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Even better PLC map

Could you create a more detailed Image:Rzeczpospolita voivodships.png, with as many details as the map in Dzikie Pola 2nd edition? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 12:23, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Mapy znowu

Polish-Muscovy War (1605-1618) approaches FAC and I'd love to have some map before that. I think your basic map of Commwealth with locations and dates of main battles would be sufficient. Can you do it? Btw, you may find this page of mine of interest: . --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 10:23, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

Zaznacz tyle, na ile masz czasu. Idealnie, osobne mapki i jedna zbiorcza bylaby najlepsza, ale zrobisz tyle, na ile masz czas. Nie kojarze nazw 'Carowo Zajmiszcze' i 'Nowodziewicze Pola', ale poszukam - tylko daj mi znac jaki to byl konflikt :) Aha, z twojego starego campaignboxa o Dymitriadach usunałem Humienno i Sasowy Róg - to były bitwy kamapnii Mołdawskiej (Moldavian Magnate Wars). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 13:37, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

If we can't find the info, perhaps we can ask our Russian friends from the Misplaced Pages:Wikiportal/Russia/Russia-related Misplaced Pages notice board for help? They should know Russia geography better then we. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 16:27, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

Juz sie slinie :) Legende przesunalbym gdzies indziej, by Moskwe bylo dobrze widac. Nie moge znalezc zadnej mapki online Dymitriad, ale ide przeszukac atlasy i takie tam :) Jak cos znajde, zeskanuje i podesle ci. A mapka DP piekna jest, zaprawde :) Chocby dla niej warto podrecznik kupic :) --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 20:59, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

As I hoped, we can have help here. User:KNewman offered to find those places, and indeed, he found where Tsarovo is. See User_talk:Piotrus#Your_request_for_help and Misplaced Pages:Wikiportal/Russia/Russia-related_Wikipedia_notice_board#Polish-Muscovy_War_.281605-1618.29  :) Just ask them for all other places you are not sure, and we should have data for great map soon :) --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 10:33, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Zobacz Image:Polen 1921-1939.png i Image:Polen Galizien Wolhynien.png. Gosciu - chyba Niemiec robiacy mapki na niemiecka wiki - on chyba nie wie o twoich mapkach. Moze mozecie sobie wzajemnie pomoc w robieniu mapek, no i nie duplikowac swojej pracy. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 13:52, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Ukraina i poludnie sa dosc malo wazne dla Dymitriad. Albo po prostu wypchnac legende na jakis bok i tym samym rozszerzyc format mapki. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 15:50, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Found a printed (but in English) atlas, ed. Czapliński i Ładogórski ~1980. Zeskanuje i wysle ci wkrotce co sie da, niestety, nie miesci sie do mojego skanera. Goraco polecam jesli jeszcze nie masz! Na zbiorczej mapie jest tez mapa wojny 1609-1612, widze Tsarovo, Mozhajsk i inne bitwy :) --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 19:29, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

Any chance for a map of the Polish-Muscovy War? It is one of two things I think this article needs before it can be FACed. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 17:55, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Template talk:Infobox Biography

I'm having some issues on John Vanbrugh. People keep removing the infobox! I think it's quite useful as it does take some hunting to find information about birth places, birth dates and death dates/places in many of the articles. Could you comment on the talk page? - Ta bu shi da yu 02:53, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

:Image:

Czy mozesz mi dać komment na zdieć. Czy musze nazywać jako "fair use" według czebie?

Mozzerati 18:15, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

Could you help?

Dear Halibutt, I have an edit war with Irpen concerning Polish names of Ukrainian cities. I find it usefull, if the names of city in all related languages are listed on the first raw of the paper. It's quit reasonable to include Polish names of Ukrainian cities. (No political reasons, just a matter of convenience and completeness of the information). Now I am approaching 3RR. Could you please help me and revert Chernihiv and Kiev articles, unless Polish name is there?

May be we can do something togrthere againsr Irpen's destructive activity?

