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RfAr for Gabriel

Sannse, I have been trying to reason with GabrielSimon now for quite a while (as early as 6 Jul) and he appears to be stuck in his ways. I suggested that he live by a 1RR rule for a while to let things die down, he agreed on 23 July, and yesterday was subsquently blocked for 3RR. I asked him about it, and his answer is "pehaps i am too stubborn". A lot has happened since you voted on the RfAr, including a doubling of the number of editor endorsements and a doubling of the evidence for the RfC. I would like you to revisit the issue, as I don't know that Gabriel is voluntarily going to work with us. - grubber 18:02, 2005 August 2 (UTC)

The case has the needed four votes to open - it looks as though no one has had a chance to do so - I'll open it today -- sannse (talk) 09:46, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

What is sbst

What is sbst? ¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸ 23:42, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

Using {{subst:User:Sam Spade/Welcome}}, rather than {{User:Sam Spade/Welcome}} will paste the contents of your template rather than embedding them. This would mean that the last edit link on the talk page will no longer lead to your template page, and you won't have people editing your template by mistake any more. Like many people, I use the last edit link to add a section to a talk page, finding it taking me to a template page is annoying - especially when I don't notice until I've saved!

Using subst also means that changes you make to the template, will no longer change all previous uses of the text - something that saves on server resources and allows you to update the template without changing old talk page messages. -- sannse (talk) 09:46, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. ¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸ 19:08, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

deletion of rfc re: deletion of vfd

I explained a bit at RFA about my premature deletion of the RFC. It was a time-zone miscalculation. And I don't think Kim was justified in blocking me. Uncle Ed 02:14, August 5, 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for your response -- sannse (talk) 20:47, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

Jämthund, or Jamthund Spelling.

I don't object, and I don't think that the Swedish object either... Michael 13:58, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

User:J. Jones

Hi Sannse! I see you removed that spurious RFAr, and I think rightly so. I was quite tempted to remove it myself, but I thought it best to report it to WP:AN/I, and wait for someone who is more involved in arbitration than I am. Do you think I would be justified in removing that request as an obvious vandalism/disruption and then blocking User:J. Jones for being a probable MARMOT sock? Sjakkalle (Check!) 13:02, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

It's best to leave the decision to arbitrators. We'll remove them if necessary - although it's more likely that we will leave them and vote, even if they appear to be disruption -- sannse (talk)

Thanks for your response, what about blocking/not blocking J. Jones? Sjakkalle (Check!) 13:09, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

As an arbitrator, I have no opinion on that. I'd see what other admins think on AN/I (but with only one edit, and that an offensive one, I doubt you would get much argument if you blocked) -- sannse (talk) 13:16, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

Developing conflict with Mel Etitis

Heya, sorry to bother you. I hope you're feeling ok. :-/

I've asked Mel Etitis to come talk with you, basically about my past um non-conflicts with FeloniousMonk. He's picked up some very strange ideas and I'd like him to understand what's really up. I don't mind if you tell him about my side of the situation. I don't know if feloniousmonk will let you tell Mel about his side of the conflict. Thanks if you do have time. :-/

Failing that, I'll ask the medcom for help. They're overworked as it is though, so I hope one of them has time ^^;;

Kim Bruning 15:25, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

KB has somewhat misrepresented the issue, perhaps because he hasn't understood my position. He has presented himself as a neutral mediator between SS and FeloniousMonk, as engaging in good-faith attempts to settle their conflict. His actions and comments, however, have indicated very strongly that he is no such thing, and that he favours SS (to put it mildly). Now, from what he says to you above, it looks as though he wants you to explain to me the reasons for his hostility to FM, or something of the sort — but as you'll realise, that's not the issue. It's not why he favours SS over FM, but that he does so — or, rather, that he does so while claiming to be neutral. If in fact there's something relevant to that issue which you can tell me, then fine; I'm certainly ready to listen. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 15:49, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

