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<h2>Executive summary</h2> | |||
If this is the first time you've seen this page, you probably don't know what we mean by "neutral point of view." | |||
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A general purpose encyclopedia is a collection of synthesized knowledge presented from a neutral point of view. To whatever extent possible, encyclopedic writing should steer clear of taking any particular stance '''other than''' the stance of the neutral point of view. | |||
The neutral point of view attempts to present ideas and facts in such a fashion that both supporters and opponents can agree. Of course, 100% agreement is not possible; there are ideologues in the world who will not concede to any presentation other than a forceful statement of their own point of view. We can only seek a type of writing that is agreeable to essentially rational people who may differ on particular points. | |||
Some examples may help to drive home the point I am trying to make. | |||
Misplaced Pages has an important policy: roughly stated, you should write | |||
1. An encyclopedic article should not argue that corporations are criminals, even if the author believes it to be so. It should instead present the fact that ''some people'' believe it, and what their reasons are, and then as well it should present what the other side says. | |||
articles without bias, representing all views fairly. Misplaced Pages uses the | |||
2. An encyclopedia article should not argue that laissez-faire capitalism is the best social system. (I happen to believe this, by the way.) It should instead present the arguments of the advocates of that point of view, and the arguments of the people who disagree with that point of view. | |||
words "bias" and "neutral" in a special sense! This ''doesn't'' mean that | |||
Perhaps the easiest way to make your writing more encyclopedic, is to write about ''what people believe'', rather than ''what is so''. If this strikes you as somehow subjectivist or collectivist or imperialist, then ask me about it, because I think that you are just mistaken. What people believe is a matter of objective fact, and we can present ''that'' quite easily from the neutral point of view. --] | |||
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<h3>General Discussion</h3> | |||
it's possible to write an article from ''just one'' point of view, ''the'' | |||
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If you don't think a view is valid, i.e. you don't think any credible person holds that view, feel free to simply delete it, and demand that the person who added those words to the article prove to you that credible people hold that view. The burden of proof is always on the other person. This is known as "Taw's corollary to NPOV", and applies to any statement like "some people believe X". | |||
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neutral (unbiased, "objective") point of view. That's a common | |||
I find the above comment quite upsetting. Its position in the document causes others' statements to be easily misread and it is quite plainly an attempt to make a specific person look absurd. -- ] | |||
''misunderstanding'' of the Misplaced Pages policy. The Misplaced Pages policy is that | |||
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we should ''fairly represent'' all sides of a dispute, and not make an | |||
Of course, I agree. For more in the same vein, see : VI.A.ii. LACK OF BIAS. | |||
article state, imply, or insinuate that any one side is correct. It's | |||
It's important to realize that when we use the phrase "the neutral point of view," we don't mean ''a single'' view that is somehow intermediate among various competing views. That is, we aren't looking at views A, B, and C, and trying to write from some one "neutral point of view," D, that is intermediate between A, B, and C. Rather, we are trying to fairly represent A, B, and C, without asserting any one of them as being correct. Perhaps instead of saying "write from a neutral point of view," we should say, "write so that various competing views are ''all'' sympathetically represented (including their views ''about each other''), and no one (controversial) viewpoint is asserted in the article as definitely the correct one." But this is too long... --] | |||
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I'm uncomfortable with some articles making assumptions based on a USA/N American point of view. If possible I try to qualify information with stuff like "In America..." or something like that. Maybe whiney, but on the internet I don't think it should be assumed that the audience is American... -AD. (see ] for listings of western european desserts. Gonna qualify that one sooner or later.) | |||
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Hear, hear. --] | |||
crucial that we work ''together'' to make articles unbiased. It's one of | |||
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Some discussion betweem Mark and Larry moved to ]. But once some agreement is reached I'll post something back here. --] | |||
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One problem I have with Neutral Point of View, is where to do it. To go to the example of evolution and creation: The page on ] should certainly keep the neutral point of view, neither embracing nor rejecting creationism. But what about other pages where evolution is discussed? If we want to steer 'clear of any particular stance', my article on ] should also contain a statement that its relationship with other apes is 'believed by evolutionists' or such. But do we really want creationism cropping up in half of all articles on biology? | |||
the things that makes Misplaced Pages work so well. Writing unbiased text is an | |||
My own opinion is that this is going too far. Thus, I would like to change the requirements regarding neutral point of view to: | |||
art that requires practice. The following essay explains this policy in | |||
* Things that are regarded as true by the great majority of relevant mainstream scientists, may be stated as true. Things that are regarded as probably true by the great majority of relevant mainstream scientists, may be stated as 'believed to be true'. | |||
* In the cases mentioned above, alternative points of view need not be given, however if they are given, this should be done using the normal rules of neutral point of view. | |||
depth, and is the result of much discussion. We strongly encourage you to | |||
Does anyone have remarks on this? -- ] | |||
read and edit it. | |||
I agree that evolution is largely accepted, and I also think it is correct, but there is a lot to be said in criticism of the theory too. Why is it inappropriate to mention these criticisms in an article on ]? I think the answer is because the points address a larger issue. They should be on a page talking about that larger issue. On the other hand if some aspect of ] is specifically relevent to creationism then it can/should be mentioned. | |||
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<h3>Discussion: How should we deal with ]?</h3> | |||
I have one minor clarification that I would add: I don't think the practice of including other points of view implies that an article should treat them equally. In reporting things like ], for example, I think it is within the obligation of an encyclopedia to emphasize the lack of scientific basis for some beliefs, and to clearly state that belief in such things is not justified by apparent facts. | |||
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''Invariably, inclusion of different points of view or even different factual events may unbalance an encyclopedia entry.'' | |||
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A clear mention of lack of scientific basis ''without additional emphasis'' is adequate to place anomolous or pseudoscientific positions in context. Science is not the be-all and end-all of human inquiry, and its supposed infallibility has at times delayed recognition of valid observations or procedures because they were "unscientific." Medicine is famous for this. Chiropractic, herbal medicine, acupuncture, chelation therapy, etc. have all been quackery until science discovered why they worked. What remains unconfirmed by science deserves such a mention -- a reader should not be confused that physical confirmation has been demonstrated when it has not. But it is not necessary to exhibit antagonism for these ideas beyond that. | |||
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Every now and then a crackpot's speculation turns out to be right--that doesn't mean that we shouldn't call it speculation. Chiropractic, herbal medicine, accupuncture, and chelation are all still quackery in most cases, and we should not shirk from saying so, except in those few instances where they have been studied scientifically for specific things. Chelation to treat heavy-metal poisoning, for example, or drugs derived from certain herbs. "Science" as I use the term here is just methodical honesty. Once you have honestly and properly tested something and evaluated the results, you can say that it has some reasonable basis. But when something has been tested repeatedly and failed continued belief in that thing is not merely an "alternative" point of view--it's clearly wrong and dangerous. --] | |||
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You and I clearly differ on this. "Once you have honestly and properly tested something and evaluated the results, you can say that it has some reasonable basis." Those you call quacks and crackpots will aver that they have done just as you suggest. Granted, they may rely wholly on what they perceive as empirical "evidence," but most will not admit to a moment's dishonesty with regard to their researches, even to themselves. Neither, by the way, will most research scientists, even when they claim proofs which are later proven false. | |||
<i>Relying on testimonials is inherently willfully dishonest, because we have known about the placebo affect for years and have proven it beyond a shadow of any doubt. To continue to cling to testimonials after knowing about the placebo affect, and knowing that placebo-controlled studies of something have failed, is negligent. Yes, many traditional scientists also have egos and can deceive themselves. That's why real journals have peer review. What I'm saying here is that Misplaced Pages articles should act as peer review, and clearly identify such deception when we see it.</i> | |||
<h2>Introduction: the basic concept of neutrality and why Misplaced Pages must be | |||
You can claim something "has been repeatedly tested and failed" but should put that claim in context - ie, it "has been repeatedly tested" with available methods, which is not to say that available methods are infallible. A little humility goes a long way. It is the most valuable quality for an experimental scientist to possess, in my view. "We are SCIENCE and we declare that assertion to be PURE BUNK," holds no water with me. "I tested it with every method which seemed reasonable to me and I cannot verify your assertion" is honest and says all that needs to be said. | |||
unbiased</h2> | |||
So - in your articles you will openly declare things hokum and bunk. I will call them unverified. And we will be free to tinker with each other's articles. And in some future age, we will all know who was on the right side of which of today's contentious questions. | |||
<i>"Unverified" is fine if that's the case; other things have been tested and failed, and that's different. And article should point out such failures.</i> | |||
I will go ahead and beat this to death: Let's look at my re-treatment of ]. I said generally "numerologist believe..." and noted that independent verfication of these beliefs is lacking. I went a step further and mentioned what I see as a nearly insuperable fallacy in the belief in the validity of numerology as it applies to the names of things (unrelated numerlogic values in different languages for the same exact thing) and mentioned this as a question which remains unexplained. In my mind, that fallacy may be just about adequate to invalidate the entire field. Numerologists will differ. It is not my job to tell them they are full of it. Let reasonable people look at it objectively and draw their own conclusions. | |||
