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Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Ayn_Rand

The editing environment at Ayn Rand has begun to rapidly degenerate yet again. Personal attacks, insults and accusations of bad faith are flying, and large series of edits are being made to the article without consultation on the talk page. I would like to urgently request administrator intervention to help enforce the recent ArbCom ruling. TallNapoleon (talk) 08:06, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

AA2 breach

Rather amusing that Brandspoyt below selectively chose who was at fault in the edit wars. For all that, let's not forget that Elsanaturk (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) is essentially a revert warrior who pops in and out of articles, without really adding any material. As a party to AA as well as AA2 and despite numerous warnings, he reverted no less than three times on the same article below , , , without contributing anything to the article's talk page. According to decisions made in AA2, "any uninvolved administrator may, on his or her own discretion, impose sanctions on any editor working in the area of conflict if, despite being warned, that editor repeatedly or seriously fails to adhere to the purpose of Misplaced Pages, any expected standards of behavior, or any normal editorial process." A similar pattern of war-reverts seems to exist among other articles as well.--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 19:25, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Could you provide us with diffs for the "numerous warnings", as well as for any recent disruptive conduct, other than that edit war, that would warrant AA2 sanctions? Also, please notify Elsanaturk of this thread.  Sandstein  19:37, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Ignoring Meowy's pleas, the "numerous" warnings refer to his knowledge of the 3RR rule and the guidelines in place of AA see here. Blind reverts have taken place here and here as well recently (the latter edit doesn't even distinguish that the fact that seven cited sources support the exact opposite of his reverts).--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 20:10, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Not actionable. You provide no diffs of warnings given to Elsanaturk, only one revert by him and one other edit (which is not in fact a revert) that it seems you object to because you disagree with it. In other words, you provide no evidence of continued disruption that would warrant a sanction. Please do not misuse this noticeboard for frivolous requests, or you may yourself be made subject to sanctions.  Sandstein  21:32, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

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AA2 breach

On Oct 18, 2007 Meowy (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) was placed termlessly under AA2 restrictions and is listed among people placed under the editing restrictions. He was limited to one revert per page per week, excepting obvious vandalism, but recently made three reverts in two days at the same page: , , . Despite Meowy's appeals for sticking to talk it was him who resorted to edit-warring. Previously he removed other user’s comment at AfD discussion, allegedly because he did not like it. According to AA2 decision, any uninvolved administrator may, on his or her own discretion, impose sanctions on any editor working in the area of conflict if, despite being warned, that editor repeatedly or seriously fails to adhere to the purpose of Misplaced Pages, any expected standards of behavior, or any normal editorial process. brandспойт 13:59, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Y Blocked for 48 hours for the revert restriction violation.  Sandstein  14:10, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

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Breech of sanctions

Enforcement request moot because I have applied an ordinary edit-warring block of one month's duration for the conduct at issue.  Sandstein  07:37, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Arbcom case: The Troubles.

"All articles related to The Troubles, defined as: any article that could be reasonably construed as being related to The Troubles, Irish nationalism, the Baronetcies, and British nationalism in relation to Ireland falls under 1RR. When in doubt, assume it is related."

Mooretwin (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Mooretwin has twice reverted back to his preferred version in less than 24 hours, first revert. second revert and third revert. He is well aware of the 1RR sanction after being blocked for breeching it several times. --Domer48_'fenian' 22:44, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Please provide all information required per "Using this page", above, or this request will be closed.  Sandstein  07:41, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

What more information do you need, the report looks complete to me? Note that Mooretwin has now made his third revert in less than 24 hours. O Fenian (talk) 10:51, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Mooretwin has been behaving this way on various Irish related articles for some time and seems indifferent to multiple bans. It must surely be time to consider a longer term deterrent. --Snowded (talk) 11:08, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

I agree O Fenian, but however. I've added additional information, if User:Sandstein wants me to add all the warnings, final warnings and blocks, they need only ask. --Domer48_'fenian' 13:32, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

