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Please put all discussion here.Peter Damian (talk) 10:22, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

BS

		Home-Made Barnstar
		No comment needed - just see her work on the article around the '48 events in Israel/Palestine. Ceedjee (talk) 17:03, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

In fact, you must be crazy ;-) Thank you !!! Ceedjee (talk) 17:04, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

re FA review

Thanks for the heads up, I shall take another look. Cirt (talk) 01:09, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for your positive and collaborative spirit

Thank you for your positive and collaborative spirit during the review process for Bernard Williams, at Misplaced Pages:Featured article review/Bernard Williams/archive1. It is most appreciated. Also nice work on addressing the concerns raised and improving the article. Yours, Cirt (talk) 01:51, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

No worries. :) Cirt (talk) 01:55, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Request for your advice

Seeing as you've had a lot of experience in dealing with original research issues, and you're uninvolved in this particular issue, do you suppose you could possibly have a look at Misplaced Pages:No original research/Noticeboard#Cyrus cylinder and let me know what you think? I'd be very grateful for any advice you can offer. -- ChrisO (talk) 23:43, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Request for rollback

I would like you to consider granting me the Rollback feature. Up to now I have used the information visible on the screen about who edited a particular old version of an article to compose an appropriate edit summary. (See, for example, this change.) However, with the new copyright license in effect, there is more text on the screen, and I can't see the information about the last good edit and the edit summary line at the same time. This additional annoyance has prompted me to pursue a better method.

Thanks for your consideration.

--Jc3s5h (talk) 17:38, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Congratulations on Abu Nidal

		The WikiProject Palestine Featured Article Medal
		Awarded for bringing this WikiProject Palestine article to Featured Article status: For your amazing efforts in turning Abu Nidal into a comprehensive and highly readable account of a difficult and controversial subject.
		this WikiAward was given to SlimVirgin by Ian Pitchford (talk) on 21:09, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Afd

Somone has nominated Alison Green, an article you have worked on, for afd. You might wish to contribute to the debate. Thanks, SqueakBox talk 15:24, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Google hits on Nakba

Hi. In Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Nakba#Statement by SlimVirgin you've said that Nakba gets over two million Google hits, but when I tried it seems to be about 666000. Perhaps you'd like to try it again. SamuelTheGhost (talk) 23:31, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

That's weird. I still get about 600,000 hits however I try. It must be something to do with the way our respective Googles are set up. In this context I shall cease to worry about it forthwith. In the longer run it may prompt me to investigate Google's options a bit more. SamuelTheGhost (talk) 10:57, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

I've tried imitating your preferences and it makes no difference. I did notice that in your .JPG file it had the option to search "the web" or "pages from Canada" whereas in my case it's "pages from the UK". I did try accessing the Canadian version of Google, but that makes no difference either. Nevertheless if you are connecting to a Canadian server, this might be relevant. SamuelTheGhost (talk) 11:14, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

I was beginning to form what I thought was a coherent theory, when I tried it again and this time got only 17,000 hits! It certainly makes the point that these figures are unreliable. My theory is, first of all, that national versions are not located in the various places concerned, but are merely distinguished by parameter settings on the software. The searches are run, however, on computers located in clusters around the world (see Google#Platform etc.) and your request goes to the nearest convenient cluster, where the actual order of access to data is optimised for local use. So where the number of hits is being extrapolated from the first thousand or so actual hits, as I presume in this case, that estimate can vary very unstably. SamuelTheGhost (talk) 11:52, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Categorisation

I know you're actually not the most appropriate person to field this query but I see your name all over[REDACTED] so I thought you may have some thoughts on the matter. I've noticed that people often put categorisations such as 'American Christians' or 'English Expatriates' (stuff like that) which both informs the reader and requires no verification. Problematically, when one tries to put a {{fact}} tag on the category, the tag appears at the botton of the page and not correlated to what the editor attempted to fix. As such, this can easily be a way of allowing less than scrupulous editors to insert false or misleading information without a clear way of addressing the problem other than deletion (which is not always necessary). I hope I've made myself clear; if you know someone else who could address this of course I'd appreciate it. Thanks, TheFireTones 18:41, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Question