Yes, well, right. Like I said, could you maybe fill Mel Etitis in? (And I never claimed to be neutral in this, Mel: you only assumed I'd done so.) Kim Bruning 16:13, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

I'm not really sure what you want me to say here Kim. And I am very reluctant to talk about the details of mediation anyway - confidentiality is key to the process. I certainly will not discuss it in public, and don't think that there is anything relevant I can say in private. -- sannse (talk) 16:34, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

Good point. Sorry to bother. Let me think of something else then :-/ Kim Bruning 17:42, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

Admin overriding Arb-com

Under exactly what authority does UninvitedCompany think he can unilaterally permanently ban users, and destroy their user pages, and protect their talk pages so that they can't respond? -

It should be noted that the alleged images were listed at User:Evil Monkey/Nudity as well as being considered entirely appropriate for articles, having, as far as I can tell, already survived IFD, and have been on Misplaced Pages for over a month.

Note that an arbcom case has only just opened and has by no means come down with even remotely any penalty such as a ban. UninvitedCompany seems to think he has greater authority than ArbCom, and can completely act outside it.

Does UninvitedCompany has infinite power and permission to unilaterally with impunity?

Particularly when the user/victim in question has challanged a prior abuse of adminship by UninvitedCompany in an RfC, and has diametrically opposed political opinions?

This seems to be a case of right wing evangelical Christian admins thinking they have the right to dictate to everyone else.

It also seems in contempt of the arbitration committee's right to make the decision.

SomeAccountThatIWillListOn-Ril-'sUserPageWhenOrIfIEverGetItBack (-Ril-) 12:15, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

Hi Sannse

Just dropping you a little note to ask if its alright if I request arbitration. As you well know, my account was blocked by Linux last month, indefinitely, and I don't think it's very fair! Anyway, please allow me to present my case before arbcom to stop the bloodshed. Thanks. Marmot

Jimmy Boyd Picture

Sannse, please see Talk:Jimmy Boyd for my response to your removal of Jimmy Boyd's picture from his article.

Hello, I'm seeking guidance / support in re Fac for Terri Schiavo

Hello, Sannse,

I remember you briefly relaying some information regarding Dr. Hammesfahr's concern over some role he played (or didn't), and a recent post.

Now-days, the Schiavo article's nominated for a Fac. I'm trying to drum up support, and here's a reprint of my post to the big-guy --in that box below: -and, since you are familiar with Terri Schiavo, I seek your feedback (and support, if it is appropriate).

Thank you for your time.--GordonWattsDotCom 10:47, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

This template must be substituted. Replace {{Template for discussion ...}} with {{subst:Template for discussion ...}}.

Image:Nat-gall-lond-tr-sq dist1.jpg has been listed for deletion

Bull! (dogs)

Once upon a time, I'm thinking May of '04, there was a dog-project discussion on Bulldog vs Olde English Bulldogge naming, and I have spent half an hour searching and looking and can't find it. Do you have any idea where it might be/have a clever way of searching that discovers the text? It's come up again-- see Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Dog_breeds#Bulldog_vs_English_Bulldog. Thanks. Elf | Talk 23:05, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

List of dog topics

FYI, you have a link to this article on your user page, but it's now becoming a redir to category:dogs. Elf | Talk 05:24, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

Your dog-breed excel table

... has now been put online in Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Dog breeds/Breed source list. Elf | Talk 22:00, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

Replies at User talk:Elf

Image:WikiMeet_London_2004-12-03_sann3_Angela.jpg

Do you want to add a license to the image, or a source, or do you wish for the image to be deleted? Zach (Sound Off) 02:13, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

Fixed -- sannse (talk) 09:56, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

I am the author of a new Misplaced Pages addition called "TDWG" that was 'held' due to possible copyright infringement.

The situation was this-

I am an Executive member of TDWG. I was using Misplaced Pages to search for some definition of terms that we use in our work on in TDWG on the Misplaced Pages site. I though that I would see if TDWG was listed and a group that TDWG relates "IETF". IETF was listd but not TDWG. I decided that I would use the basic defintion of the group on the www.tdwg.org site to ensure that it was listed on Misplaced Pages.

