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	::Hence my same comments. Would it be better to hold off on these until the questions raised have answers? Also note that Louisville has also been identified as having a similar concern and that in this nomination Greater Miami, Florida is retained and that is like a metropolitan area. ] (]) 07:05, 26 February 2009 (UTC)		::Hence my same comments. Would it be better to hold off on these until the questions raised have answers? Also note that Louisville has also been identified as having a similar concern and that in this nomination Greater Miami, Florida is retained and that is like a metropolitan area. ] (]) 07:05, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
	:::I would have to dig through some archives, but there was some discussion over the Orlando vs Orlando Area category as well as it pertains to the theme parks (majority of which are outside Orlando city limits). ] (]) 13:02, 26 February 2009 (UTC)		:::I would have to dig through some archives, but there was some discussion over the Orlando vs Orlando Area category as well as it pertains to the theme parks (majority of which are outside Orlando city limits). ] (]) 13:02, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
			::::I think that most of that wound up at the county level, see ]. However I suspect that there will be various exceptions. I think that the history there may support using a name like Orlando without the Florida qualifier for area categories. It really matches the usage in the real world. Using Orland, Floria should be reserved for a subcategory that only includes items in the city itself. ] (]) 20:52, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

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February 26

NEW NOMINATIONS

Category:White hip hop artists

Category:White hip hop artists - Template:Lc1

Nominator's rationale: Delete We don't have other "white" categories nor should we - even if you buy into the value of race/ethnic categories at WP. The purported rationale is that whites are a minority of hip hop artists. Well, whites are the minority of the population of this planet and presumably are a minority of painters, singers, footballers, murderers, politicians, actors, and every other conceivable category here. Are we ready for Category:White singers. I also note that WP has not article White hip-hop music or anything akin to it. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 19:50, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Beauty pageant contestants

Category:Miss United Kingdom contestants - Template:Lc1

Category:Miss Turkey - Template:Lc1

Category:Miss Northern Ireland contestants - Template:Lc1

Category:Miss Scotland - Template:Lc1

Category:Miss International contestants - Template:Lc1

Category:Miss Ireland contestants - Template:Lc1

Category:Miss Nepal Contestants - Template:Lc1

Category:Miss Switzerland contestants - Template:Lc1

Category:Miss Sweden contestants - Template:Lc1

Category:Pakistani beauty pageant contestants - Template:Lc1

Category:Mexican beauty pageant contestants - Template:Lc1

Category:Nuestra Belleza Mexico contestants - Template:Lc1

Nominator's rationale: Delete all - per consensus and precedent at the discussion of the American contestants CFD. Each of these is for contestants rather than winners and there is no indication that the contestant sub-cats are capturing the winners of "feeder" pageants the way that the American "delegates" categories are. A few are also small categories with little or no growth potential. There are some members of Category:Beauty pageant contestants that are not included in any of the nominations on this page. That's because I'm unsure if they are capturing "feeder" pageant winners or are standalones. I'll do a little research and if they are standalones I'll nominate them later. Otto4711 (talk) 16:40, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Comment - I am in sympathy with the nom. However these are rather randomly organised and so deletion might cause unexpected problems - eg Category:XXX Contestants usually includes Category:XXX winners, as one might expect, but the UK ones are otherwise, and the Miss Sweden one has winners at the top level and mere contestants are a subcat. Sigh. Occuli (talk) 17:19, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

I realize that the organization of this category structure is a mess. If these all get deleted then it's going to be a question of sorting through the debris. Otto4711 (talk) 17:34, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
OK, I just checked through the nominated categories and any sub-cat for winners is also parented in Category:Beauty pageant winners so none of the subcats will be lost. Otto4711 (talk) 18:33, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Keep This nom will not help sort out the mess. "there is no indication that the contestant sub-cats are capturing the winners of "feeder" pageants the way that the American "delegates" categories are." - well they are, because the whole system works this way, as in the US - this is probably explained in the articles on the contests & is often mentioned in the biographies. For example, all 3 in Category:Miss Scotland are clearly said to have won that national title, and a good number of the Sedish "contestants" were actually winners, which seems to be generally the case. All of the Pakistani women have won a title, mostly Miss Pakistan World - an international ethnic pageant held in Canada. "A few are also small categories with little or no growth potential." - which ones? If winning the contest is notable, & it is not new, and there is no separate winners cat, how can this be? Most of these can & should be converted into "winners" cats, either at the national or sub-national level. A further problem is the confusion between the Miss World and Miss Universe contests - many had the national title in one but not the other. As in the next nomination, more understanding of the international "ethnic" contest circuits is needed. Just because these don't follow the American model is no reason for them to be deleted out of hand. Johnbod (talk) 19:49, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Category:Miss Vietnam

