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Question

In 1896, when he was was born, wasn't Smyrna Greek? The Onassis family, who were wealthy tobacco dealers, lost their belongings when Turkey took Smyrna over in 1922, which is why Aristotle left. And is Smyrna now called Smyrna, or is it called Izmir? If this is right (I'll have to check) this should go over to his bio. -- Someone else 01:55 Jan 31, 2003 (UTC)

Smyrna was part of Turkey at that time, wasn't it? Even though the city was largely Greek at the time. -- Zoe

Got it, you're right, Greece only had it from 1919-1922. I think I've got it right in the article now. I also think Aristotle Onassis spent some time in South America but I will have to dig to find out doing what/when. -- Someone else 05:26 Jan 31, 2003 (UTC)

When was his birthday?

I've found both January 15 and January 19 when doing Google searches. RickK 23:47, Jan 23, 2005 (UTC)

He was born in 1900, but preteneded he was born in 1906 to escape Turkey (it behooved him to say he was 16 when he was actually 24).

CTI?

What on earth is a member of CTI? --- CTI is an important pan-european organization with close ties to Italian maffia.

Onasis had Illuminati friends?

I was reading the article on Kennedy's Assassination Theories that Onasis had friends in the Illuminati. Can anyone elaborate and maybe include this in the article? --CanesOL79 02:45, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

What is missing

The fact his daughter died.

Details of his huge shipping Empire - there are non.

kennedy intrigue and speculation

How big estimates of his wealth are

Athina and how she is to inherit through an on-going court case.

• Onasis' extensive (and allegedly rule-breaking) whaling enterprise

• Taking over and running for several years Monaco's Societe des Bains de Mer (SBM)

• How Prince Rainier III screwed him out of control of the SBM Dick Kimball (talk) 21:03, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

1900 till 1975 = 69 years?

Someone should correct this...

If the above information is correct, his birth year is actually 1900 which would make him 74 or 75 on his death. Someone will need to verify whether the above is indeed the case. -57.69.9.19 21:46, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

It's 1906 in multiple sources. The date's right; I fixed the age at time of death reference. PacificBoy 16:30, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

"Most famous business magnate of the 20th century"?

I don't think so. Just because there is an article that says this, it doesn't mean that a statement such as "He is the most famous" is anything more than someone's personal opinion... 68.193.87.97 03:05, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

I came here to note exactly the same thing. "Most famous" is not an encyclopedic fact. JeramieHicks (talk) 20:22, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

We have already changed this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.19.0.155 (talk) 16:59, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Whe must add

1. He was the first one who built the super-tankers
2. He was involved with George Papadopoulus general and president of Greece
3. He was involved with wales fishing
4. He bought a huge part of Monte Carlo —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.51.106.223 (talk) 04:10, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

4. Not exactly. Through a number of front agents around the world he managed to buy a controlling interest in
   Monaco's Societe des Bains de Mer (SBM), which owns the Grand Casino, several of Monaco's finest hotels, and a
   good deal of monagasque real estate. After several years of abiding Onassis's control of the SBM, and calling the
   prince by his Christian name, Prince Rainier ordered the SBM to issue a lot of additional shares and give them to
   him, thus diluting Onassis' holdings so that he no longer controlled the SBM. Dick Kimball (talk) 21:14, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

First big step

I removed this "After hearing a call from an Argentinian film distributor and a senior executive at Paramount in New York about the film star Rudolph Valentino, " as I could not see wehat it had to do with his importing tobacco from Turkey. if the connection can be established we can re-entert he material. Thanks, SqueakBox 18:53, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for participation... This information is present in Onassis offical Biography, by Peter Evans, and its present in Onassis Biography in DVD too —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alex Rio Brazil (talk • contribs) 12:26, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Yes but what does it mean? The link has to be established in our readers minds or it remains gibberish. Thanks, SqueakBox 14:40, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

It means that everything from orient was on top at that time, so, he had the idea of importing tobacco from the orient