Lee

lee@netspace.net.au

Walton

Hope you are happy with my amendments to Walton-on-the-Naze. I know the area well, since my brother lived in Thorpe-le-Soken and then Walton. Nice images, how did you get the aerial shot?

(please note - not one Essex girl joke!)

jimfbleak 10:06, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

Hi Jim, the changes look good, nice work. The aerial photo comes from a gift of a flight over the area (there is another photo on Clacton-on-sea). The trip was in a tiny plane flying from Clacton's small airfield. The visibility wasn't perfect, but the photos didn't come out too bad.

Essex girl jokes don't work for me anyway - I was born in Kent ;P

Sorry for the slow reply - I've been away

-- sannse (talk) 10:17, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

ArbCom elections

Hello, Sannse. In case you haven't noticed, I'm writing a special series on the upcoming 2005 ArbCom elections for The Misplaced Pages Signpost. In the October 17 issue, we will be profiling the current ArbCom members. Note that this should not be a platform for re-election; rather, it should serve as an insight into what you feel about the ArbCom, and your opinions of it are. Thus, I hope you don't mind answering a few questions. Many thanks!

1. Are up for re-election this year?
2. If so, do you plan to run for re-election?
3. How do you feel about serving on the ArbCom?
4. What do you think are the strengths of the ArbCom?
5. Weaknesses?
6. If you could change anything, what would you change? Why?
7. Do you regret accepting your position? Why or why not?
8. If you could say one thing to the current ArbCom candidates, what would you say, and why?
9. Do you think your job is easy? Hard? Explain.
10. Looking in retrospective, is there anything you would have done differently?
11. Do you feel that the ArbCom is appreciated by the community? If not, how do you think that could be changed?
12. What is the most frustrating thing about being on the ArbCom? Enjoyable?

I hope you didn't mind me bombarding with you with questions; by no means feel obligated to answer all (or any) of them. Thanks for serving Misplaced Pages, and for taking your time to help a Signpost reporter! Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk | W_S 14:11, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Wikimedia chapter meeting

Hi Sannse, there will probably be a meeting for the specific purpose of discussing Wikimedia UK this sunday, which I was wondering if you'd be interested in attending. I'm also wondering myself... Cormaggio 23:18, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Missed it. Maybe I will make the next -- sannse (talk) 10:25, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

I created Thai Ridgeback Dog (stub) to replace deleted Thai Ridgeback article

Hi Sannse,
I hope I haven't overstepped my bounds by editing a subpage of your User area, but I made a new page (just a stub) for the Thai Ridgeback Dog to replace a page that was deleted due to copyright violation, it would seem. Then, for completeness, I researched all the pages linking to the page that had been deleted, and I am systematically updating them. I hope that's OK.
--GraemeMcRae 19:36, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

That's just fine - it's a wiki after all :) -- sannse (talk) 10:27, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

WP:RFAR/SV

Re: Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_arbitration/Stevertigo/Proposed_decision#Ommision_of_fact

I understand that some are quite busy and may have missed recent discussion and questions regarding my Arbcom matter. Ive taken the liberty of posting here to remedy any inadvertent oversight regarding my case. Sinreg, St|eve 22:24, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

Help! I am being hassled by what appears to be a sockpuppet vandal

Please take a look at the edit history for Accountable 1135. Please help if you can. Rex071404 01:47, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

• Go away--anon editor 01:56, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

Pic of the day

Hi Sannse,

Just to let you know that your photo Image:Large White caterpillar 800.jpg is due to make a reappearance as Pic of the Day next Monday. I've reused the same caption as last time, but you can review and improve it at Misplaced Pages:Picture of the day/October 31, 2005. -- Solipsist 21:03, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

Hi, ...