Propose renaming Category:Miss Vietnam to Category:Miss Vietnam winners

Nominator's rationale: Rename- to clarify that this is for winners of the pageant. Otto4711 (talk) 16:36, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Rename per nom. Johnbod (talk) 19:50, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Chinese pageant contestants

Category:Miss Hong Kong contestants - Template:Lc1

Category:Miss Chinese International contestants - Template:Lc1

Category:Chinese beauty pageant contestants - Template:Lc1

Nominator's rationale: Delete - per consensus and precedent established by discussing the similar American contestant category, merely being a contestant is not a defining characteristic. These categories do not appear to be capturing the winners of "feeder" pageants, unlike the subcats of the American category. Otto4711 (talk) 16:24, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Keep until winners categories set up. The nom is correct, but most of these women have won a title & there are no winners categories for these contests. I would suggest that the edfitors in this field, some of whom are clearly very dedicated, are contacted & asked to set up winners categories, after which the rest can be deleted. For many of these it is not just a defining category, but the defining category, and I for one am becoming increasingly cautious about deleting such. Johnbod (talk) 19:32, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Category:Canadian beauty pageant contestants

Category:Canadian beauty pageant contestants - Template:Lc1

Nominator's rationale: Delete - following up on the previous CFD for American pageant winners, consensus is that simply being a contestant in a pageant is not a defining characteristic. The subcats are for people who have won a major pageant and so are correctly categorized as pageant winners, not requiring a contestant container category. Otto4711 (talk) 16:20, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Rename to Category:Canadian beauty pageant winners weeding out the very few in the head cat to whom this does not apply. Johnbod (talk) 19:35, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Category:Miss Universe Canada

Propose renaming Category:Miss Universe Canada to Category:Miss Universe Canada winners

Nominator's rationale: Rename- reflects the stated purpose of the category, to capture winners of the Miss Universe Canada title. Otto4711 (talk) 16:18, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Rename per nom. Johnbod (talk) 19:36, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Category:Controversial Film

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was: speedy deleted by User:Bearcat. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 19:51, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Category:Controversial Film - Template:Lc1

Nominator's rationale: Delete Category is, well "controversial", and it would be difficult to provide unbiased characterization for membership in the category. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 15:55, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

SPEEDY DELETE as re-creation of previously deleted categories (with slight variations in spelling). Many other categories using the word "controversial" have also been deleted -- because they are intrinsically highly subjective. Notified creator with {{subst:cfd-notify}} Cgingold (talk) 16:00, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
Tagging for speedy deletion and salting as re-created content. Otherwise delete per extensive precedent against the POV categorization standard "controversial". Otto4711 (talk) 16:09, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
- Comment: Previous CfDs at
- among others... my apologies for not noticing it before, but I'll leave it to someone else to delete. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 16:11, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
Speedy delete Per above. Lugnuts (talk) 17:17, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Category:List of Sustainable buildings by country

Category:List of Sustainable buildings by country - Template:Lc1

Nominator's rationale: This case is a bit complicated. Do we want to categorize actual buildings and structures by whether they are considered sustainable?

If "no", then delete this category and its subcategories.
If "yes", then do we want to place articles about said buildings and structures into categories specifically for buildings and structures or more general categories about sustainable building in a country

If we want the former, then rename to Category:Sustainable buildings and structures by country and make a subcategory of Category:Buildings and structures by country.
If we want the latter, then rename to Category:Sustainable building by country (singular "building") and make a subcategory of Category:Sustainable building.

