ... that Leaving Springfield is a non-fiction anthology of essays analyzing the impact of the television program The Simpsons on society? - Dravecky (talk) 08:54, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

This would be fine. Cirt (talk) 08:56, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Cui Sun

Template:DYKsuggestion at 05:53, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Length, date, hook and citation OK. Image on Commons. Sandstein 07:43, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Galician slaughter

Template:DYKsuggestion at 00:27, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

This hook seems a little long and complicated. Are you trying to key in on the impact the uprising had in undermining Polish unity and opposition to the partition? Because if not, saying ... that the slaughter of Polish nobles in a peasant uprising in 1846 became known as the Galician slaughter? works for me and is quite a bit simpler. ChildofMidnight (talk) 07:42, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

I think that the fact that it was encouraged by the Austrian government in order to weaken the anti-government nobility is the most interesting.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 12:58, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Expiring noms

Articles created/expanded on December 26

Cape Grim massacre

Template:DYKsuggestion at 09:35, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

~~Hook, citation, date and length OK.~~ Sandstein 07:41, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
The fight over the women and the incident where four shepherds killed an undetermined number of aborigines (is it 6, 30, or "about 30"?) are not the same incident in the article nor is the hook fact clearly stated in a coherent way in the article. - Dravecky (talk) 08:24, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

The fight over the woman was what sparked (caused) the massacre a few months later. The first sentence of the "Massacre" section of the article states that 30 aborigines were killed, and this is backed up by reference 7. --Bruce1ee 08:50, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

I am the writer of the article. Bruce Lee is correct. The fight over use/abuse of aboriginal women is what caused an escalation of violence leading to a massacre of 30 aborigines. The generally accepted view of most historians familiar with this incident (see Historical skepticism section) is that George Augustus Robinson's account that 30 people were killed in the massacre is accurate, this being an estimate based upon his investigation. One controversial historian disputes Robinson's account and estimate of number killed. I have detailed this in the Historical skepticism section to ensue the article has a neutral POV.--Takver (talk) 09:49, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

I have clarified the first paragraph in the article to state over 30 aborigines attacked, 30 killed, an unknown number escaping.--Takver (talk) 10:17, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Okay, but my question about the timeline and the direct connection of the "fight over women" still stands. The article says the incident with the women took place in December 1827 and one aborigine was shot dead. Then at some point later, the tribe drove a flock of sheep over a cliff. Then in February, a "punitive expedition killed twelve Aborigines in response." Only after that do we get to the massacre but the detail emphasized is how the bodies were thrown over the same cliff the sheep had been driven over—making it seem far more about the sheep than the aboriginal women. I don't doubt that these events took place as described it's just that the article doesn't clearly and directly connect the original fight over the women to the massacre, rather it makes the massacre seem a bloody escalation in an terrible, ongoing genocide. - Dravecky (talk) 18:07, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

But the events are connected. Reference 7, under the heading "Cape Grim Massacre", describes the sequence of events, beginning with the molestation of the aboriginal women and ending with the massacre of the 30 aborigines. --Bruce1ee 07:25, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Esix Snead

Template:DYKsuggestion at 21:54, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

I think a tweak may be needed because four is a lot in "two brief appearances" and the "only" seems to minimize the achievement. In fact I would suggest (ALT 1)... that baseball player Esix Snead had 507 stolen bases in nine minor league seasons and four more in two brief appearances in the major leagues with the New York Mets? Four is a lot in two appearances, but he's no Mookie Wilson. ChildofMidnight (talk) 07:49, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

I was trying to emphasize that he had a very substantial number of stolen bases in the minors, but never really made it as a major leaguer. The "but only" was intended in comparison to the number stolen in the minors not to minimize stealing 4 bases in 18 major league games, which would be about 35 in a full 162-game season. I wonder if "and" instead of "but only" loses that hookiness? Alansohn (talk) 21:58, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