Regards,--AndriyK 23:06, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

I would be interested to see Halibutt's response. In fact this was discussed and a near consensus was reached that Polish names should be used in articles about all Ukrainian cities that have place in the Polish history. In many cases they belong to the history of the city part of the article (like Voivodship name). In some cases the Polish names should also be given in the first line. This should be used for the cities, whose Polish name may be found in the English literature, not just in Polish. The most notable is Lviv where Polish name is warranted. It is also warranted for Kamianets-Podilskyi, but that article has a separate paragraph about names and a Polish name is moved there for purely stillistical purposes. In similar fasion, Russian "Varshava" or "Belostok" don't belong to the first line of these articles but perhaps could be used in the history. This was discussed and Halibutt knows the appropriate talk pages. Should we resume this discussion? --Irpen 23:20, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Dear Halibutt, I'd suggest you do not discuss with Irpen anything anymore. I tried, but it does not help, unfortunatelly. We have to find another way to newtralize her/his distructive activity.--AndriyK 23:27, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Mapka Dymitriady beta

Super :) Przydał yby się strzałki - szlaczki, i daty bitew. Moze trzy-cztery rodzaje (kolory?) szlaczkostrzałków dla odpowiednich podkampanii (1dym, 2dym, wojna 1609-1612, wojna 1616-17). Aha, zerknij tez na talk artykułu - wyguglałem gdzieś jeszcze z trzy miejsca, które moglby być warte naniesienia - gdyby ktoś to potwierdził :) Jak tylko będzie mapka, nominuje artykul do FACa :) --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 23:56, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

O przycięciu też myślałem, dobry pomysł. I faktycznie, najlepiej przyjąć granice sprzed Dywilna, zazanczyć zmiany terytorialne z dywilna jakims polski-ruskimi kreskami (zielono-rózowe), i darować sobie kreski/odcinenie na innych obszarach. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 00:02, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

Treaty of Dywilino + mapka z Dzikich Pól (skan na mojej stronie) powinny dać odpowiedź :) --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 00:22, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

Map skills

Halibutt, I know you have a rep for map making. I was wondering if there is any chance you could potentially do a GPL version of the Image:GhettosinPoland.gif (right), perhaps even combined with Image:Massdeportations.gif, or other information that might be useful. It would be very useful for the FA candidacy of History of the Jews in Poland, and potentially elsewhere as well. If you don't have time, that is fine, but I thought I would ask. --Goodoldpolonius2 01:43, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you :) . I will ask you for your support if needed e.g. some sources or references or more information as you seem to know baout Central European history more than me Knyaz 08:37, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

partition of poland map

your map of the first partition of Poland is somewhat incorrect. It shows that Silesia still belongs to Austria, but Prussia had already conquered Silesia years before.

Also it would be helpful if you put all the place names in English, rather then just some then the rest in Polish

Czy świadomie podałeś datę sierpniową przy głosowaniu o usunięcie przekierownia, chyba że czegoś nie zrozumiałem ?

we're on the english wikipedia here, hence the en. start on the URL, so we type in english here mate, aight? keep the polski to the Polish wikipedia, no one here cares what something says in Polish, or else we'd go on the Polish Misplaced Pages.

I certainly don't mind Polish on talk pages, but the original poster is correct in that this map does present Silesia in Austria, not Prussia. Olessi 05:22, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

the same with the 2nd paritition of Poland map, Silesia is shown In Austria rather then Prussia

I see u havent changed the maps, and u sent me a message a while ago (sorry this isnt my usual computer) stating that u didnt understand what I meant. Well maybe since most of Silesia is in Poland now, and u seem to like Polish history, u should look it up, and more specifically look up the wars of Frederick the Great, that is the War of Austrian Succession and the Seven Years War.

Wieluń

Hello Halibutt, I was hoping you have access to texts that state that the bombing of Wieluń was terror bombing. User Tobias R recently recently cited a source in that article that says it was "strategic" bombing. ] 14:12, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

Award

I hereby award you, Halibutt, this Barnstar of National Merit for your tireless and countless contributions to articles relating to Poland. That is the first of the bunch you deserve :) Renata3 13:42, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

You are welcome. Even if you would be the devil himself, nobody can deny your contributons about Poland. And this is just a small gesture to show I and other wikipedians valua and appreciate your edits. Renata3 02:00, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Deleting the Black Book

Sure I can delete this, but... I cannot find it :> You may want to list it on Misplaced Pages:Speedy_deletions#Deletion_of_personal_pages - it will get deleted quickly, and with more 'authority'. Through I wonder if the talk page should not be preserved (isn't it were the Jimbo comment was?). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 16:02, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

