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Anyhow, if the investigating admin (Nathan or even Shell) would like any information about my actual location or permanent IP address, please feel free to contact me via email. Hopefully that will clear up any possibility that these anonymous IPs are me. They are not. I am more than happy to supply you with any information that could help put an end to QuackGuru's ridiculousness. Thanks! -- <b><font color="#996600" face="times new roman,times">]</font></b> <sup><font color="#774400" size="1" style="padding:1px;border:1px #996600 dotted;background:#FFFF99">]</font></sup> 01:59, 5 August 2009 (UTC) Anyhow, if the investigating admin (Nathan or even Shell) would like any information about my actual location or permanent IP address, please feel free to contact me via email. Hopefully that will clear up any possibility that these anonymous IPs are me. They are not. I am more than happy to supply you with any information that could help put an end to QuackGuru's ridiculousness. Thanks! -- <b><font color="#996600" face="times new roman,times">]</font></b> <sup><font color="#774400" size="1" style="padding:1px;border:1px #996600 dotted;background:#FFFF99">]</font></sup> 01:59, 5 August 2009 (UTC)


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* '''Comment by ]'''

The above, especially the part about May 8 (and onwards) is VERY interesting to me, because at the time the air literally reeked of Levine2112. Everything about the encounter gave me the same feelings now expressed by Shell Kinney above.
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To understand this particular edit war, one must realize that it was a very convoluted discussion at several levels, and any participants must have understood the intricacies of what was going on. There was obvious socking and/or meatpuppetry going on.
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A CU is absolutely necessary in this case. I strongly suspect that one or more of these IPs will appear hidden behind Levine2112's username during his editing history since he started (and before) using this username. IPs behind ] could also have been involved and should be checked.
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Here is the page's edit history from that time. It's quite a striking edit war. Notice the tag teaming between Levine2112 and the IPs. He is from Los Angeles and so are they (except for one SPI from B.C. who always supports Levine2112, and especially functions as ]'s shadow/alter ego), so I have added their locations. I have also bolded the probably related participants:
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* (cur) (prev) 20:48, May 17, 2009 QuackGuru (talk | contribs) (36,482 bytes) (rmv extra spaces) (undo)

* (cur) (prev) 05:32, May 15, 2009 Citation bot (talk | contribs) m (36,494 bytes) (Citation maintenance. Formatted: doi. You can use this bot yourself! Please report any bugs.) (undo)

* (cur) (prev) 05:47, May 14, 2009 BullRangifer (talk | contribs) (36,464 bytes) (Too many edits are being reverted at one time. The other matter should be proposed and it can be worked in. This one is properly sourced and it's vandalism to remove it.) (undo)

* (cur) () 02:46, May 14, 2009 '''''' (talk) (36,377 bytes) (Undid revision 289799721 by BullRangifer (talk) other matter should be addressed before reedit is made) (undo)

'''Los Angeles'''

* (cur) (prev) 02:17, May 14, 2009 BullRangifer (talk | contribs) (36,464 bytes) (Undid revision 289690250 by 166.135.62.157 (talk) It is very faithful to the source. The other part is another matter.) (undo)

* (cur) () 16:13, May 13, 2009 '''''' (talk) (36,377 bytes) (Levine is right. This is not what the fulltext says at all. Y'all should read it sometime.) (undo)

'''Los Angeles'''

* (cur) (prev) 15:41, May 13, 2009 QuackGuru (talk | contribs) (36,464 bytes) (faithfully sourced) (undo)

* (cur) (prev) 15:38, May 13, 2009 '''Levine2112''' (talk | contribs) (36,377 bytes) (I agree it has been discussed, but there is no consensus to include yet. The source has conflicting statements and we are leaving one of those statements out for some reason.) (undo)

'''Los Angeles'''

* (cur) (prev) 15:33, May 13, 2009 QuackGuru (talk | contribs) (36,464 bytes) (Per WP:BRD. This has been discussed on talk page. Talk:Chiropractic history#Mystical ideas sourced.) (undo)