How about something like (ALT 2)... that baseball player Esix Snead had 507 stolen bases in nine minor league seasons compared with four in two brief appearances in the major leagues with the New York Mets? faithless () 23:23, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

That captures more of what I was looking for, but how about reversing it as (ALT 3)... that baseball player Esix Snead had four stolen bases in two brief appearances in the major leagues with the New York Mets, but stole 507 bases in nine minor-league seasons? Alansohn (talk) 18:30, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

I agree that switching them around makes it read better. I do have a minor quibble, though; the word "but" still makes it read as though we're passing some sort of judgment on his accomplishments, IMHO. To me it reads like, "...Snead wasn't very good in the majors, but he did really well in the minors!" I think using "compared to" takes our opinion out of it entirely and lets the reader make up their own mind (lets them make the comparison for themselves, if you will). So my suggestion would be (ALT 4) ... that baseball player Esix Snead had four stolen bases in two brief appearances in the major leagues with the New York Mets compared to 507 in nine minor-league seasons? faithless () 19:33, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

<outdent> I'm a little confused. The original hook says 4 stolen bases in 2 brief appearances. Then there is mention of 18 games? How many games did he play in? If he stole 4 bases in 2 appearances I don't see a quibble, I think we just go with the original hook and replace the word "but" with the word "and". It's clear he didn't make it in the majors if he's only had 2 appearances. Isn't the whole point that he's notable for a zillion minor league and a few in the major league, why are we but-butting? I would also take out the word brief. Why were his appearances brief? The original hook is fine assuming he had 2 appearances, we just replace but with and. We don't have to explain why his career in the majors was short. People can read the article.ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:28, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

I guess the question is what is meant by "appearances". Snead was called up to the majors twice, getting into 17 games the first time and one the 2nd. Appearances here doesn't (or shouldn't, anyway) mean games played. But I am not sure that the number of call ups to the majors he had is really relevant to the hook. So it seems to me that the following would appropriately contrast his major and minor league stolen base record without introducing confusion as to what is meant by "appearances", because 4 stolen bases in 2 games would be a lot: (ALT 5)... that baseball player Esix Snead stole 507 bases in the minor-leagues but had just four stolen bases in the major leagues? Or else maybe something like: (ALT 6)... that baseball player Esix Snead had four stolen bases in 18 major league games, but stole 507 bases in nine minor-league seasons? Rlendog (talk) 06:27, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Kamila Skolimowska

Template:DYKsuggestion at 16:52, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

I added the word "age", or it could be written as "at 17 years and 331 days old", otherwise it's not clear what "at 17 years and 331 days" means. Also I think the picture isn't of her at that age, so it's a bit misleading. But as long as the pic isn't used it's no worries. Probably a pic of her competing would be more appropriate anyway. ChildofMidnight (talk) 07:57, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Article date, length and hook look good. Image also checks out. Dabomb87 (talk) 17:03, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Isaac Toussie

Template:DYKsuggestion at 22:45, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

This one is timely. Politzer where are you? Get to work! ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:05, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Currently has a {{notability}} tag. Sandstein 17:40, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

I am not sure about notability (although the case does have a WP:BLP1E and WP:NOT#NEWS feel to it and the entry cannot be approved for DYK with a notability tag still in it), but I think this entry is unsuitable for DYK on other grounds. One of the official DYK rules says "Articles and hooks which focus on negative aspects of living individuals should be avoided." This article (and the hook) focuses almost entirely on the negative aspects associated with the subject, namely his fraud conviction and the pardon controversy. Given that almost all the coverage available is about that, it is hard to imagine this article being reconfigured into something more balanced, so I do not think this entry is or can be made suitable for DYK. Perhaps WP:ITN is a better place for it, but I don't think we can use it here at DYK. Nsk92 (talk) 18:20, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Johannes Scherg

Template:DYKsuggestion at 17:09, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

