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NootherIDAvailable (case: Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Homeopathy)

NootherIDAvailable (talk · contribs) Single-purpose Homeopathy account. Despite being relatively new, has managed to cause massive disruption, including:

Copyvio:

This is a copyvio of http://www.britishhomeopathic.org/research/the_evidence_for_homeopathy.html, and this inserts text from http://en.citizendium.org/Homeopathy.

Edit-warring:

For instance, here he repeatedly tries to add an RFC discussion to the article page, and gets upset and edit wars when people remove the vandalism:

(reverted: ) (Rev:) (Rev:)

Recruiting:

Among other places, .

Other:

Furthermore, he doesn't actually understand basic facts about homeopathy:

Here and elsewhere he claims that succussion does not just mean shaking, but shaking with dilution. This is completely wrong: The procedure is referred to as dilution and succussion, with unsurprisingly, dilution referring to the duilution, and succussion to the shaking.

He doesn't know what he's talking about, he's inserted copyvio, he's edit-warred, recruited, and he's a single-purpose account. Homeopathy is under an article probation per Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Homeopathy. I think a lengthy topic ban (taken widely to include all alternative medicine) is the best solution: It will give him a chance to learn more about Misplaced Pages, without allowing the disruption to continue. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 18:27, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

I have been very patient with this user (not hard with everybody else being very strict), but after reviewing their first 7 edits I am afraid I agree this is not the kind of user we want around. --Hans Adler (talk) 22:01, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Comment: Citizendium is under the same copyright as wiki. Therefore anything can be cut and paste from them and this would not be a copyright violation. One is allowed to be a single purpose account and this only delutes the other arguments.

The use of the BHA quote above is however a blatant copyright violation. Cheers --Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 01:12, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

At least at present, Misplaced Pages content is licensed under the GFDL; Citizendium content is licensed under Creative Commons CC-by-sa 3.0. They're similar, but not identical. Neither license permits a user to lift parts of the work and insert it into another work, passing it off as his own, with no indication of the actual authorship. - Nunh-huh 02:02, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

It's obvious to me that this person has come here only to defend his POV, and he is not going to drop his efforts, never mind how gentle we are or how many explanations we give him. See, among others, his repeated justifications that the POV tag was removed because there weren't homeopaths back then to defend it, that homeopaths have to be happy with the article, his plead to insert the POV tag in homeopathy and, at the same time, to remove it from osteopathy, naturopathy and chiropractic , see also "you skeptics". His only contribution is distracting people who are working to improve the article. Please topic ban him. --Enric Naval (talk) 02:47, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

I agree. He doesn't understand NPOV, sourcing (used Citizendium as a source!), or how to edit collaboratively. He's chosen the confrontational path and that should lead to a topic ban at the very least. -- Fyslee (talk) 06:21, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

I haven't indulged in Edit warring nor disruptive edits. I have followed the 3 revert rule. I hope I'm given another chance if I've done something wrong (and tell me what it is). I feel the articles on chiropractic and osteopathy are NPOV and the article on Homeopathy can also be like that and that's why I asked for a POV tag on that article because like User Lykantrop and others have said almost every statement by the homeopaths has been criticised throughout the article. Please observe my behavior when I edit other articles, before banning me. Thanks in advance for the help.-NootherIDAvailable (talk) 09:04, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Let's be clear: There is no proposal to ban you from Misplaced Pages. At worst, you'll need to go work in some less-controversial fields for a time to better learn wthat Misplaced Pages is about. A topic ban forbids you from editing certain articles, but the rest of Misplaced Pages is open to you. Homeopathy is not a very good article to start with on Misplaced Pages, its controversial, and, well, you have strong views on the issue. If you spend some time in the more relaxed articles throughout the rest of Misplaced Pages, you'll find it much easier to get used to Misplaced Pages: your dislike of the Homeopathy article and, as far as I can tell, its regular editors makes it very hard for the regulars to explain Misplaced Pages policy to you, as there's too much instant conflict if one of them tries to explain a problem, because you seem to see us as the enemy. In the calmer pools of the rest of Misplaced Pages, you'll be able to pick things up much more easily, and then can come back afterwards. But you really need to spend some time learning Misplaced Pages's culture and rules before coming back to a controversial article. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 10:07, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

This editor showed obvious signs of frustration yesterday, and since they have not edited outside of this topic since July 2008 an enforced break might help. During this time they could go back to editing other articles, cool down, and prepare a few specific examples of what they want changing - saying it should be like other articles isn't helpful, and neither is asking for the removal of sourced and notable information (be them criticism or whatever). Constructive suggestions and team work are what is needed here, and I hope that per Hans I have tried to be help this user and remained patient. Verbal chat 09:39, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

In fact, there have only been three non homeopathy related edits by this account, what other article edits are we supposed to consider? I also find this edit worrying, in addition to the copyvio. Verbal chat 09:49, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Topic ban from homeopathy should be enough for now. It's up to him to decide if he wants to learn how to edit in a POV way, or if he wants to go to Chiropracty to repeat the same behaviour and get himself topic banned from all alternative medicine articles. --Enric Naval (talk) 17:27, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

There are lots of editors who come here just to defend their POV. After a few months, they hopefully learn that this is frowned upon by the community (yet some still persist). This editor is essentially a newbie and hasn't been afforded the time to learn about the intricacies of WP:NPOV and WP:COPYVIO. I am sure that all of us had committed such "sins" early on in our Wiki careers The editor has stated that he/she will stay away from Homeopathy for the time being, and since blocks/bans are supposed to be preventative and not punative, I don't see any need for such a topic ban at this time. -- Levine2112 17:36, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