My current preference ordering is: delete, rename option #2, rename option #1. –Black Falcon 21:33, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Note: Notified creator using {{cfd-notify}}. –Black Falcon 21:35, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Comments – the article is actually at Green building to which Sustainable building redirects; this suggests either the articles or the categories should be renamed (I prefer sustainable, lest bright green edifices be added). At present there is Category:Sustainable building and Category:Sustainable buildings and structures should be a subcat; this seems OK. Looking at the Australia and Bahrain subcats it seems that sustainability is a defining feature of the buidings concerned, eg Bahrain World Trade Center has won awards for sustainability. So I think keep, and option 1.5, somewhere between 1 and 2. (Create Category:Sustainable buildings and structures, subcat of Category:Sustainable building and Category:Buildings and structures, with subcat scheme Category:Sustainable buildings and structures by country if needed (which it isn't yet unless there are articles not yet gathered).) Occuli (talk) 22:02, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kbdank71 14:33, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Category:Napier University

Propose renaming Category:Napier University to Category:Edinburgh Napier University

Propose renaming Category:People associated with Napier University to Category:People associated with Edinburgh Napier University

Propose renaming Category:Academics of Napier University to Category:Academics of Edinburgh Napier University

Propose renaming Category:Alumni of Napier University to Category:Alumni of Edinburgh Napier University

Nominator's rationale: Rename all as the university has changed its name to Edinburgh Napier University Timrollpickering (talk) 13:19, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Rename all per nom. Occuli (talk) 13:52, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Western Australian geographic navbox cats

Propose renaming Category:Western Australian suburbs navigational boxes to Category:Western Australia suburb templates

and Category:Western Australian Local Government Areas navigational boxes to Category:Western Australia Local Government Area templates

Nominator's rationale: This and the one above it improve consistency within the Australian project - three other states plus the parent category already use the target format. Orderinchaos 13:08, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Category:Band templates

Propose renaming Category:Band templates to Category:Musical groups templates

Nominator's rationale: Musical groups would match the main category for the article namespace corresponding category. Also, almost all of the subcats of Band templates use either "music groups" or "musical groups". About the only use of band is the Band (music) article. Every other use on the site seems to use music groups or musical groups instead. User:Woohookitty 08:03, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Category:Songs that sample 1980s hit singles

Category:Songs that sample 1980s hit singles - Template:Lc1

Category:Songs that sample previously recorded songs - Template:Lc1

Nominator's rationale: Delete Too narrow of a category. Already adequately covered in Category:Songs that sample previously recorded songs Wolfer68 (talk) 07:33, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Delete - Category:Songs that sample previously recorded songs is quite large and a subcat scheme might be feasible, but 'sample 1980s hit singles' is much too specific. Occuli (talk) 10:20, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
Merge to the parent in case any are missing, although in all likelihood sampling another song is not a defining characteristic and the parent should probably be listified and deleted. Otto4711 (talk) 15:44, 26 February 2009 (UTC) Changing to delete as the parent category is a recreation of a category deleted here under a different name. Otto4711 (talk) 16:13, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
Delete. Unnecessary, overly narrow and WP:OCAT as trivia. As for Category:Songs that sample previously recorded songs, while I agree that one should get deleted as well, it isn't a candidate for speedy: because it contains 476 articles as currently constituted, somebody has to remove the category from the articles, either manually or via an AWB run, before the category can actually be deleted. Speedy doesn't really have a provision for listing deleted categories for that kind of pre-deletion cleanup, while the CFD process does. So while it's clearly a no-brainer delete, it needs to go through this process so that it can get dealt with properly. Bearcat (talk) 17:28, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Attractions

Nominated categories

Propose renaming Category:Visitor attractions in Cincinnati to Category:Visitor attractions in Cincinnati, Ohio

Propose renaming Category:Visitor attractions in Las Vegas to Category:Visitor attractions in Las Vegas, Nevada

Propose renaming Category:Visitor attractions in Louisville to Category:Visitor attractions in Louisville, Kentucky

Propose renaming Category:Visitor attractions in Greater Miami to Category:Visitor attractions in Greater Miami, Florida

Propose renaming Category:Visitor attractions in Omaha to Category:Visitor attractions in Omaha, Nebraska

Propose renaming Category:Visitor attractions in San Diego to Category:Visitor attractions in San Diego, California

Propose renaming Category:Landmarks in Atlanta to Category:Landmarks in Atlanta, Georgia

Propose renaming Category:Landmarks in Baltimore to Category:Landmarks in Baltimore, Maryland

Propose renaming Category:Landmarks in Chicago to Category:Landmarks in Chicago, Illinois

Propose renaming Category:Landmarks in Cincinnati to Category:Landmarks in Cincinnati, Ohio

