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June 2009

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Whale Wars. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution. You are over 3 reverts in one day on the article. Consider taking your concerns to the talkpage. Both warring editors are being warned. Terrillja _talk 01:22, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Hi Terrilja,
Actually the dispute is over a related page, Sea Shepherd.
Two weeks ago the other editor, Mr.NRen, quietly ammended "violent" in the middle of the group's Method: direct action (info-box).

Now, if it had been in the body text, no big deal  right.
But that info box is fairly prominent. And apparently he made no attempt to discuss this change beforehand. Nonetheless, the archived record shows no clear consensus about hypernyms like violence and terrorism as they apply to SSCS, although Mr.NR shows his early bias there. (More on that later)

Back to his POV edit: when another editor objected on the talk page a week later, Mr.NR quoted two ambiguous sources on what constitutes violence (in wikipedia and two dictionaries) -- saying "it's pretty clear" when, actually, it isn't. The primary definition of violence is force against people.

Although the SSCS engages in violence against property, it is decidedly not against people.
The page on direct action lists nonviolent and violent direct action. But it doesn't really list "violent direct action" as an accepted term/label, and that's where I think he took liberty in applying it to the SSCS.

Unfortunately, I thought Mr.NR might be an honest sort of fellow interested in finding a compromise. Instead, he comes off patronizing and dismissive. Thus I made my second mistake in engaging his petty side. I've never claimed to be a saint.

Now, I know some people are gonna say this is just semantics, but I dont think so. And I'm not alone, no matter how hard Mr.NR tries to ignore others.

So I reverted his edit back to "direct action" which is consistent with other activists' pages on wikipedia -- see the list on the direct action page. Then the revert war started and I took the issue to Editor assistance for some third-party feedback. Yet there, I think, he distorts and personalizes the dispute. "bad faith" ad nauseum. He also seems to dominate the discussion instead of allowing others to weigh in first.

And get this: he accuses me of bias yet he's the one who says things like "Balance is not the goal" when clearly it is a major tenet of wikipedia's policies . He also talks about getting kicked off of other forums (which he has since removed from his talk page) and he repeatedly claims that the Sea Shepherds are "terrorists." &

So there we have it.
I hope this clarifies some things. If you have any questions please feel free to reply here.
Thanks.

ANI Discussion

There is an discussion specifically regarding you at ANI Excirial 12:26, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Thankyou for the notice. From what I've seen, it's more about him than me. Apparently he missed the ANI intro, "Please do not clutter this page with accusations"

And thanks for replying there. Sadly, his skewed sense of persecution is getting worse. Some might even say he's a Wiki:Bully -- I stood up to him, now he's crying foul any way and anywhere he can. Since you got a good sense of the back&forth from his W.Aa, you might like to check out his earlier appeals at my E.a.r . Cheers. Fhue (talk) 21:15, 19 June 2009 (UTC) Fhue (talk) 22:20, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Dispute

I’ve notified a few editors who I’ve worked with and asked them to weigh in on the issue. I believe the way I did so is within the rules (WP:CANVAS). Feel free to correct me if I’m wrong, and feel free to do so yourself (within the rules, of course). — NRen2k5, 00:16, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Fine. But should we really expect your friends to give you anything other than their subjective support? Odd how you can't quite seem to accept the feedback already given by administrative 3rd parties like User:Chamal_N, User:Mendaliv, User:Nerdseeksblonde, User:Excirial and User:Bwilkins, not to mention the localized discussion from User:Sugaar, User:Cptnono and others. By the way, your profanity is not welcome here. Fhue (talk) 02:35, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

My friends?? — NRen2k5, 07:14, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Furthermore, I accept the feedback of the other editors; I just disagree with it. — NRen2k5, 08:55, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Apparently you dont accept it. How many admins have told you to stop?
But you won't get the last word here. Fhue (talk) 22:18, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

July 2009

Please do not delete or edit legitimate talk page comments, as you did at Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive547. Such edits are disruptive and appear to be vandalism. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you.

Archives are just that: archives. They’re meant to keep a record of discussions that are now finished and are not meant to be edited. If you feel there is something unresolved in an archived discussion, the proper thing to do would be to ask an experienced editor or an admin about unarchiving it or starting a new discussion on the matter. Adding comments to archived discussions is considered petty and quite frankly silly because the likelihood of someone taking any interest in your edit is slim to none anyway. — NRen2k5, 05:43, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

As i said in my edit summary, you are NOT admin. You have no right to lecture me or anyone else about this, so stop with your template warnings -- like & which i removed earlier but now want others to see -- and I've seen you do that to other editors you're hounding, as well, like this one removed by SlimVirgin. On the archived WQA, your "Incorrect.." reply in small font under Bwilkin's admin note is unacceptable -- and you know it or else you would complain more elsewhere. Fhue (talk) 18:04, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

I am not an admin. So what? I absolutely have the right to lecture on this, because you're wrong and you're acting like a petulant child. You don't need to be an admin to use template warnings, nor do you need to be an admin to add small summary text to the top of discussions. I am not "hounding" other editors. You've already been told to stop mischaracterizing users' actions like that. The reason I stopped "complaining" for a while is because of exactly what we see going on right here. You revert war, play the victim, troll, and refuse to get a clue. — NRen2k5, 00:58, 2 July 2009 (UTC)