... I just came across one of your older contributions in a page history and realize that you haven't contributed a word for more than two months. Are you okay? All the best, <KF> 00:34, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

I've been rather unwell and not logging on at all, but hopefully I'm back now - thanks for asking after me :) Best -- sannse (talk) 10:31, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Coventry Cathedral

I just converted a list of Coventry Cathedral photos (mostly yours from two years ago) into a gallery. 66.167.138.133 01:32, 31 October 2005 (UTC).

Looks fine -- sannse (talk) 10:32, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

General reply

I've been away for long enough that a lot of messages here are out of date. I've not replied to some that seem to be time-specific or are related to arbitration issues that I'm not currently involved in. I am working on catching up now, and hope to be back to arbitration shortly. If I've missed anything that I should have replied to, please leave me antoher note. I hope to be around a lot more again now. Thanks -- sannse (talk) 10:37, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

No problem, thanks for getting back to me, jimfbleak 13:56, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Your dog photographs at Misplaced Pages

Dear Sannse

I am currently writing an ebook about dogs and I have been viewing your beautiful photographs at Misplaced Pages. I was wondering if you would allow me to use some of them in my ebook. I would of course attribute them to you.

Kindest regards,

Alfie Harris

alfie.harris@web-malls.net

Reply sent via email (summary - help yourself, they are GFDL!) -- sannse (talk) 19:41, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

ArbCom Resignation

Hello, Sannse. I heard that you had resigned from the ArbCom, and as a reporter for the Misplaced Pages Signpost, could I ask you why you decided to resign when you indicated last week that you hoped to participate more in the Arbitration process? In addition, if you don't mind me asked, did you announce your resignation on the ArbCom mailing list? If you you made a statement, would you be willing to announce some of it to the public? Thanks a lot. Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk | W_S 22:53, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Yes, I told the other arbitrators via the arbitration mailing list. On the reason for the contradictory messages: I came back from an extended wikibreak last week, and hoped to get back to arbitration work as soon possible. Unfortunately, it became clear as I tried to catch up that I am just not well enough at the moment to put in the time and commitment that the job needs. I didn't feel it fair to my colleagues on the committee to continue with that being the case. I still fully support the arbitration committee and believe strongly in the job the committee does. In fact, I would very much like to rejoin the committee one day - if the opportunity arises and if my health improves. Sorry for the slow reply, I hope it's in time to be of use to you. sannse (talk) 19:41, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the response! Hope you get well soon. Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk | W_S 00:36, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

You are sick?

I'm very sorry to hear about it! :-( Sounds serious... hope that you get better soon. - Ta bu shi da yu 08:56, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

It's just the usual illness I've had for years, just a bad patch again. Thanks for the concern though :) -- sannse (talk) 12:30, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Bummer Sannse, I had no idea :( Hope you feel better! - Ta bu shi da yu 12:31, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Howard Smith's article

Cheers. You disambiguated "depression" into "clinical depression" in the Howard Smith (director) article (since he is a past board member and director of MDSG ), regarding the function of the Mood Disorders Support Group in New York City. MDSG not only helps people with clinical depression, but also people who are before that phase, perhaps just blue, light Seasonal Affective Disorder, reactional and situational depression, etc. I think I would like to broaden the category and change it back to something like depression (mood). MDSG is not a treatment center, so the panorama is larger. Unipolar, bipolar, and the mood disorders. Many people have a diagnosable disorder, so, I'm actually okay with having to word it as clinical depression but, again, I think might be too narrowing. Your thoughts ? Thanks ! -- (Bob) Wikiklrsc 17:56, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

Yep, I'm happy with using depression (mood). It's often a bit tricky to know which of those two to use, corrections are always welcome :) I've made the change -- sannse (talk) 13:29, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Hi sannse ! Thanks so very much for the clarification and making the change ! It's sometimes very hard to define a line. One trusts you're doing well. Cheers ! -- (Bob) Wikiklrsc 16:34, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

BBC articles internal links to non-existent articles

Hi sannse. An anonymous contributor made changes to many of the BBC sites but also just made internal article links where there were no supporting articles. He internally linked all names in the BBC 6 Music Past Presenter list. And other BBC radio articles where there are more names.