P.S. I think "massive disruption" is an overstatement in describing this user's editing practice to date. Perhaps we are all being a little oversensitive here given the volatile nature of the topic (homeopathy) at Misplaced Pages. This editor is not responsible for the past homeopathic grievances, so let's not treat this new editor as if he/she were. Let's assume some good faith and realize that even diamonds have rocky beginnings. -- Levine2112 17:47, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for the support Levine. As a professionally qualified, licensed homeopathic doctor, it was irritating for me when my patients quoted from wikipedia - and when I read the article, I realised that every statement was criticised, unlike osteopathy, chiropractic etc. I'll avoid the homeopathy article for now, but do warn me if I'm doing something wrong, before I get banned. Thanks again.-NootherIDAvailable (talk) 01:19, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Repeated AA2 Breach

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Meowy (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) was placed on AA2 editing restrictions on October 18, 2007, limiting him to a 1 revert per week. After a fresh report just few days ago (still be seen just below) , Meowy again violated this restriction by trying to reinsert a disputed map by a blogger on Azerbaijan Democratic Republic page:

• 1st Revert - 01:40, 4 April 2009
• 2nd Revert - 19:55, 4 April 2009

Besides the violation of 1RR, his reverts are contrary to discussion going on the talk page, with understanding that no disputed POV maps should appear on the page until there is consensus achieved. Atabəy (talk) 07:32, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Comment: It is not "a disputed map by a blogger", but a map from Wikicommons authorized by Andrew Andersen and George Partskhaladze. Both are reliable experts on topic see for example the reviews . It looks it is not a discussion over a known publication "Atlas of Conflicts" and a map from there, but simple removal of reliable material that Meowy just returned back. Andranikpasha (talk) 12:30, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

I am familiar with Meowy's restriction, being the admin who blocked him for his latest violation of it. The edit he reverted is not except from the restriction as "obvious vandalism", since the reliability of the map he reinserted appears to be in dispute (although I am not expressing an opinion as to whether it is reliable or not). For his repeated violation of AA2 restrictions, I am blocking him for a week.  Sandstein  13:17, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Ayn Rand

72.199.110.160 is currently engaged in an edit war on the article in breech of Arbcom ruling here. The IP has been doing a lot of constructive work in improving citations, but has also been inserting material that other editors consider biased refusing to engage in any conversation despite repeated requests see here. More recently the editor has inserted a series of mini essays on objectivist philosophy. This has been discussed on the talk page here and agreement reached that the material is inappropriate. Despite this the IP has re-inserted the material here and here. The IP has refused (or rather ignored) all requests to discuss matters on the talk page of the article. Requests to do so on the IPs talk page have been completely ignored, including ones warning that failure to do so would result in the issue being raised here. This is a pattern that also occurred last December before the Arbcom ruling. The reversions are similar in number to those that earned variable length topic bans for other authors and are compounded in this case by a resolute refusal to engage in any discussion. Ideally the imposition of a topic ban or other penalty maybe the only way to get this editors attention. --Snowded (talk) 03:25, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Topic bans are social mechanisms, not software ones. If he doesn't engage in discussion odds are he won't recognize a topic ban. I would recommend a one to two day block to get his attention explaining that if he is going to continue contributing he needs to engage and not edit-war. TallNapoleon (talk) 03:44, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Given the users prior form I would be tempted to do both if it was my decision, however anything that gets the IP to engage would be appreciated. The advantage of a topic ban is that it enforces discussion as a social process and bans can then follow if the social process is ignored --Snowded (talk) 04:04, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

The editor's contributions to the Ayn Rand article and related articles have been overwhelmingly positive, and I do not think the cited behaviour can be characterised as edit-warring; they do not tend to make successive reverts, and make attempts to compromise with interlocutors. That said, their lack of willingness to participate in talkpage discussions is quite regrettable. Skomorokh 13:25, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Mainly positive yes Skomorokh, and for that reason I left reporting until they did start to make successive reverts against talk page consensus. Refusing to discuss changes on the talk page is just plain wrong and someone with some authority needs to tell them so.

I assume this section has been shaded in by mistake as no resolution is noted by the way --Snowded (talk) 14:38, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

The shading was a formatting error by me in Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Arbitration enforcement/Header. It is now fixed.  Sandstein  15:41, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

AA2 breach

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On Oct 18, 2007 Meowy (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) was placed termlessly under AA2 restrictions and is listed among people placed under the editing restrictions. He was limited to one revert per page per week, excepting obvious vandalism, but recently made three reverts in two days at the same page: , , . Despite Meowy's appeals for sticking to talk it was him who resorted to edit-warring. Previously he removed other user’s comment at AfD discussion, allegedly because he did not like it. According to AA2 decision, any uninvolved administrator may, on his or her own discretion, impose sanctions on any editor working in the area of conflict if, despite being warned, that editor repeatedly or seriously fails to adhere to the purpose of Misplaced Pages, any expected standards of behavior, or any normal editorial process. brandспойт 13:59, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Y Blocked for 48 hours for the revert restriction violation.  Sandstein  14:10, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