A key ] policy is that | |||
<i>I have no problem with that article. It's exactly what I'm talking about. What I'm warning against is the treatment of such "alternative" ideas on an equal basis with verified ones. That article clearly states the case that the belief is unfounded, and that's good.</i> | |||
articles should be "unbiased," or written from a "neutral point of view." | |||
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Ah, well - in that case, we are in agreement as to how to couch these things. Larry asserted early, and I think we all agreed, that "neutral" handling of unproven claims would uniformly include revelation of their lack of proven foundation. | |||
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I would like to add one subrule: | |||
We use these terms in a precise way that is different from the common | |||
:If following NeutralPointOfView would make *single* reader believe that some utter bullshit is as legitimate as other theories about the same subject, then forget about NeutralPointOfView for a moment. | |||
understanding. It's crucial to grasp what it means to be neutral (in this | |||
sense)--a careful reading of this page will help. | |||
The most obvious cases are all science vs. religious fanatism debates, | |||
like creationism vs. evolutionism, where the only point of presenting religious pov | |||
is for saying that there are people who believe that, not that it might be true. --] | |||
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I could not disagree more strongly. I'm sorry, but you are not the final arbiter of what is and is not utter bullshit. See ] for further debate about your view. --] | |||
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I've been getting a vaguely uneasy feeling about NeutralPointOfView, slowly over the last month or so. I starting to get the feeling that after the most energetic and best known editors and commentators go over something, it emerges with a slight bias towards a white, middle class, slightly right of centre, USA view of the world. The bias is not all that strong, and it's probably not deliberate, but it's definitely there. At its worst, we see this bias being presented as NeutralPointOfView rather than as a bias. | |||
:An example or two would help; without examples, what you say is very difficult to evaluate. I firmly believe that where bias can be spotted, it can be eliminated. This is not done by adjusting the standpoint of a ''single'' neutral point of view, but by making sure that various competing views are stated fairly. (Well, of course there's more to it than that.) | |||
:I am glad that we are not debating the desirability of writing from the neutral point of view, and instead that we're debating how well we're succeeding in fulfilling an ideal. --(indented comments by ]) | |||
Basically, to write without bias (from a neutral point of view) is to write | |||
Minority views on a subject that are popular in this population segment demand to get equal representation, even if the entire rest of the world thinks the particular view in question makes about as much sense as the flat earth theory. Non-USA authors who might not even know that there are educated people (in the USA, usually not elsewhere) with a particular view sometimes get strongly rebuked for not giving that view equal time. | |||
so that articles do not advocate any specific points of view; instead, the | |||
:I suspect a lot of the bias you detect is a function of the fact that a lot of people from the U.S. are writing here, which is understandable since such a large proportion of people online are from the U.S., and because the website is under management by Americans. Consequently, because the Americans are often not so familiar with European views on things--and, in my experience, vice-versa--European views sometimes are not represented well enough. I agree completely that this is a problem and that, where it occurs anyway (again, examples would be nice), it has a tendency to make the articles biased. Representing a minority view as it were ''as'' a majority view, ''simply by giving it more attention,'' is a kind of bias. I agree. | |||
different viewpoints in a controversy are ''all described fairly.'' This is | |||
:The solution is to find more Europeans and non-Americans to participate. It is very important to me, at least, that we make this a ''completely'' international project. That has been my vision with Nupedia from the beginning and it carries over here to Misplaced Pages, at least as far as I am concerned. This is one reason why we were quick to set up the ]s--and, regardless of how much participation those other wikis receive, I still think the English language Misplaced Pages should not be limited only to those topics and those viewpoints which characterize English speakers. | |||
a simplistic definition and we'll add nuance later. But for now, we can say | |||
Views that don't sit well with this population segment are subtlely discouraged (or not so subtlely if they are not worded carefully enough). This is even true where almost everyone who has studied the area agrees that the average educated but not expert in this area American has got it totally wrong. | |||
just that to write articles without bias is to try to ''describe'' debates | |||
:Again, this is a result of the fact that there are a lot of American Internet users online. A lot of Internet users generally, but especially Americans, are libertarian--what Europeans call "liberal" (Americans should call them that too, but nevermind). Hence, when leftist-biased or religion-based conservative-biased articles are spotted, they are summarily pounced upon. And ''they should be.'' Immediately. Why? Not because they are leftist or religious conservative views--but because ''they are biased.'' | |||
''rather than'' taking one definite stand. | |||
:In my experience here I have sometimes seen articles which I myself thought were far too much biased in a libertarian direction; I have tried to do my best to balance the views and remove the appearance that the article is actually advocating libertarian views. | |||
Ideas that are insulting in some way to the USA seem to get very hostile responses. | |||
:Well, should an encyclopedia have insults to nationalities? Or is this permitted only for the U.S.A.? Anti-Americanism is, frankly, rife all over the world. As an American who has travelled to many foreign lands and lived for months in two of them, I can tell you that very many of these biases are based on idiotic misconceptions--just as many prejudices, generally, are. If anything, anti-Americanism has been getting worse in recent years. As long as I'm here, I'm going to speak out loudly against all sorts of prejudice--even prejudice against Americans. I hope you can live with that. It simply won't be tolerated. | |||
Why should Misplaced Pages be unbiased? | |||
Unfortunately there are a lot of ideas that are insulting to the USA that might be true, or at least have a little bit of supporting evidence and are important enough to be at mentioned in an encyclopedia. I guess non-USA authors should figure out how to present these things more diplomatically, and USA authors should cool off a bit and consider them rationally. | |||
:I agree with this analysis. I think it's important to find a way to report important facts, including facts that are very embarrassing to various nationalities and races, without seeming to insult persons of those nationalities and races. This is difficult, but I am confident that it can be done. | |||
I think the non-USA wikipedia authors are reluctant to put their views on things as strongly as some of the most visible USA authors (although occasionally we do see this happen). Certainly after being "corrected", hardly any non-USA author will go in and start an editing war in the article. They might complain a little in Talk. | |||
Misplaced Pages is a general encyclopedia, which means it is a representation of | |||
:Examples, again, would help: what articles have you, for example, felt uncomfortable editing? | |||
human knowledge at some level of generality. But we (humans) disagree about | |||
:I think there's definitely something wrong with a situation where someone feels uncomfortable adding information to Misplaced Pages. If, at present, there are more American libertarians than European leftists on board--''for example'' :-) --then it's predictable enough that the European leftists will feel "under the gun" when adding information that the American libertarians might immediately spot as biased. In this situation, I think it wouldn't do much good to try to blame the libertarians for acting poorly. We shouldn't ''discourage'' people from removing bias. It would be better to encourage the leftists to say (repeatedly, if necessary): "Look, there is a ''perfectly legitimate,'' common leftist point of view that is omitted from this article. For the article to give all relevant information about this subject, this view needs to be stated clearly and sympathetically. I'm going to try to put it into the article in a way that seems fair to me. I can understand if it is edited so that it does not appear to be a view that is ''asserted'' by the article, or ''presented as true.'' But as long as it ''is'' clear that it's just one view about the subject, then please, please, don't try to remove the ''force'' of the arguments presented. That really wouldn't be fair." | |||
specific cases; for any topic on which there are competing views, each view | |||
:Feel free to quote the above as much as you need to. :-) It's a very legitimate sort of concern, I think. | |||
represents a different theory of what the truth is, and insofar as that view | |||
I don't think we have much deliberate propaganda production here, at least not among the more prolific contributors. It's more a matter of people from one place not realising people from another place honestly disagree, and often with some evidence on their side. This is made worse with people from the USA because most in the USA believe they have no censorship there and therefore anything they haven't heard of can't be true. I'm not sure if there really is censorship in the USA, but certainly, one way or another, there is a lot of really important stuff that is well known elsewhere, but fairly hard for ordinary people in the USA to find out about. | |||
contradicts other views, its adherents believe that the other views are | |||
:Examples would help. If anyone actually has removed honest disagreements supported with evidence from any articles, I would agree that that is a really serious problem. (I would not, however, make any facile, ignorant generalizations about "censorship" in the United States. That would be pointless. Let's just talk about the problem itself.) | |||
false, and therefore not ''knowledge''. Indeed, Misplaced Pages, there are many | |||
The rest of us know we have censorship, and are a bit more ready to believe that our governments and news media might have been lying to us about something important. | |||
opinionated people who often disagree with each other. Where there is | |||
:For the record, you would be surprised at the number of Americans who believe their government and news media lie and leave out important information every day. That's why talk radio and alternative news services online are popular here. However, I think most Americans deny that this is properly called ''censorship.'' I'd call it bad and biased reporting. --] (end of comments) | |||
disagreement about what is true, there's disagreement about what constitutes | |||
I guess what i'm getting at with all this, is, try not to get a "I'm neutral therefore i'm right and anyone who disagrees is a dishonest commie bastard" attitude going. | |||
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:I think you should point to concrete examples so that we can evalutate your claims ourselves. Right now, you paint a somewhat foggy picture of underlying bias which I do not find confirmed. | |||
knowledge. Misplaced Pages works because it's a collaborative effort; but, whilst | |||