* (cur) () 02:35, May 13, 2009 '''''' (talk) (36,377 bytes) (Bad faith edit) (undo)

'''Los Angeles'''

* (cur) (prev) 07:04, May 12, 2009 QuackGuru (talk | contribs) (36,464 bytes) (rmv extra space) (undo)

* (cur) (prev) 03:11, May 12, 2009 2over0 (talk | contribs) (36,465 bytes) (Undid revision 289311442 by 166.191.225.235 please also note that the Manual of style stipulates that refs be unspaced) (undo)

* (cur) () 19:38, May 11, 2009 '''''' (talk) (36,377 bytes) (Cease this fighting & talk it out Quackguru) (undo)

'''Los Angeles'''

* (cur) (prev) 19:09, May 11, 2009 QuackGuru (talk | contribs) (36,465 bytes) (rmv extra space) (undo)

* (cur) (prev) 19:01, May 11, 2009 QuackGuru (talk | contribs) (36,466 bytes) (No explanation given for edit. Please explain on talk page. See Talk:Chiropractic history#Mystical ideas sourced) (undo)

* (cur) (prev) 18:59, May 11, 2009 '''Levine2112''' (talk | contribs) (36,377 bytes) (I don't think anyone is arguing this wikilink) (undo)

'''Los Angeles'''

* (cur) () 18:54, May 11, 2009 (talk) (36,373 bytes) (Undid revision 289204178 by QuackGuru (talk) no consensus) (undo)

'''New Westminster, B.C.'''

* (cur) (prev) 06:21, May 11, 2009 QuackGuru (talk | contribs) (36,466 bytes) (rmv extra space) (undo)

* (cur) (prev) 06:20, May 11, 2009 QuackGuru (talk | contribs) (36,467 bytes) (Completely sourced. See Talk:Chiropractic history#Mystical ideas sourced) (undo)

* (cur) (prev) 06:18, May 11, 2009 '''Levine2112''' (talk | contribs) (36,374 bytes) (Reverted to revision 289201081 by Levine2112; no such consensus exists. read the full-text or at least the passage I quoted on the discussion and then let's talk.. using TW) (undo)

'''Los Angeles'''

* (cur) (prev) 06:13, May 11, 2009 QuackGuru (talk | contribs) (36,467 bytes) (rmv extra space) (undo)

* (cur) (prev) 06:13, May 11, 2009 QuackGuru (talk | contribs) (36,468 bytes) (Consensus is that text is fully sourced. See Talk:Chiropractic history#Mystical ideas sourced) (undo)

* (cur) (prev) 05:49, May 11, 2009 '''Levine2112''' (talk | contribs) (36,374 bytes) (Reverted to revision 285324251 by Levine2112; Text sourced to abstract, doesn't match up with full-text.. using TW) (undo)

'''Los Angeles'''

* (cur) (prev) 22:02, May 10, 2009 QuackGuru (talk | contribs) (36,468 bytes) (rmv extra space) (undo)

* (cur) (prev) 22:00, May 10, 2009 BullRangifer (talk | contribs) (36,469 bytes) (fix) (undo)

* (cur) (prev) 21:59, May 10, 2009 BullRangifer (talk | contribs) (36,469 bytes) (wikilink) (undo)

* (cur) (prev) 04:04, May 10, 2009 QuackGuru (talk | contribs) m (36,453 bytes) (→Straight versus mixer) (undo)

* (cur) (prev) 04:02, May 10, 2009 BullRangifer (talk | contribs) (36,454 bytes) (→Straight versus mixer: faithful to source, and which is an evident fact) (undo)

* (cur) (prev) 22:20, May 9, 2009 2over0 (talk | contribs) m (36,446 bytes) (Undid revision 288801803 by 32.133.106.62 (talk) Talk:Chiropractic history#Mystical ideas sourced) (undo)

* (cur) () 03:36, May 9, 2009 '''''' (talk) (36,374 bytes) (Undid revision 288786185 by QuackGuru (talk) concur w/ levine) (undo)

'''Los Angeles'''