I have addressed all of User:Sandstein requests. --Domer48_'fenian' 18:10, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

No, you haven't. The instructions request you to provide "a brief summary of how this behavior is linked to the principles, findings of fact, remedies, and/or enforcement mechanism of the arbitration case." I see no such information here. How did the user, by making the edits that you link to, violate arbitration remedies or sanctions, and which?  Sandstein  21:56, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

He did right at the top. The article falls under 1RR, 1 revert per 24 hours, Mooretwin has made 3 reverts in less than 24 hours. And I provided less information for a breach of the same sanction from the same case in the section below, and that was dealt with. O Fenian (talk) 22:20, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

... Yes, I see. This request is inartfully composed in that it does not make clear that the block of text starting with "All articles related to The Troubles,..." is the operative arbitration remedy of that case. What I expect to see in a request for arbitration enforcement is a statement like:

"User:X made the following edits which violate remedy no. X in arbitration case Y , according to which , because ."

The request below I forgot; apparently, the operative remedy was linked to in the first diff provided, allowing me to deal with the case.

This may sound bureaucratic, but I do not know all these cases by heart, and I do not wish to comb through them a second more than absolutely necessary. It's incumbent upon those requesting enforcement to do this. This allows us to filter out the many frivolous requests we get here as fast as possible.

In this particular case, I would still expect to be provided with the explanation the rules request. As a non-knowledgeable admin, I'd need an explanation for such things as how does this Easter Rising, which happened in 1916, relate to The Troubles, which according to its article happened from the 1960s onwards.

Meanwhile, I have blocked Mooretwin (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) for a month for simple editwarring on that article, taking into account his repeated blocks for similar conduct.  Sandstein  23:26, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Ah I see. Well the final remedies define "The Troubles" as "any article that could be reasonably construed as being related to The Troubles, Irish nationalism, the Baronetcies, and British nationalism in relation to Ireland", which does include the Easter Rising. I agree this could have been made more clear though. O Fenian (talk) 23:57, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Domer48, I have removed () your duplicate request above (). Please do not disrupt this noticeboard by adding redundant requests.  Sandstein  23:41, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

I added the request before you had addressed this one. In addition, it was a completely different Breech on a different article. Admins are supposed to log sanction breeches here which result in blocks, I hope that helps. --Domer48_'fenian' 23:45, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Oh, OK, that was not apparent from the request as it appeared on-screen, because it did not include the name of the article at issue. For the next time you want to request enforcement, please review my advice on how to compose proper AE requests above. The block I just made needs no logging because it was not made in enforcement of an arbitration remedy, but rather in enforcement of general policy against editwarring.  Sandstein  23:59, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

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Definition of 'recently edited in relation to Abtract and Alastair Haines

OK, as I am a friend of Alastair I am involved, but thought I would point out this series of edits by Abtract which would appear to be in violation of this ruling, although Alastair last edited on the page a month previous. Anyway, I will leave it for someone impartial to decide. Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:44, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

In addition, how about Alastair's edit followed by Abtract's revert four days later. Abtract was blocked two weeks in January by Shell Kinney. It seems that the ruling is being gamed. Alastair came to the article before Abtract, as far as I can tell, reviewing the history back one year. The block will be a month, the maximum allowed by the ruling. Jehochman 10:57, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Looks like this is an edit war from prior to the arbitration ruling:

• 22:23, 22 February 2009 Abtract (remove text that has been disputed for several months)
• 04:04, 18 February 2009 Alastair Haines (restore undisputed text)
• 19:06, 24 January 2009 Abtract (remove disputed ideas with no citation)
• 20:20, 20 December 2008 Casliber (leave a fact tag then - text can be analysed better if present rather than absent - some of it I have read before IIRC)
• 08:23, 19 December 2008 Abtract (remove OR and POV)
• 23:10, 18 December 2008 Alastair Haines (restore description of notability)
• 08:35, 25 November 2008 Abtract (rv renewed attempt to introduce pov which isn't that relevant even were it to be properly cited)
• 02:41, 25 November 2008 Alastair Haines (Undid revision 253440542 by Abtract (talk) please provide sources for alternative views you are aware of ... and add them! :))
• 19:07, 22 November 2008 Abtract (remove para laced with pov)
• 06:56, 2 May 2008 Alastair Haines (multi-ref)
• 00:20, 2 May 2008 Alastair Haines (+chastity)

