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AAS stands for Acta Apostolicae Sedis, which is the official organ of the Vatican containing all official papal documents. some but not all encyclicas are available online at the Vatican Website in the papal archieve under Pius XII. for ex. Google Mystici Corporis or go to Misplaced Pages Mystici corporis and you will find the link. Cheers--Ambrosius007 (talk) 12:56, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

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Question

You know a lot about Russian wikipedia users, and some of them also operate here. Is anything I should know about this? Thanks.Biophys (talk) 05:00, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

• • Usually they use the same nicks, hence it is easy to make your own judgement. Very few are capable of (or seriously interested in) editing here: you can see some guys' contributions on the Discussion page of Putinism. One thing, though, that i strongly suspect (i haven't any proof of course) is that the last chap who has edited Putinism (with all these preposterous "Introduction" subsections within a subsection) is the same person who is registered as "Olegwiki" in the RuWP: just a lot of similarities in style, ideology and very poor language (his Russian is not much better) -- kind of mildly leftist (pink), pro-Russian nationalistic doctrinaire pushing his own views in all possible articles. I should not be surprised if "Mikheyev" (the guy he quotes in that ludicrous subsection - http://news.km.ru/mixeev ) is actually him. By-the-by, do you have any idea what is that tabloidish site (km.ru) that opinion is sourced to? It is kind of Communist youth publication, i guess. By the RuWP standards, his opinion should be expunged as he is not even a кандидат наук in the relevant area. Then, his sole opinion should not merit the whole subsction along with (and before!) the dominanat experts' opinion. Think there's a host of violations there now.Muscovite99 (talk) 12:37, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Unlike you, I do not conceal my personality. Perhaps I'm just not afraid to express my position on numerous questions? ellol (talk) 18:10, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Ellol, as ever, i cannot see your point. I suggest that you yourself tone down all these "Introduction" pretenses: it is a small section within a small article. What's all this posturing for? You are just making the article's subject even more ridiculous and grotesque than it is, let alone it is downright confusing: WP articles' intros are their leads, not a tiny subsection. Mikheyev ought to be deleted per WP:FRINGE. I absolutely do not mind such opinion but it has to be from a qualified mouth, or at least off the pages of a major publicaton; a tabloid site featuring an opinion of a complete nobody - that's what it is. Things about this duo ARE changing as we speak and you could actually come up with some representative opnion on the matter, if you tried.Muscovite99 (talk) 18:41, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Mikheyev is a deputy director of one of Russia's leading think tanks, Center for Political Technologies. Not nobody.

If you dislike "introduction", let it be "background". Before showing opinions on the event, facts must be explained. That's my principal position. ellol (talk) 08:01, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Thank you, Muscovite. This is interesting. We have a number of new accounts that have been created, became very active, or changed their favorite subjects in the beginning of Ossetian war. These users were not newcomers when they first started editing in English wikipedia, based on their editing patterns. One can look at edit history of Ossetian war to identify some of them.Biophys (talk) 18:33, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

• Byophys, frankly, i cannot see here any one doing things that are practised in the RuWP by a few editors (they are all registered with their personal pages totally blank, which makes their edits red on display in the edit history) - i mean routine monitoring of politically relevant articles and methodically deleting negative info and pushing some fluff such as Mikheyev's opinion ("Esp", "Sasha T"). As you could have seen from some of my previous links, they effectively give orders to some Ru admins (notably Mitrius). The latter would lead a campaign such as the one that was started against me last September. I am pretty certain that the real reason was my active editing in the Ossetia war-related articles - in fact presenting major western governments position straight from the official sources: most of the stuff was not in any Russian-language media at all. I could see that angered quite a few -- some of the guys being ordinary Russian "patriots". Things are now calming down: this silly chauvinistic wave has mostly gone, the country is now rapidly sinking in the slough of crisis that most people in Moscow has not felt yet, but even the latest official stats are awful: . Mind, as recently as last Dec the Stats were forecasting 5-6% growth for this year, though it sounded utterly ridiculous even then. I am almost certain Russia (as a current entity) will have disappeared by 2020 at best, most likely sooner that that. It is not so much economics, though, as plain demographics - in a generation ethniс Russians will be close to being a minority. Given the fact that there's no postive Russian culture (of course, i do not mean культуру - ballet and art), Russians are already pretty much a minority to all intents and purposes, with a number of republics being virtually independent (with no Russian population whatsoever, or having it as a minority): Ramzan, for expample, is doing absolutely what he wants not just in Ch. (where the Moscow writ does not run) but in the rest of the RF as well. You could add Vienna, but there's a difference: unlike in Vienna, in the RF his actions are being assisted by the local "organs". I'm inclined to say that in Russia now there is indeed a duumvirate, the persons in charge being Putty and Ramzan, with the latter quite likely to become solely in charge - he is the only person i can see in the RF Nomenklatura who seems fit to manage the RF disintegration, perhaps even attempting a temporary consolidation. Sorry for a lengthy political brief.Muscovite99 (talk) 19:51, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

There is at least one contributor whose name also appears in red for a long time . I guess he is not SashaT (the latter is more similar to LokiiT in English WP). I thought that one could be "DeerHunter" from Russian WP, but I can be wrong. Thank you for political brief.Biophys (talk) 03:22, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