The Original Wildbear

• The Original Wildbear (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

The user's page states, Promoting accuracy in information. They have been disrupting Talk:Collapse of the World Trade Center with tendentious, repetitious arguments. It is highly disruptive to repeat the same rejected proposals over and over again. We've seen this pattern many times before. I request that this account be banned from all 9/11 pages under WP:ARB9/11's discretionary sanctions. Thank you. Jehochman 08:35, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Each single-purpose account that shows up beating the drum for the conspiracy theories should be warned once, and then banned from the 9/11 pages. There's no reason to keep going through this again and again. Tom Harrison 01:35, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

See for example User:DawnisuponUS. Tom Harrison 02:04, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Who apparently had experience of editing Misplaced Pages before that account was created. Dougweller (talk) 18:31, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, some of the accounts appearing at this venue appear to be similar in personality to prior accounts that were banned. Jehochman 19:18, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Could you or another administrator please give the user an official warning. That way they cannot claim lack of warning next time. There is in fact a warning about WP:NOR and 9/11 on their talk page at this very moment, but it does not specificly mention the arbitration case. Jehochman 18:18, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Done, Tom Harrison 12:48, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Is there proof that The Original Wildbear is User:DawnisuponUS? A cursory inspection indicates although there is a small overlap they edit at different times of day. Is "similar in personality" to a banned user a criteria for banning another user? Is it good faith to request a user be warned without any proof he has done anything to warrant a warning "just in case"? As you say "some of the accounts appearing at this venue" in the plural I assume you mean me as I'm the only one outside of your own supporters posting. Justify or retract the accusation. Wayne (talk) 07:57, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

No accusation was made. Stop disrupting this board with battleground tactics, please. Jehochman 15:30, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

The user is still pushing Truther propaganda. Could we get a topic ban please? Jehochman 21:36, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Looking at his contributions they're nearly all focused on 9/11, so I think a block, possibly of a month, could be more appropriate. PhilKnight (talk) 23:15, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Ohconfucius yet again

Ohconfucius (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) has started delinking dates in violation of the date delinking injunction yet again today (). Take a look at his block log if you're not aware of the previous history with this user. -- Earle Martin 14:05, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

These are obviously not through a bot or script as there are other changes beyond one or two dates being delinked from each, and doesn't seem to be a program of "mass delinking" as cautioned against in the restriction. I see nothing wrong with his actions here compared to his earlier actions that were clearly against this. --MASEM (t) 14:08, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

This seems to be normal page cleanup, with minor de-linking. The injunction states,

"Until this case is decided or otherwise directed by the Arbitration Committee, all editors are instructed not to engage in any program of mass linking or delinking of dates in existing articles, including but not limited to through the use of bots, scripts, tools, or otherwise."

This is a trivial matter. As a courtesy, I've notified Ohconfucius of the post. seicer | talk | contribs 14:13, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

I felt it best to mention this earlier rather than later, given this user's history of violating this injunction. -- Earle Martin 14:18, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

• I am so touched by your consideration, Earle. I would suggest my talk page being the most direct way of attracting my attention. Ohconfucius (talk) 14:25, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Depends what you mean if you think its trivial. As far as I can see he runs the script at User:Ohconfucius/monobook.js on each article he edits. This removes all date links, amongst other things. For me its right on the edge because its clearly script-based editing, but he's not doing it to many articles. On the other hand the intention is clearly to flout the injunction, since he is not doing the edits manually. If he spent more time editing articles it would clearly be a problem. As it is, I don't know. I admit that I find his manner abrasive, and I think he is probably getting pleasure out of deliberately skirting the edges of the injunction, so count me as ticked-off by an editor who is uncooperative. You can decide for yourselves whether that's a problem. AKAF (talk) 14:30, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

I understand, and I have blocked him in the past (see ), but this is nothing in comparison to what has been done in the past. seicer | talk | contribs 14:42, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

• The injunction says: "including but not limited to through the use of bots, scripts, tools, or otherwise". Use of the script is not the problem, as all means of mass-delinking are at issue here. Removing a small number of date instances from four articles is not "mass delinking", thank you very much. Ohconfucius (talk) 02:17, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

• I think we should block the account until such time as all date linking or delinking scripts are disabled. Jehochman 16:33, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

• I totally rewrote three of those articles, spending a good half hour on each, and I probably delinked a couple of date links in each article while I was at it. However, I would pologise if my actions come arcoss as provocative. I undertake not to edit any more articles outside my current watchlist, so as to avoid any further accusations of deliberately delinking dates until the injunction is lifted. Ohconfucius (talk) 17:09, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Jehochman, my clear recollection is that you are INVOLVED, and should leave the matter to another admin. Now, Ohconfucius, given sensitivities and that he is a party to the ArbCom hearing, has been unwise; however, this hardly falls within the definition of "mass program" (as specified by the injunction). Indeed, he appears to have done a lot of other work on the articles concerned at the same time. I believe that in view of his written undertaking to avoid unlinking until the lifting of the temporary injunction against mass unlinking, he should be given the benefit of the doubt.