What do (and Poland in general) think about the Serbs, their history, culture and other? HolyRomanEmperor 19:49, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Sig fix

Since you lost the tt-talk page link from your sig, check this out: Misplaced Pages:How to fix your signature.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 00:08, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Thank you

Dziekuje bardzo ze napisales w zwiazku z jezykiem rosyjskim na swej stronie. Wiem dobrze co Polacy w ogole mysla o nas (resp. Rosyjanie, gdybym przypamietal, ze jestem Zydem). --VKokielov 02:20, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

I was talking about your user page. --VKokielov 05:00, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Or on your talk page. You have Misplaced Pages:Babel, and Russian is in the list.  :)

One Estonian man put down "ru-0" just to show how much he likes Russian culture. I told him he shouldn't do such things.  ;) --VKokielov 05:24, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Polish has thrown up more resistance than any other Slavic language. Have you ever seen one of your declension tables?  ;) No; it wasn't out of the blue; and would not have been. --VKokielov 06:38, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Let me use the right keyboard...Mowią, że babka mojej babki (jej nazwisko było Sosnicka), przyjechała z mążem z polskiego kraju, ponieważ było ich wygnano za anti-rosyjską działalność. --VKokielov 18:09, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

An impression

This poem of Tuwim's is memorable. And I remember it.

Ucz się, dziecko, polskiej mowy
To przed domem, to są groby,
Małe groby, wielki cmentarz.
Taki jest twój elementarz.

Ustawiły się w szeregu
Czarne krzyże w brudnym sniegu
Na Warszawie mrok żałoby;
Ucz się pięknej polskiej mowy.

Well, I hope I remember it. --VKokielov 21:43, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Bobov and Zolkiev

Hello! I saw hassidic dynasties and some shtetls (sztetele, derfele), but Where is there?? Dubno(Volhynia), Zolkiev, Bobov and Lubavich.

I have a road map of Belarus and Ukraine, but maybe it is small village now.

see also List of Hasidic dynasties.

also Morris Rosenfeld(*Boksza), Sidney Myer(*Kryczew, Belarus?), Yosef Rosen, Abraham Zvi Idelsohn, these people is from Litwak world.

--User:Sheynhertz-Unbayg/sig 10:41, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for Dubno, etc --User:Sheynhertz-Unbayg/sig 05:45, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

County or powiat?

I just moved Powiat of Sanok to Sanok County, and after that checking the history I discovered that you carried out the opposite move a few months ago. I guess you might be interested in my rationale for this. It is simply that we should maintain consistency. Currently, the form County X is by far the most common in Category:Land counties of Poland. If we go for the other form, we should change all of them. Balcer 06:20, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing me to Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Geography of Poland. I didn't know that question has been settled to favour the Powiat of X form. If that's the case, let's work to change all of the powiat articles to that form. I will get started on this later today.

As for using bots modified from Polish Misplaced Pages to generate articles about Polish localities on English wiki, it's a good idea. Let me know what develops. Balcer 17:55, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

Sounds good. I like the template idea. Let's do this gradually, one or two voivodships per day each, so that if other interested users want to express an opinion, they can do so. Balcer 18:18, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

For places which used to belong to Germany, "X County" can be used for disambiguation between "X Powiat" and "X Landkreis". Ausir 23:26, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Bot-generated articles

pl:Wikipedysta:Tsca was the one who generated articles about all communes of Poland at pl: so you probably should talk to him about that. Ausir 15:56, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

Hej.

• wygenerowany botem artykuł wygląda tak: przykład
• lista artykułów, które mogę wrzucić jest na stronie pl:Gminy_Polski

Aby projekt zrealizować, trzeba:

• przetłumaczyć przykładowy artykuł na angielski (nie pamiętam, czy Ausir to zrobił; zamierzał chyba)
• ustawić flagę +bot dla user:tsca.bot (zaraz założę to konto) - nie znam tutejszych procedur, zapewne wymagają zgody społeczności na wrzucenie tych artykułów (a może nie - nie wiem).

tsca ✉ 18:48, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

Jan Henryk Wołodkowicz

Jan Henryk Wołodkowicz requires translation from French (or whatever) mikka (t) 18:32, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