* (cur) (prev) 01:39, May 9, 2009 QuackGuru (talk | contribs) (36,446 bytes) (The text is faithfully sourced. See Talk:Chiropractic history#Mystical ideas sourced.) (undo)

* (cur) (prev) 01:34, May 9, 2009 '''Levine2112''' (talk | contribs) (36,374 bytes) (Reverted to revision 288784842 by Levine2112; per WP:BRD please discuss.. using TW) (undo)

'''Los Angeles'''

* (cur) (prev) 01:30, May 9, 2009 QuackGuru (talk | contribs) (36,446 bytes) (text is referenced) (undo)

* (cur) (prev) 01:29, May 9, 2009 '''Levine2112''' (talk | contribs) (36,374 bytes) (Reverted to revision 288781918 by 166.191.166.100; actually I just read the source. It says nothing about Mysticism... see talk. using TW) (undo)

'''Los Angeles'''

* (cur) (prev) 01:27, May 9, 2009 QuackGuru (talk | contribs) (36,446 bytes) (documented claim) (undo)

* (cur) () 01:07, May 9, 2009 '''''' (talk) (36,374 bytes) (Undocumented claim) (undo)

'''Los Angeles'''

* (cur) (prev) 18:39, May 8, 2009 QuackGuru (talk | contribs) m (36,446 bytes) (→Straight versus mixer) (undo)

* (cur) (prev) 18:34, May 8, 2009 QuackGuru (talk | contribs) (36,446 bytes) (→Straight versus mixer: mystical ideas tidbit) (undo)
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Please perform CUs of Levine2112 and Stmrlbs. -- ] (]) 06:25, 5 August 2009 (UTC)




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Chiropractic

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For archived investigations, see Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Chiropractic/Archive.


Report date August 4 2009, 22:02 (UTC)
Suspected sockpuppets

Users active in current dispute:

Possibly involved accounts no longer active under these names:


Variety of IPs in range(166.128.0.0 - 166.255.255.255) for wireless cellphones were used to avoid violating 3RR; often perform exactly the same edits/reverts as Levine2112; example IPS:

AT&T Mobile; unfortunately a large block (32.0.0.0 - 32.255.255.255 ) may not be useful; example IPs:

Evidence submitted by User:Shell Kinney

There are ongoing battles in Chiropractic and related articles which fall under the arbitration remedies given at Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Pseudoscience#Remedies. Some of the above mentioned editors have been previously warned or sanctioned under these remedies (see Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Pseudoscience#Log_of_blocks_and_bans and Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Martinphi-ScienceApologist#Log_of_notifications) and there has been a history of using meatpuppets, sockpuppets or logging out to continue revert wars or influence consensus building discussions in this topic area. Several of the accounts listed as inactive stopped editing immediately or shortly after being warned of the Arbcom sanctions which brings up concerns that they are now avoiding scrutiny.

This area had calmed down for a while, but now that there are content disagreements again, IPs are resurfacing with the same patterns: blind reverts, obvious understanding of Misplaced Pages terms and processes, chiming in to support one side or the other in consensus discussions - its disruptive and makes enforcing the arb sanctions very complicated and resolving the constant disputes nearly impossible. If any of the involved users are logging out to give the appearance of extra support or avoid scrutiny, it would likely mean sanctions which hopefully will allow editors who are handling these situations in good faith to resolve disputes more productively. Shell 01:30, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

I believe there is strong evidence that Levine2112 is either logging out to avoid scrutiny/continue edit wars or is, at best, enlisting meat puppets to revert during edit wars. Consider the following exchange from May on Chiropractic history:

  • May 8, QuackGuru adds a claim about mysticism being part of Chiro's history
  • Over the next 4 days, Levine2112 and many different IP addresses revert this same edit. They mention the same claims, never participate in the discussion and some IPs even mention agreeing with Levine. The IPs strangely understand terminology such as consensus, BRD, sourcing and bad faith. , , , , , , , , ,
  • User:BullRangifer and User:2over0 both revert the IPs and were active in the discussion on talk where Levine2112 was the sole objector. Shell 00:42, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
Comments by accused parties    See Defending yourself against claims.