I remind you that User:Kendrick7 was discovered to be fly-by relinking dates to many, many articles, over a period of more than two weeks—yet he somehow escaped blocking for the blatant breach of the injunction. I'm not saying that the injunction should not be enforced; however, Ohconfucius's article improvements at issue here seem relatively trivial. Tony (talk) 17:21, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Although Jehochman has made comments in the past regarding the case, that does not make him involved, per se. Given that he hasn't blocked Ohconfucius, to tell him to hold off on commentary is not a wise move. seicer | talk | contribs 17:39, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Instead of blocking Ohconfucius until he complies, I think it would be preferable to remove the script from the monobook, and protect the page. PhilKnight (talk) 13:54, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

I'd support that. Or just remove it, and treat the reinsertion as a deliberate attempt to defy the injunction.DGG (talk) 15:01, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

The script can be used for other purposes besides delinking dates. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:41, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

If on the User:Ohconfucius/monobook.js page, the section immediately below '//month+day piped' and '//4 digit years piped' were blanked, would that allow the other functions to work normally? PhilKnight (talk) 23:29, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

• You will see from the edits is that there that I have been trying to customise it. I'm hoping it will do strictly inter-conversion of date formats. So far, my comprehension of js is still limited, but I am still trying. AFAICT, the sections you mentioned relate only to removing links for piped date links such as ] and ]. I have no interest in disturbing those links. Ohconfucius (talk) 02:05, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

I've edited your monobook page, and disabled all the date delinking functions. PhilKnight (talk) 13:46, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

That seems like a good solution. There's no excuse for anybody to be running automated linking or delinking scripts. Jehochman 21:04, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Topic ban needed

• Raquel Baranow (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
• WP:ARB9/11

See this diff. The editor was previously warned and has received extensive counseling here. They refuse to understand that Misplaced Pages is not for publishing original research and promoting conspiracy theories. Jehochman 21:01, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Any objections to a 1-year ban? PhilKnight (talk) 23:51, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Yes, well, this is obviously fringe theory soapboxing, but do you think a topic ban is warranted unless she edits the actual articles in the same vein?  Sandstein  13:27, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

I'd give her credit for using the talk page instead of editing the article. Claiming that she is using Misplaced Pages for promoting conspiracy theories is avoiding the fact that two of the five points in that diff are valid and could/should be addressed. If they actually have valid points these editors should be dealt with civily instead of requesting a ban just because they believe in conspiracies. Wayne (talk) 17:18, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

"I DIDNT HEAR THAT" on talk pages can be just as disruptive, i.e. wasteful of editors's time, as edits to articles. This editor should perhaps receive one more very explicit warning, but then imho a ban would be appropriate. Looie496 (talk) 18:32, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Turning a talk page into a conspiracy theory chatroom is very disruptive. It wastes time of other contributors and disrupts the formation of consensus. Warnings and extensive counseling have been given. Unless the user provides a reason why things might be different, a ban is needed. I'll ask her to comment here.Jehochman 19:00, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

In Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Homeopathy, Dana was full banned 1 year for disruptive POV pushing in the talk pages, idem in Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Fringe science topic bannig Pcarbonn. --Enric Naval (talk) 02:15, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

The article is biased and doesn't represent facts because U say the facts come from unreliable sorces. AE911Truth.org (Archetects & Engineers for 911 Truth) is not mentioned at all. We have a profesor at our university who is an archetect of heavy construction (bridges and more), who holds meetings a few times a year to discuss how the structure of the Twin Towers and WTC7 could never have fallen like that. If more archetects saw these videos (IMO, "Zeitgist" is propaganda) and read David Ray Griffin's books, they would join too. Popular Mechanics & Skeptic magazine aren't really reliable peer-reviewed journals (I've subscribed to Skeptic since the beginning and met/spoke to Michael Shermer several times, telling him he's not skeptical enough, etc. . . I inspired him to do the Holocaust issue but he ignored the forensics and logistics of the alleged murder weapon.) Griffin did a through debunking of the Popular Mechanics article/book. Popular Mechanics is like the Reader's Digest for mechanics. Do U consider Reader's Digest a reliable source or a place to pitch propaganda to the masses? I have nothing more to say on the article unless I find some more bias in it. I'd like to change the header to the topic I started to add, "Biased article" to see if other's agree. The article reads like a handout from the CIA or something that would appear in Reader's Digest. U wanna ban me 'cause U don't wanna have to deal with the elephant in the room, which is the pulverized dust several inches deep throughout Manhattan, the tiny debris pile, big, heavy beams hurled 600 yards, destruction of evidence at the crime scene, reliable witnesses/victims of explosions and molten metal in the basement. Could also be that if an Archetect/Engineer comes out agains't the Government's conspiracy theory, they would not get a government job. Like I said, I have nothing more to say there. If I do start another topic it will be after I look through the archives to see how many other people think the article is biased. I do promise to be very careful if I do post anything more there. I also want to watch the page to see how U handle other dissentors of the Official Conspiracy Theory. If Ur just gonna delete what they write on talk-pages like U did to me. It's only a matter of time before some prominant, retired archetect or a better, more informed dissentor comes along to challenge this article. There's no doubt in my mind thermobaric bombs brought down the WTCs. The two videos at the bottom of my webpage should be mentioned too. Raquel Baranow (talk) 20:40, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

I rest my case. Jehochman 21:02, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