A look at the discussion page does appear to indicate that the chastity paragraph was disputed in November and December, and undiscussed since then. So "restore undisputed text" does not seem to be an accurate edit summary. Alastair Haines' edits appear to be contrary to Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Alastair Haines#Alastair Haines restricted (discuss any content reversions on the page's talk page) and the final sentence of Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Alastair Haines#Motion re Abtract (avoid any unnecessary interaction with Abtract). -- JHunterJ (talk) 12:53, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

I disagree. Looking deeper, I saw that Abtract came to the article only after Alastair was already involved. It seems like Abtract showed up in November, mainly to annoy Alastair. In December, a motion was passed to precisely address that sort of behavior. I would think that Abtract should have taken the point and not continued the harassment of Alastair that was in progress. You say the content was disputed. To me, what Alastair added was a clear definition of terminology, the kind of content that helps provide context and makes an article more readable. Did anybody besides Abtract object to that content? Jehochman 15:12, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

I was not arguing against the sanction of Abtract; I've had to block him in the past too. But the arbitration outcome for Alastair Haines' does not mention that content reversions need not be discusses if he's reverting Abtract, or that he is to avoid unnecessary interaction with Abtract unless no other editor is on Abtract's side. And finally, I did see that BananaFiend also objected to the content on 10:42, 25 November 2008 (UTC) (and again later) on the Talk page, which is why I observed that the content was disputed. Alastair Haines should have taken the point and not restarted the edit war (18 December) without discussion right after the motion re Abtract was finished (17 December). -- JHunterJ (talk) 15:37, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Yes, it does take two editors to make an edit war. Would you warn Alastair about this behavior (since you noticed it), or place whatever sanction you see fit. Jehochman 15:39, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Blocked 1 week. -- JHunterJ (talk) 18:50, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

A fairly thorough investigation of the overlapping edits prior to the motion being passed was done by myself and Ncmvocalist during the request for clarification, but last time I went looking for it on the talk page (where it should be archived, I think), it appeared to be missing. John Vandenberg 16:02, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Clerk must have missed it, added at Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_arbitration/Alastair_Haines#Motion_re_Abtract. MBisanz 06:44, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

• Comment (first contrib evidence links): according to this page contrib tool Alastair Haines first edited on 2007-10-25 and Abtract first edited about a year later on 2008-11-22 . Same goes for the talk page . R. Baley (talk) 17:53, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Erm, this block is five weeks after the edit in question - and refers to an editor (Abtract) who has been before arbcom for harassing other editors as well as Alastair - furthermore, the evidence against 'undisputed', namely the editor Bananafiend, made one comment in this section which came across as thoughtful and doubtful rather than opposed (and this is in November 2008), and he has never edited the article. This impresses as very tenuous grounds for a one week block (which I personally feel is unwarranted), but I acknowledge I am not impartial. Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:08, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Both blocks are roughly the same time-distance from the latest contributions to the edit war, and both contributors are violating the terms of the arbitration. BananaFiend's participation in the discussion IMO has no bearing on either Abtract's or Alastair Haines' part of the slow edit war. Alastair Haines was to discuss any content reversions on the page's talk page and avoid any unnecessary interaction with Abtract. Since they've already been through arbitration, and Alastair Haines' last two blocks from that arbitration were both 48hrs, I though 1w was a viable duration for this one. But I'm hardly active in this space (and only discovered it because I watch Abtract's Talk page, from back when I had my own disputes with him), so I'd be happy to get some mentoring from other admins about it. -- JHunterJ (talk) 17:29, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