I have no sockpuppets. I have not asked any editor (anonymous or not) to come edit along side me. Of links 2-11 provided just above, the only ones which use any advanced Misplaced Pages lingo in the edit summaries are myself ("BRD") and editor 70.71.22.45 ("consensus"). 70.71.22.45 is an editor whom I and others have asked many times to join Misplaced Pages by setting up a proper account, but he/she has opted not to do so (much to my chagrin especially now). Regardless this editor is not me. The rest of the edits are made by what I am assuming is one anonymous user in the 166.xx.xx.xx IP block and one editor with the 32.133.106.62 IP, neither of whom seem to know Misplaced Pages terminology very well ("reedit"). The IPs resolve to Canada, Texas, and Alabama respectively, which are three places I do not live and have not visited in at least the past five years. QuackGuru's edits tend to be particularly egregious in terms of POV pushing and flagrant in terms of pushing the boundaries of 3RR. So if a couple of other people saw this one particularly blatant attempt to skew this article with his week-long onslaught of edit-warring then I am not particularly surprised that they too reverted QuackGuru. This is business as usual with QuackGuru. It seems wherever he edits, QuackGuru finds himself butting heads with all kinds of editors. He has made all kinds of "enemies" with his general incivility and childish debate tactics over the few years he's been here. So it wouldn't be to surprising or outrageous to think that there is an anonymous editor out there who follows and reverts him. If I could contact this editor directly, I would tell them that this is not the proper way to do things, and to sign up or edit with a proper account. In fact, I have done so using Friendly with many of these anonymous IPs. Anyhow, if the investigating admin (Nathan or even Shell) would like any information about my actual location or permanent IP address, please feel free to contact me via email. Hopefully that will clear up any possibility that these anonymous IPs are me. They are not. I am more than happy to supply you with any information that could help put an end to QuackGuru's ridiculousness. Thanks! -- ǝʌlǝʍʇ ǝuo-ʎʇuǝʍʇ 01:59, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Comments by other users

The above, especially the part about May 8 (and onwards) is VERY interesting to me, because at the time the air literally reeked of Levine2112. Everything about the encounter gave me the same feelings now expressed by Shell Kinney above.
To understand this particular edit war, one must realize that it was a very convoluted discussion at several levels, and any participants must have understood the intricacies of what was going on. There was obvious socking and/or meatpuppetry going on.
A CU is absolutely necessary in this case. I strongly suspect that one or more of these IPs will appear hidden behind Levine2112's username during his editing history since he started (and before) using this username. IPs behind User:Stmrlbs could also have been involved and should be checked.
Here is the page's edit history from that time. It's quite a striking edit war. Notice the tag teaming between Levine2112 and the IPs. He is from Los Angeles and so are they (except for one SPI from B.C. who always supports Levine2112, and especially functions as User:Stmrlbs's shadow/alter ego), so I have added their locations. I have also bolded the probably related participants:

  • (cur) (prev) 20:48, May 17, 2009 QuackGuru (talk | contribs) (36,482 bytes) (rmv extra spaces) (undo)
  • (cur) (prev) 05:32, May 15, 2009 Citation bot (talk | contribs) m (36,494 bytes) (Citation maintenance. Formatted: doi. You can use this bot yourself! Please report any bugs.) (undo)
  • (cur) (prev) 05:47, May 14, 2009 BullRangifer (talk | contribs) (36,464 bytes) (Too many edits are being reverted at one time. The other matter should be proposed and it can be worked in. This one is properly sourced and it's vandalism to remove it.) (undo)
  • (cur) (prev) 02:46, May 14, 2009 76.222.232.146 (talk) (36,377 bytes) (Undid revision 289799721 by BullRangifer (talk) other matter should be addressed before reedit is made) (undo)

Los Angeles

  • (cur) (prev) 02:17, May 14, 2009 BullRangifer (talk | contribs) (36,464 bytes) (Undid revision 289690250 by 166.135.62.157 (talk) It is very faithful to the source. The other part is another matter.) (undo)
  • (cur) (prev) 16:13, May 13, 2009 166.135.62.157 (talk) (36,377 bytes) (Levine is right. This is not what the fulltext says at all. Y'all should read it sometime.) (undo)