RfAr

As you are aware, an arbitration request against User:AndriyK has been filed. You already co-signed it but I am leaving this message to you just to have a link that you were notified. Feel free to add your statement to the case. Thanks, --Irpen 22:48, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

ArbCom accepted

This is the generic message left at several editors' talk pages in relation to the ArbCom case Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration#Community_vs._User:AndriyK. Since the fourth ArbCom member has recently voted to accept the case, the case is now considered accepted by the ArbCom as per Arbitration Policy. Please make sure your statement for the ArbCom is on the page if you are willing to write one (OTOH, being named as a party does not require you to make a statement, it just gives you a right to write one) and please make sure your statement is proofread if you wrote it earlier. Please, also, make sure your statement is in the appropriate place of the ArbCom page and not interjecting with others' statements. You are welcome to read up on the Misplaced Pages:Arbitration_policy and the associate pages.

--Irpen 04:00, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Blog

Masz? A zlinkujesz na stronie głównej (mój tak można znaleźć)? Bo chawlić się, że masz i nie dawać linka to nieładnie :> --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 23:00, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Faktycznie maly :) I nie ma RSS - wiec nie moge sledzic Bloglines :( Pomysl nad migracja na cos z RSS jak bedziesz sie tym powazniej bawil.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 23:50, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Rzeczpospolita.ogg

Hi, could you please create an ogg file with a correct pronunciation of the word "Rzeczpospolita"? It's surely a tough nut to crack for most English speakers and it would be a good addition to Rzeczpospolita and perhaps to Rzeczpospolita (newspaper). And I know you've made some very useful ogg's in the past. Thanks – Kpalion (talk) 23:06, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Done () and added to where it belongs. Hope you like it, I'm not entirely happy with it, but that's how far my voice goes after a night and day at work, with 2 packets of cigarettes behind me and little sleep ahead.. Halibutt 11:35, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

I think it's very good. Thanks a lot! – Kpalion (talk) 23:49, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Nikifor Grigoriev

I believe this was the name of the fellow whose switching sides you cited in the Volodarka article. Fisenko has just created the article for him. I thought you might be interested. --Irpen 06:18, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

No, it was most surely not the guy (and the article is pretty clear on that). If memory serves me right, it was either the Bde of Aleksandr Salnikov or of Vadim Yakovlev. I'm not 100% certain, but these two fought on the Polish side from about that time. Halibutt 11:30, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Or was it Boris Peremykin..? Halibutt

Than it should be Yakovlev, I think. I will try to find more to write and article or will ask Fisenko. You may keep the dialog at one talk page. No need to switch back and forth. --Irpen 19:20, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

HELP! Anty-semicka legislacja w przedwojennej Polsce.

> In the 1930s the realm of official and > semiofficial discrimination expanded to encompass limits on Jewish export > firms...

Wlasnie przegrywam dyskusje z jednym Amerykaninem. Moja pozycja jest taka, ze nie bylo rzadowych ustaw antysemickich. On podal dwa przyklady:

Ustawa emigracyjna z 1938 roku (klops, bo faktycznie byla antysemicka :() i wlasnie powyzszy przyklad. Czy byla oficjalna polityka nie przyjmowania Zydow do strategicznych dzialow takich jak banki i koleje, czy tylko nieoficjalny zwyczaj? czy istotnie byly nalozone jakies limity na zydowskie firmy? Drogi Halibucie, ratuj!!! <--- umm zapomnialem sie zalogowac. To bylem ja, szopen :) 150.254.32.131 11:50, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Anti-Jewish sentiments continued to be present in Poland, even after the country regained its independence. One notable manifestation of these attitudes includes numerus clausus rules imposed, by almost all Polish universities in the 1930's. William W. Hagen in his Before the "Final Solution": Toward a Comparative Analysis of Political Anti-Semitism in Interwar Germany and Poland article in Journal of Modern History (July, 1996): 1-31, details:

"In Poland, the semidictatorial government of Pilsudski and his successors, pressured by an increasingly vocal opposition on the radical and fascist right, implemented many anti-Semitic policies tending in a similar direction, while still others were on the official and semiofficial agenda when war descended in 1939.... In the 1930s the realm of official and semiofficial discrimination expanded to encompass limits on Jewish export firms... and, increasingly, on university admission itself. In 1921-22 some 25 percent of Polish university students were Jewish, but in 1938-39 their proportion had fallen to 8 percent." To cytat z wikipedii. Drugiego teraz nie moge znalezc, bo watek sie rozrosl potwornie, ponoc wprowadzono ustawe zadajaca, by Zydzi mieli specjalne identyfikatory? To jakies bzdury totalne chyba... Szopen 13:27, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

This is how cool you are

It seems that your never ending voting has calmed down a bit. I would like to say that I’m really in awe of how you handled it. This is for you --SylwiaS 22:50, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Zdaje się, że pierogów na Święta Ci nie zabraknie. Tu jest coś na poprawę humoru w sprawach gdańskich itp.--SylwiaS 09:59, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Arbitration accepted

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/AndriyK has been accepted. Please place evidence on Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/AndriyK/Evidence. Proposals and comments may be placed on Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/AndriyK/Proposed decision. Fred Bauder 02:26, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Wondering...

I am wondering, does my discussion with User:Ilmari Karonen or User:Jni look as much as random gibberish (like a cat has danced on your keyboard) to you as your discussion with Proconsul Pietro looks to me? =) — JIP | Talk 13:32, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

GG?

1) Tlen mi cos nie dziala, uzwasz GG? Moje to 1298166. 2) sprawdasz poczte na tlenie? Wyslalem ci ciekawa rzecz (LinkedIn invitka). Wyglada przydatnie.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 22:12, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Do Reconsider Please

Hi,

As you may remember, I opposed your recent nomination for adminship. I don't regret doing so, as I have my own reasons for voting conservatively on RfA in general (which I'd be happy to discuss, if you wish.) I am sad, though, to hear you won't be applying again. Many wonderful candidates respond to RfA concerns by improving or moderating behaviors, or at least being more careful in acting. Given that your support was quite high, I'd respectfully ask that you keep open the option of applying again. I, for one, was looking forward to supporting a future RfA on your behalf. You may have a few inveterate "Wiki-enemies" (that isn't uncommon), but most RfA voters are rational and fair-minded. Personally, for what it's worth, I think your reapplication in several months quite likely to succeed. The choice is yours, of course. Best wishes, Xoloz 06:48, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

I think several of us wanted nothing to do with whatever nationalistic arguments might have been simmering, and I paid little attention to them. The TfD dispute -- recent and unrelated to nationalism (as far as I know) -- was the primary particular reason for my vote, and several others (including the Neutrals too.) I would expect those votes to reverse, if there are no other recreation out-of-process incidents.

Also, weird though it is, RfA voters tend to hold you accountable for your entire record at the first RfA, and then to dismiss all but the WORST old SINS (like threatening to hurt Jimbo or something) in a future RfA. In my experience, anyway, a second RfA only considers the record after first RfA. So, anything that happened long ago, only to be drudged up, might be forgotten again soon. Sounds funny, but it happens.

The last thing I'd add is that you can be sure at least one vote would DEFINITELY change, so take heart, if you like. Best wishes, Xoloz 07:14, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Ditto what Xoloz said. I'm still waiting to hear tho, what I said that was so horribly "offensive"... Tomer 07:42, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

I Ditto that too, things need to cool off. Trzymaj się. Karol 09:15, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the message. I'm sorry to hear that you won't be running again, and hope you reconsider. Leithp (talk) 09:23, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Your message

Czesz. well unbelievable, i'm sorry to hear that your candidature failed. but if the majority felt that way, that's how it goes. just take the comments as a constructive criticism of what areas can be improved, and not as a collective "condemnation", because even those who opposed you gave you credit for your contributions. so see that as a hopefull sign, read their feedback carefully and grab the chance to maybe have a different approach on communication. all the best... Gryffindor 11:14, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Although Halibutt didn't leave a message for me, I support Gryffindor here. In a month or two, I will be the first to nominate Halibutt for adminship. --Ghirlandajo 11:21, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Well, I would say that the majority felt that Halibutt would make an excellent admin. Unless we think that we have something like a larger and a smaller half, 71% definitely makes a majority, lol. (Halibutt, nigdy nie mów nigdy!)--SylwiaS 12:24, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Not a big deal