ALT 1: ... that Johannes Scherg was awarded the Knight's Cross in October 1943 for his command of the 1st Company, 4th SS Panzer Reconnaissance Battalion during fights in Greece and Romania in World War II? - Mgm| 14:55, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Article length, date, and hooks' length check out, but what make either of the two sources used reliable? In addition, the sources should have last access dates and publishers in their citations. Dabomb87 (talk) 16:53, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Gordon Wood (rugby player)

... that rugby union players Keith Wood and his father Gordon both played for four of the same teams – Garryowen, Munster, Ireland and the British Lions (top level teams in their sport)? Djln--Djln (talk) 01:21, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Bold the name of the article in the hook! my name inc 03:35, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

I bolded it for him, but the article is only expanded about threefold, not fivefold. Please see #Instructions. Art LaPella (talk) 04:12, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

ALT1: ... that rugby union players Gordon Wood and his son Keith both played for four of the same teams – (rearranged to emphasize the hook article) - Dravecky (talk) 08:15, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

François Charles Archile Jeanneret

Template:DYKsuggestion at 21:14, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Operation Pleshet

Template:DYKsuggestion at 21:11, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Length and date good, but I'm not sure that this is the hook (which is properly referenced, I should add) is the one I would go for on this article. I would have preferred a hook about the operation itself, something like:

ALT1: Operation Pleshet was an Israeli military operation during the 1948 Arab–Israeli War to capture Isdud and stop the Egyptian advance northwards?

If it's important that the fighter planes are drawn into the hook, then I would emphasise the fact that this DYK is about the military action by wording it thus:

ALT2: ... that the prelude to Operation Pleshet saw Israel use its first ever fighter plane, the Avia S-199 (pictured)? — BillC 23:46, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

I think one of the most important things about DYK is that the hook must be unique and interesting, and the fact that Operation Pleshet was an Israeli operation to capture Isdud is (IMO) neither. Feel free to use Alt2. The picture is also not the most important part of the hook, so if there is a style problem with having the word in the middle of the hook like that, feel free to ignore the picture. Thanks, Ynhockey 01:06, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. They were of course stylistic comments, so:

verified, offline hook accepted IGF. — BillC 01:17, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. On a side note, the hook is sourced to an online source (I specifically included it). It's in the book ref in 'bibliography' (due to Harward-style refs). -- Ynhockey 12:08, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Joseph Dennie

Template:DYKsuggestion at 20:58, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

(alternate hook) ... that Timothy Dwight IV referred to Joseph Dennie as "the Addison of America" and "the father of American belles-lettres"? faithless () 21:30, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
(alternate hook) ... that Joseph Dennie was one of the foremost men of letters in the United States during the Federalist Era? faithless () 07:25, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

futureU

Template:DYKsuggestion at 19:12, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

East Ghor Main Canal

Template:DYKsuggestion at 15:39, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Southworth House

Template:DYKsuggestion at 15:16, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

WP:COMMA refers to the Comma article, whose "In geographical names" paragraph prescribes a comma after "Ohio" (which I have already added once). In the past, that guideline has been more popular at WP:ERRORS than on this page. Art LaPella (talk) 05:29, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

So that's how the comma got there? I removed it because I thought it was a typo that I had made. Well, if that's the accepted pattern, no complaints; I've restored it. Thanks for explaining. Nyttend (talk) 21:11, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

That comma looks ridiculous. Can we immediately reach consensus that random commas that serve no purpose aren't a good idea and revise the guideline? ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:42, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

I would love it if we can reach a consensus, any consensus, at WP:COMMA or Talk:Comma, or even that this particular sentence is an exception. Just tell me what the rule is, so I can apply it. At the moment, the best indication of a consensus is that WP:COMMA is in the Manual of Style. may also be helpful. Art LaPella (talk) 06:01, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

ALT: ... that the Southworth House has been a retirement home, a fraternity house, and an office building in Cleveland, Ohio? --74.13.128.83 (talk) 14:37, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

I don't like the comma either. I prefer the alternate hook to get rid of the comma :-) Nyttend (talk) 15:13, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Orbiliaceae

