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| On the issue of East European cooperation, could we get some editors look at the recent history and talk page of ] and respond there or do something with the article? Thanks! --] 22:17, August 4, 2005 (UTC) | On the issue of East European cooperation, could we get some editors look at the recent history and talk page of ] and respond there or do something with the article? Thanks! --] 22:17, August 4, 2005 (UTC) | ||
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List of heroes of Ukraine
The list is now complete. It was a months' work of putting together 146 names. You are welcome to stop by and check spelling. Sashazlv 04:36, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
- Sasha, thumbs up and a Barnstar! --Irpen 07:18, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
Misplaced Pages:Peer review/Kiev
I requested Peer review for Kiev. Sashazlv 05:09, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
Bringing publicity to Ukrainian topics
I think we should change the priorities. The problem is that there are too few people who contribute to "Ukrainian articles" on a more or less systematic basis. And few people seem to be interested in such articles, in general. We kind of keep creating stubs and seldom update or expand them. Those, who, by chance, get to such a stub will be frustrated and may never come back to any "Ukrainian article". First impression does matter a lot.
Here's a possible solution: 1. Switch effort from quantity to quality. 2. Try a few PR techniques. A good idea may be to try to push Kiev to an FA status.
This whole thing is a voluntary project. So, the only way to make people work is to make them interested. I hope quality + some PR would work out.
What do you think? Sashazlv 04:41, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
- I agree that UA articles as featured at front page will bring publicity and may bring people to topics. Just for the particality reasons, we have to choose not among the most worthy topics, but among the better shaped article. I am not sure, Kiev is the one, but it is one from a rather small pool.
I think also a good idea is to attract more attention from our neighbors. Just look at the coverage of RU- and PL-related topics (I humbly try to participate, with at Russia portal and (very little) at Misplaced Pages talk:Polish Wikipedians' notice board). There are editors there with an exceptional commitment and quality of contributions. I will keep campaigning there for more attention to UA topics and will try some new approaches. :) --Irpen 07:54, August 11, 2005 (UTC)
Starobielsk
The article needs urgent attention. Is it really a village? Is it near Kharkov? What about the spelling? --Ghirlandajo
- I did a quick search and found out some amazingly interesting info about this place. I will start working on it and will post the refs at talk page. Thanks, Ghirlandajo, for bringing this up. --Irpen 22:31, August 8, 2005 (UTC)
- Please see Talk:Starobielsk. --Irpen 03:34, August 9, 2005 (UTC)
Aleksandra Lisowska
Aka Roxolana. Could anyone confirm that her name is Aleksandra? To my best memory, her name is Anastasiya. At least, she is Anastasiya in Zahrebelnyy's novel. Sashazlv 01:24, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
- I could only find Anastasia. But the article should be under name "Roxelana" at the first place. Please join the discussion at Talk:Aleksandra Lisowska Thanks for bringing this up. --Irpen 05:19, August 10, 2005 (UTC)
- please don't forget to register your official vote at talk:Aleksandra Lisowska to have this moved to Roxelana. -Irpen 04:06, August 18, 2005 (UTC)
Cossack and post-revolution times in History of Ukraine
Please read recent entries at Talk:Ukrainian_People's_Republic#more_on_expansion and Talk:Zaporozhian_Host#Disconnected_material_from_the_article.2C_also_re_razing_.28massacre.29 and comment there, if you can. Regards, --Irpen 05:28, August 10, 2005 (UTC)
Attorney General / Prosecutor General
I couldn't find an article about the Office of the General Prosecutor of Ukraine (Генеральна прокуратура України), or whatever translation you prefer. If it exists under a different name, please, post it below. Sashazlv 04:17, 29 July 2005 (UTC) Lest I forget, external link is: .
Template for links to Zerkalo Nedeli articles
I think it would be useful to make a template for the references to ZN articles. The paper covers a broad array of topics, from current events and remote history. It is bi-/tri- lingual and searchable back to 1995. Something like:
{{ZNref|articlename|Month|Year|ru-link|ua-link|en-link(if any)}}
to bring:
- "Article name" in Zerkalo Nedeli (the Mirror Weekly), Month, Year, available online in and .