The thing is i had been deliberately ignorant of personal politics in the WP: simply never had enough time to do this petty politicking there (i mean the RuWP). This might have changed just a bit of late because it had become a bit of fun as most of my "opponents" are hilarious clowns. Also, apparently, the order to oust me has been suspended for the time being. Which is also a bit of fun to me: petty criminals who give them orders are under those criminals who handle me as a real person in life. I've only just discovered something that may be interesting for you to read (you might have read this already): ru:Обсуждение Википедии:Заявки на арбитраж/Muscovite99#Вниманию арбитров.Muscovite99 (talk) 15:06, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

You can also enjoy this.Muscovite99 (talk) 18:15, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

• it has become yet curiouser: after my complaint (See above) about ethics violation, I was blocked without any explanation (). Just Hilarious!Muscovite99 (talk) 19:14, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Thus, my "violation of ethics" was exposing Mitrius as Esp's stooge! Q.E.D.Muscovite99 (talk) 19:33, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

I am perfectly satisfied now that Esp may or may not be a staff kgb criminal doing this job full-time (censoring RuWP); he actually works standard Moscow time office hours. Though i think he's probably based in some provincial УФСБ (like СПб), judging by how thick and degenerate (or otherwise) he is.Muscovite99 (talk) 19:37, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Sure. They own the country, and they own Russian wikipedia. But you can not tell this even in English WP, no matter how many published sources tell precisely the same...Biophys (talk) 04:34, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

• Funnily enough, admin ru:Участник:Wulfson has not so much as provided the exact evidence of my violation (ru:Обсуждение участника:Muscovite99#Q.E.D.), which is just essentially providing the link to the evidence that Mitrius takes orders from Sasha T!Muscovite99 (talk) 14:02, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Also interesting, have a careful look at Esp's personal page -- ru:Участник:Esp: it is not just simply blank; it has also been stripped of the standard features such as "Edit History" and "Edit".Muscovite99 (talk) 14:09, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

So, you still do not know the IP address of his proxy server ...Biophys (talk) 19:21, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Here it is: 194.67.2.155. Not too many edits here: . Biophys (talk) 19:31, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

• This one is interesting. Though i am rather sceptical about Беккер: the guy was obsessed with GLBT issues. Honestly, the whole thing is pretty clear to me and the details are irrelevant and uninteresting. The feeling that Pooty is all but finished is now palpable in Moscow, that is unless he pulls off a virtual coup d'etat. I am now trying to create a "personality cult" section in "Putinism" using some material that had been vandalised in the RuWP. You are welcome to contribute.Muscovite99 (talk) 19:38, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Not sure. This sounds too risky for P. Of course, he would be replaced by someone from the same Corporation, but some of his serious misdeeds might be revealed by his successor, unless he is from the very same gang or completely controlled, like M. Not mentioning about his undeclared billions. Let's wait. Something will happen soon.Biophys (talk) 20:01, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

That's what i am saying; things are changing very rapidly now.Muscovite99 (talk) 20:23, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Может, захотите высказаться в этом забавном обсуждении. 94.75.243.33 (talk) 22:07, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Putinism et al

By the way, what is that much distressing for you in Mikheyev's opinion? Would you like it better if I quote Pavlovsky instead? ellol (talk) 21:27, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Ellol, there is absolutely nothing distressing in Mikheyev's opinion. I've already said all i could say on the matter. He is not known to anyone (the fact that he heads an institution does not lend any weight: i can become a head of an institute in a matter of a few days and print on my card whatever i wish with an inet address linking to a nice site about whatever). You have, i believ, violated WP:NPOV by putting his sole opinion along with (giving it a separate subsection) and before the opinion that is shared by practically every one now. Or shall i say - had been shared until February 2009: things are changing right now, which is a matter for the "Aftermath" section there (you can check my latest edits in ru:Медведев, Дмитрий Анатольевич and possibly transfer some to our article - but keep it short and tight, please; the refs there are mostly to English-language sources). Also, forgive me for some harsh words about your style, but the encyclopedic style (WP:BETTER#Use clear, precise and accurate terms) ought to be quite different (just read any serious enc. in any language): it cannot tolerate verbose ramblings about this side and that side -- it ought to succinctly present consequential data on the relevant subject. I mean all this expose on the RF Constitutional arrangements (who is President and who is PM) belong to different articles; a laconic mentioning of President being constitutionally above could be made, but not a lecture. Stick to the point, the point there being Putinism.Muscovite99 (talk) 15:06, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Do you yourself seriously think that any one can take a 1999 philosophy grad with no background in government bodies, no books (studies) or publications in serious outlets in any way seriously for such matters. What can he possibly know? I've just seen you have made some changes there. They seem to be OK. I am not a fan of Belkovsky or Pavlovsky, but the plain fact is that they are well known names and they do represent powerful elite groupings; thus what they say matters in itself. I did not like "sociological data" just because in Enlish it sounds somewhat misleading, i fear. "Popular view" is what the subsection speaks of; "popular" in Enlish has other than (популярный) meaning - just in case you may not know.Muscovite99 (talk) 15:17, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

OK. ellol (talk) 18:21, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Civility

Edits like this are absolutely unacceptable. If I were you I would alter the entry and say sorry to Esp. I could not force your excuses but the next time I saw something like this I would block you. Regarding the matter of the issue quite a number of participants (both from inside and outside of Russia) have an ability to participate in Internet activities during their office hours. There is nothing unusual about it. If you and Biophys must continue to communicate your theories I would strongly advise to do it offline or at least offwiki Alex Bakharev (talk) 14:45, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. I fully agree: it was essentially a spur-of-the-moment thing; and the background is quite factual.Muscovite99 (talk) 16:40, 22 February 2009 (UTC)