Template:DYKsuggestion at 06:15, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

ALT: ... that some members of the fungal family Orbiliaceae can lasso nematodes using outgrowths of their hyphae? Sasata (talk) 16:08, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

The ALT is great. I don't even think lasso needs to be in quotes. Isn't that exactly what lasso means? I have to go read the article to find out more... good job! ChildofMidnight (talk) 08:55, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Upon inspection I notice the lasso claim is uncited and seems a bit of a stretch (it's perhaps not exactly a lasso action). I think a cited bit supporting a carniverous fungi DYK hook would be just fine. ChildofMidnight (talk) 09:08, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

I've added another (online) citation (+ link to PDF of article) for the lasso action, and removed quotes from hook. Sasata (talk) 17:45, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

The citation does use the word lasso to describe the ring swelling action that traps prey (one of five methods) these nifty fungi use. It doesn't meet my definition of a lasso action (where's the throw?) but if you don't think carniverous fungi is exciting enough, I can live with it. :) Also, the introduction should be expanded to reflect teh article contents. It's kind of short.ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:55, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

I've added another sentence so the lead section should be proportional to the length of the article. BTW, I did think the original hook was exciting enough, I added the ALT to satisfy another DYK editor who didn't think it was :) Cheers Sasata (talk) 17:26, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Cradle of Rome

Template:DYKsuggestion at 04:48, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Verified. Ref 1 checks out, mentioning the fact in the second paragraph in the review. — RyanCross (talk) 07:38, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Needs citation after hook fact.- Dravecky (talk) 03:36, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

It's unnecessary per WP:FN since the reference is already at the end of the paragraph, but anyways, I copied it over. Gary King (talk) 03:43, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. By the way, Misplaced Pages:Did you know#Selection criteria "3. Cited hook" applies only to Did You Know hooks, in addition to WP:FN. Art LaPella (talk) 04:24, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Alright, thanks for pointing that out to me. I will remember that from now on. Gary King (talk) 04:30, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Terrence Oglesby

Template:DYKsuggestion at 04:09, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

ALT1: ... that Terrence Oglesby, a United States citizen, was the leading scorer for Norway's basketball team in the FIBA Europe Under-20 Championship? Dabomb87 (talk) 04:18, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Length, reference and history verified. ALT1 is better; let's use it. Daniel Case (talk) 07:30, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

April Fool's candidate? Punkmorten (talk) 15:54, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Tsarist autocracy

Template:DYKsuggestion at 13:54, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

The second hook is better: you cannot use a guesswork as a hook in "DYK": it must be a fact. `'Míkka >t 20:36, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
Biased article, lot's of WP:SYN.DonaldDuck (talk) 10:39, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Please explain your grievances on talk first. Majority of content is well referenced (and your recent additions are unreferenced, and removals, unexplained...). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 12:11, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

It would be better to use: ... that one of Russia's most famous writers, Fyodor Dostoyevsky, was a proponent of the Russian autocracy? --Admiral Norton 17:36, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
- Sounds good to me. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 20:15, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
  - I've fixed the link to Fyodor Dostoyevsky and the double redirect at Russian autocracy. Olaf Davis | Talk 09:40, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Bernard McMahon

Template:DYKsuggestion at 16:59, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

The source doesn't make it quite clear to me that Jefferson was responsible. It says McMahon was entrusted with the seeds, and then "Jefferson insisted that these new discoveries were the property of the expedition and of the federal government, so McMahon was forced, perhaps rightfully so, to grow these novelties under restriction in a quarantine-like situation." But this seems compatible with the reading that once he'd been given the seeds, Jefferson set the quarantine requirement on him. It's possible I've missed something from another part of the source, though. Olaf Davis | Talk 09:52, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