Being admin is not a big deal. BTW, I agree with your last change of the lead of history of the Jews in Poland. Cheers. Vb 11:42, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Your RFA

I'm really sorry to hear that your request did not pass. I chose neutral because of the amount of oppose votes, and their reservations, but I think I'll be able to provide full support next time. Until then, best of luck! --Merovingian 12:03, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Still, I'm rather certain that somebody will nominate you in the future. --Merovingian 12:57, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Your RfA

I wouldn't give up on being an admin if that is something you want to do! My advice is to wait a few months, let things settle, and then reapply. I am positive that you will have much more support the second time around, especially if everyone sees that you have put any previous problems behind you and worked on for the better. I do wish you luck in any endeavors you undertake. If you decide to reapply, please let me know and I will vote! Best luck! --Martin Osterman 14:31, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Well, remember that you're talking to someone who has less than 300 edits on the namespace and hopes (someday) to apply for an Admin position should my internet ever decide to load Wiki faster than it currently does (molasses is faster right now). You've got a great edit count and lots of community interaction. Give it some time, see how the community reacts, and then go from there! If you reapply down the road and there are no serious problems, you'll have my vote. --Martin Osterman 17:24, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Hey Halibutt. Don't worry about it, and don't let it get you down. Regroup, and next time someone nominates you it'll come through. In the meantime, don't hesitate to let me know if you need anything. —thames 15:17, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. I supported your RfA this time and will the next. I can empathize, since my RfA also failed a couple of months ago. I am trying to address some of the negative voter's points and others, I will just ignore. I will probably try again sometime in 2006. I suggest you do them same. --Rogerd 17:49, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Barnstar

Hi, I'm sorry your RFA wasn't successful, I'm sure you'll get it next time though. Take a barnstar for your active participation in the community, your 16,527 edits (!), and your contributions (of every variety). Izehar 16:45, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

RfA

Halibutt, I'm sorry your RfA didn't go through. I know you said you won't seek adminship again, but if you change your mind, you will certainly have my vote again. Keep up the great work.

On another note, I noticed that we now have the article Three Bards. I also see that you added Norwid to Template:Three Bards. Do you think the template and/or article should be renamed, or should we leave things the way they are? Appleseed 18:33, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

You're welcome, my friend, I'm proud to have supported you and will do so again! I'm very glad you are staying on Misplaced Pages, it sorely needs good and good natured editors such as yourself. At some point in the not too distant future, I strongly urge you to reconsider running for admin again. With the strong outpouring of support you received, plus the fact the infamous "black book" is now gone, you will almost certainly make it next time around. Cheers and best regards,--R.D.H. (Ghost In The Machine) 18:55, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for your gracious message. Adminship qualifications aside, you are a very valuable Misplaced Pages editor and a credit to the project. As you know, the important business of Misplaced Pages is writing and editing articles; I'd rather see a user focus on editing rather than doing administrative tasks any day. — Knowledge Seeker দ 05:41, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Quid pro quo

Since you deleted my comment on this page – as is your right – I've deleted yours on mine.

The main issue between us has been the use of German names for cities in historical pieces about the period in which the cities were German or predominantly German. As I recall you voted against referring to Danzig from 1308 to 1793 as Danzig. If I remember correctly, you also resisted German nomenclature in the Copernicus article. If that's not so, I apologize. If I've attributed the actions of other Polish users, such as Molobo and Space Cadet, to you, I apologize.

Footnote re your comment: Danzig was not German "millenia ago." Nor was it Polish millenia ago. But it was German 60 years ago, and predominantly German for about six centuries before that.

Sca 20:17, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

It would be funny if it wasn't so sad. Halibutt

An explanation

Halibutt, your rant on my page is over the top. I have NEVER suggested that articles about present-day events in Gdansk or any other ex-German, now-Polish places reference historical names unless such are relevant to the specific topic. For example, "Danzig" would be irrelevant to an article about the shipyard in Gdansk – UNLESS that article went into the entire history of the shipyard. Certainly, no article about Lodz should include whatever the spurious Nazi name was, because it was never generally known by that name.

On the other hand, "Frauenburg" is completely relevant to an article about Copernicus's work there, because that was Frombork's name when he lived there.