Propose renaming Category:Landmarks in Macon to Category:Landmarks in Macon, Georgia

Propose renaming Category:Landmarks in Philadelphia to Category:Landmarks in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

Propose renaming Category:Landmarks in Seattle to Category:Landmarks in Seattle, Washington

Propose renaming Category:Landmarks in South Omaha to Category:Landmarks in South Omaha, Nebraska

Propose renaming Category:Landmarks in Tampa to Category:Landmarks in Tampa, Florida

Propose renaming Category:Houses in Chicago to Category:Houses in Chicago, Illinois

Propose renaming Category:Houses in Louisville to Category:Houses in Louisville, Kentucky

Propose renaming Category:Houses in Omaha to Category:Houses in Omaha, Nebraska

Propose renaming Category:Houses in Philadelphia to Category:Houses in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

Propose renaming Category:Performing arts in Cincinnati to Category:Performing arts in Cincinnati, Ohio

Propose renaming Category:Arts venues in Louisville to Category:Arts venues in Louisville, Kentucky

Propose renaming Category:Casinos in Laughlin to Category:Casinos in Laughlin, Nevada

Propose renaming Category:Casinos in Las Vegas to Category:Casinos in Las Vegas, Nevada

Propose renaming Category:Production shows in Las Vegas to Category:Production shows in Las Vegas, Nevada

Propose renaming Category:Roller coasters in Las Vegas to Category:Roller coasters in Las Vegas, Nevada

Nominator's rationale: Appending state as per many nominations of this type, and in conformity with other members of their categories. These are roughly similar concepts, so I felt they could all be treated together. The Vegas issue mentioned in previous nominations applies here, as some of the casinos et al. are in the Strip areas just outside of the Vegas limits.--Mike Selinker (talk) 05:37, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Hence my same comments. Would it be better to hold off on these until the questions raised have answers? Also note that Louisville has also been identified as having a similar concern and that in this nomination Greater Miami, Florida is retained and that is like a metropolitan area. Vegaswikian (talk) 07:05, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

I would have to dig through some archives, but there was some discussion over the Orlando vs Orlando Area category as well as it pertains to the theme parks (majority of which are outside Orlando city limits). SpikeJones (talk) 13:02, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

I think that most of that wound up at the county level, see Category:Visitor attractions in Orlando, Florida. However I suspect that there will be various exceptions. I think that the history there may support using a name like Orlando without the Florida qualifier for area categories. It really matches the usage in the real world. Using Orland, Floria should be reserved for a subcategory that only includes items in the city itself. Vegaswikian (talk) 20:52, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Category:US City Montages

Propose renaming Category:US City Montages to Category:United States city montages

Nominator's rationale: Rename. Expand abbreviations and capitalization. Vegaswikian (talk) 02:51, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Category:US Flower class corvettes

Propose renaming Category:US Flower class corvettes to Category:American Flower class corvettes

Nominator's rationale: Rename. Follow the normal naming convention for the parent category. Vegaswikian (talk) 02:20, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Category:US-headquartered, non-AMA-affiliated motorcycle clubs

Propose renaming Category:US-headquartered, non-AMA-affiliated motorcycle clubs to Category:United States based motorcycle clubs not affiliated with the American Motorcyclist Association

Nominator's rationale: Rename. Expand the abbreviation and reword to maybe make name a bit shorter. Vegaswikian (talk) 02:08, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Delete - categorizing on a negative is usually not done, is it? Otto4711 (talk) 17:38, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
- Correct. I recall this being discussed at one point and there are issues with a better name. If anyone has a suggestion for a name that is not a negative and does not add NPOV concerns, jump in. I think this is one of the exceptions to the rule. Vegaswikian (talk) 19:19, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Category:US GAAP

Propose renaming Category:US GAAP to Category:United States Generally Accepted Accounting Principles

Nominator's rationale: Rename. Expand abbreviations. I think the capitalization is correct. Vegaswikian (talk) 02:03, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Rename to Category:Generally Accepted Accounting Principles (United States) per main article.-choster (talk) 05:46, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Category:U.S. State Population Maps

Propose renaming Category:U.S. State Population Maps to Category:United States state population maps

Nominator's rationale: Rename. Expand abbreviation and capitalization. Vegaswikian (talk) 01:59, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Newspapers

Nominated categories

Propose renaming Category:Newspapers published in Baltimore to Category:Newspapers published in Baltimore , Maryland