I had thought "Beginning in 1806 McMahon was trusted with seeds and plants collected from the Lewis and Clark expedition" would be direct enough: I've added a second Monticello reference that also contains the statement. If the source didn't quite make it clear, perhaps the link wasn't clicked on; footnote text highlighted in purple can be clicked on to read on-line text, which is an intrinsic part of the footnote. --Wetman (talk) 14:37, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

I did go to the link and the sentence you quote is clear - the only problem is the latter doesn't mention Jefferson. Could you point out where it says that it was Jefferson who was responsible for assigning McMahon the duty, please? (It's possible I'm missing it because I'm tired - I will go to sleep soon and come back to this next year!) Olaf Davis (talk) 23:44, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Hasta la vista, baby (film)

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Only a 1.74x expansion. You also didn't define the hook. Admiral Norton 11:34, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Also, it's a 357 character hook. Art LaPella (talk) 04:24, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Rudolf Wolters

Template:DYKsuggestion at 14:17, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Length, reference (yes, in German) and history verified. Daniel Case (talk) 07:33, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Howard K. Smith: News and Comment

Template:DYKsuggestion at 21:01, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Suggest adding ", as it proved, " before premature.--Wehwalt (talk) 20:41, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Zaprešić

Template:DYKsuggestion at 16:58, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

~~... that Zaprešić is the densest city in Zagreb County, Croatia?~~

... that Zaprešić is the most densely populated city in Zagreb County, Croatia?

... that although Zaprešić lies on three rivers, the town does not have a port?
... that the golf resort in Zaprešić has only three holes?
... that there are six castles in the small Croatian town of Zaprešić?

Hook1 verified with Croatian language ref accepted AGF. Other facts do not have incline cites, so we'll have to use that one. Chamal 06:16, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 25

Hendrik Wagenvoort

Template:DYKsuggestion at 18:31, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Direct link to the reference Pax:Vobiscum (talk) 18:35, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Length, date, and verification a-ok. However, I don't feel the hook would be interesting to many people who don't know how much of an accomplishment 38 doctoral dissertations is. How about:

ALT1: ... that classical scholar Hendrik Wagenvoort directed 38 doctoral dissertations during his career, an unusually high number in the field of classical studies? Terrakyte (talk) 04:40, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 24

Pennsylvania Route 237

Template:DYKsuggestion at 00:26, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

If this is unusual (and it might arguably be), we need to find a way to explain why. Daniel Case (talk) 21:39, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Reworded.Mitch32 22:06, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Youngstown and Southeastern Railroad

Template:DYKsuggestion at 13:12, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Nearly ready: length and creation history verified. Just need an inline cite for "Ohio's last interurban". Alternatively, it could be left out of the hook. Second part of hook verified AGF. Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 20:51, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
- is the cite in the body for it being Ohio's last interurban. --NE2 21:23, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

OK, thanks. Ideally another footnote (i.e. ref ) should be placed immediately after that sentence in the body, because at the moment ref is the closest one to it, but this is essentially ready to go. Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 23:30, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Good point, and done. --NE2 23:42, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks; now ready to feature. Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 13:06, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Glengoyne Distillery

Template:DYKsuggestion at 06:36, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

ALT1: ... that Glengoyne Distillery is the only Highland single malt Scotch whisky to be distilled in the Highlands and matured in the Lowlands due to the distillery sitting upon the Highland Line? Cabe6403 06:36, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Sadly it's only a two-fold expansion counting characters of prose (i.e. not the table of whiskey types) which is what DYK goes by. A shame because that's a great hook. Olaf Davis | Talk 09:28, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Dirty Epics

... that the Irish Independent praised the "scattergun screech" of Dirty Epics vocalist Sarah Jane Wai O'Flynn? (new article, self-nom) --➨♀♂Candlewicke _S_# :) 20:17, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

The article doesn't say what the Irish Independent's opinion of the band was. The reference and the hook does – I think the article just needs to be tweaked a little. --Bruce1ee 13:09, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Coat of arms of Singapore

Template:DYKsuggestion at 02:24, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Length and date are OK, and the article is interesting, but I strongly recommend writing another hook. The current hook is incomprehensible (and hence uninteresting) to me as a layperson because I don't know what the Darjah Utama Temasek and the Sijil Kemuliaan are, or what an "achievement" of a coat of arms is (presumably heraldic jargon?). Also, the verb "uses" is in the singular despite having two subjects; it should be in the plural ("use"). Maybe the following would work?