My main point all along has been that Poland in 1945-89 and many Poles (even today) have sought to conceal or obscure the true history of the ex-German areas of their country. My secondary point has been that some of these places were known to most of the world by their German names for a long time, which should be explained where RELEVANT. This is especially true of Danzig/Gdansk, given its unique history in the interwar period and internationally high profile politically.

I find all this important in an encyclopedia because, at the popular level in the U.S., the transformations of 1945-49 remain largely an untold story. It's important because it's part of the savagely inhumane story of WWII and its aftermath. The entire history should be known.

Now to my "obsession." The topic is fascinating, to me, because Prussia is the German Atlantis – a civilization, if you will, that has disappeared beneath the waves of history. I am reminded of the title of a German Jew's book about Königsberg: "Zeugnis zur Untergang Königsbergs," which in literal English is "Witness to the under-going of Königsberg." Prussia (and by extension German Silesia and Pomerania) has sunk out of sight, has "gone under." But, as is the case with the "Titanic," the "Bismarck" and the "Wilhelm Gustloff," not without a trace – as any visitor to certain parts of Poland, and Kaliningrad, will discover.

Beyond that, the story of the German "Catastrophe," as Friedrich Meinecke called it, should be important to every human being. It is the ultimate object lesson in the evils of nationalism, ethnocentrism, racism and despotism. And the territorial/ethnic results of Hitler's war should be an integral part of that story.

Is that reason enough for you?

Sca 20:44, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Don't Give Up Just Yet

This template was great, and I think you learned alot from this rfa process. Please let me know the next time you're up for rfa, i'll be glad to give you strong support after seeing that template and some other talk page contribs here and there -- your article space contribs are excellent. karmafist 08:39, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Nie tak zza grobu, bo cały czas mam na was chłopaki oko. Byłem w szpitalu na głowę, ale to wiesz, że szpitale mają komputery z internetem (mają nawet roboty roznoszące leki), problem leży wyłącznie w zbajerowaniu właściwej panienki. Czołem Halibutt, miłych edycji, Kosmak na Orbicie aka Space Cadet 12:34, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Tak, mam zamiar cie renominowac po Nowym Roku :> wiec zbieraj sily--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 23:52, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Zerknij

http://en.wikipedia.org/History_of_Belarus Dość kontrowersyjne zmiany w dziale o Rzeczpospolitej Obojga Narodów. --Molobo 12:21, 30 November 2005 (UTC) Polecam też ten doskonały materiał do dyskusjo o histori Wschodniej Europy http://www.taraskuzio.net/academic/history.pdf

Dokumentuje jak Rosyjska i Sowiecka historiografia fałszowały na użytek polityki historię tej części świata. --Molobo 13:13, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Jesli przesuwasz komentarze, zachowaj przynajmniej numeracje - teraz nie wiadomo, czyje komantrzarze do ktorego twojego punktu sie odnosily :( --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 23:51, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Re:Italian artists

If I was not personaly involved in the case (and quite a few others), I'd block him for personal attacks. I am however afraid that it would do little to discourage him. Still, something should be done, he is definetly breaking the Misplaced Pages:Etiquette. RfC may be a bit too much - I think we should try with something less drastic, as suggested by Misplaced Pages:Resolving disputes. He is not Zvinbudas, after all, and as long as the matter does not deal with value-judging of Russians and their neighbours his edits are quite reasonable. You may also want to check if he has not broken 3RR in the History of Belarus article, I think he is pretty close.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 13:33, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Hali, please remind your buddy that any POV-pushing admin may be defrocked. I think quite a few editors have had their share of his unfriendly behaviour and occasional personal attacks. --Ghirlandajo 13:50, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Ghirlandajo has started editing words like "bullshit" into articles. --Molobo 14:58, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=History_of_Belarus&action=edit With Napoleon's defeat, Belarus became part of Imperial Russia. --Bullshit: it has been part of Russia for decade preceding Napoleon's invasion --> It's done in G's style, in which he hides his personal remarks in articles. --Molobo 15:47, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Here you go: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=History_of_Belarus&diff=prev&oldid=29807287 --Molobo 15:59, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Molobo/Archive01#Slavic_differences "In my experience, the Poles talk about Russians, as anti-Semites talk about Jews" This is actually a slogan repeated by G. It was made by one of propaganda executives from Russian administration. --Molobo 16:10, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

