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Cool user page! I especially like the article creation genie. If only it would do the cites for me. ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:33, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

I jacked it from my friend Alex on the Spanish-language Misplaced Pages. I've never actually used the genie. Cites = refs? Do you use the ref tool? It's still mostly manual. I wish I could put in a URL and have an intelligent bot parse out the entire ref. Someday in the future! Law _{type! snype?} 20:21, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

I've been trying to get CoM to use ref tool for months, yet no dice...it appears to be too easy and uncomplicated for him.--kelapstick (talk) 21:30, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

		The Bacon Barnstar
		For your promotion of all things bacon by creating the best emoticon ever, the person eating bacon, I award you the well earned Bacon Barnstar. Well done! kelapstick (talk) 21:26, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

W00T. Sometimes a barnstar clearly makes it all worth it. Law _{type! snype?} 00:46, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

That cannot possibly be someone eating bacon. That has to be someone breathing fire or "blowing hot air". I'd request a rename of the image if I were you. I think the appropriate information can be found here. . Killiondude (talk) 01:03, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

I've got a great emoticon just for you buddy. I'll email it. Law _{type! snype?} 01:17, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Are we sure this isn't the beans emoticon? I think there may be a mix-up. ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:53, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Is it so hard to grasp that I may be onto something here? Law _{type! snype?} 02:27, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Hey

you're good buddy ... DAMN GOOD! ;) — Ched :  ?  01:09, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

It is unfortunate that this RfB has taken such a downward spiral as far as commentary is concerned. If people are going to be disparaging they should really scrutinize their comments before posting them. Law _{type! snype?} 01:20, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

78.137.141.254

Hi, WP:3RRN is sleeping ATM so could you please block 78.137.141.254 (talk · contribs)? He's well over 3RR on two article. Thanks, --aktsu  23:57, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

You are correct. 31 hours should do. Please contact me if it continues. Law _{type! snype?} 00:10, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, much appreciated. Going by previous experiences with 3RRN I had little hope someone would take care of it within the next hour or two (seems like there are only a handful of admins frequenting) and you were the first online admin I saw :) The anone just added a personal attack on his talkpage (diff) which may or may not need to be dealt with should he continue, but I need to get some sleep :) (Seems like you noticed, nevermind :). Thanks again! --aktsu  00:30, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Removed "edit filter"

I have removed the "edit filter" right from Malleus Fatuorum. I am not sure why you gave him all of these rights, but the edit filter right is particularly dangerous and requires special technical knowledge. A poorly made filter can cause a lot of collateral damage. I am also not sure why he needs IP block exemption, that right is generally only used when some is being effected by autoblocks. Chillum 14:36, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

I gave him those rights because I feel it was merited. It was my discretion, however, you have the right to call my judgment into question. Law _{type! snype?} 14:39, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Well most of those rights are about trust, but "edit filter" is about technical ability. If one is not familiar with the logic of software programming a poorly made filter could block a lot of innocent people, bite newbies, protect pages, etc... I would not even recommend most admins attempting to edit a filter. Chillum 14:42, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

You may not understand that while I 'get' what the filter entails, I trust MF. Law _{type! snype?} 14:45, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

I have also remove the IP block exemption from MF. None of the reasons for granting it in our Misplaced Pages:IP block exemption policy seem to apply in this matter. Edit filter and ip block exemption are not given out simply because there is a level of trust, but because there is a need for it. The other rights are a matter of discretion. Chillum 14:51, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm confused. Did I not have the right to dole those out? Law _{type! snype?} 14:53, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Technically, you do. But certain of those "rights" are highly technical and should only be given to people who need them. Does Malleus have the regex skills to write filters and is willing to donate the time to combat wiki vandalism? If so, fine, if not, they shouldn;t be added. "Rights" are not badges, they are tools to be used. Rollback makes sense-I trust he combats vandalism when he sees it. Autoreviewer makes sense—he is an excellent content editor. Why account-creator, has he recently volunteered for WP-ACC? Why IPBE, has he moved to China? Does he have a specific need to edit through a banned open proxy? If you wish to "reward" Malleus for his work, the proper method is barnstars :) -- Avi (talk) 14:58, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

In future, please be advised that edit filter managers (formerly Abuse Filter editors) who are not admins should be vetted at WT:EF (for example, see Misplaced Pages talk:EF#Abuse Filter editors group membership request). –xeno 16:16, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