If she doesn't give us clear evidence that her behaviour will change, I'll support the ban. Dougweller (talk) 21:10, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Note she is still adding her website to articles . Dougweller (talk) 21:13, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Those edits to "Mammon" have been removed and I'm discussing it on the talk page. I made a mistake, the pic-link is not necessary. It's like a catch 22: U can't discuss improving an article about conspiracy theory at WTC without details about what the actual conspiracy theory is because none of the conspiracy theories (except the Government's) come from reliable sources? David Ray Griffin is reliable. Everything he writes is sourced. U guys have knee-jerk reactions to "conspiracy theory"? Are U not open-minded that U could be wrong? I'll change, I'm learning, some editors are more tolorant that U guys. I made some legitimate points in the talk-page at controlled demolition. The article is biased it doesn't tell the whole theory plus there are lotsa weasel words like saying "all mainstream engineers" agree with the government. I'm sure U've made mistakes here too when U first started out. I only recently got interested in editing Misplaced Pages . . . just so happens most of my interests are controversial, radical, revolutionary, anti-status quo. Some people, including my two brother-in-laws are really smart (and so am I) but when I mention a conspiracy theory, they immediately scoff. As if governments don't lie!? I won't refer to my website in any articles I edit. I did so here cause it is easier than citing the two videos directly. I know the URL to my website without looking whereas if I cited the two videos directly I'd hafta click through a bunch of stuff, open a bunch of windows, copy and paste. I promise to be very careful discussing conspiracy theory on controled demolition. Raquel Baranow (talk) 23:41, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

I was involved in the original AN/I report on this editor, and Georgewilliamherbert and I, together with other editors, tried to explain WP policies on reliable sources, POV-pushing, WP:SOAP, verifiability (including Misplaced Pages:Verifiability,_not_truth and so on. Following some comments about "being a new editor" and "learning", with other comments verging on the uncivil about "faceless and nameless editors" censoring "the truth" on Misplaced Pages Raquel withdrew for a short period, citing ill-health and commenting "let's resolve this". She returned very shortly afterwards and commenced the same POV-pushing on talkpages rather than on articles. She seems unable or unwilling to accept WP policies either primarily in terms of verifiability and reliability of sources or secondarily in terms of collegial editing. She appears unable to accept that WP is not there as a platform for her to air her views irrespective of policy. I support a topic ban as proposed. Tonywalton  23:45, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm done commenting on the controlled demolition page. I learned my lesson interfering there but it is a biased article. Tony we just have a different idea of what the page should be about. I thought readers could try to improve articles. That's what I sincerely wanted to do but can't 'cause U say David Ray Griffen, AE911Truth.org, 911Reports.com, or this video about explosives (with plenty of credible references) are not reliable sources or worth mention. The video has had over 10,000,000 viewes on YouTube. It's a question of who is telling the truth. We know governments lie, especially U$A, we've assassinated heads of state all over the world, including a coup d'etat in Dallas, 11/22/63. I'll look through all the archives for a thread about bias in the article. If I find anything significant showing readers think the article is bias, then maybe I'll raise the issue for a consenses, major re-write? If U'r going to say, "That won't happen," (even if consensus says the article is biased), please explain why? Raquel Baranow (talk) 02:22, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Forget topic ban, propose complete ban. It takes absolutely no virtue of the imagination to work out once 9/11 related articles are off limits to Raquel, she will put her attention elsewhere - most probably on Holocaust and Holocaust denial related discussions, and with regards to this page, it cannot be argued that such anticipation is without basis. WilliamH (talk) 02:08, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Support. Unless and until Raquel accepts that NPOV does not mean "take a neutral article and add unreliable, biassed sources to taste" a ban seems appropriate to avoid further disruption. Keeping the soapboxing to talkpages is no more than gaming the system. Tonywalton  10:21, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Oppose the article isn't neutral, it's biased, the editors there are intolorant, they accept NO dissent or contrary views and they're ganging up on me. I'll impose a ban on myself. I'll cool-it. I learned my lesson! I really, honestly thought I was offering evidence to improve the article or at least show what the conspiracy theorists believe. What I wrote on the talk-page should NOT be erased as my previous comments there were (maybe I wrote it badly but I re-wrote it). Peace & Love guys but more and more mainstream people are comming out against the government's conspiracy theory. 9/11 is the JFK conspiracy of our day. In this past month or two that I began monitoring articles here I've really learned a lot and made some nice friends. We just have a disagreement on what "Reliable Sources" are. I don't believe many of the sources in the Controled Demolition article are reliable. They rely on ONE person as an expert and ignore others, they consider "Popular Mechanics" & "Skeptic" Magazine as, "mainstream, peer-reviewed" journals. I subscribed to Skeptic since the beginning, met Michael Shermer twice, had letters published there and inspired Shermer to write the Holocaust issue (but he didn't evaluate the hard, forensic evidence). I learned my lesson, no ban is necessary, I'll impose it myself!!!! Peace & Love! :) Raquel Baranow (talk) 13:22, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

• User said, Moslems are demographically taking over the Middle East and are infiltrating Europe. I think we have, despite possibly good intentions, a user who's goals conflict too much with Misplaced Pages. Jehochman 13:28, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
  • I have many good friends in Europe who are saying that (on my flickr site) and I tell them their attitude is the same as Hitler's toward Jews. Bill Clinton recently said that demographics is Israel's #1 problem. I'm just repeating facts. People in Europe are opposed to this infiltration as people in the U$A are opposed to infiltration by illegal immigrants. Ur making me look like a bigot! I'm the most open-minded tolorant person U can imagine . . . I have dated people of all nationalities, religions. Raquel Baranow (talk) 13:38, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

• Support a topic ban, and possibly something more if the problematic behaviour doesn't stop. This is clear soapboxing and the user doesn't seem interested in abiding by policy. Hut 8.5 13:54, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Indefinitely blocked