Hey SV: Have you emailed me today? IronDuke 19:15, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Lydda

I began a discussion in Talk:Lydda, hopefully you will now understand my point of view. DGtal (talk) 19:39, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Marshalsea map

Don't know if you're still looking for a map, but here's the Marshalsea and surrounding areas in the late 1820s, shortly before closure, from the Greenwood brothers' 1830 map. (The twin London Bridges are correct, as this was published during the construction of Rennie's 1830 bridge.) I've deliberately left the boundaries wide so you can crop it down to whatever you want. I also have the Rocque 1746 map if you want one before the urban sprawl overwhelmed Southwark, although it's not as decorative. The Greenwood map was the most detailed of London until Stanford started publishing in the late 19th century, so you're unlikely to find anything with more detail from the period the prison was operational. – iridescent 23:50, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Uploaded as File:North Southwark 1746.png; again, I've left a lot of space around the boundaries to let you crop it down as necessary. – iridescent 07:36, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Joseph Priestley lead image alignment

You previously have commented on the RfC at Talk:Joseph_Priestley#RfC on lead image alignment on whether or not the lead image should be left-aligned. A straw poll is under way to determine what, if any consensus have been developed towards resolving the debate. Go to Talk:Joseph_Priestley#Major_options and indicate your relative levels of support for each option. Thank you. Madcoverboy (talk) 17:54, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

David Icke

Why don't we need two infoboxes? The reason the football infobox is there is that is shows his football statistics, which the other, more generic infobox does not. Mattythewhite (talk) 15:43, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

al-Nakba

Thanks for your e-mail. It is standard practice, in English, to transliterate the definite article -ال as al-, lower case, except when a capital is required, such as at the start of a sentence. Note that Arabic does not have upper or lower case, and that, in writing, the article is always joined to the word it prefixes. Some people might argue that it should be an-Nakba, since ن (n) is a solar letter (see, for instance the debate at WP:AMOS talk page), but I have never seen it written this way. I can also see a case for omitting the article entirely, since we don't usually include the article in page titles, except for books, films and so on. I don't have a strong view on this, except to say that capitalising it is against the standard convention. Transliterating Arabic is tricky, since there are so many possible variations, and I am not an expert on the subject.

--NSH001 (talk) 15:43, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
P.S. See the notice I recently added to the top of my user talk page.

The need for capitalising page titles is only a Misplaced Pages convention, not a requirement of standard English, and moreover one that can be ignored if necessary. See, for example bell hooks and eBay. The template {{lowercase title}}, which is used to acheive this (it doesn't actually change the title on the server, merely the way it is displayed – which for us humans is much the same thing), gives further examples. I'm inclined to omit the article too, but it's possible someone might come up with a good reason why not. --NSH001 (talk) 16:21, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

The good reason for not omitting it is that the word نكبة (nakba) itself can be used for any generic catastrophe, when preceded by ال (al) it refers to a specific thing. As Arabic has no capitalization either ال or another word, (like نكبة فلسطينيا nakbat filistiniyeh: Palestinian catastrophe) would be needed to make it definite. As much as I dislike comparing things to the Holocaust, it is much the same grammatically if we disregard case; a holocaust can refer to many things, the holocaust refers to something that is definite. Nableezy (talk) 16:47, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes, makes sense. (I'm responding here as there are three correspondents now, by the way.) I've seen it referred to as the Palestinian Nakba (or lower case, nakba) several times, and I wondered why "Palestinian" was being added, given that there only is one well-known nakba, so that must be the reason. I do still wonder why not Al Nakba in a title, though. SlimVirgin 17:01, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

I'll just add that "Al-" (capitalised) looks and feels wrong. So much so, that if I see it at the start of a sentence, or of a Misplaced Pages section heading, I will try and recast the sentence or heading in such a way that "al-" doesn't appear first. --NSH001 (talk) 17:44, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