IPBE

While not necessary, it is usually a good idea to consult a checkuser when applying IPBE. I don't think Malleus is running a sockfarm, but IPBE, especially in conjunction with account creator, if given to the wrong account, can allow for the creation of massive amounts of vandal socks that has the CU and OS team working for hours to minimize the damage. Thanks. -- Avi (talk) 14:54, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

So the admin rights given to me were conditional? I used discretion, and while MF isn't my biggest fan, he is trustworthy. Law _{type! snype?} 14:57, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

No, but Chillum has the same rights you do to remove them, and I'd rather not see the two of you wheel war. Secondly, this subsection was specifically about IPBE and my sharing with you a little of the issues that I see regularly as a CU. -- Avi (talk) 15:00, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Also, see above for a more detailed explanation; thanks. -- Avi (talk) 15:00, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

So you want me to filter those that understand a hex editor, visual basic, C sharp, Java (not javacript), php and .asp? No. Law _{type! snype?} 15:04, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

If you give someone the keys to a forklift, make sure they know how to use a forklift first, simply trusting them is not enough to prevent them from accidentally crushing things. Chillum 15:09, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Or if I give you the keys to my apartment, I trust you to ask questions if you don't know how my fucking coffee-maker works. Law _{type! snype?} 15:10, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Not really the same thing. The right only allows editing filter, not lying on the couch or watching TV. It not a key to an apartment but the key to a piece of complex and dangerous equipment. Did MF even ask for this right? What prompted all of this? Chillum 15:12, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

(<-)/sigh Let's take it from the top. As an admin, you may give those tools to whomever you want. As an admin, Chillum may remove those tools from whomever he wants. As admins, if y'all start "edit warring" over rights, bad things will happen. My point here is to try and explain whose case seems to be stronger. When it comes to autoreveiwer/rollback, you, Law, have the stronger case. If I would have known MF didn't have those tools, I would have applied them myself. When it comes to EF, AC, and IPBE, Chillum has the stronger case, as those tools are not applicable to most editors and should be given out to those who will use them. Tools are not Badges. Thanks. -- Avi (talk) 15:15, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

I didn't know certain editors had better usage. It was not a badge. I gained adminship because I was trusted. I did not know it was conditional. Law _{type! snype?} 15:21, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Of course it is conditional. It is conditional to the communities opinion, to your peers opinion, to our policies. Admins get buttons not authority. You can use discretion, but the discretion is subject to scrutiny from others. Chillum 15:24, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Obviously you had no problem making that call. Law _{type! snype?} 15:26, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't think we need to escalate this disagreement by going back and forth right now. If you like you can seek further input at ANI and see what others think. I don't want to argue with you, I generally have respect for your opinion. I often take a walk when I get upset with how Misplaced Pages works, it does me wonders. Chillum 15:37, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Trouting

Whacking with a wet trout or trouting is a common practice on Misplaced Pages when experienced editors slip up and make a silly mistake. It, along with sentencing to the village stocks, is used to resolve one-off instances of seemingly silly behavior amongst normally constructive community members, as opposed to long term patterns of disruptive edits, which earn warnings and blocks.

Example

I would like to echo Chillum here in that adminship is indeed conditional, and further that it is conditional on not using the tools to disruptively make a point. I feel you've done this by granting all these rights seemingly without knowledge of their function or purpose, and without rational consideration as to the community norms and practices surrounding their granting. Please accept this trout-slap that I am issuing to remind you to consider your actions more carefully in the future. –xeno 16:45, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Malleus Fatuorum

I see you've been adding rights to Malleus' account. The reason he doesn't have them already is that he has specifically requested that admins not add such rights to his account because he has adopted a prinicpled stance against the means by which such userrights are acquired. I strongly recommend that you discuss such rights changes with users in advance to avoid this - I have not undone the addition, but have asked Malleus if he would like them removed, and will do so if he confirms once again that he would. Fritzpoll (talk) 15:37, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Whatever helps you sleep. Law _{type! snype?} 15:41, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Well, in this case, it was what made Malleus happy, so all done Fritzpoll (talk) 15:44, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

He wants all rights pulled. I appeased no one. Law _{type! snype?} 15:47, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

On not escalating drama in a public forum

TMDs

Why have I not been granted cool and powerful tools? ChildofMidnight (talk) 16:54, 12 July 2009 (UTC)