:I agree with you that certain outsider positions are almost non-existant outside of the US (gun rights, creationism). These positions should still be mentioned, and it also needs to be pointed out that they are geographically limited. --AxelBoldt | |||
collaborating, how can we solve the problem of endless "edit wars" in which | |||
:I don't have any specific examples to point to either, but I've had the same feeling as the anonymous writer of the long entry above, without being able to pinpoint exactly what was wrong. Perhaps the paragraph in brackets on the ] page can work as an example. | |||
one person asserts that ''p,'' whereupon the next person changes the text so | |||
:The problem is that we need to find a ] that is neutral not just in the ], but internationally. US writers on Misplaced Pages are (or will be, soon) a minority. --] | |||
that it asserts that ''not-p''? | |||
Maybe you understand the following perfectly well--but it can't hurt to say it one more time. As far as we on Misplaced Pages are concerned, to speak of a lack of bias, or of neutral writing, is not to speak of ''a single viewpoint'' that is expressed in an article. The neutral point of view, as conceived by myself and Jimbo and many others, is not ''the'' view from nowhere. It is not "the truth," enunciated from "a neutral standpoint." In an encyclopedia at least, that's a silly fantasy and a total misunderstanding of what unbiased writing is like. Instead, where there is disagreement on a topic, one takes a step back to ''characterize the controversy''--rather than to as it were ''engage directly in'' the controversy by taking a position, or by trying to find some bogus "middle" position that is the official view of the encyclopedia. Therefore, the notion of a neutral point of view that is "neutral in the U.S." really makes no sense. (Maybe you realize this, though, and you're just accusing ''some Americans'' of having this misunderstanding.) | |||
I just want us all to be aware that we are not debating here about ''how'' Misplaced Pages is going to be biased. (Should we push it leftward or rightward or liberty-ward? That's the wrong question.) Our only official bias is that such a thing as a neutral point of view can exist. --] | |||
A solution is that we accept, for purposes of working on Misplaced Pages, that | |||
:On occasion I've posted something and then noticed in "Recent Changes" that someone else edited it "to remove North American" bias or somesuch. Personally, I enjoy this; I know I'm a ] citizen, I know I'm biased, but the only way I know what's a bias and what isn't is, sometimes, if someone calls me on it. That's a valuable part of Misplaced Pages, and not something I expected when I first tripped onto it. I agree that there's probably no such thing as a truly neutral POV; but it's good to learn where our biases are. --] | |||
"human knowledge" includes ''all different'' (significant, published) | |||
], those latter comments can be addressed to you. We aren't talking about writing from ''a'' POV. We are talking about how to fairly represent various competing points of view. That ideal is what we call (confusingly) "the neutral point of view." In yet other words, we aren't looking at views A, B, and C, and trying to write from some "neutral POV," D, that is intermediate between A, B, and C. Rather, we are trying to fairly represent A, B, and C, without asserting any one of them as being correct. This is what being unbiased ''means.'' --LMS | |||
theories on all different topics. So we're committed to the goal of | |||
:I think I understand that. The point I was trying, fumblingly perhaps, to make, is that sometimes we don't know what our biases are until we put them out there and someone points them out. Also, that if someone says "this is a bias", that's an opportunity for me to learn rather than to take offense. -- ] | |||
representing human knowledge in ''that'' sense. Something like this is | |||
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surely a well-established sense of the word "knowledge"; in this sense, what | |||
If I can continue the debate here, the trouble with the above is that the <i>range</i> of mainstream or even out-there viewpoints on certain issues differs from country to country, and the majority view certainly does. The problem you occasionally see on Misplaced Pages (and, again, I wish I had a good example to point to) is that the range of viewpoints in America is A, B, and C, and A being the predominant one and stated as such, whereas in, say, Australia, the range is viewpoints B, C, and D and C is the predominant one. To take an example, compare the parameters of the drugs debates in the US and in parts of Europe. So, even if you are careful to state all the viewpoints you are familiar with and give them credence and airtime approximately proportional to their support in the relevant communities (on political issues, the general populace, say) if you write from a US perspective you can easily come across as hopelessly biased to a non-US reader. | |||
is "known" has changes constantly with the passage of time, and when we use | |||
People writing from a non-US base are less afflicted with this problem because, they are far more likely to be exposed to foriegn perspectives on issues, but they may not get an accurate picture of true US opinion (the foriegn view of the US seems to be filtered through the prisms of New York and Los Angeles). | |||
the word "know" in the sense, we often use so-called scare quotes. In the | |||
I'm not trying to flame Americans here - some of my best friends are Americans :) But please be aware that even if you try to present all the perspectives on an issue you're familiar with from the NPOV, it still might not be neutral from the perspective of somebody across the pond. -- ] | |||
Middle Ages, we "knew" that the Earth was flat. We now "know" otherwise. | |||
The range problem is easy to fix, though, if someone aware of the other POVs comes across it - at least much easier to fix than an article structured around a particular view or with it insidiously ingrained into the language. Remember, this is a wiki; we should all strive to be as neutral as possible, but failures can still be corrected. --] | |||
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<b> Dealing with Americo-centricity</b> | |||
In reading articles, I have noticed a bias of several writers to presume the 'American' viewpoint is the only one. This was addressed earlier on contentious issues such as drug-control and anti-abortion, but it can turn up in the most innocuous of places. | |||
I would cite the series of articles on ]. The starting point of this group of articles is that there is ] and ] (ie, those variants which are not American). Oh really?? I suspect there are an awful lot of English linguisticians who would dispute this. Australian English is as etymologically distinct from British English as American English is, and Singlish (Singaporean English) is so unique as to be almost unrecognisable to anyone who first encounters it. Yet these have all been rolled together under one heading, solely on the basis that they are not American. | |||
We could sum up human knowledge (in this sense) in a biased way: we'd state | |||
A neutral point of view would contend that there is ] and within that language are several recognised variations, such as American, British, Australian, Afrikaaner, Canadian, Singlish, etc. The fact that American English dominates the IT industry is a fair and valid comment, and should be included. But to present 'American' and 'non-American' is extremely biased. | |||
a series of theories about topic T, and then claim that the truth about T is | |||
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The English language entries are currently the subject of much debate. See their ] pages. --rmhermen (9/27/01) | |||
such-and-such. But again, consider that Misplaced Pages is an international, | |||
And this was the view of an Englishman, namely myself. No American bias was intended and it is probably a good example of bias being perceived in article, possibly by projection. My work on those articles has been halted and so my plans to make references to Singlese and local reactions against it have been indefinitely delayed. -- Artistotle | |||
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collaborative project. Probably, as we grow, nearly every view on every | |||
'''Geographical Bias''' It is very easy to talk about an event occurring in the "Summer of 1981". But unfortunately that is not a meaningful phrase in a global resource (EG: In the southern hemisphere, Christmas is a summer holiday). Please use actual month names, or when context demands it phrase your statement as "public opinion changed over the (northern) summer of 1968." - ] | |||
subject will (eventually) be found among our authors and readership. To | |||
:I also think context is going to help quite often. E.g., if we're talking about Alaska, for instance, and I say that the Good Friday Earthquake in Anchorage happened in spring in 1964, nobody is going to misunderstand what I mean. :-) --] | |||
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Suggestion: Never delete info giving the reason "this is against Neutral point of view." If it is against NPOV, then something must be done, but deleting the info is not it. Alternatives include | |||
* Fix it so the info is still there, but couched in more neutral terms. This is the best thing if you know the topic well enough. | |||
* Leave a note inside the text suggesting someone fix it. | |||
* Leave a note in the corresponding /Talk page suggesting someone fix it. | |||
-- Geronimo Jones | |||
avoid endless edit wars, we can agree to present each of these views | |||
:Sorry, I'm going to have to disagree here. Whilst I don't delete stuff just for the hell of it, if something is just a statement of opinion which provides no useful information on the topic, I believe it should be removed. In this case, I shift the deleted text to the talk page so people can see why I've done so. --] | |||
fairly, and not make our articles assert any one of them as correct. And | |||
::Some of this discussion seems to be about the elimination of nonfactual adjectives. Here are some examples: | |||
that is what some people believe makes an article "unbiased" or "neutral." To write from a | |||
:::John wore a forest green sportcoat over a black shirt. He crossed the street. <br> | |||
:::John wore a most beautiful forest green sportcoat over a black shirt. He crossed the street at a rapid pace. (now we are into opinion and hence away from neutrality, according to this discussion, unless we qualify it as thus:<br> | |||
::: Some people might disagree thatJohn's coat as beautiful; others might dislike forest green and consider the coat ugly. For one's pace to qualify as "rapid," it must be measured against a standard. | |||
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neutral point of view, one presents controversial views without asserting | |||
"This metal beam weighs fifteen pounds." : No, it doesn't! It is fourteen pounds, thirteen ounces and part of an ounce. | |||
them; to do ''that,'' it generally suffices to present competing views in a | |||
This one is from real life: I insist that a certain flavor of PowerAde is "green" while several other people call it "yellow" and insist it isn't green. To me, it is certainly green. | |||
way that is more or less acceptable to their adherents, and also to | |||
Define "objective"! | |||
''attribute'' the views to their adherents. | |||
Am I now wearing a "kimono" or a "bathrobe"? | |||
At what second does "night" end? | |||
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To sum up the primary reason for this policy: Misplaced Pages is an encyclopedia, | |||
What do people think about saying "perspectivist" instead of "neutral"? By perspectivist I mean discussing perspectives or experience rather than some unobservable truth "beyond" these. The phrase "neutral point of view" seems both false and misleading to me, while "perspectivist point of view" seems closer to what most people mean by NPOV in this discussion. --] | |||