This is very hard, if there is a list of, say, ten or even thirty items, which ones are articles and which internal links are dead-ends. I had left them as plain text until I or someone had written a supporting article, then would change the plaintext name into an internal link to the new article. The anonymous contributor has done it to all names in all BBC radio articles. Lots of dead article links.

One can't distinguish which of a list of thirty presenters, have an article. One now has to try all thirty.

Is there some policy, or so you have a take on it ? Should internal pointers to non-existant articles be made when there's no obvious intention of the contributor's writing the supporting article ?

I think it disturbs the reader's flow to point to a number of contiguous dead articles.

Many thanks in advance. -- (Bob) Wikiklrsc 18:09, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

The usual policy is to link to any article that is likely to be written. The idea is that this encourages readers who come across a blank link to start the missing article. The different colours of the links should be enough to show whether the link leads to an active article or not. Of course, if no one is ever likely to write the article, there is no point in having a link - it's all a matter of judgement and, to some extent, of style. Hope this helps -- sannse (talk) 11:39, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks, sannse. I would agree in general, although my browser doesn't show different colours for a non-existent article v. a live one ! I still have a lingering question in my mind that when someone takes a list of names, such as BBC radio presenters in a BBC radio article, and makes them all links to non-existent articles, it makes the intention a little unclear. Especially when none are written subsequently ! And the ip address anonymous user had some warnings posted on his discussion page: User_talk:217.33.74.20. I mean it winds up being more work for me, to remove the article links, or more likely to research and write a dozen articles which I hadn't quite presently intended to write ! Many thanks for your kind thoughts and response. -- (Bob) Wikiklrsc 19:59, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Wikimedia UK

You have expressed an interest in Wikimedia UK. Just to let you know I've posted a draft Memorandum of Association and Articles of Association of the proposed "Wikimedia UK" charitable company on Wikimedia UK/Memorandum of Association and Wikimedia UK/Articles of Association. It is proposed that these will receive initial approval by interested parties at a meeting on 27 November. I will put together a brief agenda for the more formal aspects of that meeting soon. Memo and Arts of Association are a company's constitution, and need to be agreed before the company is formed (though they can be changed at a later date). Please feel free to comment on the relevant talk pages (I'd rather the proposed drafts are left unedited so that it is easy to see what is going on) - particularly if there is something there that you would disagree with at the meeting, details of which can be found on the Wikimedia UK page on Wikimedia Meta-Wiki. Kind regards, jguk 19:04, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. I won't make the meeting, but will try to have a good read of the relevant pages. -- sannse (talk) 11:42, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

hi

Wanted to say hi :) How are you doing? Dysprosia 21:57, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

Hi Dysprosia, good to see you! Have you got your home connection on yet? I'm looking forward to catching up with you on IRC as soon as you are back :) Thinking of you -- sannse (talk) 15:00, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

No :( I'm thinking of getting wireless internet, but the modem is a bit pricey, so I'm not so sure... But I'm looking forward to seeing you on IRC again too :) Dysprosia 00:29, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Mach kernel

Looks like you had a "fun" time chasing down that vandalism in the Mach kernel article today! – Mipadi 16:34, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Ah, such obvious stuff is no trouble - easy to spot, easy to revert ;) -- sannse (talk) 16:37, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Arbitration re-opened

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Climate change dispute 2 has been re-opened. Please place evidence at Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Climate change dispute 2/Evidence. Proposals and comments may be placed on Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Climate change dispute 2/Workshop. (SEWilco 03:42, 29 November 2005 (UTC))

French Directory

Could I ask you to weigh in at Talk:Directory (political) about the recent move of French Directory to Directory (political)? Thanks. Jmabel | Talk 03:09, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Sorry Jmabel, not really my area -- sannse (talk) 11:53, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Britney Spears article

