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Huizenga-Ross percentage

Do you know what the percentage of ownership of the Dolphins is, cause some IP said it's 95 for Ross and 5 Huizenga which I doubt since it's an IP.--Iamawesome800 Talk to Me 22:33, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

No, that's right: . Pats1 /C 23:19, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Wow, Huizenga really getting rid of a lot of the team there.--Iamawesome800 Talk to Me 23:51, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Yeah he even blamed Obama for doing it now. Hahaha.►Chris Nelson 00:04, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Nice :-)--Iamawesome800 Talk to Me 00:28, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

College player infobox

Can you add the colors for the Central Washington Wildcats and San Jose State Spartans.--Yankees10 00:58, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Done.►Chris Nelson 01:25, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks--Yankees10 01:25, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Hey

Check this out, give me your feedback.--Iamawesome800 Talk to Me 01:26, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Haha a little early, don't you think? :-P ►Chris Nelson 01:28, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

I know but I had some free time (a lot of it), so figured I'd do at one tonight.--Iamawesome800 Talk to Me 01:31, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Well I'm not sure much feedback is needed. Just make it like the other templates and you'll be good to go.►Chris Nelson 01:35, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Robert Felton

Did Robert Felton ever play for the Packers cause that's what his bio says yet there are no sources saying this.--Iamawesome800 Talk to Me 20:29, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Not that I'm aware of.►Chris Nelson 23:47, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

For the record...

Wake is making minimum salary. It must be all incentives then. So we were both right. I guess. Pats1 /C 01:37, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

I know. You're an idiot.►Chris Nelson 01:59, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Executive session, AIM. Pats1 /C 02:09, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Undrafteds

Hey, you voted for being a starter, I agreed, as did Lowellian and Mastrchf. That was a unanimous decision behind that requirement. How is that not consensus? Then Mastrchf asked how many games, and argued for at least four. I thought that fine, and no else said different. So I took the time to verify that everyone had at least four games. Carpenter kicked every field goal for the Dolphins. The only outlier was MrShamrock who argued that none of the players should be included because the article was about drafted players, which you and I soundly rebuffed.--2008Olympian 08:13, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Well when I voted starter, I meant a regular starter, a guy that has earned a starting spot and keeps it for at least a season. For example, a large reason Wesley Woodyard started six games was because the Broncos' linebackers were decimated with injuries. For the most part, he's still just a special teamer and could easily (in fact, more likely) never be a starter in the league. As of now, I don't consider him a particularly notable college player.

Additionally, as good as Peyton Hillis was when he started for the Broncos at tailback, he only ended up starting due to multiple injuries at the position and likely will never be a long-term option at tailback. If he becomes a long-time starting fullback, I'd be fine with his inclusion. But as it stands, he's started a handful of NFL games and, like Woodyard, it was due to a number of injuries. I just don't consider that the same as earning a starting job and keeping it for an extended period of time.

Carpenter I will agree on though, since even though kickers don't "start" games he did hold the Dolphins' job for an entire season. And odds are he'll probably keep it beyond 2008. So there's certainly an argument for him and I wouldn't really contest his inclusion.

I don't mean to fight you on this, I just don't believe undrafted players are particularly notable just because they do these things that lots of undrafted guys do. It's impressive for an undrafted player to earn a starting job, make a Pro Bowl, etc. It's not impressive for an undrafted guy who is primarily a special teamer to start a few games because four guys ahead of him got hurt in a short span.

I didn't really watch the talk page closely so I didn't see all of the discussion and didn't put a ton of time into it. However, I'd be more than willing to continue discussing it there.►Chris Nelson 08:22, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Si, I want no battle, I have no dog in how this is decided, I am just trying to follow consensus as best as I could divine it. I think a "regular" starter is what Mastrchf wanted as well. Actually, I think that of all of the undrafted free agents who played, to whittle it down to five players is pretty tight, considering we had twenty on the list at one point. Gary Guyton played a lot and didn't make it, nor did BenJarvus Green-Ellis, and he had over 100 yards one game.