a compilation of human knowledge. But since Misplaced Pages is a community-built, | |||
international resource, we surely cannot expect our collaborators to agree | |||
in all cases, or even in many cases, on what constitutes human knowledge in | |||
a strict sense. We can, therefore, adopt the looser sense of "human | |||
knowledge" according to which a wide variety of conflicting theories | |||
constitute what we call "human knowledge." As a collective, we shall make an effort to | |||
present these conflicting theories fairly, without advocating any one of | |||
them. | |||
There is another reason to commit ourselves to a nonbias policy. Namely, | |||
when it is clear to readers that we do not expect them to adopt any | |||
particular opinion, this is conducive to our readers' feeling free to make | |||
up their own minds for themselves, and thus to encourage in them | |||
''intellectual independence''. So totalitarian governments and dogmatic | |||
institutions everywhere have reason to be opposed to Misplaced Pages, if we | |||
succeed in adhering to our nonbias policy: the presentation of many | |||
competing theories on a wide variety of subjects suggests that we, the | |||
creators of Misplaced Pages, trust readers' competence to form their own opinions | |||
themselves. Texts that present the merits of multiple viewpoints fairly, | |||
without demanding that the reader accept any one of them, are liberating. | |||
Neutrality subverts dogmatism. This is something that nearly everyone | |||
working on Misplaced Pages can agree is a good thing, though some working on Misplaced Pages | |||
may question whether such totalitarian opposition is entirely mythical, now | |||
and in the future. | |||
<h2>What is the neutral point of view? What do we mean by "unbiased" and | |||
"neutral"?</h2> | |||
The answer isn't obvious or entirely agreed upon. | |||
Essentially, a definition for "unbiased writing" is "presenting controversial views | |||
without asserting them." Unfortunately, not everyone agrees with this definition. So we | |||
offer the following clarifications with the hope that they will clear away | |||
the many possible different interpretations of what unbiased writing, or writing | |||
from a neutral point of view, amounts to. | |||
First, and most importantly, consider what it means to say that unbiased | |||
writing presents controversial views without asserting them. Unbiased | |||
writing does not ''present only'' the most popular view; it does not | |||
''assert'' the most popular view as being correct after presenting all | |||
views; it does not assert that some sort of intermediate view among the | |||
different views is the correct one (as if the intermediate view were "the | |||
neutral point of view"). Presenting all points of view says, more or less, that | |||
''p''-ists believe that ''p,'' and ''q''-ists believe that ''q,'' and that's | |||
where the debate stands at present. Ideally, presenting all points of view also gives a | |||
great deal of background on who believes that ''p'' and ''q'' and why, and | |||
which view is more popular (being careful, here, not to word the statement | |||
so as to imply that ''popularity'' implies ''correctness''). Detailed | |||
articles might also contain the mutual evaluations of the ''p''-ists and the | |||
''q''-ists, allowing each side to give its "best shot" at the other, but | |||
studiously refraining from saying who won the exchange. | |||
A point here bears elaboration. We said that the neutral point of view is | |||
not, contrary to the seeming implication of the phrase, some actual ''point | |||
of view'' on a controversial issue that is "neutral," or "intermediate," | |||
among the different positions. That represents a particular understanding of | |||
what "neutral point of view" means. The prevailing Misplaced Pages understanding is that the neutral point of | |||
view is not a ''point of view'' at all, because, under the "many points of view" doctrine, when one writes neutrally, | |||
one is very careful not to state (or imply or insinuate or carefully but | |||
subtly massage the reader into believing) that ''any particular view at | |||
all'' is correct. | |||
Another point bears elaboration as well. Writing unbiasedly can be | |||
conceived very well as ''representing'' disputes, ''characterizing'' them, | |||
rather than engaging in them. One can think of unbiased writing as the | |||
cold, fair, analytical description of debates. Of course, one might well | |||
doubt that this can be done at all without somehow subtly implying or | |||
insinuating that one position is correct. But experienced academics, | |||
polemical writers, and rhetoricians are well-attuned to bias, so that they | |||
can usually spot a description of a debate that tends to favor one side; not | |||
to say that they do not operate under certain hidden biases. | |||
Now an important qualification. No individual needs to give minority views ''as much'' | |||
or as detailed a description as more popular views, in articles comparing | |||
the views. We should not attempt to represent a dispute as if a view held | |||
by only a small minority of people deserved as much attention as a very | |||
popular view. That may be misleading as to the shape of the | |||
dispute. If we are to represent the dispute fairly, we may choose to, collectively, (in most if | |||
not all cases) present various competing views in proportion to their | |||
representation among experts on the subject, or among the concerned parties. | |||
None of this, however, is to say that minority views cannot receive as much | |||
attention as we can possibly give them on pages specifically devoted to | |||
those views. There is no size limit to Misplaced Pages. But even on such pages, though the content of a view is | |||
spelled out possibly in great detail, we still make sure that the view is | |||
not represented as ''the truth.'' | |||
Bias ''per se'' need not be conscious or particularly partisan. For | |||
example, beginners in a field often fail to realize that what sounds like | |||
uncontroversial common sense is actually biased in favor of one | |||
controversial view. (So we not infrequently need an expert in order to | |||
render the article entirely unbiased.) To take another example, writers | |||
can, without intending it, propagate "geographical" bias, by for example | |||
describing a dispute ''as it is conducted in the United States'' (or some | |||
other country) without stating so or knowing that the dispute is framed differently | |||
elsewhere. | |||
Objection: impossible to remove all bias. Indeed, it seems that if we can | |||
''detect'' bias, we can, if we are creative, ''remove'' it as well. | |||
<h2>Alternative formulation of the policy: assert facts, including facts | |||
about opinions--but don't assert opinions themselves</h2> | |||
We sometimes give an alternative formulation of the nonbias policy: assert | |||
facts, including facts about opinions--but don't assert opinions themselves. | |||
By "fact," on the one hand, we mean "a piece of information about which | |||
there is no serious dispute." In this sense, that a survey produced a | |||
certain published result is a fact. That the Mars is a planet is a fact. | |||
That 2+2=4 is a fact. That Socrates was a philosopher is a fact. No one | |||
seriously disputes any of these things. So Wikipedians can feel free to | |||
''assert'' as many of them as we can. By "opinion," on the other hand, we | |||
mean "a piece of information about which there is some serious dispute." | |||
There's bound to be ]s where we're not sure if we should | |||
take a particular dispute seriously; but there are many propositions that | |||
very clearly express opinions. That God exists is an opinion. That the | |||
Beatles were the greatest rock and roll group is an opinion. That | |||
intuitionistic logic is superior to ordinary logic is an opinion. That the | |||
United States was wrong to drop the atomic bomb over Hiroshima and Nagasaki | |||
is an opinion. | |||
For determining whether something is fact or opinion in this sense, it does | |||
not matter what the actual truth of the matter is; there can at least in | |||
theory be false "facts" (things that ''everybody'' agrees upon, but which | |||
are, in fact, false), and there are very often true "opinions," though | |||
necessarily, it seems, more false ones than true. | |||
Misplaced Pages is devoting to stating facts and only facts, in this sense. Where | |||
we might want to state opinions, we convert that opinion into a fact by | |||
''attributing'' the opinion to someone. So, rather than asserting, "God | |||
exists," which is an opinion, we can say, "Most Americans believe that God | |||
exists," which is a fact, or "Thomas Aquinas believed that God exists," | |||
which is also a fact. In the first instance we assert an opinion; in the | |||
second and third instances we convert that opinion into a fact by | |||
attributing it to someone. However, both of those facts are colored by what | |||
evidence supports those facts and the semantics behind both statements: the | |||
first is a statement gleaned from polls and is thus subject to the facts | |||
behind poll-taking; the second is gleaned from the writings of Aquinas, which | |||
are very different from polls. And the conception of God in the modern era | |||
is very different from that of the age of Aquinas. Fortunately, Misplaced Pages | |||
can have entries on God, Thomas Aquinas, polls, etc., to elucidate these points. | |||
But it's not ''enough,'' to express the Misplaced Pages nonbias policy, just to | |||
say that we should state facts and not opinions. When asserting a fact | |||
''about an opinion,'' it is important ''also'' to assert facts ''about | |||
competing opinions,'' and to do so without implying that any one of the | |||
opinions is correct. It's also generally important to give the facts about | |||
the reasons behind the views, and to make it clear who holds them. (It's | |||
often best to cite a prominent representative of the view.) | |||
<h2>Fairness and sympathetic tone</h2> | |||
If we're going to characterize disputes fairly, fairness demands we present | |||
competing views with a consistently positive, sympathetic tone. A fair | |||
number of articles end up as fairly partisan commentary ''even while'' | |||
presenting both points of view; this is wrong. Even when a topic is | |||
presented in terms of facts rather than opinion, an article can still | |||
radiate an implied stance through either selection of which facts to | |||
present, or more subtly their organization--for instance, refuting opposing | |||
views as one goes makes them look a lot worse than collecting them in an | |||
opinions-of-opponents section. | |||
We should, instead, write articles with the tone that ''all'' positions | |||
presented are at least plausible. Let's present all competing views | |||
sympathetically. We can write with the attitude that such-and-such is a | |||
good idea, except that, on the view of some detractors, the supporters of | |||
said view overlooked such-and-such a detail. If we can't do that, we will | |||
probably write stuff with so much contempt that subsequent edits are going | |||
to have a hard time doing anything but veiling it. | |||
<h2>Characterizing opinions of people's artistic and other work</h2> | |||
A special case is the expression of aesthetic opinions. Some Misplaced Pages | |||
articles about art, artists, and other creative topics (e.g., musicians, | |||
actors, books, video games, etc.) have tended toward the effusive. This is, | |||
we can agree, out of place in an encyclopedia; we might not all be able to | |||
agree that so-and-so is the greatest bass guitar player in history. But it | |||
is very important information indeed how some artist or some work has been | |||
received by the general public, by reviewers, or by some very prominent | |||
experts. Providing an overview of the common interpretations of a creative | |||
work, preferably with citations or references to notable individuals holding | |||
that interpretation, is appropriate. For instance, that Shakespeare is one | |||
of the greatest authors of the English language is an important bit of | |||