"... that the Singapore coat of arms is reproduced in full on two national awards, the Darjah Utama Temasek and Sijil Kemuliaan?"

But that doesn't sound like a very interesting fact, either. (And the article would have to be adopted accordingly.) Sandstein 20:17, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

What would you suggest? What stands out in your mind? User:Zscout370 21:39, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Maybe: "... that only the government of Singapore is allowed to use the coat of arms of Singapore (pictured)?" That would need an inline citation in the article. Sandstein 17:06, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

I Love Katamari

Template:DYKsuggestion at 03:46, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Sounds a bit like an ad to me, and I can't seem to find where this statement is explictly made and cited in the article. Daniel Case (talk) 04:58, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

ALT1: ... that the ball in the video game I Love Katamari can be rolled by tilting the iPhone/iPod Touch in the direction the player wants the ball to go? MuZemike (talk) 00:27, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Based on Apple's advertising, that's how practically all of the games on these models are controlled. It's about as remarkable as "this Atari 2600 game uses a joystick controller" and as much as I'd like to promote this it needs a better hook. - Dravecky (talk) 18:37, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 23

Prussian G 8

Template:DYKsuggestion at 21:31, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

This article has no inline citations; in fact, there is not even a general reference, only an external link to a forum. I'm sorry, but this article is not eligible for DYK in its current state. Dabomb87 (talk) 14:35, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Oops, I had forgotten to add <references/>, and that the story of the return from Turkey is covered in a book that was already listed at the museum's article, titled (in German): "Return from the Orient: the adventurous journey of a Prussian steam locomotive". I hope that is sufficient. :-) -- Matthead Discuß 15:54, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Much better. But I am concerned about the reliability of some of your web sources, namely http://www.trainsofturkey.com/w/pmwiki.php/Steam/44001, a wiki, and http://www.weiltalbahn.de/Lokfotos/G8_4981_Mainz/g8_4981_mainz.html, which looks to be somebody's personal website (I used Google Translator to view the site in rough English). Any reference that you cite should be listed on this article. Dabomb87 (talk) 18:07, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Golf House

Template:DYKsuggestion at 22:34, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

No ref for the 1925 price. If it's the NYT article before that sentence I cannot access so will leave it for someone who can. --➨♀♂Candlewicke _S_# :) 16:58, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

I've tried to find a non-fee source with no luck. It would be my pleasure to send you a .pdf of the article from The Times. Alansohn (talk) 04:25, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

The sentence stating that the house was bought for around $3 million needs to be cited. If the source itself can't be accessed by the web, then an off-line reference will be ok. Terrakyte (talk) 16:05, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Pennsylvania Route 368

Template:DYKsuggestion at 20:37, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Your reference for the 1928 creation is a 1928 map, which only means it was assigned by 1928. Similarly, we know that the new alignment is shown as complete on a 1935 map, which means it was complete by then if PennDOH didn't jump the gun. But its non-presence on the 1934 map means that, if PennDOH never forgot to add a minor realignment, it was opened in either 1934 or 1935. Also, unless the 1934 and 1935 maps are more detailed than the 1930 map, there's no basis for assuming that it used Perryville Road. Finally, this is not interesting. Roads are realigned all the time, and there's no evidence here that this was anything but a normal realignment, built about eight years after the route was designated (and some more years after the road was first added to the state highway system as LR 311). --NE2 21:04, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
Its a bad wording. I guess I am an idiot at this too. I mean construction and paving, not realignments.Mitch32 21:09, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
It's still extremely common for a route, in the early days of state highway systems, to have not been paved when it was first designated. Maybe you could say something about how it no longer meets its "parent" (better term for that?) due to a truncation that eliminated an overlap? --NE2 21:53, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
Little more boring, but fine.Mitch32 14:38, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