As for those who have so far, Mike Tolbert was the starter most of the year and would have started more if he hadn't been hurt. Peyton Hillis was the only undrafted Diet Pepsi NFL Rookie of the Week this season and isn't he number one on the Broncos depth chart? And isn't Davone Bess a regular starter now? If you want to vote for more games started to be required, I would back you. We should bring the discussion to the main talk page, however, to modify the existing discussion.--2008Olympian 08:41, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Tolbert there could be an argument for as well, though I still don't think he's started enough to warrant inclusion at this point and I doubt he ever starts a ton with Jacob Hester around.

As for Bess, I think he could have a future as a slot receiver, but he didn't start until Camarillo got hurt. Don't think he's worthy yet.

And again, when it comes to guys like Green-Ellis and Hillis, they started, but primarily because of injuries. It took injuries to Maroney and Morris for Green-Ellis to start, and injuies to Selvin Young and Ryan Torain for Hillis to start. It's entirely up in the air whether either has a long-term career as a starter, and 10 years from now, if Green-Ellis never plays another down, will it really be notable that he had 200-something yards on a mediocre average as a rookie? I don't think so.

Like I said, I just think earning a starting job is the key thing here. If making a roster as an undrafted guy isn't notable (and I don't think it is) then neither is starting due to injury, because there really is no difference there. Any player on a roster would start eventually if enough guys went down.►Chris Nelson 08:49, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

And LaMont Jordan. All at the same time. ;) Pats1 /C 14:01, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Saskatchewan Roughriders roster

Hey what are you doing over there?--Iamawesome800 Talk to Me 00:14, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Just went out to dinner. Gonna finish it now.►Chris Nelson 02:26, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

He's in love with the CFL now. :D Pats1 /C 02:29, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Haha yeah. So random. I still don't fully understand how it all works yet. Guess I'll pick up on it.►Chris Nelson 02:29, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Well, you know me. I'm diehard NFL, inside and out. You know I'm not that big on college football. Pats1 /C 03:43, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Neither do, I, took me the whole day to realize that the italics were not rookies but instead imported players.--Iamawesome800 Talk to Me 02:36, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Well I'm not so much getting into CFL ball as I am just keeping up with the rosters so I have an idea who the players are if they ever come to the CFL. It'll help to know where to look for past team info if I have to create articles.►Chris Nelson 03:45, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

I put the free agents back because according to this it starts on February 16th.--Iamawesome800 Talk to Me 03:47, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

FWIW, NFL free agency doesn't start until after then and we already have the FAs up. Pats1 /C 21:16, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for your edits to the Riders' roster. However, you unceremoniously removed several players who were signed. The CFL's website does not do a very good job of tracking transactions, as such players who were signed to deals (such as Justin Beaver) during last season for this season will not appear. As well, the names for positions as listed are the names the Riders use and as such reflect what the team says each player plays. All rosters are listed with the players being listed by number, not alphabetically. The "practice squad" in the CFL is called the Developmental Squad. Suspended players are not automatically unsuspended at the end of the season, as such both Clovis and Cherniawski are still members of the Riders. Lastly, Luca Congi and Jamie Boreham are not punters and kickers, Congi is the placekicker and Boreham is the punter. The formatting is inconsequential to me, but please leave the editing of who is actually on the Riders to someone who follows the team. Shootmaster 44 (talk) 01:09, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Most of that is fine. I'm still learning. However, it seems some CFL team sites do call it the Practice Roster. One CFL player I know even called it that in 2008.

Also, it doesn't matter how rosters are listed anywhere else. We do it alphabetically here on all CFL and NFL rosters, and thus the Roughriders rosters should remain consistent.►Chris Nelson 01:16, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Actually, the CFL wikiproject decided that the roster are numerical. Ergo, they are consistent with the rest of the CFL unless the rest of the rosters have been played with also. As well, the change in the term was made by Commissioner Cohon when he took over, regardless of what the players call them, that is what the official name is Shootmaster 44 (talk) 01:25, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Well then we'll re-open the discussion. They shouldn't be listed differently as NFL rosters since it's the same template and basic format. All should be alphabetical or all numerical. Can you should me where the consensus was established?