Los Angeles

  • (cur) (prev) 15:41, May 13, 2009 QuackGuru (talk | contribs) (36,464 bytes) (faithfully sourced) (undo)
  • (cur) (prev) 15:38, May 13, 2009 Levine2112 (talk | contribs) (36,377 bytes) (I agree it has been discussed, but there is no consensus to include yet. The source has conflicting statements and we are leaving one of those statements out for some reason.) (undo)

Los Angeles

  • (cur) (prev) 15:33, May 13, 2009 QuackGuru (talk | contribs) (36,464 bytes) (Per WP:BRD. This has been discussed on talk page. Talk:Chiropractic history#Mystical ideas sourced.) (undo)
  • (cur) (prev) 02:35, May 13, 2009 166.134.18.118 (talk) (36,377 bytes) (Bad faith edit) (undo)

Los Angeles

  • (cur) (prev) 07:04, May 12, 2009 QuackGuru (talk | contribs) (36,464 bytes) (rmv extra space) (undo)
  • (cur) (prev) 03:11, May 12, 2009 2over0 (talk | contribs) (36,465 bytes) (Undid revision 289311442 by 166.191.225.235 please also note that the Manual of style stipulates that refs be unspaced) (undo)
  • (cur) (prev) 19:38, May 11, 2009 166.191.225.235 (talk) (36,377 bytes) (Cease this fighting & talk it out Quackguru) (undo)

Los Angeles

  • (cur) (prev) 19:09, May 11, 2009 QuackGuru (talk | contribs) (36,465 bytes) (rmv extra space) (undo)
  • (cur) (prev) 19:01, May 11, 2009 QuackGuru (talk | contribs) (36,466 bytes) (No explanation given for edit. Please explain on talk page. See Talk:Chiropractic history#Mystical ideas sourced) (undo)
  • (cur) (prev) 18:59, May 11, 2009 Levine2112 (talk | contribs) (36,377 bytes) (I don't think anyone is arguing this wikilink) (undo)

Los Angeles

  • (cur) (prev) 18:54, May 11, 2009 70.71.22.45 (talk) (36,373 bytes) (Undid revision 289204178 by QuackGuru (talk) no consensus) (undo)

New Westminster, B.C.

  • (cur) (prev) 06:21, May 11, 2009 QuackGuru (talk | contribs) (36,466 bytes) (rmv extra space) (undo)
  • (cur) (prev) 06:20, May 11, 2009 QuackGuru (talk | contribs) (36,467 bytes) (Completely sourced. See Talk:Chiropractic history#Mystical ideas sourced) (undo)
  • (cur) (prev) 06:18, May 11, 2009 Levine2112 (talk | contribs) (36,374 bytes) (Reverted to revision 289201081 by Levine2112; no such consensus exists. read the full-text or at least the passage I quoted on the discussion and then let's talk.. using TW) (undo)

Los Angeles

  • (cur) (prev) 06:13, May 11, 2009 QuackGuru (talk | contribs) (36,467 bytes) (rmv extra space) (undo)
  • (cur) (prev) 06:13, May 11, 2009 QuackGuru (talk | contribs) (36,468 bytes) (Consensus is that text is fully sourced. See Talk:Chiropractic history#Mystical ideas sourced) (undo)
  • (cur) (prev) 05:49, May 11, 2009 Levine2112 (talk | contribs) (36,374 bytes) (Reverted to revision 285324251 by Levine2112; Text sourced to abstract, doesn't match up with full-text.. using TW) (undo)