Okay, the comments by Raquel Baranow (talk · contribs) on this page have convinced me that her approach to editing Misplaced Pages is fundamentally incompatible with our goals and principles, and I have blocked her indefinitely. I do not object to an unblock by any administrator who disagrees, although I strongly recommend that, if unblocked, she is made subject to a 9/11 topic ban for which we have clear consensus here.  Sandstein  14:05, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

• Endorse this block. However, if another administrator unblocks her, I propose that the subject ban is extended to Holocaust and Holocaust denial related articles. Enough time has already been spent patiently articulating to Raquel why her propositions are inappropriate, and I don't see why any more volunteer time should be wasted. WilliamH (talk) 15:31, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

• Definitely no objection to keeping her blocked until a topic ban is formulated. It doesn't look likely that this editor will ever do much that isn't counter-productive if allowed to edit these articles freely. Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 15:38, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

• No problem with the block, especially as the editor posted a (declined) unblock request that essentially repeats various 9/11 allegations and accuses other editors of covering things up.--Hut 8.5 17:21, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

• Entirely reasonable block. MastCell  18:13, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Per WP:ARBPIA, User:Drsmoo in Gilad Atzmon

User:Drsmoo was blocked March 24th for 3RR and accusations of antisemitism against other editors. Here is my report to 3RR about his behavior in the article about musician/writer Gilad Atzmon.

DrSmoo did engage in 3rr again today as of this edit to get his way with his edits.

More importantly, instead of dealing with other editor’s WP:OR, WP:RS and WP:editwarring concerns with his edits (as expressed in these sections: here, here and here), he has continued to engage in attacks. Here and here he makes all sorts of barely relevant or inaccurate charges related to the antisemitism issue, including twice from doing research on an editor’s off-wikipedia activities which is against WP:harassment. Obviously, he is producing a very difficult editing environment!

Enforcement action: Whatever seems appropriate to stop him from disrupting this article. CarolMooreDC (talk) 21:07, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

As a correction, I was blocked only for 3rr and nothing else. Nor have I ever made any accusations regarding any editor. Anyone clicking Carol's links will see that any part of those edits which could be construed as a personal attack were removed by me and do not exist on the talk page. I made no personal attacks, secondly, contrary to her own statements, the article does not belong to Carol Moore, and it is not her article that has been written for a year, she was only one of many editors working on the article. This current controversy began when I included at the time recent statements by Atzmon such as "I think Jewish ideology is driving our planet into a catastrophe and we must stop." At which point there was a mad dash to get those quotes removed by any means necessary, including saying they were quotefarming etc. Other than accidentally reverting more than allowed on a single day I haven't broken any wikipedia rules whatsoever. In addition, according to the Misplaced Pages rules on 3rr, I was not in violation in my edits in any way today, despite being accused today of 3rr violation.Drsmoo (talk) 10:14, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

• Here is my report to 3RR which included complains about edit warring behavior; so I assume that was part of the reason for the block. Your Block reads: "Please be more careful to discuss controversial changes or seek dispute resolution rather than engaging in an edit war."
• I should have included in the first 3rr report these "attack" diffs , , - all attacks because you consider any editors' attempt to present subject's views in WP:RS context or to allow the subject to defend themselves against allegations to be somehow bigoted and feel you must express that fact.
• I quoted diffs above of two attacks accusing editors of being supporters who share all Atzmon's views; the diffs reflect the earlier view and newer side of the diffs, which still represent attacks. Also searching the internet to present people's allegedly POV views (usually out of context) is not cooperative editing.
• This is not the place for debate on content issues; my complaint is about attacks instead of debate responsive to issues raised in sections mentioned above.
• As for 3RR I noticed in middle of complaint, that was an error where I had a temporary confusion and thought 3 was over the limit. My apologies on that one! not sure if I should give those diffs here or at WP:3rr and have a question in on that. CarolMooreDC (talk) 14:59, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Talk:Gilad_Atzmon&diff=281304172&oldid=281125856Edit warring over a section devoted to a musicians political beliefs, and particularly over the responses by other parties to the individuals stances, appears to be an argument over application of WP:UNDUE (not that it is mentioned). As the editors are in dispute over an area that is covered by WP:ARBPIA, I think that the editors should be warned specifically that these edits are covered by those restrictions. While I believe the revert warring between Drsmoo and Malcolm Soscha (sp?) violates the spirit of WP:3RR, the larger concern is that regarding WP:UNDUE. I suggest that when that is established then we can look into the application of AE restrictions. LessHeard vanU (talk) 22:03, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

WP:ARBPIA has been linked to a couple times, mostly in long name form. Plus I recently added this section warning about more possible sanctions to two editors already sanctioned that I just noticed was deleted. Actually WP:UNDUE - which seems to be a content issue - has been one of the issues, as discussed in in this archive section and elsewhere. However, you can't discuss it in a constructive manner if the editor is calling you an antisemite if you disagree with his edits. This is a repeated behavioral issue of edit warring and uncivility. CarolMoore Failed to sign 5 AprilCarolMooreDC (talk) 19:13, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

I'd also like to add that anyone viewing the discussion page can see that I never once called Carol Moore anything, let alone calling her an antisemite. Drsmoo (talk) 09:36, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Per the above I am referring to specific comments you have made about more than one editor as well as ones about myself. CarolMooreDC (talk) 15:10, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