Is there anyone with experience making templates? I made several but messed up big time. Just a suggestion. --Irpen 06:56, July 19, 2005 (UTC)
New PD-tag as per the UA law below
As per the law below, I just created a tag {{PD-UA-Exempt}} which displays the following message:
 | According to the Article 10 of the Law of Ukraine on Copyright and Related rights this work is in the public domain within Ukraine because it is one of the following:
Note that drafts of anything that falls under sections (d) and (e), unless officially approved are under copyright. Hence it is assumed that this image has been released into the public domain worldwide. However use of this image within Ukraine might be subject to usage restrictions regulated by other laws. PD-Ukraine Public domain in Ukraine false false |  |
I also placed a copy of this tag to commons and started to tag images both there and in enwiki. You are welcome! :) --Irpen 04:41, July 21, 2005 (UTC)
- I was about to do the same, but you beat me to it. One, I tagged all of the Hero of Ukraine images with that tag. Two, check your email inbox and three, if someone can help with some photos of people wearing the title, we can use one or two. Most of the images from Kuchma's era were deleted from his website, replaced with photos of Yushchenko. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 04:44, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
Ukrainian copyright law's very important excemption
Prompted by Zscout370's request at my talk page I checked for what UA law says on this issue. UA-version of the law is easy to google, but an English version is harder to find and I think the links below are very useful. Anyway, there are a couple of sites that give full text of the 2001 law on copyright in English. The most "official looking" is this pdf file at CIPR's site. The HTML version is available at this fun site but the text is the same. The relevant text from the law is in the PD-UA-exempt tag above, now created both in enwiki and in commons.
Here is the excerpt from the law:
Objects Not Covered by Protection
- 10. The following items shall not be objects of copyright:
- (a) daily news or details of current events that constitute regular press information;
- (b) works of folk art (folklore);
- (c) official documents of a political, legislative or administrative nature (laws, decrees, resolutions, court awards, State standards, etc.) issued by government authorities within their powers, and official translations thereof;
- (d) State symbols of Ukraine, government awards (in original text "nagorody", so yes, it includes orders and medals! -Irpen); symbols and signs of government authorities, the Armed Forces of Ukraine and other military formations (should include all insignia, right? -Irpen); symbols of territorial communities (original "terrytorial'nyh gromad", so not only State but local CoA's, I assume. -Irpen); symbols and signs of enterprises, institutions and organizations (I would say it includes logos, including Dinamo Kiev :) -Irpen);
- (e) bank notes;
- (f) transport schedules, TV and radio broadcast schedules, telephone directories and other similar databases that do not meet the originality criteria and to which the sui generis right (a particular or special right) is applicable.
The drafts of the official symbols and signs specified in points (d) and (e) of part 1 of this Article shall, prior to their official approval, be regarded as works and shall be protected pursuant to this Law.
This should make life easier, shouldn't it? Cheers, -Irpen 00:52, July 21, 2005 (UTC)
Besides, similar tag
| This work is not an object of copyright according to article 1259 of Book IV of the Civil Code of the Russian Federation No. 230-FZ of December 18, 2006
Shall not be objects of copyright:
Comment – This license tag is also applicable to official documents, state symbols and signs of the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (union level). Warning – This license tag is not applicable to drafts of official documents, proposed official symbols and signs, which can be copyrighted. Warning – This Russian official document, state symbol or sign (postage stamps, coins and banknotes mainly) may incorporate one or more works that can be copyrightable if separated from this document, symbol or sign. In such a case, this work is not an object of copyright if reused in its entirety but, at the same time, extracting specific portions from this work could constitute copyright infringement. For example, the denomination and country name must be preserved on postage stamps. – The official documents, state symbols and signs of 14 other Soviet Republics are the subject of law of their legal successors. Public domain Public domain in Russia //en.wikipedia.org/Portal:Ukraine/Ukraine-related_Wikipedia_notice_board |  |
is created based on the similar RU-law. It is both in commons and enwiki. The tag has a reference to the official text of the Russian Law I pasted to Wikisource. Unfortunately, I was not able to paste an UA-law in English to Wikisource. For one, the RU-law text (English version) is published on RU-gov site (there is not in gov-ua), and the links I found are correct but not official. Secondly, the version of ru-law could be pasted as is, without adding wikimarkup, to produce still reasonable text. If anyone wants to take it upon themselves, you're all welcome.