knowledge a schoolchild might need to learn from an encyclopedia. Notice, | |||
determining how some artist or work has been received publicly or critically | |||
might require research; but that reception, unlike the idiosyncratic opinion | |||
of the Misplaced Pages article writer, is an opinion that really matters, for | |||
purposes of an encyclopedia. | |||
<h2>A consequence: writing for the enemy</h2> | |||
Those who constantly attempt to advocate their own views on politically | |||
charged topics (for example), who seem not to care at all about whether | |||
other points of view are represented fairly, are violating the nonbias | |||
policy ("write unbiasedly"). This entails that it is our job to speak for | |||
the other side, and not just represent our own views. If we don't commit | |||
ourselves to doing that, Misplaced Pages will be much, much weaker for it. We | |||
should all be engaged in explaining each other's points of view as | |||
sympathetically as possible. | |||
In saying this, we are explicitly spelling out what might have been obvious | |||
to some people from an initial reading of the policy. If each of us | |||
''individually'' is permitted to write totally biased stuff in our Misplaced Pages | |||
contributions, then how is it possible that the policy is ever ''violated''? | |||
The policy ''says,'' "Go thou and write unbiasedly" (or something to that | |||
effect). If that ''doesn't'' entail that we should fairly represent views | |||
with which we disagree, then what ''does'' it mean? Maybe you think it | |||
means, "Represent your own view fairly, but if you must only ''grudgingly'' | |||
allow others to have a say, please allow them to do so." Maybe that makes a | |||
bit of sense as an interpretation--not a lot, but a bit. But consider, if | |||
we each take responsibility for ''the entire'' article when we hit that | |||
"save" button, then when we make a change to an article that represents | |||
''our own'' views but not contrary views, or represents contrary views | |||
unfairly or incompletely (etc.), surely we are adding bias to Misplaced Pages. | |||
And does it really ever make sense ''not'' to take responsibility for the | |||
entire article? Does it make sense to prise out sentences and say, "These | |||
are mine, those are yours"? Perhaps, but in the context of a project that | |||
is so strongly and explicitly committed to neutrality, that sort of attitude | |||
seems totally out of place! | |||
The other side might very well find your attempts to characterize their | |||
views substandard, but it's the thought that counts. In resolving disputes | |||
over neutrality issues, it's far better that we acknowledge that all sides | |||
must be presented fairly, and make at least a college try at presenting the | |||
other sides fairly. That will be appreciated much more than not trying at | |||
all. | |||
"Writing for the enemy" might make it seem as if we were adding | |||
''deliberately'' flawed arguments to Misplaced Pages, which would be a very | |||
strange thing to do. But it's better to view this (otherwise | |||
puzzling)behavior as adding the ''best'' (published) arguments of the | |||
opposition, preferably citing some prominent person who has actually made | |||
the argument in the form in which you present it, stating them as | |||
sympathetically as possible. Academics, e.g., philosophers, do this all the | |||
time. | |||
<h2>An example</h2> | |||
It might help to consider an example of a biased text and how Wikipedians | |||
have rendered it at least relatively unbiased. | |||
On the ] page, early in | |||
2001, some advocates had used the page to exchange rhetorical barbs, being | |||
unable to agree about what arguments should be on the page and how the | |||
competing positions should be represented. What was needed--and what was | |||
added--was an in-depth discussion of the different positions about the moral | |||
and legal viability of abortion at different times. This discussion of the | |||
positions was carefully crafted so as not to favor any one of the positions | |||
outlined. This made it rather easier to organize and understand the | |||
competing arguments surrounding the topic of abortion, which were each then | |||
presented sympathetically, each with its strengths and weaknesses. | |||
There are numerous other "success stories" of articles that began life as | |||
virtual partisan screeds but were nicely cleaned up by people who concerned | |||
themselves with representing all views clearly and sympathetically. | |||
<h2>Objections and clarifications</h2> | |||
What follows is a list of common objections, or questions, regarding | |||
Misplaced Pages's nonbias policy, followed by replies. | |||
<h3>There's no such thing as objectivity. Everybody with any philosophical | |||
sophistication knows that. So how can we take the "neutrality" policy | |||
seriously? Neutrality, lack of bias, isn't possible.</h3> | |||
This is probably the most common objection to the neutrality policy. It | |||
also reflects the most common ''misunderstanding'' of the policy (which, by | |||
the way, was drafted originally for ] by a philosopher). The misunderstanding is that the policy says | |||
something controversial about the possibility of ''objectivity.'' It simply | |||
does not. In particular, the policy does ''not'' say that there is even | |||
''is'' such a thing as objectivity, a "view from nowhere" (in | |||
]'s phrase)--such | |||
that articles written from ''that'' point of view are consequently | |||
objectively true. That isn't the policy and it is not our aim! Rather, we | |||
employ a different understanding of "neutral" and "unbiased" than many of us | |||
might be used to. The policy is simply that we should do our best to | |||
characterize disputes rather than engage in them. To say ''this'' is not to | |||
say anything contentious, from a philosophical point of view; indeed, this | |||
is something that philosophers are doing all the time, even strongly | |||
relativist philosophers. (They are virtually required to be able to first | |||
characterize their opponents' views fairly, in order to avoid being accused | |||
of setting up straw men to knock down.) Sophisticated relativists will | |||
immediately recognize that the policy is perfectly consistent with their | |||
relativism. | |||
If there's ''anything'' possibly contentious about the policy along these | |||
lines, it is the implication that it is ''possible'' to characterize | |||
disputes fairly, so that all the major participants will be able to look at | |||
the resulting text, agreeing that their views are presented sympathetically | |||
and as completely as possible (within the context of the discussion). It is | |||
an empirical question, not a philosophical one, whether this is possible; | |||
and that such a thing ''is'' indeed possible is evident simply by observing | |||
that such texts are being written daily by the most capable academics, | |||
encyclopedists, textbook writers, and journalists. | |||
<h3>How are we to write articles about pseudoscientific topics, about which | |||
majority scientific opinion is that the pseudoscientific opinion is not | |||
credible and doesn't even really deserve serious mention?</h3> | |||
If we're going to represent the sum total of "human knowledge"--of what we | |||
believe we know, essentially--then we must concede that we will be | |||
describing views repugnant to us without asserting that they are false. | |||
Things are not, however, as bad as that sounds. The task before us is not | |||
to describe disputes fairly, ''on some bogus view of fairness'' that would | |||
have us describe pseudoscience as if were on a par with science; rather, the | |||
task is to represent the majority (scientific) view as the majority view and | |||
the minority (sometimes pseudoscientific) view as the minority view, and, | |||
moreover, to explain how scientists have received pseudoscientific theories. | |||
This is all in the purview of the task of ''describing a dispute fairly.'' | |||
There is a minority of Wikipedians who feel so strongly about this problem, | |||
however, that they believe Misplaced Pages should adopt a "scientific point of | |||
view" rather than a "neutral point of view." What these people have failed | |||
to establish, however, is that there is really a need for such a policy, | |||
''given that'' the scientists' view of pseudoscience can be clearly, fully, | |||
and fairly explained to those who might be misled by pseudoscience. | |||
<h3>What about views that are morally offensive to most Westerners, such as | |||
racism, sexism, and Holocaust denial, that some people actually have? | |||
Surely we are not to be neutral about <i>them</i>?</h3> | |||
We can certainly include long discussions that present our moral repugnance | |||
to such things; in doing so, we can maintain a healthy, consistent support | |||
for the neutral point of view by attributing the view to some prominent | |||
representatives or to some group of people. Others will be able to make up | |||
their own minds and, being reasonable, surely come around to our view. | |||
Those who harbor racism, sexism, etc., will surely not be convinced to | |||
change their views based on a biased article, which only puts them on the | |||
defensive; on the other hand, if we make a concerted effort to apply our | |||
nonbias policy consistently, we might give those with morally repugnant | |||
beliefs insight that will change those views. | |||
<h3>But wait. I find the optimism about science vs. pseudo-science to be | |||
baseless. History has shown that pseudo-science can beat out facts, as those | |||
who rely on pseudo-science use lies, slander, innuendo and numercial | |||
majorities of its followers to force their views on the anyone they can. If | |||
this project gives equal validity to those who literally claim that the | |||
Earth is flat, or those who claim that the Holocaust never occured, the | |||
result is that it will (inadvertently) legitimize and help promote that | |||
which only can be termed evil.</h3> | |||
Please be clear on one thing: the Misplaced Pages neutrality policy certainly | |||
''does not'' state, or imply, that we must "give equal validity" to | |||
completely repugnant views. It does state that we must not take a stand on | |||
them ''qua'' encyclopedia writers; but that does not stop us from | |||
representing the majority views ''as such''; from fairly explaining the | |||
strong arguments against the repugnant views; from describing the strong | |||
moral repugnance that many decent people feel toward them; and so forth. | |||
Hence, on the one hand, Misplaced Pages does not officially take a stand even on | |||
such obvious issues, but on the other, it will not look as though we (the | |||
authors of Misplaced Pages) had accorded equal credibility to morally repugnant | |||
views. Given that the authors of Misplaced Pages represent a rough cross-section | |||
of the educated public, our readers can expect us to have a similar | |||
cross-section of opinion about extremism: most of us abhor it. | |||
<h3>Misplaced Pages seems to have an Americo-centric point of view. Isn't this | |||
contrary to the neutral point of view?</h3> | |||
Yes, it certainly is, and it has no defenders on Misplaced Pages. The presence of | |||
articles written from an exclusively United States point of view is merely a | |||
reflection of the fact that there are many Americans working on the project, | |||
which in turn is merely a reflection of the fact that the (English) project | |||
is being conducted in English and that so many Americans are online. | |||
This is an ongoing problem that can be corrected by active collaboration | |||
from people outside of the U.S., of whom there are many. | |||
<h3>The neutrality policy is used sometimes as an excuse to delete texts | |||
that are perceived as biased. Isn't this a problem?</h3> | |||
In many cases, yes. Most of us believe that the ''mere'' fact that some | |||
text is biased is not enough, by itself, to delete the text outright. If it | |||
contains perfectly valid information, the text should simply be edited | |||
accordingly, and certainly not deleted. | |||