Huge money

I've flooded this paraghaph in order to shut up El Greko. If someone can make it a better way, please, go foward. All this section come from the same place in official biography —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alex Rio Brazil (talk • contribs) 01:33, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Brazil is the first country in this biography

Well... Looks like im the only one who is inserting more information in this biography. Thanks for the revision that people are making in the text. I wish more people could help in this important article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alex Rio Brazil (talk • contribs) 02:08, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

• I have a question: was family of the Onassis from Cappadocia or were they still in Ionia, or just a part of his family were Cappadocians? thanks --213.151.217.138 (talk) 16:18, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Cleanup as per tag

Hi, have been wikifying and making prose more grammatical where relevant. For 201.19.126.113, please don't simply revert straight away (diff here), a minor change that's been explained in the edit box and is about wikifying according to WP:MOS. It will be treated as vandalism. If you want to practise editing, use the WP:SANDBOX. The tag asks for copy editing, if you revert please give reasons. Please understand that wikifying is no insult to someone's writing, but bringing copy into conformity with house style. Julia Rossi (talk) 00:39, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Detail

Changed "after hearing a call from" because it's either "hearing from" someone, or getting a call as in "After a call from...". Took it to mean he spoke with this person – unless he heard an announcement of some kind. Onassis is such an icon, look forward to seeing this article grow, Julia Rossi (talk) 01:13, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Is it time?

It may be time that this article is moved from start to some other, maybe B, class. I see it as a FA candidate with more work such as including Aristotle's approach to business meetings, the way he dealt with business associates, captured opportunties (could be expanded) by someone more familiar with his operations. Julia Rossi (talk) 07:58, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

1906 date of birth

Many Greeks left Turkey very quickly, regardless of their ages. Thus the reason given seems to be wrong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.149.223.218 (talk) 14:09, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Illuminati query from above

This search links the family but don't have time right now to investigate how reliable these sources (blogs?) are yet. Julia Rossi (talk) 08:14, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Problems with the recent addition of the The Greek Colonel Affair section.

I copy the section here to highlight my concerns with the section. Objections/comments follow after each problem sentence/section.

The Greek Colonel Affair

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Four days after his marriage with Jacqueline, Onassis was in the back of a Mercedes-Benz with Colonel George Papadopoulos plus 350 armed men from the colonel's personal body guard.

Comment: What exactly is this supposed to indicate? How encyclopedic is this information? Being in a Mercedes carries no useful information and it is not encyclopedic.

Onassis employees called this encounter "the second honey moon".

Comment: What encounter? Why was this called the second honeymoon? What was discussed in the car? How reliable is this account? What kind of a book is this? Why is there no other reliable source referring to this "encounter" available to cross reference this? What is the page number? etc. etc.

Papadopoulos was on Ari's extensive bribe list, and had received in "comodatus" a huge vilage in Lagonissi.

Comment: No other source on the internet asserts this. Only this book. With no page numbers provided either. And what is a "comodatus"?

Onassis and Papadopolus were planning what they called the "greatest business" of Greece. This project involved building an oil refinery, shipyards, power plants, and several aluminum facilities. This project had the official name of the Omega Project.

Comment: No other source on the internet refers to the "Omega Project".

The Omega Project was heavily critcized by people like Helen Vilachos, a journalist from Athens, who was under house arrest. She said that Greece was being sold as a "genuine bargain".

Comment: No other source on the internet refers to this reaction by Helen Vlachos.

By this time, and after his last marriage Onassis had lost any sense of proportion.

Comment: Proportion in regards to what? How is this related to the other claims?

In the words of an executive high up in Alcoa, "He seems to think that we have to agree with anything in order to receive a dinner invite with him and Jacqueline aboard the Christina. Obviously he saw in that marriage a way to boost his career."

Comment: What does Alcoa have to do with the rest of the claims in this section?

The negotiations lasted for months and ended with Onassis losing part of the project to his arch enemy Niarchos, who in Onassis' words, had to "Put in his *** before he puts in mine"

Comment: Negotiations with whom? Since it is claimed that he had Papadopoulos on the payroll and he had a honeymoon with him why did he need negotiations? How encyclopedic are the expletives which were deleted?