The NFL is American Football and the CFL is Canadian Football, therein lies the difference. It appears no consensus was made, however if you look at the histories of all the templates prior to your edits, they were made numerically. The easiest way to resolve this issue is to make them sortable, akin to Template:Los Angeles Kings roster. If you can make the edits to this, then it suffices both rationale correct? Shootmaster 44 (talk) 01:41, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Also, it is not standard to list such specific positions. They change too often and there's really no reason to go there. There's no need to define what kind of defensive end a guy is or what side of the play a linebacker is on. OLB is sufficient for the roster. The official website has more details and we link that in the template.►Chris Nelson 01:27, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

In fact, in Canada we do not have OLB, it is not something that exists in Canadian football. Linebackers are always referred to as WIL (weak-side) and SAM (strong-side). You have to remember that there is a 12th man in Canadian football, so American naming conventions are not followed. Shootmaster 44 (talk) 01:41, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Actually, that's EXACTLY the same as NFL football. WILL and SAM, weakside and strongside, that's all from the NFL and every other level of gridiron football. And both are OUTSIDE linebackers. WILL and SAM are outside, MIKE/middle is inside.►Chris Nelson 01:43, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

What I meant is that no one actually refers to them as Outside Linebackers. You have WIL and SAM linebackers and that is how even some TV people refer to them. I'm simply going by official Riders material. It is how they are listed in the gameday programs and on their weekly depth chart during the season. Shouldn't an encyclopedic listing of players be as meticulous as possible? If notice the edits to the roster during the season, I do make the edits if someone moves from Right to Left Guard or whatever, so if someone is willing to do so why question it? Shootmaster 44 (talk) 02:04, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Well then at the most it should be SLB and WLB. No need for full words. Also, there's no need for RG or LG, RT or LT for offensive linemen, because we both know offensive tackles and guard are used in the CFL.►Chris Nelson 02:07, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Jake Long

A Pro Bowl alternate never plays in the game. Therefore, they are not a "Pro Bowler" for that year. Ted Gin was a Pro Bowl alternate in 07' as a kick returner. Nobody got injured, so he did not go to the game and remained a Pro Bowl alternate. Chad Pennington is the AFC's third alternate at QB. He will not be considered a "Pro Bowler".

Jake Long is a "Pro Bowler" and therefore a "Pro Bowl Selection." Now, he was not originally selected from the fans and other players for the initial team, though he would be considered an injury replacement Pro Bowl selection. He is not an alternate anymore. He was up until he was "selected" to fill Peters' slot.

If your thinking was correct you would see a lot of wiki player pages with the Pro Bowl awards split into two categories(alternate and selections). However, guys like Kerry Collins, Julian Peterson who just like Long this year replaced an injured player are considered "selections".

Again, a selection is a Pro Bowler, an alternate is not. Jake Long is a Pro Bowler, therefore a selection. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nublar7 (talk • contribs) 16:38, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

MLB 2K9

They're still convinced that MLB 2K9 will come out on 3/2, a Monday, instead of 3/3. JAF1970 (talk) 19:08, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

This happens with EVERY video game. People see shipping dates, the Mondays, and take them as release dates instead of Tuesdays. It's retarded.►Chris Nelson 19:28, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

ProFW

Was just updated through at least 1/19. The Amon Gordon to Philly is right (NFLPA still has him with the Titans), there's nothing on Miles back with the Giants, and nothing with George still on the Saints (and ProFW had George to MIA in the first place). So NFLPA still needs to be updated on all of those counts, all of which you were right on. ;) Pats1 /C 22:33, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

If you would just admit I'm always right, we can save ourselves a lot of time.►Chris Nelson 00:28, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

CFL Player Template

Just an FYI, when adding an info box to a CFL player's page, this is the template used:

I prefer the other one.►Chris Nelson 01:16, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Agreed.--Iamawesome800 Talk to Me 01:18, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

However, the consensus at the CFL wikiproject was to use the other one. So preference unfortunately has no bearing. Shootmaster 44 (talk) 01:21, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm still gonna add the other one.►Chris Nelson 01:22, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

I think I came up with a compromise see the CFL wikiproject talk page.--Iamawesome800 Talk to Me 03:04, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Welcome to WPCFL

and thanks for all your past work!

The Maple Leaf Award is hereby awarded to Chrisjnelson for contributions to Canadian football articles and structures. DoubleBlue (talk) 04:33, 27 January 2009 (UTC)