There's sometimes trouble determining whether some claim is true or useful, | |||
particularly when there are few people on board who know about the topic. | |||
In such a case, it's a good idea to raise objections on a ]; if | |||
one has some reason to believe that the author of the biased material will | |||
not be induced to change it, we have sometimes taken to removing the text to | |||
the talk page itself (but certainly not deleting it entirely). But the | |||
latter should be done more or less as a last resort, never merely as a way | |||
of punishing people who have written something biased. | |||
<h3>I agree with the nonbias policy but there are some here who seem | |||
completely, irremediably biased. I have to go around and clean up after | |||
them. What do I do?</h3> | |||
This is a very difficult question. | |||
Unless the case is really egregious, maybe the best thing is to call | |||
attention to the problem publicly, pointing the perpetrators to this page | |||
(but ]--one gets | |||
more flies with honey) and asking others to help. If the problem is | |||
''really'' serious, ] might be enlisted to | |||
beat the person over the head (so to speak) and, in the most recalcitrant | |||
cases, ask them to leave the project. There must surely be a point beyond | |||
which our very strong interest in being a ''completely'' open project is | |||
trumped by the interest the vast majority of our writers have, in being able | |||
to get work done without constantly having to fix the intrusions of people | |||
who do not respect our policy. | |||
<h3>How can we avoid constant and endless warfare over neutrality | |||
issues?</h3> | |||
Would that people asked this question more often. We should ''never'' | |||
debate about ''how'' Misplaced Pages should be biased. It shouldn't be biased | |||
''at all.'' | |||
The best way to avoid warfare over bias is to remember that we are all | |||
reasonably intelligent, articulate people here, or we wouldn't be working on | |||
this and caring so much about it. We have to make it our ''goal'' to | |||
understand each others' perspectives and to ''work hard'' to make sure that | |||
those other perspectives are fairly represented. When any dispute arises as | |||
to what the article "should" say or what is "true," we must not adopt an | |||
adversarial stance; we must do our best to ''step back'' and ask ourselves, | |||
"How can this dispute be fairly characterized?" This has to be asked | |||
repeatedly as each new controversial point is stated. It is not our job to | |||
edit Misplaced Pages so that it reflects our own idiosyncratic views and then | |||
defend those edits against all comers; it is our job to work together, | |||
mainly adding new content, but also, when necessary, coming to a compromise | |||
about how a controversy should be described, so that it is fair to all | |||
sides. | |||
<h3>What about the case where, in order to write any of a long series of | |||
articles on some general subject, we must make some controversial | |||
assumptions? That's the case, e.g., in writing about evolution. Surely we | |||
won't have to hash out the evolution-vs.-creationism debate on every such | |||
page?</h3> | |||
No, surely not. There are virtually no topics that could not proceed | |||
without making some assumptions that ''someone'' would find controversial. | |||
This is true not only in evolutionary biology, but also philosophy, history, | |||
physics, etc. | |||
It is difficult to draw up general principles on which to rule in specific | |||
cases, but the following might help: there is probably not a good reason to | |||
discuss some assumption on a given page, if an assumption is best discussed | |||
in depth on some ''other'' page. Some brief, unobtrusive pointer might be | |||
apropos, however. E.g., in an article about the evolutionary development of | |||
horses, we might have one brief sentence to the effect that some | |||
creationists do not believe that horses (or any other animals) underwent any | |||
evolution, and point the reader to the relevant article. If there is much | |||
specific argumentation on some particular point, it might be placed on a | |||
special page of its own. | |||
<h3>I'm not convinced by what you say about "writing for the enemy." I | |||
don't want to write for the enemy. Most of them rely on stating as fact | |||
many things which are demonstrably false. Are you saying that, to be | |||
neutral in writing an article, I must ''lie,'' in order to faithfully | |||
represent the view I disagree with?</h3> | |||
This is a misunderstanding what the neutrality policy says. ''You'' aren't | |||
claiming ''anything,'' except to say, "So-and-so argues that such-and-such, | |||
twiddle dee dee, and therefore, QED." This can be done with a straight | |||
face, with no moral compunctions, because you are ''attributing'' the claim | |||
to ''someone else.'' That's the important thing here! If we are summing up | |||
''human knowledge'' on a subject, in the sense above-defined, then you are | |||
''leaving out'' important information when you ''omit'' so-and-so's | |||
argument. | |||
It's worth observing that, at least in the humanities, scholars are trained | |||
so that, even when trying to prove a point, one must bring forth | |||
counter-arguments that seem to disprove one's thesis, so that one can | |||
explain why the counter-arguments fail. Such scholarly training also gives | |||
one a better knowledge of source material and what may have been rejected | |||
over the years. Something very much like the neutral point of view is just | |||
an assumption (more or less) among scholars--if it isn't adhered to, or if | |||
only those facts that prove a particular point are used, one might lose | |||
one's position and reputation. | |||
<h3>I have some other objection. Where should I ask it?</h3> | |||
Before asking it, please review the links below. The issues have been very | |||
extensively covered before. If you have some new contribution to make to | |||
the debate, you could try /Talk. | |||
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Executive summary
Misplaced Pages has an important policy: roughly stated, you should write
articles without bias, representing all views fairly. Misplaced Pages uses the
words "bias" and "neutral" in a special sense! This doesn't mean that
it's possible to write an article from just one point of view, the
neutral (unbiased, "objective") point of view. That's a common
misunderstanding of the Misplaced Pages policy. The Misplaced Pages policy is that
we should fairly represent all sides of a dispute, and not make an
article state, imply, or insinuate that any one side is correct. It's
crucial that we work together to make articles unbiased. It's one of
the things that makes Misplaced Pages work so well. Writing unbiased text is an
art that requires practice. The following essay explains this policy in
depth, and is the result of much discussion. We strongly encourage you to
read and edit it.
Introduction: the basic concept of neutrality and why Misplaced Pages must be unbiased
A key Misplaced Pages policy is that
articles should be "unbiased," or written from a "neutral point of view."
We use these terms in a precise way that is different from the common
understanding. It's crucial to grasp what it means to be neutral (in this
sense)--a careful reading of this page will help.
Basically, to write without bias (from a neutral point of view) is to write
so that articles do not advocate any specific points of view; instead, the
different viewpoints in a controversy are all described fairly. This is
a simplistic definition and we'll add nuance later. But for now, we can say
just that to write articles without bias is to try to describe debates
rather than taking one definite stand.
Why should Misplaced Pages be unbiased?
Misplaced Pages is a general encyclopedia, which means it is a representation of
human knowledge at some level of generality. But we (humans) disagree about
specific cases; for any topic on which there are competing views, each view
represents a different theory of what the truth is, and insofar as that view
contradicts other views, its adherents believe that the other views are
false, and therefore not knowledge. Indeed, Misplaced Pages, there are many
opinionated people who often disagree with each other. Where there is
disagreement about what is true, there's disagreement about what constitutes
knowledge. Misplaced Pages works because it's a collaborative effort; but, whilst
collaborating, how can we solve the problem of endless "edit wars" in which
one person asserts that p, whereupon the next person changes the text so
that it asserts that not-p?
A solution is that we accept, for purposes of working on Misplaced Pages, that
"human knowledge" includes all different (significant, published)
theories on all different topics. So we're committed to the goal of
representing human knowledge in that sense. Something like this is
surely a well-established sense of the word "knowledge"; in this sense, what
is "known" has changes constantly with the passage of time, and when we use
the word "know" in the sense, we often use so-called scare quotes. In the
Middle Ages, we "knew" that the Earth was flat. We now "know" otherwise.
We could sum up human knowledge (in this sense) in a biased way: we'd state
a series of theories about topic T, and then claim that the truth about T is
such-and-such. But again, consider that Misplaced Pages is an international,
collaborative project. Probably, as we grow, nearly every view on every
subject will (eventually) be found among our authors and readership. To
avoid endless edit wars, we can agree to present each of these views
fairly, and not make our articles assert any one of them as correct. And
that is what some people believe makes an article "unbiased" or "neutral." To write from a
neutral point of view, one presents controversial views without asserting
them; to do that, it generally suffices to present competing views in a
way that is more or less acceptable to their adherents, and also to
attribute the views to their adherents.
To sum up the primary reason for this policy: Misplaced Pages is an encyclopedia,
a compilation of human knowledge. But since Misplaced Pages is a community-built,
international resource, we surely cannot expect our collaborators to agree
in all cases, or even in many cases, on what constitutes human knowledge in
a strict sense. We can, therefore, adopt the looser sense of "human
knowledge" according to which a wide variety of conflicting theories
constitute what we call "human knowledge." As a collective, we shall make an effort to
present these conflicting theories fairly, without advocating any one of
them.
There is another reason to commit ourselves to a nonbias policy. Namely,
when it is clear to readers that we do not expect them to adopt any
particular opinion, this is conducive to our readers' feeling free to make
up their own minds for themselves, and thus to encourage in them
intellectual independence. So totalitarian governments and dogmatic
institutions everywhere have reason to be opposed to Misplaced Pages, if we
succeed in adhering to our nonbias policy: the presentation of many
competing theories on a wide variety of subjects suggests that we, the
creators of Misplaced Pages, trust readers' competence to form their own opinions
themselves. Texts that present the merits of multiple viewpoints fairly,
without demanding that the reader accept any one of them, are liberating.
Neutrality subverts dogmatism. This is something that nearly everyone
working on Misplaced Pages can agree is a good thing, though some working on Misplaced Pages
may question whether such totalitarian opposition is entirely mythical, now
and in the future.
What is the neutral point of view? What do we mean by "unbiased" and "neutral"?
The answer isn't obvious or entirely agreed upon.
Essentially, a definition for "unbiased writing" is "presenting controversial views
without asserting them." Unfortunately, not everyone agrees with this definition. So we
offer the following clarifications with the hope that they will clear away
the many possible different interpretations of what unbiased writing, or writing
from a neutral point of view, amounts to.
