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| (outindent)Secondly, I suggest you take back your insult of calling me a hypocrite, as it is against our policy of ] and our ] policy.— ''']]<sup> ]</sup>''' 10:25, 31 March 2009 (UTC) | (outindent)Secondly, I suggest you take back your insult of calling me a hypocrite, as it is against our policy of ] and our ] policy.— ''']]<sup> ]</sup>''' 10:25, 31 March 2009 (UTC) | ||
| TPTanque, although I appreciate you discussing this with other users and trying to understand the policy better, at the same time you then proceeded to disregard all the warnings and continued to add links to YouTube. This is unaccepatable, whether you disagree with everyone or not. Feel free to continue the discussion, but as far as I'm concerned, you're now one YouTube link away from a block. <b>]</b><sup>]</sup>/<sub>]</sub> 12:39, 31 March 2009 (UTC) | |||
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Linking to YouTube
Please stop adding links to YouTube clips (read WP:EL for rules on what's allowed with links), and, whatever you do, do NOT mark edits like that as "minor." The minor check box should only be for the smallest edits that you know nobody could potentially find controversial (like correcting a typo on a single letter, for example). Marking those as minor means you are purposefully having your edits hidden from people who have their settings at the "ignore minor edits" option. DreamGuy (talk) 20:54, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
- I want to reiterate what others have told you. Stop adding the links. If you keep it up, it's likely to lead to a block. Jauerback/dude. 00:20, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
- You can be blocked because that violates our copyright rules. This is your last warning, continue and you will be blocked. You are obviously new here, I would think that you should take a warning from several users, and admins, that have been here longer and likely know policy better than you. As I said, this is your last warning, stop, or you will be blocked to prevent further damage to the encyclopedia.— Dædαlus 05:18, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
- If violates our copyright rules, and our policies concerning external links. Add them again and I can guarantee that you will find yourself blocked very soon for continued disruptive editing. You have been warned by an admin to stop, so you better stop.— Dædαlus 05:25, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
- Why am I being so mean to you? Several other editor have told you to stop. You refuse to listen to them, and not only that, you have labeled one of their edits as vandalism when it clearly isn't. I am not assuming good faith of you when you outright refuse to listen when told to stop, and then insult another editor like you did. It was clearly explained to you why these links violate our policy, but let me just add one iota more to why they violate our policy. They cannot be used as references, as youtube is not a reliable sources, as videos can be edited to change meaning, or suit whatever they were cited for. You have been warned by several of us, who have been here for years. I suggest you listen to us and stop asserting your right.— Dædαlus 05:38, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
- Another reason I'm showing you hostility, is, even after you were told to stop by an admin, along with several users at the noticeboards, you went ahead and did it anyway. As to insulting another editor, per our policy, adding such links, especially when told not to, can be perceived as vandalism. Lastly, I suggest you read WP:NPA and WP:CIVIL. You do not have the right to attack back. If you are attacked, or feel you are attacked, you remain civil. Period.— Dædαlus 05:48, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
- No, and if you do, you'll be blocked for disruptive editing. As to policy, I, along with others, have linked you to the relevant policies several times. There is no evidence to back up your claim that this is the record label's account, and therefor, per our policy concerning copyrighted material, they cannot be linked. If you can come up sound evidence proving that this is indeed the record label's account(take note, an email won't do, as it is unverifiable), and you post the evidence to ANI, and gain consensus there for the edits, then you can. But as I said earlier, do not revert me with an edit summery of vandalism, otherwise you will only make things worse for yourself.— Dædαlus 06:09, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
- Because I'm not editing disruptively. You however are. I have already linked to the relevant policies, but I shall do so again: This is particularly relevant when linking to sites such as YouTube, where due care should be taken to avoid linking to material that violates its creator's copyright. You say there is no evidence proving that that youtube account is not that of the label. You're absolutely wrong. There is plain evidence as there is a lack of evidence. One of our core policies here is verifiability. Now, as I'm sure you know, we, along with anyone else, can be sued for posting material which infringes one's copyright. Unless you have hard evidence that this account is that of the label, we cannot host the link. Period.— Dædαlus 06:40, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
- We are Misplaced Pages, we are not myspace. We only worry about Misplaced Pages, so your argument about the other sites is moot. And no, you are not right. First of all, I suggest you read WP:DISRUPT, as it plainly outlines what you were doing: continues editing an article or group of articles in pursuit of a certain point for an extended time despite opposition from one or more other editors. Tendentious editing does not consist only of adding material; some tendentious editors engage in disruptive deletions as well.. What you were doing was disruptive, pure and simple. Your word against this does not work, as you are likely to always speak in favor of yourself. Since it is not verifiable that that account is that of the Record Label, we can only assume that it is a copyright infringement. That is what it has been decided as, I realize you have stopped, but you also refuse to get the point. Just because you believe something to be legit does not mean it is. If you want the links included, you must provide us with verifiable evidence, period.— Dædαlus 07:05, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
- You are the one trying to insert the information, therefore the burden of evidence is on you, not me. Stop trying to twist things so you can get your way, it won't work. As to why I'm not, did you not here me? I am not in charge of myspace or the other site you mentioned. Your argument of I won't do it unless you do it wont work here, as, as I said above, the burden of evidence is on the editor who is trying to add the content.. It is very simple, you either prove that what you say is true, and you can add the link if the evidence you supplied meets our policy regarding such(It is verifiable and from a reliable source), or you don't, and you can't. Trying to push me around so you can get your way isn't going to work, so I suggest you give up on that unless you can provide us with proof. Now, I also suggest you read up on what consensus is here on wikipedia, as currently, it is against you. If you continue this trend of disruptive editing against consensus, then you will be blocked from editing, it is as simple as that.— Dædαlus 10:16, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