Los Angeles

  • (cur) (prev) 22:02, May 10, 2009 QuackGuru (talk | contribs) (36,468 bytes) (rmv extra space) (undo)
  • (cur) (prev) 22:00, May 10, 2009 BullRangifer (talk | contribs) (36,469 bytes) (fix) (undo)
  • (cur) (prev) 21:59, May 10, 2009 BullRangifer (talk | contribs) (36,469 bytes) (wikilink) (undo)
  • (cur) (prev) 04:04, May 10, 2009 QuackGuru (talk | contribs) m (36,453 bytes) (→Straight versus mixer) (undo)
  • (cur) (prev) 04:02, May 10, 2009 BullRangifer (talk | contribs) (36,454 bytes) (→Straight versus mixer: faithful to source, and which is an evident fact) (undo)
  • (cur) (prev) 22:20, May 9, 2009 2over0 (talk | contribs) m (36,446 bytes) (Undid revision 288801803 by 32.133.106.62 (talk) Talk:Chiropractic history#Mystical ideas sourced) (undo)
  • (cur) (prev) 03:36, May 9, 2009 32.133.106.62 (talk) (36,374 bytes) (Undid revision 288786185 by QuackGuru (talk) concur w/ levine) (undo)

Los Angeles

  • (cur) (prev) 01:39, May 9, 2009 QuackGuru (talk | contribs) (36,446 bytes) (The text is faithfully sourced. See Talk:Chiropractic history#Mystical ideas sourced.) (undo)
  • (cur) (prev) 01:34, May 9, 2009 Levine2112 (talk | contribs) (36,374 bytes) (Reverted to revision 288784842 by Levine2112; per WP:BRD please discuss.. using TW) (undo)

Los Angeles

  • (cur) (prev) 01:30, May 9, 2009 QuackGuru (talk | contribs) (36,446 bytes) (text is referenced) (undo)
  • (cur) (prev) 01:29, May 9, 2009 Levine2112 (talk | contribs) (36,374 bytes) (Reverted to revision 288781918 by 166.191.166.100; actually I just read the source. It says nothing about Mysticism... see talk. using TW) (undo)

Los Angeles

  • (cur) (prev) 01:27, May 9, 2009 QuackGuru (talk | contribs) (36,446 bytes) (documented claim) (undo)
  • (cur) (prev) 01:07, May 9, 2009 166.191.166.100 (talk) (36,374 bytes) (Undocumented claim) (undo)

Los Angeles

  • (cur) (prev) 18:39, May 8, 2009 QuackGuru (talk | contribs) m (36,446 bytes) (→Straight versus mixer) (undo)
  • (cur) (prev) 18:34, May 8, 2009 QuackGuru (talk | contribs) (36,446 bytes) (→Straight versus mixer: mystical ideas tidbit) (undo)


Please perform CUs of Levine2112 and Stmrlbs. -- Brangifer (talk) 06:25, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

CheckUser requests

{{RFCU}} is deprecated. Please change the case status parameter in {{SPI case status}} to "CURequest" instead.

Checkuser request – code letter: A (Arbcom ban/sanction evasion )
Current status – Awaiting initial clerk review.    Requested by Shell 22:02, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
Clerk, patrolling admin and checkuser comments

* It doesn't seem likely that QuackGuru and Levine112 are linked, at least; of the other accounts, can you state who you believe related to who and which IPs? More concrete connections to verify might help limit the number of checks involved in a request like this. Will note that CU action to clean up an area of ArbCom enforcement is something that ArbCom has recently endorsed, if I remember correctly. Nathan 22:13, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

I apologize for the convoluted mess :) Essentially we have two "factions" here with bad habits that are making it hard to guess what's what. My main concerns for checkuser are:
  • QuackGuru against 86.134.240.225 and 86.146.119.24 which are in the same block and have been used to edit war.
  • Levine2112 against the 166.128.0.0 - 166.255.255.255 range (specific IP examples above).
  • 70.71.22.45 admits a prior account and could be checked against the "inactive" list. Best guess would be Hughgr followed by Surturz.
As for the rest, they are all "pro" Chiropractic which would essentially leave open anyone but QuackGuru, however, I strongly believe that Levine2112 is involved in them. I think they can be handled without checkuser since stepping through their behavior shows pretty clearly that they are, at the very least, meatpuppets brought in solely to edit war. (see further detail added to evidence above) Shell 00:42, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
Conclusions
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