We certainly need more hands here at AE, especially at some of the more complicated cases. I have state my opinion on the block, but I am unable to be unbiased here, so will ask someone uninvolved (who I thought would have turned up by now). Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:55, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Well, my block was for an edit on March 21 that continued a prior pattern. The diffs I cited from February were an earlier part of that pattern. I think it would be a good idea to offer to unblock Alastair if they agree not to edit war. I offered to unblock Abtract on certain conditions as well. Jehochman 20:40, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

I made the analogous offer. -- JHunterJ (talk) 23:05, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

• I think we're going to need to have a serious look at Alastair's situation. He has been blocked a number of times since the ruling because he disputes it and continues to do so. Have a look at Alastair's exchange with myself and JHunterJ. What are the ways forward here?--Cailil 18:21, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

• I didn't know this discussion was happening; I stumbled upon it when someone made a link to AE from AN - if I knew, I'd have definitely tried to look into this one when it was opened. As an update, Abtract continues to remain blocked for a week, while Alastair Haines original 1 week block has been extended to indef by Fram for 'making legal threats'. As I'm uninvolved but still know the merits of both disputes, I can review this in about 48 hours - I'll understand if that's too long to wait for the original 1 week blocks, but that's all I can offer at this point (sorry). Ncmvocalist (talk) 13:47, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

• • Good blocks all around.
  • Abtract should've backed off and not continued editing where Alastair Haines was editing. His response here suggests that he will continue to engage in conduct that may be deemed as harassment - one of the reasons Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Abtract-Collectonian was opened (he has attempted to game the non-voluntary restriction that was imposed on him). The block was needed.
  • Alastair Haines on the other hand continued to violate his own sanctions. I previously left an "additional comment" (see here) for John (and Casliber) noting that if (1) Alastair did not understand what the problems are, and (2) did not have the willingness/ability to deal with those problems, he would find himself prevented from editing. It seems that it has come to the point where my words have come into effect (again); Alastair failed to give enough regard to the remedy that was imposed wrt Abtract (for Alastair's own benefit), but Alastair also apparently still has issues he needs to deal with when it comes to legal threats - one of the original reasons Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Alastair_Haines was opened. The block, and block extension, were needed.
  • As such, I fail to see any reason that warrants lifting these blocks, and consider that this can be marked resolved. Ncmvocalist (talk) 13:24, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

The Original Wildbear

• The Original Wildbear (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

The user's page states, Promoting accuracy in information. They have been disrupting Talk:Collapse of the World Trade Center with tendentious, repetitious arguments. It is highly disruptive to repeat the same rejected proposals over and over again. We've seen this pattern many times before. I request that this account be banned from all 9/11 pages under WP:ARB9/11's discretionary sanctions. Thank you. Jehochman 08:35, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Each single-purpose account that shows up beating the drum for the conspiracy theories should be warned once, and then banned from the 9/11 pages. There's no reason to keep going through this again and again. Tom Harrison 01:35, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

See for example User:DawnisuponUS. Tom Harrison 02:04, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Who apparently had experience of editing Misplaced Pages before that account was created. Dougweller (talk) 18:31, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, some of the accounts appearing at this venue appear to be similar in personality to prior accounts that were banned. Jehochman 19:18, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Could you or another administrator please give the user an official warning. That way they cannot claim lack of warning next time. There is in fact a warning about WP:NOR and 9/11 on their talk page at this very moment, but it does not specificly mention the arbitration case. Jehochman 18:18, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Is there proof that The Original Wildbear is User:DawnisuponUS? A cursory inspection indicates although there is a small overlap they edit at different times of day. Is "similar in personality" to a banned user a criteria for banning another user? Is it good faith to request a user be warned without any proof he has done anything to warrant a warning "just in case"? As you say "some of the accounts appearing at this venue" in the plural I assume you mean me as I'm the only one outside of your own supporters posting. Justify or retract the accusation. Wayne (talk) 07:57, 30 March 2009 (UTC)