If we do go ahead with a Nakba article (people seem to be agreeing to a second, meta-level one about the concept as a compromise), we'll have to discuss what to call it. I take it the choices are Nakba, al-Nakba, Al-Nakba (which no one wants), The Nakba, or Palestinian Nakba. SlimVirgin 18:19, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Kfar Shaul Mental Health Center

On June 25, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Kfar Shaul Mental Health Center, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Dravecky (talk) 08:35, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

it.wiki

Hello :)

I've seen your request and it seems that the impersonating account was already renamed

• 13:24, 29 lug 2007 Helios (Discussione | contributi | blocca) ha spostato Utente:SlimVirgin a Utente:Impersonator ‎ (Pagina spostata automaticamente cambiando il nome utente di "SlimVirgin" al nuovo nome utente "Impersonator") (ripristina)

Please try to merge your account. Should you have any problem, please leave a message to one of our bureaucrats following these instructions.

Ciao, M/ (talk) 10:37, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Well, hello stranger!

This whole Michael Jackson thing is pretty surreal, no? My brother flies a business jet for a living and he had to be routed around that mess in LA on his approach to Santa Monica. Weird. In any event, it is a genuine pleasure to see your signature on the new pages log.  :) --PMDrive1061 (talk) 01:40, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

I hear you. Such a strange and sad life mixed with one of the greatest talents of this or any age. Nice guy by all accounts, too. My other brother saw him in Las Vegas with a bodyguard. He said hello as they passed and both cordially returned the hello. I caught a screening of "Thriller" on BET last night as I was spinning the dial. That was truly in a class by itself. PMDrive1061 (talk) 01:46, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Wow...what a memory that must be after seeing him in action. I will never forget seeing that Motown anniversary special when he cut loose with that moonwalk. I simply couldn't wrap my head around what I'd just seen. What a loss this is even after reflecting on this for the last day. --PMDrive1061 (talk) 01:56, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Proposed community ban of NYScholar

Hello. You have previously commented on issues related to User:NYScholar. I have just proposed that NYScholar be community banned here. I am contacting you partly because your participation in the discussion would be welcome, but also because I have referred to your past comments, and want to give you the chance to ensure that I am not misconstruing them or using them out of context. Best, Steve Smith (talk) (formerly Sarcasticidealist) 07:08, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Reaction to the death of Michael Jackson

I disagree with your edit and ask you to revert yourself. The AfD is about this article, so it should not be redirected until that discussion is closed. If people want to discuss Death of Michael Jackson that will need a separate AfD, otherwise things will get terribly confused. What we need is an uninvolved admin to snow close that one, but until that happens, as a matter of procedure, you shouldn't redirect the article. Cheers — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:27, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

By the way, did you discuss the creation of Death of Michael Jackson at all prior to creating it through protection? The consensus on ANI yesterday seemed to be that the article was not appropriate. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:33, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Images in template

Greetings SV! The reason I removed the images is because the template (when it has images) for some reason widens the article page where the template has been put in. A horizontal scroll bar appears and you have to move it or use the right arrow button to see the rest of the page. It's not a huge deal, but why mess up the format of the page. If there is a way for this not to occur, I wouldn't mind having the images in the template. On a slightly separate note, if you don't mind Huldra and I prefer the olive-green color instead of other colors so that it matches the infobox. Olive green is representative of Palestinian villages—at least I think so. --Al Ameer son (talk) 21:40, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks and best of luck! Cheers, Al Ameer son (talk) 22:01, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Death of Michael Jackson

Just stopping by to tell you that I think you've done a great job on the article. Keep it up! TheLeftorium 09:24, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Nice work. :-) AdjustShift (talk) 19:21, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Richard Catling

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Notability not established.

All contributions are appreciated, but this article may not satisfy Misplaced Pages's criteria for inclusion, and the deletion notice should explain why (see also "What Misplaced Pages is not" and Misplaced Pages's deletion policy). You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page.

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Please assume good faith in your dealings with other editors, which you did not on Talk:People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals. Assume that they are here to improve rather than harm Misplaced Pages. — NRen2k5, 02:40, 29 June 2009 (UTC)