First, and most importantly, consider what it means to say that unbiased
writing presents controversial views without asserting them. Unbiased
writing does not present only the most popular view; it does not
assert the most popular view as being correct after presenting all
views; it does not assert that some sort of intermediate view among the
different views is the correct one (as if the intermediate view were "the
neutral point of view"). Presenting all points of view says, more or less, that
p-ists believe that p, and q-ists believe that q, and that's
where the debate stands at present. Ideally, presenting all points of view also gives a
great deal of background on who believes that p and q and why, and
which view is more popular (being careful, here, not to word the statement
so as to imply that popularity implies correctness). Detailed
articles might also contain the mutual evaluations of the p-ists and the
q-ists, allowing each side to give its "best shot" at the other, but
studiously refraining from saying who won the exchange.
A point here bears elaboration. We said that the neutral point of view is
not, contrary to the seeming implication of the phrase, some actual point
of view on a controversial issue that is "neutral," or "intermediate,"
among the different positions. That represents a particular understanding of
what "neutral point of view" means. The prevailing Misplaced Pages understanding is that the neutral point of
view is not a point of view at all, because, under the "many points of view" doctrine, when one writes neutrally,
one is very careful not to state (or imply or insinuate or carefully but
subtly massage the reader into believing) that any particular view at
all is correct.
Another point bears elaboration as well. Writing unbiasedly can be
conceived very well as representing disputes, characterizing them,
rather than engaging in them. One can think of unbiased writing as the
cold, fair, analytical description of debates. Of course, one might well
doubt that this can be done at all without somehow subtly implying or
insinuating that one position is correct. But experienced academics,
polemical writers, and rhetoricians are well-attuned to bias, so that they
can usually spot a description of a debate that tends to favor one side; not
to say that they do not operate under certain hidden biases.
Now an important qualification. No individual needs to give minority views as much
or as detailed a description as more popular views, in articles comparing
the views. We should not attempt to represent a dispute as if a view held
by only a small minority of people deserved as much attention as a very
popular view. That may be misleading as to the shape of the
dispute. If we are to represent the dispute fairly, we may choose to, collectively, (in most if
not all cases) present various competing views in proportion to their
representation among experts on the subject, or among the concerned parties.
None of this, however, is to say that minority views cannot receive as much
attention as we can possibly give them on pages specifically devoted to
those views. There is no size limit to Misplaced Pages. But even on such pages, though the content of a view is
spelled out possibly in great detail, we still make sure that the view is
not represented as the truth.
Bias per se need not be conscious or particularly partisan. For
example, beginners in a field often fail to realize that what sounds like
uncontroversial common sense is actually biased in favor of one
controversial view. (So we not infrequently need an expert in order to
render the article entirely unbiased.) To take another example, writers
can, without intending it, propagate "geographical" bias, by for example
describing a dispute as it is conducted in the United States (or some
other country) without stating so or knowing that the dispute is framed differently
elsewhere.
Objection: impossible to remove all bias. Indeed, it seems that if we can
detect bias, we can, if we are creative, remove it as well.
Alternative formulation of the policy: assert facts, including facts about opinions--but don't assert opinions themselves
We sometimes give an alternative formulation of the nonbias policy: assert
facts, including facts about opinions--but don't assert opinions themselves.
By "fact," on the one hand, we mean "a piece of information about which
there is no serious dispute." In this sense, that a survey produced a
certain published result is a fact. That the Mars is a planet is a fact.
That 2+2=4 is a fact. That Socrates was a philosopher is a fact. No one
seriously disputes any of these things. So Wikipedians can feel free to
assert as many of them as we can. By "opinion," on the other hand, we
mean "a piece of information about which there is some serious dispute."
There's bound to be borderline cases where we're not sure if we should
take a particular dispute seriously; but there are many propositions that
very clearly express opinions. That God exists is an opinion. That the
Beatles were the greatest rock and roll group is an opinion. That
intuitionistic logic is superior to ordinary logic is an opinion. That the
United States was wrong to drop the atomic bomb over Hiroshima and Nagasaki
is an opinion.
For determining whether something is fact or opinion in this sense, it does
not matter what the actual truth of the matter is; there can at least in
theory be false "facts" (things that everybody agrees upon, but which
are, in fact, false), and there are very often true "opinions," though
necessarily, it seems, more false ones than true.
Misplaced Pages is devoting to stating facts and only facts, in this sense. Where
we might want to state opinions, we convert that opinion into a fact by
attributing the opinion to someone. So, rather than asserting, "God
exists," which is an opinion, we can say, "Most Americans believe that God
exists," which is a fact, or "Thomas Aquinas believed that God exists,"
which is also a fact. In the first instance we assert an opinion; in the
second and third instances we convert that opinion into a fact by
attributing it to someone. However, both of those facts are colored by what
evidence supports those facts and the semantics behind both statements: the
first is a statement gleaned from polls and is thus subject to the facts
behind poll-taking; the second is gleaned from the writings of Aquinas, which
are very different from polls. And the conception of God in the modern era
is very different from that of the age of Aquinas. Fortunately, Misplaced Pages
can have entries on God, Thomas Aquinas, polls, etc., to elucidate these points.
But it's not enough, to express the Misplaced Pages nonbias policy, just to
say that we should state facts and not opinions. When asserting a fact
about an opinion, it is important also to assert facts about
competing opinions, and to do so without implying that any one of the
opinions is correct. It's also generally important to give the facts about
the reasons behind the views, and to make it clear who holds them. (It's
often best to cite a prominent representative of the view.)
Fairness and sympathetic tone
If we're going to characterize disputes fairly, fairness demands we present
competing views with a consistently positive, sympathetic tone. A fair
number of articles end up as fairly partisan commentary even while
presenting both points of view; this is wrong. Even when a topic is
presented in terms of facts rather than opinion, an article can still
radiate an implied stance through either selection of which facts to
present, or more subtly their organization--for instance, refuting opposing
views as one goes makes them look a lot worse than collecting them in an
opinions-of-opponents section.
We should, instead, write articles with the tone that all positions
presented are at least plausible. Let's present all competing views
sympathetically. We can write with the attitude that such-and-such is a
good idea, except that, on the view of some detractors, the supporters of
said view overlooked such-and-such a detail. If we can't do that, we will
probably write stuff with so much contempt that subsequent edits are going
to have a hard time doing anything but veiling it.
Characterizing opinions of people's artistic and other work
A special case is the expression of aesthetic opinions. Some Misplaced Pages
articles about art, artists, and other creative topics (e.g., musicians,
actors, books, video games, etc.) have tended toward the effusive. This is,
we can agree, out of place in an encyclopedia; we might not all be able to
agree that so-and-so is the greatest bass guitar player in history. But it
is very important information indeed how some artist or some work has been
received by the general public, by reviewers, or by some very prominent
experts. Providing an overview of the common interpretations of a creative
work, preferably with citations or references to notable individuals holding
that interpretation, is appropriate. For instance, that Shakespeare is one
of the greatest authors of the English language is an important bit of
knowledge a schoolchild might need to learn from an encyclopedia. Notice,
determining how some artist or work has been received publicly or critically
might require research; but that reception, unlike the idiosyncratic opinion
of the Misplaced Pages article writer, is an opinion that really matters, for
purposes of an encyclopedia.
A consequence: writing for the enemy
Those who constantly attempt to advocate their own views on politically
charged topics (for example), who seem not to care at all about whether
other points of view are represented fairly, are violating the nonbias
policy ("write unbiasedly"). This entails that it is our job to speak for
the other side, and not just represent our own views. If we don't commit
ourselves to doing that, Misplaced Pages will be much, much weaker for it. We
should all be engaged in explaining each other's points of view as
sympathetically as possible.
In saying this, we are explicitly spelling out what might have been obvious
to some people from an initial reading of the policy. If each of us
individually is permitted to write totally biased stuff in our Misplaced Pages
contributions, then how is it possible that the policy is ever violated?
The policy says, "Go thou and write unbiasedly" (or something to that
effect). If that doesn't entail that we should fairly represent views
with which we disagree, then what does it mean? Maybe you think it
means, "Represent your own view fairly, but if you must only grudgingly
allow others to have a say, please allow them to do so." Maybe that makes a
bit of sense as an interpretation--not a lot, but a bit. But consider, if
we each take responsibility for the entire article when we hit that
"save" button, then when we make a change to an article that represents
our own views but not contrary views, or represents contrary views
unfairly or incompletely (etc.), surely we are adding bias to Misplaced Pages.
And does it really ever make sense not to take responsibility for the
entire article? Does it make sense to prise out sentences and say, "These
are mine, those are yours"? Perhaps, but in the context of a project that
is so strongly and explicitly committed to neutrality, that sort of attitude
seems totally out of place!
The other side might very well find your attempts to characterize their
views substandard, but it's the thought that counts. In resolving disputes
over neutrality issues, it's far better that we acknowledge that all sides
must be presented fairly, and make at least a college try at presenting the
other sides fairly. That will be appreciated much more than not trying at
all.
"Writing for the enemy" might make it seem as if we were adding
deliberately flawed arguments to Misplaced Pages, which would be a very
strange thing to do. But it's better to view this (otherwise
puzzling)behavior as adding the best (published) arguments of the
opposition, preferably citing some prominent person who has actually made
the argument in the form in which you present it, stating them as
sympathetically as possible. Academics, e.g., philosophers, do this all the
time.
An example
It might help to consider an example of a biased text and how Wikipedians
have rendered it at least relatively unbiased.
On the abortion page, early in
2001, some advocates had used the page to exchange rhetorical barbs, being
unable to agree about what arguments should be on the page and how the
competing positions should be represented. What was needed--and what was
added--was an in-depth discussion of the different positions about the moral
and legal viability of abortion at different times. This discussion of the
positions was carefully crafted so as not to favor any one of the positions
outlined. This made it rather easier to organize and understand the
competing arguments surrounding the topic of abortion, which were each then
presented sympathetically, each with its strengths and weaknesses.
There are numerous other "success stories" of articles that began life as
virtual partisan screeds but were nicely cleaned up by people who concerned
themselves with representing all views clearly and sympathetically.