It appears that CarolMooreDC is accusing me of calling her an antisemite. In fact she has made a long series of this, and other accusations against me (some on this noticeboard, and more on the article talk page...as well as other noticeboards) but has never produced a single diff. I would like her to either produce some evidence of her many charges against me, or stop making them because this is disruptive. (I have said that I think Gilad Atzmon is antisemitic, and there are plenty of reliable sources in the article to support that view.) Malcolm Schosha (talk) 00:41, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

By the way, I note that CarolMooreDC has not notified Drsmoo of the accusation against him/her on this noticeboard. Malcolm Schosha (talk) 01:03, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

This clearly is not about Malcolm Schosha. I just corrected "you" to "one" and added User:Drsmoo so there is no misunderstanding. Anything about you would be addressed with relevant diffs to the administrator who sanctioned you in this arbitration enforcement last week here, as another editor already reminded you on the Atzmon article today. And I didn't see anything about notification of Drsmoo above, but have no problem with doing so. CarolMooreDC (talk) 01:10, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Carol Moore should refrain from talking bad about fellow editors on her talk page while "teaming up" with those who hold similar positions to her. Drsmoo (talk) 23:15, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Dr. Dan

Attention: This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below.

Request concerning Dr. Dan

User requesting enforcement

_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 22:29, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested

Dr. Dan (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Arbitration case whose sanctions are to be enforced

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Digwuren

Sanction or remedy that has been violated

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Digwuren#Discretionary sanctions

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy

Primary. Supporting: ,

Explanation how these edits violate the sanction or remedy at issue

Those comments are more then unhelpful and violating WP:AGF, they create a battleground atmosphere and encourage editors to flame and snipe. The remedy above specifically warns editors involved in EE topics to avoid creating battlegrounds, and Dr. Dan has been familiar to it, and was put on the warning list soon after the arbitration ().

Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction)

As specified in the cited remedy, although a topic ban from discussions of EE topics may be considered instead.

Additional comments

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

The requesting user is asked to notify the user against whom this request is directed of it, and then to replace this text with a diff of that notification. The request will normally not be processed otherwise.

Discussion concerning Dr. Dan

I dunno if it's just lack of self-awareness, but there's nothing in these diffs, and certainly less than Piotrus' comment yesterday "remember that no amount of logic and evidence will change the opinion of a nationalist true believer. For some, Vilnius was forever 100% pure Lithuanian Vilnius, likely created that way when the universe begun.", directed towards his opponents on Talk:Battle of Vilnius (1655). He was engaged in similar forum-shopping against myself yesterday, Misplaced Pages:Wikiquette_alerts#Bad_faith_towards_me. Best thing to do is to direct Piotrus to make more dialogue with those who disagree with him rather than constantly trying to get them into trouble on frivolous pretexts. Dr Dan it should be said is a highly educated, and intelligent user with good historical knowledge, who constantly has to deal with tendentious multi-blocked nationalists trolling and reverting him; at worst he could maybe cut down on sarcasm sometimes, but he is not by any means half as problematic a user as, for instance, User:Radeksz whom Piotrus has gone to a lot of trouble to protect. Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 22:48, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Um, Deacon care to in anyway substantiate the (libelous) claim that I am a "problematic" user? Is this just because I have disagreed with you and participated in discussion where I took a different view than you did? Is it because I've taken issue with tendentious, disruptive editing on the part of Dr. Dan (and a couple of others) who've tried to insert text based on extremist nationalist sources into Lithuania/Poland related articles? Or is it just my general existence and participation in the Wiki project which is "problematic" for you? I hate to be touchy about this but since this is part of the pattern, I'm gonna request an apology from you here.radek (talk) 00:09, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

And this isn't even addressing the second claim that somehow Piotrus "protects me" which is just ridiculous (particularly since if I'm not "problematic" I don't need protection). I'm guessing you're referring to that one instance where M.K. tried to get me unsuccessfully blocked for edit warring - in a discussion he personally was not involved at all, just you know, he made the report out of a sense of duty - which was a heated disagreement but not a violation of Wiki guidelines. In that instance Piotrus, in his capacity as an admin, issued a warning to myself and to the other editor involved, which put an end to the problem and which action was rightly considered as the correct one by other administrators (though I'm sure it left M.K. and maybe some others disappointed).radek (talk) 00:16, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

As for Dr. Dan's actions, all I know is that shortly after the discussion on Battle of Vilnius commenced he showed up on an article I just created, Białystok pogrom, and made several provocative edits, without apparently looking at the sources first, in what looked like an attempt to create another battlefield. These changes are listed by Piotrus above. In general I find discussion about controversies with Dr. Dan quite difficult since, in addition to the sarcasm which even Deacon noted (and the problem with sarcasm in a written medium is that aside from its implicit lack of AGF, its use can make it quite difficult to understand what another editor is saying particularly when the sarcasm is not employed with sufficient skill) in almost every instance he tries to change the subject to anything but what is actually being discussed. Examples of this can be found both on the talk page of Battle of Vilnius as well as other talk pages of Lithuania/Poland related articles (for example ).radek (talk) 00:40, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Please understand it's genuinely not my wish to give you a hard time here, Radeksz, as this wouldn't be the place for it anyway. It's my wish to make the context clear to other admins reviewing Piotrus' request, and there is no chance of disciplinary action coming down against you. The evidence posted by Piotrus involves you, so unfortunately you have to be discussed.