Part of the insucess in this case was due to Onassis OPM formula which created opposion from important people like Ioannis-Orlandos Rodinos, Deputy Minister of the National Economy, who severely opposed Onassis' offers in preference to Niarchos' ones.

Comment:What exactly is an OPM formula?

Conclusion: Quite apart from syntactical and grammatical errors this section simply does not make much sense. It is based on an obscure book with a 1986 print date, and its unusual and radical claims cannot be found anywhere on the internet. It should be removed. Dr.K. logos 17:25, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Well.... I dont know where did you came from. But before writing adjetives to this book, how about buy it and read a bit? You can buy it at Amazon. Thats the official biography payed by Onassis itself.

I don't know where you came from either and frankly I don't care. But you cannot keep removing these tags without giving an explanation for each and every point I made above. I just reported you at the WP:AN3RR noticeboard. Dr.K. logos 23:08, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

This tags are not facts... Are oppinions of your self that you are using to flood the text. You have never ever made any contribuction to this article. So respect the one who has worked it from the begining. Just dont simply drop yourself here here from no where saying that an official biography is a obscure book. It just show how you totally ignore important things. Read before. It will be better to you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.19.242.28 (talk) 00:27, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Please answer my questions above. One by one if you don't mind. As far as respecting the one who has worked here from the beginning no one WP:OWNs this article. And anyway this article like every other on Misplaced Pages has many contributors. Who are you referring to exactly? Dr.K. logos 00:52, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

citations and page numbers

You'll find page numbers in the edit text within references; which is why a different ref name is given and the refs seem repetitive. I think I brought up the need to find an elegant way to streamline this on this page asking if there is a way to use ref name with page numbers, but it seems to have vanished. And I don't know how to do it though an article I came across did have this style. (Now can't find it, arrgh!) Maybe the help desk or computer desk might be able to help. Btw, it is the "one book", by Peter Evans, but it seems to be the definitive biography in English.

Some comments fwiw: I cleaned up the syntax and grammar. Which version were you pasting? In good faith edits, imho, it helps to give other editors time to do this work before damning it out of hand – not every editor is a native English speaker. About WP:OWN, of course they don't own it. Doesn't mean it's easy to see one's work hit the dust though (and it isn't me btw). Try to calm down, guys. Just saying, Julia Rossi (talk) 09:30, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Went back and found I only did half a job. Hid the Niarchos quote until someone wants to ditch it. Now is more encyclopedic. Took out house arrest because the article is not about her, and the army of goons is just "around". Cleaned up some more but the formula still a mystery. Would like to remove the tag about unencyclopedic language if no-one objects. Julia Rossi (talk) 10:15, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

I totally agree with Julia. The text is completly encyclopedic now.

I don't agree at all. You still have not answered any of of my questions above. The section is still an incoherent mess. Without the tags the readers are going to be scratching their collective heads for a long time. And please do not remove the tags because as the primary author of this disputed section you have a conflict of interest. If you continue edit warring I will take this to WP:RFC as well as report it to WP:3RR. Dr.K. logos 01:20, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

@Julia: You have done an excellent job but the section is still an incoherent mess with seemingly unrelated and contradictory statements. You removed the expletive section but we still have the Alcoa guy's comments. What do they have to do with the narrative of the section? How is it possible for Papadopoulos to get a whole village in Lagonissi from Onassis and nobody else on the internet to write about it? What is a "comodatus"? What is the OPM formula? How did Papadopoulos give the deal to Niarchos if he had a second honeymoon with, and he was in the payroll of, Onassis? Julia, I thank you for your efforts and your finesse for asking about the removal of the unencyclopedic tag. Unfortunately the whole section is so badly written that no amount of copy-editing can currently save it. The tags have to remain until these questions are answered. Dr.K. logos 02:00, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Completly right. Now we'll use the same laws in other articles. Better hurry up now. You have a lot of work to do.

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