Propose renaming Category:Newspapers of Bangalore to Category:Newspapers published in Bangalore

Propose renaming Category:Newspapers of Chennai to Category:Newspapers published in Chennai

Propose renaming Category:Newspapers published in Chicago to Category:Newspapers published in Chicago, Illinois

Propose renaming Category:Newspapers of Cincinnati, Ohio to Category:Newspapers published in Cincinnati, Ohio

Propose renaming Category:Newspapers of Cleveland to Category:Newspapers published in Cleveland, Ohio

Propose renaming Category:Newspapers of Columbus, Ohio to Category:Newspapers published in Columbus, Ohio

Propose renaming Category:Newspapers in Dallas-Fort Worth to Category:Newspapers published in Dallas-Fort Worth, Texas

Propose renaming Category:Newspapers of Davao City to Category:Newspapers published in Davao City

Propose renaming Category:Newspapers of Delhi to Category:Newspapers published in Delhi

Propose renaming Category:Newspapers of Detroit to Category:Newspapers published in Detroit, Michigan

Propose renaming Category:Newspapers of Guayaquil to Category:Newspapers published in Guayaquil

Propose renaming Category:Newspapers in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania to Category:Newspapers published in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania

Propose renaming Category:Newspapers of Kolkata to Category:Newspapers published in Kolkata

Propose renaming Category:Newspapers in Las Vegas to Category:Newspapers published in Las Vegas, Nevada

Propose renaming Category:Newspapers of Metro Manila to Category:Newspapers published in Metro Manila

Propose renaming Category:Newspapers of Mumbai to Category:Newspapers published in Mumbai

Propose renaming Category:New York City newspapers to Category:Newspapers published in New York City

Propose renaming Category:Oklahoma City newspapers to Category:Newspapers published in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma

Propose renaming Category:Newspapers published in Omaha to Category:Newspapers published in Omaha, Nebraska

Propose renaming Category:Newspapers in Philadelphia to Category:Newspapers published in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

Propose renaming Category:Newspapers published in Pittsburgh to Category:Newspapers published in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania

Propose renaming Category:Seattle newspapers to Category:Newspapers published in Seattle, Washington

Propose renaming Category:Newspapers of Shanghai to Category:Newspapers published in Shanghai

Propose renaming Category:Los Angeles area newspapers to Category:Newspapers published in the Greater Los Angeles Area

Propose renaming Category:San Francisco Bay Area newspapers to Category:Newspapers published in the San Francisco Bay Area

Propose renaming Category:Newspapers in Mali to Category:Newspapers published in Mali

Propose renaming Category:Defunct newspapers of Chicago to Category:Defunct newspapers of Chicago, Illinois

Propose renaming Category:Defunct newspapers of Dallas-Fort Worth to Category:Defunct newspapers of Dallas-Fort Worth, Texas

Propose renaming Category:Defunct newspapers in Missouri to Category:Defunct newspapers of Missouri

Propose renaming Category:Defunct New York City newspapers to Category:Defunct newspapers of New York City

Nominator's rationale: There’s no clear convention for newspaper categories by city, so I’ll suggest they follow the “Newspapers published in X” pattern like the by-state categories. I also picked a way to handle the defunct ones similar to Category:Defunct newspapers of Kentucky. Other suggestions welcome.--Mike Selinker (talk) 00:56, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Comment. Not sure of the defunct ones. Maybe something along the lines of Category:Newspapers formerly published in Chicago, Illinois? Vegaswikian (talk) 03:15, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Hey, hey! I had the exact same thought when I was looking at this a couple of hours ago. It hits the nail squarely on the head. As for the rest of these categories... We could just sit back and wait a couple of months rather than bother with renaming them now. By then, at the rate things are going, there won't even be any daily newspapers still publishing in the United States. They're dropping like flies... Cgingold (talk) 04:37, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

True that. Anyway, I'm fine with "Newspapers formerly published in X" if people like that better. There are others in the category that would change under that scheme.--Mike Selinker (talk) 04:58, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I'm aware of that. If this small subset gets renamed in this way, then the others will need to be nominated. Do you want to modify the nomination to reflect this form? Vegaswikian (talk) 07:08, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

rename per nom. This provides information for the reader that they should not have to guess at. Hmains (talk) 04:46, 26 February 2009 (UTC)