The vandal who inserted those images is someone with access to a zillion IPs it seems, that one is blocked as well. I need to log out now I'm afraid. Is there something we can do with such people who enjoy playing the mole in whack-a-mole. Frankly, I have many other things I would rather be spending my time on. Sjakkalle (Check!) 16:09, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

There is not a lot we can do I'm afraid, just keep an eye out and revert as needed. The good thing is that there are more of us than there is of him, and he will get bored and go away eventually. Just take time away from the wack-a-mole game any time you get tired, and don't let it burn you out. Otherwise, it's just keep up the good work :) -- sannse (talk) 16:13, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Wolf Blitzer

Sannse, I'm not sure about the protection. It will just show that, when we're worried about vandalism, we protect in advance so that noone can edit, which is a long way from anyone. That won't look good broadcast live on CNN. -Splash 23:13, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Oh, no, it wasn't you. You just added the tag. -Splash 23:17, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Yep, it was Danny that protected - but I can see his point, we really don't want an article that is getting this much attention to be vandalised. And it will be vandalised -- sannse (talk) 23:26, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

CVU talk page template

The thing is this is in the talk page on articles that are already hammered by vandalism. The problem of being quiet is CNN reporters being unaware of our existance. Being brodcasted on national TV as an "uncredible source" and that "we aren't making an effort to prevent such incidents" is very very bad publicity for wikipedia. There is no reason to hide the fact that George W. Bush is getting hammered on a hourly (or much less) basis and that RC patrolers are watching, reviewing, reverting.

When someone is repetively accused/declared of assasinating JFK and are unaware of our existance they rightfully think we tollerate such nonsense on[REDACTED] as they are unaware of RC patrolers. Of course the template wont scare away the vandals but it will definately contain the apathy of CNN reporters whom (from what I understand from the CNN transcript) are also subject to random accusations. --Cool Cat 14:49, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Reply at Misplaced Pages talk:Counter Vandalism Unit -- sannse (talk) 19:30, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

A Rare RFA Thank You Note to clutter up your talk page...

Sannse:

Just wanted to drop you a note to say thanks for supporting me in my recent RFA. I know you don't vote in RFAs often, so I'm doubly flattered that you chose to support me in mine. I will hopefully continue to maintain the style and flair you commented on.

All the best.
→ Ξxtreme Unction {ł_blah} 23:30, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

You are most welcome, and congratuations! -- sannse (talk) 18:59, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Help from an admin requested

Hi Sannse

May I ask you to have an eye on what's going on below. My knowledge is fairly limited about what to do in stressful situations on[REDACTED] as I'm relatively new to wikipedia. Maybe you could help a little.

• It started at User talk:AzaToth#Misplaced Pages:Avoid using meta-templates.
• Moved on to Wikipedia_talk:Avoid_using_meta-templates#Logic_templates.
• Then I was blamed to be a spammer at User_talk:Adrian_Buehlmann#Spamming by Netoholic.
• On User_talk:David_Gerard#More_bad_templates I feel the folks interested in {{book reference}} were titled a "mob".

See also Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Netoholic 2

Thanks for your help! In good faith, – Adrian | Talk 01:07, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Hi Adrian. I would recommend listening to David Gerard on this. There are good reasons to avoid meta templates, they really do affect the performance of the wiki. However many people like using them, and I understand that they can be very useful in some ways, it doesn't change the underlying problem of server strain that they cause. Until that is fixed, then the advice is to avoid them. It doesn't matter that this has never been made an explicit policy - the guideline remains valid. I'm sorry if this is not the reply you hoped for, but I was an arbitrator for "Netoholic2", and so had to look into issues around meta templates. Other than that advice, I would just say to keep things calm and friendly and it is likely to all work out in the end. It is possible to come to an understanding in these disputes. Best -- sannse (talk) 18:59, 10 December 2005 (UTC)