- We are Misplaced Pages, we are not myspace. We only worry about Misplaced Pages, so your argument about the other sites is moot. And no, you are not right. First of all, I suggest you read WP:DISRUPT, as it plainly outlines what you were doing: continues editing an article or group of articles in pursuit of a certain point for an extended time despite opposition from one or more other editors. Tendentious editing does not consist only of adding material; some tendentious editors engage in disruptive deletions as well.. What you were doing was disruptive, pure and simple. Your word against this does not work, as you are likely to always speak in favor of yourself. Since it is not verifiable that that account is that of the Record Label, we can only assume that it is a copyright infringement. That is what it has been decided as, I realize you have stopped, but you also refuse to get the point. Just because you believe something to be legit does not mean it is. If you want the links included, you must provide us with verifiable evidence, period.— Dædαlus 07:05, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
- Because I'm not editing disruptively. You however are. I have already linked to the relevant policies, but I shall do so again: This is particularly relevant when linking to sites such as YouTube, where due care should be taken to avoid linking to material that violates its creator's copyright. You say there is no evidence proving that that youtube account is not that of the label. You're absolutely wrong. There is plain evidence as there is a lack of evidence. One of our core policies here is verifiability. Now, as I'm sure you know, we, along with anyone else, can be sued for posting material which infringes one's copyright. Unless you have hard evidence that this account is that of the label, we cannot host the link. Period.— Dædαlus 06:40, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
- No, and if you do, you'll be blocked for disruptive editing. As to policy, I, along with others, have linked you to the relevant policies several times. There is no evidence to back up your claim that this is the record label's account, and therefor, per our policy concerning copyrighted material, they cannot be linked. If you can come up sound evidence proving that this is indeed the record label's account(take note, an email won't do, as it is unverifiable), and you post the evidence to ANI, and gain consensus there for the edits, then you can. But as I said earlier, do not revert me with an edit summery of vandalism, otherwise you will only make things worse for yourself.— Dædαlus 06:09, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
- Another reason I'm showing you hostility, is, even after you were told to stop by an admin, along with several users at the noticeboards, you went ahead and did it anyway. As to insulting another editor, per our policy, adding such links, especially when told not to, can be perceived as vandalism. Lastly, I suggest you read WP:NPA and WP:CIVIL. You do not have the right to attack back. If you are attacked, or feel you are attacked, you remain civil. Period.— Dædαlus 05:48, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
- Why am I being so mean to you? Several other editor have told you to stop. You refuse to listen to them, and not only that, you have labeled one of their edits as vandalism when it clearly isn't. I am not assuming good faith of you when you outright refuse to listen when told to stop, and then insult another editor like you did. It was clearly explained to you why these links violate our policy, but let me just add one iota more to why they violate our policy. They cannot be used as references, as youtube is not a reliable sources, as videos can be edited to change meaning, or suit whatever they were cited for. You have been warned by several of us, who have been here for years. I suggest you listen to us and stop asserting your right.— Dædαlus 05:38, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
- If violates our copyright rules, and our policies concerning external links. Add them again and I can guarantee that you will find yourself blocked very soon for continued disruptive editing. You have been warned by an admin to stop, so you better stop.— Dædαlus 05:25, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
- You can be blocked because that violates our copyright rules. This is your last warning, continue and you will be blocked. You are obviously new here, I would think that you should take a warning from several users, and admins, that have been here longer and likely know policy better than you. As I said, this is your last warning, stop, or you will be blocked to prevent further damage to the encyclopedia.— Dædαlus 05:18, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
(outindent)Secondly, I suggest you take back your insult of calling me a hypocrite, as it is against our policy of no personal attacks and our civility policy.— Dædαlus 10:25, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
TPTanque, although I appreciate you discussing this with other users and trying to understand the policy better, at the same time you then proceeded to disregard all the warnings and continued to add links to YouTube. This is unaccepatable, whether you disagree with everyone or not. Feel free to continue the discussion, but as far as I'm concerned, you're now one YouTube link away from a block. Jauerback/dude. 12:39, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
Outside view
TPT, you need to stop, and pronto. This is not how discussions should evolve. You think that YouTube vids should be allowed, we get that. However, the current consensus throughout the Misplaced Pages community - tens of thousands in the Wiki-en alone are of the opinion that they should not be. You will forgive me for observing that this sounds like shouting at the wind. If you want to seek policy change in this regard, head to the Village Pump and seek it there, or at the very least, get a wider read on the idea. Clearly arguing here and in articles is not going to be an effective use of your time here; Daedalus is poised to block you, and then editing will be impossible. Work within the community to find a consensus; that is the only way you are going to be able to proceed. - Arcayne () 10:25, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
- And that process might have already started. You need to be informed that there is a discussion ongoing about this at Administrator's Noticeboard/Incidents. - Arcayne () 10:53, 31 March 2009 (UTC)