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	I disagree with the way this page is being edited. Completely relevant and unbiased statistics, many of which are cited directly to the school webpage, are being removed without justification. I am requesting that the edits made by Averniking be discussed here. If no one is willing to discuss, then I will seek an editor's third opinion. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 21:11, 2 June 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->		I disagree with the way this page is being edited. Completely relevant and unbiased statistics, many of which are cited directly to the school webpage, are being removed without justification. I am requesting that the edits made by Averniking be discussed here. If no one is willing to discuss, then I will seek an editor's third opinion. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 21:11, 2 June 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
	:You're welcome to get a third opinion, but I'd first like you to cite specifically what "completely relevant and unbiased statistics, many of which are cited directly to the school webpage, are being removed without justification." That way we can collaborate instead of make empty accusations ;-). As far as I can tell, I've done some research using the website to support claims that weren't cited, but removed a lot of uncited and booster/advert information, as well adding the seal, logo, and an infobox. It should all be in line with UNI, but let me know if I've slipped up somewhere along the line! ] (]) 21:19, 2 June 2009 (UTC)		:You're welcome to get a third opinion, but I'd first like you to cite specifically what "completely relevant and unbiased statistics, many of which are cited directly to the school webpage, are being removed without justification." That way we can collaborate instead of make empty accusations ;-). As far as I can tell, I've done some research using the website to support claims that weren't cited, but removed a lot of uncited and booster/advert information, as well adding the seal, logo, and an infobox. It should all be in line with UNI, but let me know if I've slipped up somewhere along the line! ] (]) 21:19, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
			::::Well I guess I will list each of my grievances one by one. For starters, you removed the ranking section altogether and instead placed NESL's fourth-tier USNWR ranking in the academic section. I believe this is an error. The USNWR rankings take into account much more than the school's academic program, and associating the school's ranking with "academics" is misleading. Take a look for yourself: http://www.usnews.com/articles/education/best-law-schools/2009/04/22/law-school-rankings-methodology.html. The rankings consider twelve different areas of quality, including peer assessment scores, lawyer/judge assessment scores, LSAT scores, undergraduate GPAs, acceptance rates, employment rates, bar passage rate, expenditures per student, student/faculty ratio, and library resources. The ranking category should be a stand-alone category, representing how the school is ranked based on a variety of criteria, not merely its academic program.

			You also removed any reference to the fact that "New England School of Law" became "New England Law, Boston" in 2008, the school's 100th anniversary. This is misleading because a majority of people, including the school itself, still refer to the school as New England School of Law. In fact, the Misplaced Pages entry is listed under the school's former name. While acceptable to refer to the school under its new identity, there should be some reference as to why and when the school underwent the name change.

			You also removed the section which listed the school's cost of attendance. I am not sure why you thought this was necessary, as the figure was properly credited directly to the school's financial aid office, and is extremely relevant to the school's overall description.

			You also removed any reference to the school's student body and admission statistics. Again, I question how this is not a properly cited source.

			You also removed any reference to the school's bar exam and career statistics directly pulled from the school's website. Again, I question why this was removed.

			You also removed both sections describing the location of the school, its resources, and its faculty. Again, I question why this edit was made. These seem like extremely relevant pieces of information that establish the identity of the school.

			I will be more than happy to discuss these changes with you on a case-by-case basis, or alternatively with a second editor, but I do find it extremely alarming that you would unilaterally remove many relevant and properly credited pieces of information about the school with little justification at all, effectively stripping down the school's Misplaced Pages page and providing a misrepresentative picture of the school.

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Given the Law School's current constant re-editing, I would like to endorse the current page, and request that it be locked, to be re-examined ONLY when new rankings, cost, and employment data are made generally available.

Please sign if you endorse:

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Inappropriate editing

I disagree with the way this page is being edited. Completely relevant and unbiased statistics, many of which are cited directly to the school webpage, are being removed without justification. I am requesting that the edits made by Averniking be discussed here. If no one is willing to discuss, then I will seek an editor's third opinion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Neslgrad09 (talk • contribs) 21:11, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

You're welcome to get a third opinion, but I'd first like you to cite specifically what "completely relevant and unbiased statistics, many of which are cited directly to the school webpage, are being removed without justification." That way we can collaborate instead of make empty accusations ;-). As far as I can tell, I've done some research using the website to support claims that weren't cited, but removed a lot of uncited and booster/advert information, as well adding the seal, logo, and an infobox. It should all be in line with UNI, but let me know if I've slipped up somewhere along the line! King of the Arverni (talk) 21:19, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Well I guess I will list each of my grievances one by one. For starters, you removed the ranking section altogether and instead placed NESL's fourth-tier USNWR ranking in the academic section. I believe this is an error. The USNWR rankings take into account much more than the school's academic program, and associating the school's ranking with "academics" is misleading. Take a look for yourself: http://www.usnews.com/articles/education/best-law-schools/2009/04/22/law-school-rankings-methodology.html. The rankings consider twelve different areas of quality, including peer assessment scores, lawyer/judge assessment scores, LSAT scores, undergraduate GPAs, acceptance rates, employment rates, bar passage rate, expenditures per student, student/faculty ratio, and library resources. The ranking category should be a stand-alone category, representing how the school is ranked based on a variety of criteria, not merely its academic program.

You also removed any reference to the fact that "New England School of Law" became "New England Law, Boston" in 2008, the school's 100th anniversary. This is misleading because a majority of people, including the school itself, still refer to the school as New England School of Law. In fact, the Misplaced Pages entry is listed under the school's former name. While acceptable to refer to the school under its new identity, there should be some reference as to why and when the school underwent the name change.

You also removed the section which listed the school's cost of attendance. I am not sure why you thought this was necessary, as the figure was properly credited directly to the school's financial aid office, and is extremely relevant to the school's overall description.

You also removed any reference to the school's student body and admission statistics. Again, I question how this is not a properly cited source.

You also removed any reference to the school's bar exam and career statistics directly pulled from the school's website. Again, I question why this was removed.

You also removed both sections describing the location of the school, its resources, and its faculty. Again, I question why this edit was made. These seem like extremely relevant pieces of information that establish the identity of the school.

I will be more than happy to discuss these changes with you on a case-by-case basis, or alternatively with a second editor, but I do find it extremely alarming that you would unilaterally remove many relevant and properly credited pieces of information about the school with little justification at all, effectively stripping down the school's Misplaced Pages page and providing a misrepresentative picture of the school.

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