And another one: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Talk:History_of_Belarus&diff=prev&oldid=29824478 "I start to think that incivility is a national feature of the Poles. " --Molobo 18:18, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Russians as Vodka Pissers

Halibutt, your calling Russians by that name is particularly appaling, as you recently were incriminated in calling every vodka drinker a Russian on your RfA page. Against the background of your failed RfA these slurs and Molobo's assaults on History of Belarus which you seem to have instigated look pretty much revanchistic. I still await your apologies, though. --Ghirlandajo 18:21, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Yes, Halibutt, for shame! Everyone knows the proper name to call them is Cossacks. Though some here in the States prefer to use "Russki Sons-A-Bitches", since the Cossacks were largely Ukrainian after all and one must avoid collateral damage when using nationalistic slurs. Now smile and shake hands or you get no Vodka! ;>--R.D.H. (Ghost In The Machine) 20:33, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Important AfD

Hello again. Sorry about the adminship bid. I encourage you to accept a nomination in the future. Misplaced Pages needs more assertive, content editors in its ranks of admins... Anyway, I am contacting editors applies NPOV and NOR standards rigidly for their input on Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/List of modern day dictators, where a consensus has yet to be established. (Given your knowledge of modern single-party state structures, your opinion will be particularly well-informed. For example, notice that Soviet bloc leaders are conspicuously absent from he list. There is the argument that general secretaries of Communist parties are not dictators because there is a collective leadership. I think that they are correct in arguing that it is POV to describe someone like Brezhnev as a dictator. Yet if they are not included, it implies that they were not dictators; and it is POV to claim that they were not dictators. Just about any classification is a Catch-22, so I favor deletion.) If you have time, please take a look at the page and add your input. Best regards. 172 07:47, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

:)

Bosz, co za strona... Gdy tylko znajdę czas, postaram sie przeczytać. Mam pracki na pl: (nie mówiąc o tzw. czasie rzeczywistym ;) ). A poza tym Girlek staje się coraz bardziej rozbrajający... :) jak tu nie lubić gościa? ;) Greets, aegis maelstrom δ 08:53, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Article title debate

Hi! There's now a debate over at Talk:Níðhöggr. Gene Nygaard and others are arguing, mostly on the basis of Google statistics, that we should not use diacritics in the page title. I asked him whether he was happy with the diacritics in Lech Wałęsa and his answer puzzles me. I wonder if you could add a Polish view there. Are you generally contested when you use diacritics in Polish names here? - Haukur Þorgeirsson 13:53, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for a swift and decisive reply :) - Haukur Þorgeirsson 14:07, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Ah, I get the opinions of the Pole and then I get their mirror image from his Russian stalker as a bonus. I admire how you find the strength to keep contributing under conditions like this. - Haukur Þorgeirsson 14:24, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

I'm in full agreement with you here, Haukur! Halibutt, don't let the "Vodka Pissers" get you down ;>--R.D.H. (Ghost In The Machine) 19:32, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

New Black Book

As regards your and Piotr's new Black Book project, I still wonder whether your first experience didn't learn you anything. After your failed RfAr, you and your cronies ganged up against me and escalated revanchist bullying and persecuting me on most articles I happen to edit. Can you do something more positive than calling Russians "vodka pissers" and spawning discord with your endless black book projects? If I don't receive apologies within several hours, I'll have to request for comment of your distressing behaviour. --Vodka Pisser 16:57, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Halibutt, I believe that mutual RfC procedures are rather pointless, because they take time which may be used for more productive editing but seldom change one's approach to editing. I genuinely hope that "vodka pisser" and Zulu comparisons, polack-slayers, and black books are all things of the past. You should agree that we've been both short-tempered over the previous days. I apologise if you found any of my comments insulting, although it was clearly not my wish to make them appear so. My editing style may seem harsh to others, but I can;t change myself. The comments by Mikkalai, Tony Sidaway, and scores of other respected editors are frequently even more peremptory. Hopefully we can get over our past differences and work together to make wikipedia articles more objective and less infected with nationalist sentiments. Our extensive contributions entitle us to mutual respect. --Ghirlandajo 12:40, 3 December 2005 (UTC)