ALT: ... that the original alignment of Pennsylvania Route 368 is now a piece of Pennsylvania Route 58?Mitch32 00:04, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Can you draw up a hook that would probably be more interesting to a wider audience than the current ALT hook? Terrakyte (talk) 15:55, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Randy Boone

Template:DYKsuggestion at 13:57, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Article length and date check out, as does hook length. This fact needs an inline citation in the article immediately after the sentence. Dabomb87 (talk) 17:27, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Citation was added with the sentence about the two 90-minute westerns as requested. The citation that was there was for the whole first paragraph, not just the particular sentence.Billy Hathorn (talk) 01:39, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

OK the info about the westerns has been verified with the assumption of good faith, as it is an offline source. However, the information about Randy Boone's relations to Daniel Boone is sourced to a site with very questionable reliability, http://www.hollywoodteenmovies.com/PAT%20BOONE.html. I would find something a bit more reliable. If not, then you should probably remove the info from the hook; that would work, although the hook would not be as interesting. Dabomb87 (talk) 02:49, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
BTW, it is critical that you find a better source for the Daniel Boone relation information, as it is WP:BLP material. If we cannot find a good source, then we have to remove the info, from the hook and the article. Dabomb87 (talk) 02:54, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

It's a Man's World (TV series)

Template:DYKsuggestion at 21:41, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Hook needs rewriting for NPOV and uncited language ("restless youth", "considerable viewer protests). I can't find the fact about nineteen episodes in the article. I am also concerned about the article's reliance on imbd.com, whose reliability is at best marginal. Dabomb87 (talk) 17:42, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

The viewer protests, restlessness, idealism, and iconoclasm allcome the New York Times reference. The list of 19 episodes is available from imdb.com, as noted in the first phrase of the article. Billy Hathorn (talk) 01:55, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

imbd.com is at best a marginally reliable source, but I will leave that for another time. We need an inline citation immediately after the sentence(s) that provide the material for the hook. Dabomb87 (talk) 02:43, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 22

Zimbabwe and the Commonwealth of Nations

Template:DYKsuggestion at 19:47, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

I don't find that point completely addressed in the article, and it seems a bit misleading.--Wehwalt (talk) 02:10, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Not that it matters now, but it is in twice (now three times as I've made it more explicit). I don't see how it is misleading. Bastin 17:00, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Given the evolving nature of the Commonwealth, the fact that Southern Rhodesia premiers were invited to conferences on an equal footing as other prime ministers, and the fact that the hook seems to be based on a comment by the tourism minister that got shot down by Sir Robert Menzies, I would say it was an oversimplification.--Wehwalt (talk) 17:10, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Maurice Kouandété

Template:DYKsuggestion at 22:40, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

The country was not known as Benin (but Dahomey) when Maurice was in charge. Did he take the title "President"? The wikipage List of heads of state of Benin didn't say so.

(alt.hook)... that cousins Maurice Kouandété and Mathieu Kérékou were both former heads of state of the country currently known as Benin?--PFHLai (talk) 13:37, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

The first hook's assertion that Kouandété was president is not inline-cited in the article. As for the second hook, the words "head of state" are not even in the article. Sandstein 08:54, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Click on "heads of state" in the hook, and you'll find Kouandété there. How Kouandété's wikibio is fixed is up to Editorofthewiki. --PFHLai (talk) 14:12, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

I guess I was a bit vague about that part. Will add. ~EDDY ~ 21:03, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 21

Ukrainian National Democratic Alliance

Template:DYKsuggestion at 15:58, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