I don't recall any active disagreement with you, and I wouldn't count us voting on different sides of a recent poll notable disagreement. It's based on your editing pattern and your disciplinary record, which can be verified by viewing your user contributions, your block log, user talk history, and by searching the archives of WP:AN/3. In regard to this, and since you have requested, to Piotrus' protection, I will repost evidence composed by User:Sciurinæ from a recent Arbitration clarification request, which will illustrate the situation; readers can compare Piotrus' treatment of you with Piotrus' treatment of Dr Dan:

This is Radeksz's three 3RR violations and all of Piotrus' reactions to them:

• First 3RR violation: 0, 1, 2, 3, 4 (the violation wasn't reported). Piotrus couldn't contact him off-wiki to warn him and the case about his tag teaming was still on. Piotrus actually took the trouble of going to pl.wiki to ask Radeksz for his mail. Piotrus also took part in the edit warring at the article before Radeksz, which resulted in page protection later after the second violation.
• Second 3RR violation: Same page one day later. Piotrus then secretly warned him in Polish about getting blocked for 3RR and to have a look at his message in pl.wiki. This constitutes usage of another language to conceal improper conduct (see remedy). Piotrus also supported unblocking of Radeksz (), and ignored his formula (it goes: when A has 4 reverts and B has 3, only A should receive a consequence. The formula was only designed after Piotrus often had 3 reverts and Boodlesthecat 4 anyway).
• Third 3RR violation: Piotrus closes the issue himself to avoid a block.

--- Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 00:42, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Ok. There's one (semi) legit block there (it wasn't a 3RR vio but the admin decided to crack down on the edit wars that were going on - in a very one sided way I might add), due to a report by a real "problematic" user who got himself banned for a whole year due to his propensity for edit wars and incivility. The other two are just spurious attempts by Deacon to smear me - note I already discussed the 3rd one above, reported by M.K. (and the reason 1st one wasn't reported was because these were completely diff edits as was the 3rd). And of course that record is no worse than this (so does Deacon consider himself a "problematic" user as well? ) Now. Yeah, Piotrus asked me for my email when he noticed that there was another Polish editor editing Poland related pages. Yeah, he warned me not to violate the 3RR rule (in Polish probably in order to see if I actually spoke it). And yeah, as I already said above in one case he issued warnings. So what? This is the mentality that looks for conspiracies where none exist and which thinks that somehow if two different Polish editors have the nerve to edit the same Poland related article then they must be scheming. This has already been discussed to death in several different RfA's and other forums (quite honestly I can't find it atm), with the explicit finding that there is no cabal or conspiracy here, that these chargers are frivolous and that ordinary communication between two editors who happen to be of the same nationality should not be automatically viewed with suspicion, as Deacon is trying to do here. Further. It takes a certain amount of chutzpah to call me "problematic" - even though Dr. Dan's the one that has an official restriction on him for his previous actions, and Deacon has been officially "admonished" to avoid edit warring (not to mention the "it's not my intent to give you a hard time" - just call you "problematic"). Still want that apology Deacon.radek (talk) 01:24, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

In regard to that 3rd supposed 3RR violation, here is an uninvolved editor noting that it wasn't a 3RR violation , and here is another uninvolved editor stating that Piotrus' action in this case were appropriate and telling Deacon to quit wasting everyone's time with frivolous complaints (as he is doing here) , and yet another admonishment for Deacon not to waste people's time by an uninvolved editor , and again (after Deacon tried to drag it out) , but Deacon and MK insisted on going so they got another one , and then this one as a combination of another acknowledgment of the appropriateness of Piotrus' action and criticisms of Deacon's . Ok, enough. The point is that this particular matter was opened and closed and there's no point in bringing it up again and this is just Deacon's attempts to re-fight old battles.radek (talk) 01:49, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

As for Dr. Dan's actions, all I know is that shortly after the discussion on Battle of Vilnius commenced he showed up on an article I just created, Białystok pogrom, and made several provocative edits, without apparently looking at the sources first, in what looked like an attempt to create another battlefield. These changes are listed by Piotrus above. In general I find discussion about controversies with Dr. Dan quite difficult since, in addition to the sarcasm which even Deacon noted (and the problem with sarcasm in a written medium is that aside from its implicit lack of AGF, its use can make it quite difficult to understand what another editor is saying particularly when the sarcasm is not employed with sufficient skill) in almost every instance he tries to change the subject to anything but what is actually being discussed. Examples of this can be found both on the talk page of Battle of Vilnius as well as other talk pages of Lithuania/Poland related articles (for example ).radek (talk) 00:40, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

(outdent) Why, given the guideline states The requesting user is asked to notify the user against whom this request is directed of it, and then to replace this text with a diff of that notification. The request will normally not be processed otherwise, was it processed? It was not normal? Novickas (talk) 01:19, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Piotrus left that part blank and refrained from informing him. I left Dr Dan a courtesy notice. Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 01:29, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Result concerning Dr. Dan

This section is to be edited only by the administrator closing this request for arbitration enforcement. Use {{discussion top}} / {{discussion bottom}} to mark it as closed.

Per Tag-Teaming, WP:Cabals, User:Carolmooredc

Carolmooredc has been engaging in WP:Tag Team and WP:Cabals both on her own talk page as well as on other talk pages in violation of wikipedia guidelines against doing so. Examples are ], ] ], ] where she actively is working with similar minded editors as her to control the article as well as one other user pages ]

She should be encouraged not to work behind the backs of the majority of the editors in an article, and make discussions regarding the article in the appropriate discussion page. Drsmoo (talk) 02:28, 7 April 2009 (UTC)