Objections and clarifications
What follows is a list of common objections, or questions, regarding
Misplaced Pages's nonbias policy, followed by replies.
There's no such thing as objectivity. Everybody with any philosophical sophistication knows that. So how can we take the "neutrality" policy seriously? Neutrality, lack of bias, isn't possible.
This is probably the most common objection to the neutrality policy. It
also reflects the most common misunderstanding of the policy (which, by
the way, was drafted originally for Nupedia by a philosopher). The misunderstanding is that the policy says
something controversial about the possibility of objectivity. It simply
does not. In particular, the policy does not say that there is even
is such a thing as objectivity, a "view from nowhere" (in
Thomas Nagel's phrase)--such
that articles written from that point of view are consequently
objectively true. That isn't the policy and it is not our aim! Rather, we
employ a different understanding of "neutral" and "unbiased" than many of us
might be used to. The policy is simply that we should do our best to
characterize disputes rather than engage in them. To say this is not to
say anything contentious, from a philosophical point of view; indeed, this
is something that philosophers are doing all the time, even strongly
relativist philosophers. (They are virtually required to be able to first
characterize their opponents' views fairly, in order to avoid being accused
of setting up straw men to knock down.) Sophisticated relativists will
immediately recognize that the policy is perfectly consistent with their
relativism.
If there's anything possibly contentious about the policy along these
lines, it is the implication that it is possible to characterize
disputes fairly, so that all the major participants will be able to look at
the resulting text, agreeing that their views are presented sympathetically
and as completely as possible (within the context of the discussion). It is
an empirical question, not a philosophical one, whether this is possible;
and that such a thing is indeed possible is evident simply by observing
that such texts are being written daily by the most capable academics,
encyclopedists, textbook writers, and journalists.
How are we to write articles about pseudoscientific topics, about which majority scientific opinion is that the pseudoscientific opinion is not credible and doesn't even really deserve serious mention?
If we're going to represent the sum total of "human knowledge"--of what we
believe we know, essentially--then we must concede that we will be
describing views repugnant to us without asserting that they are false.
Things are not, however, as bad as that sounds. The task before us is not
to describe disputes fairly, on some bogus view of fairness that would
have us describe pseudoscience as if were on a par with science; rather, the
task is to represent the majority (scientific) view as the majority view and
the minority (sometimes pseudoscientific) view as the minority view, and,
moreover, to explain how scientists have received pseudoscientific theories.
This is all in the purview of the task of describing a dispute fairly.
There is a minority of Wikipedians who feel so strongly about this problem,
however, that they believe Misplaced Pages should adopt a "scientific point of
view" rather than a "neutral point of view." What these people have failed
to establish, however, is that there is really a need for such a policy,
given that the scientists' view of pseudoscience can be clearly, fully,
and fairly explained to those who might be misled by pseudoscience.
What about views that are morally offensive to most Westerners, such as racism, sexism, and Holocaust denial, that some people actually have? Surely we are not to be neutral about them?
We can certainly include long discussions that present our moral repugnance
to such things; in doing so, we can maintain a healthy, consistent support
for the neutral point of view by attributing the view to some prominent
representatives or to some group of people. Others will be able to make up
their own minds and, being reasonable, surely come around to our view.
Those who harbor racism, sexism, etc., will surely not be convinced to
change their views based on a biased article, which only puts them on the
defensive; on the other hand, if we make a concerted effort to apply our
nonbias policy consistently, we might give those with morally repugnant
beliefs insight that will change those views.
But wait. I find the optimism about science vs. pseudo-science to be baseless. History has shown that pseudo-science can beat out facts, as those who rely on pseudo-science use lies, slander, innuendo and numercial majorities of its followers to force their views on the anyone they can. If this project gives equal validity to those who literally claim that the Earth is flat, or those who claim that the Holocaust never occured, the result is that it will (inadvertently) legitimize and help promote that which only can be termed evil.
Please be clear on one thing: the Misplaced Pages neutrality policy certainly
does not state, or imply, that we must "give equal validity" to
completely repugnant views. It does state that we must not take a stand on
them qua encyclopedia writers; but that does not stop us from
representing the majority views as such; from fairly explaining the
strong arguments against the repugnant views; from describing the strong
moral repugnance that many decent people feel toward them; and so forth.
Hence, on the one hand, Misplaced Pages does not officially take a stand even on
such obvious issues, but on the other, it will not look as though we (the
authors of Misplaced Pages) had accorded equal credibility to morally repugnant
views. Given that the authors of Misplaced Pages represent a rough cross-section
of the educated public, our readers can expect us to have a similar
cross-section of opinion about extremism: most of us abhor it.
Misplaced Pages seems to have an Americo-centric point of view. Isn't this contrary to the neutral point of view?
Yes, it certainly is, and it has no defenders on Misplaced Pages. The presence of
articles written from an exclusively United States point of view is merely a
reflection of the fact that there are many Americans working on the project,
which in turn is merely a reflection of the fact that the (English) project
is being conducted in English and that so many Americans are online.
This is an ongoing problem that can be corrected by active collaboration
from people outside of the U.S., of whom there are many.
The neutrality policy is used sometimes as an excuse to delete texts that are perceived as biased. Isn't this a problem?
In many cases, yes. Most of us believe that the mere fact that some
text is biased is not enough, by itself, to delete the text outright. If it
contains perfectly valid information, the text should simply be edited
accordingly, and certainly not deleted.
There's sometimes trouble determining whether some claim is true or useful,
particularly when there are few people on board who know about the topic.
In such a case, it's a good idea to raise objections on a talk page; if
one has some reason to believe that the author of the biased material will
not be induced to change it, we have sometimes taken to removing the text to
the talk page itself (but certainly not deleting it entirely). But the
latter should be done more or less as a last resort, never merely as a way
of punishing people who have written something biased.
I agree with the nonbias policy but there are some here who seem completely, irremediably biased. I have to go around and clean up after them. What do I do?
This is a very difficult question.
Unless the case is really egregious, maybe the best thing is to call
attention to the problem publicly, pointing the perpetrators to this page
(but politely--one gets
more flies with honey) and asking others to help. If the problem is
really serious, Larry Sanger might be enlisted to
beat the person over the head (so to speak) and, in the most recalcitrant
cases, ask them to leave the project. There must surely be a point beyond
which our very strong interest in being a completely open project is
trumped by the interest the vast majority of our writers have, in being able
to get work done without constantly having to fix the intrusions of people
who do not respect our policy.
How can we avoid constant and endless warfare over neutrality issues?
Would that people asked this question more often. We should never
debate about how Misplaced Pages should be biased. It shouldn't be biased
at all.
The best way to avoid warfare over bias is to remember that we are all
reasonably intelligent, articulate people here, or we wouldn't be working on
this and caring so much about it. We have to make it our goal to
understand each others' perspectives and to work hard to make sure that
those other perspectives are fairly represented. When any dispute arises as
to what the article "should" say or what is "true," we must not adopt an
adversarial stance; we must do our best to step back and ask ourselves,
"How can this dispute be fairly characterized?" This has to be asked
repeatedly as each new controversial point is stated. It is not our job to
edit Misplaced Pages so that it reflects our own idiosyncratic views and then
defend those edits against all comers; it is our job to work together,
mainly adding new content, but also, when necessary, coming to a compromise
about how a controversy should be described, so that it is fair to all
sides.
What about the case where, in order to write any of a long series of articles on some general subject, we must make some controversial assumptions? That's the case, e.g., in writing about evolution. Surely we won't have to hash out the evolution-vs.-creationism debate on every such page?
No, surely not. There are virtually no topics that could not proceed
without making some assumptions that someone would find controversial.
This is true not only in evolutionary biology, but also philosophy, history,
physics, etc.
It is difficult to draw up general principles on which to rule in specific
cases, but the following might help: there is probably not a good reason to
discuss some assumption on a given page, if an assumption is best discussed
in depth on some other page. Some brief, unobtrusive pointer might be
apropos, however. E.g., in an article about the evolutionary development of
horses, we might have one brief sentence to the effect that some
creationists do not believe that horses (or any other animals) underwent any
evolution, and point the reader to the relevant article. If there is much
specific argumentation on some particular point, it might be placed on a
special page of its own.
I'm not convinced by what you say about "writing for the enemy." I don't want to write for the enemy. Most of them rely on stating as fact many things which are demonstrably false. Are you saying that, to be neutral in writing an article, I must lie, in order to faithfully represent the view I disagree with?
This is a misunderstanding what the neutrality policy says. You aren't
claiming anything, except to say, "So-and-so argues that such-and-such,
twiddle dee dee, and therefore, QED." This can be done with a straight
face, with no moral compunctions, because you are attributing the claim
to someone else. That's the important thing here! If we are summing up
human knowledge on a subject, in the sense above-defined, then you are
leaving out important information when you omit so-and-so's
argument.
It's worth observing that, at least in the humanities, scholars are trained
so that, even when trying to prove a point, one must bring forth
counter-arguments that seem to disprove one's thesis, so that one can
explain why the counter-arguments fail. Such scholarly training also gives
one a better knowledge of source material and what may have been rejected
over the years. Something very much like the neutral point of view is just
an assumption (more or less) among scholars--if it isn't adhered to, or if
only those facts that prove a particular point are used, one might lose
one's position and reputation.
I have some other objection. Where should I ask it?
Before asking it, please review the links below. The issues have been very
extensively covered before. If you have some new contribution to make to
the debate, you could try /Talk.
See also:
Neutral point of view--older version and commentary
Meta-Misplaced Pages draft and commentary
Most controversial subjects in wikipedia
Words that should not be used in wikipedia articles
Misplaced Pages commentary/Faith vs science with regard to the Misplaced Pages