And finally, there are other permitted uses in both RU- and UA-laws. Such as "reproduction of pieces that are open to public access anyway", etc. Do we need another tag for such? Or common PD and fairuse tags would suffice? Regards, --Irpen 17:53, July 21, 2005 (UTC)
- We already have a template for photos taken at or before 1973, called PD-USSR. From 1974-1991, I am not sure about the copyright for those photos. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 20:16, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
- Quite interesting, actually, because I just uploaded a photo that was taken in the 80s. I marked it as PD but not sure if it's the best choice. -- mno 20:23, July 21, 2005 (UTC)
New template and category "uk-4" (near-native)
| uk-4 | Користувач володiє українською мовою майже як рiдною. |
New template analogous to en-4 is created and is called for by placing {{user uk-4}} at your user page. I don't know for how many users it would be useful but the message it would show is above. Your name would also be automatically added to the category:user uk-4 list. There are also uk-1,2,3 and uk templates for beginner, intermediate, advanced and "native" levels, respectively. Cheers, --Irpen 17:52, July 18, 2005 (UTC)
Rus' articles' confusion
Please look at the note I just posted at Wikipedia_talk:Russian_Wikipedians'_notice_board#Rus'_articles and respond there, if you would like to share your opinion on this. Thanks! -Irpen 00:41, Jun 9, 2005 (UTC)
Woah! (Hero of Ukraine)
I've been away for a week, and missed my user page when catching up, yesterday. By dumb luck, I just found the medal you awarded me. What a great surprise. Thanks so much! —Michael Z. 2005-07-27 19:34 Z
- :). BTW, Zscout370, who recently created a Hero of Ukraine and the List of heroes of Ukraine articles (both being developed now, mostly by him) is aware of this. I don't know whether he will add this recipient to the list article. ;) --Irpen 20:31, July 27, 2005 (UTC)
Eastern-European cooperation proposal
Crossposted to: Misplaced Pages talk:Polish Wikipedians' notice board, Misplaced Pages:Wikiportal/Russia/Russia-related Misplaced Pages notice board, Misplaced Pages talk:Wikiportal/Belarus, Misplaced Pages:Wikiportal/Ukraine/Ukraine-related Misplaced Pages notice board
I'd like to propose that Polish, Russian, Ukrainian, Belarussian (and anybody else who wants to join, you will excuse me if I won't list everyone here, I tried to reach everybody on the Misplaced Pages:Regional notice boards) Wikipedians join forces and try together to promote some articles to FA, instead of (what seems to be more common, unfortunately) fighting over which name should go first and similar petty issues :>
In this spirit I invite you all to comment on Polish-Muscovy War (1605-1618), an article I (mostly, wiki being wiki) have written over the past few months. It can definetly benefit from introducing Russian/English spelling of some names/people that I added knowing only Polish spelling, adjusting my Polish POV and adding more info from Russian/other sources I have no access to. I believe this article is fairly comprehensive, and we can make it reach FA. In few days I will submit it to Peer Review, and if there are no disputes on PR/article's talk page I will submit it to FA in over a week.
Once again, I invite your comments and edits, and hope this will be the first of many similar projects that proves we can work on together, to show our Eastern European history and culture to English-speaking world, most of whom unfortunately seem never to heard about Muscovy of Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. If you like this initative. For now, I invite everybody to copy their replies to my talk page; if there is enough interest, perhaps we can create a serparate page to discuss it (Wikiproject:Eastern Europe or sth like this). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 17:35, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
- The idea is now located at User:Zscout370/Wikiproject:Eastern Europe. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 23:44, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
Kamianets-Podilskyi
On the issue of East European cooperation, could we get some editors look at the recent history and talk page of Kamianets-Podilskyi and respond there or do something with the article? Thanks! --Irpen 22:17, August 4, 2005 (UTC)
Prometheism
- Need your help on Międzymorze. I tried to English it as Polish imperialism, but was stymied by Polish editors. In the wikireality, the Russian colonization of Siberia is dubbed imperialism, but the Polish ambitions to extend their territory from one sea to another are not. What do you guys think? --Ghirlandajo 18:40, 2 November 2005 (UTC)