What sentences in the article would support this statement? And frankly, I'm more comfortable with it being given as a quote because it's a very subjective statement otherwise ... who called them a voice of moderation (I didn't find that last word in the article, at least not using my browser's "find" function)? Or what was moderate about them compared to, say, other Ukrainian political parties of the era? Daniel Case (talk) 06:04, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

They were certainly a moderate party when compared, as they are in the article, to the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 12:38, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

I think it's a good summary of the party. For example, "UNDO supported constitutional democracy and the "organic development" of Ukrainian society that would prepare it for independence once the opportunity arose" and "UNDO was essentially democratic in nature, guided by varying amounts of Catholic, liberal, and socialist ideology." The alternative in western Ukraine was the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists.Faustian (talk) 16:14, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 20

Jussi Halla-aho

Template:DYKsuggestion at 22:51, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Do you mean the fifth most popular subject? You might want quote marks on the guy's name. --74.13.128.83 (talk) 17:43, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Comment. I don't understand the need for quote marks on a name? --➨♀♂Candlewicke _S_# :) 08:28, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Because the Google search wasn't the person Jussi Halla-aho, it was the words "Jussi Halla-aho". The Use-mention distinction article prescribes italics or quotes. Art LaPella (talk) 23:58, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Ah yes, now I see how it is phrased. --➨♀♂Candlewicke _S_# :) 00:14, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, Art. --74.13.128.83 (talk) 14:48, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

How about this alt hook then? Mifter (talk) 16:56, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

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~~for alternative hook~~. I have re-worded the alternative hook, to reflect the fact that the announcement happened a couple of months ago, and Halla-aho could have lost his status as the fifth most popular since then. Date, length, and verification all good. Terrakyte (talk) 14:25, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

My Finnish is bad but the Google translation shows that this is actually the fifth most searched for Finnish person excluding music personalities. This is not what the hook or article says but it is what the reference states. Also, the whole article is awkwardly phrased and still contains spelling errors. This needs some work before promotion. - Dravecky (talk) 02:27, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

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Canadian sovereignty

Template:DYKsuggestion at 17:49, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

The article is very good and meets all our standards (the only minor thing it needs is work on the lead-in, which I mentioned at the talk page). But this hook seems a little dry. Are there any crazy little facts or anything that you could suggest as an alternate hook? —Politizer /_contribs 23:22, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

It's not the most exciting subject ever. How about:
ALT1: ... that the sovereignty of Canada has become an increasingly relevant issue in recent years as Arctic ice in Northern Canada has melted?

or something along those lines. I never was great at grammar. Oh, and I'm working on the intro right now. Bsimmons666 (talk) 17:00, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

I think the new ALT is fine, and the lead-in section looks great now! Thanks, —Politizer /_contribs 06:40, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

I verified this a moment ago, but I just realized we will have to check it a little more closely...since it was originally made mostly by combining other articles, I think we'll have to see how much of it really is "new" content. I'll try to take a look sometime soon, but if any other reviewers are reading this it would also help to have a second opinion, as always. —Politizer /_contribs 06:43, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

I believe we have come to a solutionhere. I am implementing it now. Bsimmons666 (talk) 22:08, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
See Talk:Canadian sovereignty. I think it's done. Bsimmons666 (talk) 15:35, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

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Flag of Okinawa Prefecture

... that the white ring on the flag of Okinawa Prefecture (pictured) represents the "O" in "Okinawa"?
... that Emirati princess Mahra Al Maktoum invoked the triple talaq to divorce her husband, which is traditionally done only by the husband?
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... that in Greek mythology, Achilles promised to marry Pisidice if she would help him conquer her homeland, but afterwards he had her executed for treason?
... that blogger Charles LeBlanc interviewed a man who carried out a mass shooting the following year?
... that for cultural reasons the jijin was permitted to be worn by Catholic priests in China even while celebrating Mass?
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... that a specimen of Aquilegia daingolica was collected in 1909, but it was only described as a new species in 2013?
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... that the principal songwriter of a song on Always Happy to Explode asked listeners to "love it for me, for I cannot"?
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