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translation request

Hi Ynhockey, was wondering if I could impose on you and and request a translation of this source. Google translate goes up to #69 before it craps out and leaves the rest in Hebrew. If you dont have time or know of somebody else who can help please let me know. Thanks, nableezy - 22:13, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

whatever relates to Land Day. But it is long, so again if you dont have time or just dont like reading through mind-numbingly boring court briefs dont worry about it. Thanks though, nableezy - 23:31, 28 July 2009 (UTC) 23:31, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

never mind, I think I got it, thanks anyway nableezy - 03:56, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Since Nableezy asked me too, and I value good relations with him, I tried my best in my bad english to translate abstracts from there. See it on my talk page. Not familiar with the article and with all the warrings there, but as long as I know that Jaakoboy and you are somewhere around, I can be calm. Regards. --Sceptic from Ashdod 12:37, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

responded on my talk, and I would very much appreciate a response from you. nableezy - 13:02, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

humbly request another response. particularly to the last question. nableezy - 00:04, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

1 more time, but if you are not going to answer my question there is not much of a point continuing. Which would be kind of sad, because, like I said earlier, I do have a healthy amount of respect for you. nableezy - 02:12, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Regarding an image on the Hebrew Misplaced Pages.

Hi, found you browsing though the Hebrew babel category.

Was wondering if you could help get the image he:קובץ:Israel-peleg.jpg listed for deletion over at the Hebrew Misplaced Pages. I was eable to find some generic speedy deletion templates, but not knowing the language makes it rater hard for me to explain the issue clearly there. The image is listed as Creative Commons 2.5 there, but the same image was uploaded here (File:ישראל פלג.jpg) referencing OTRS:2009071610018913, wich according to User:Stifle is just a permission for use on Misplaced Pages itself, so the license tag on the Hebew Misplaced Pages is incorrect per the OTRS ticket submied by the uloader, so it shuld be deleted there as well. A third, lower resolution copy of the image is on Commons as File:Israel-Peleg.jpg, but that one is already flagged for deletion. --Sherool (talk) 21:44, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

This is absurd

Seriously. All the editors who are demanding civil actions have had disputes with me in the past or harbor different POV in terms of article-subjects. I consider this harassment, but I doubt anyone will accept that. Wikifan12345 (talk) 22:45, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

I have no objection with mentorship assuming it would be healthy or productive and not put me under the thumb of a cabal. I guess I'd have to acknowledge faults to enlist in this program, correct? : ) Wikifan12345 (talk) 09:33, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

It seems those who are interested in my mentorship are simply dictating the rights of any future punishment. User:Count Iblis doesn't even know me (the only thing he has done is followed me to a couple articles - BBC - I work on and revert my additions without summaries), and User:PelleSmith has maliciously edit-warred and been subject to a series of noticeboards and warring reports submitted by myself. User:Rd232 has gone through several tough content disputes, currently an on-going one at Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, and of course I'm the guilty one. I haven't even heard of User:Awickert and he seems he knows exactly what should be done to solve this elusive wikifan!. User:ChrisO has openly expressed his dislike for me several times, and several users at Israel and the apartheid analogy routinely accused him of stepping over the line and owning talk discussions. This is just disgusting. Wikifan12345 (talk) 19:53, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

I guess I can appreciate that. It's just distressing to see an obviously problematic user submit a POV-motivated ANI that has become, in my eyes, a kangaroo court where past users (some who I have only edited with to a very marginal extent) can be free to issue their dislikes without concern. Wikifan12345 (talk) 22:30, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

wf1-5, could you please open your email in the toolbox settings or send me an email using the 'Email this user' in the toolbox on my pages? Thanks --Shuki (talk) 20:38, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Map Making

I'm impressed by the maps you made for Operation Pleshet, and was wondering if you could tell me what software did you use, so I can create my own. Cheers. --Sherif9282 (talk) 15:54, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

I certainly will. Cheers. --Sherif9282 (talk) 07:01, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

I am in Egypt currently. I'll try to find the book when I can spare some time. Public libraries aren't as well maintained here as elsewhere in the world, but I'll see what I can do. --Sherif9282 (talk) 17:50, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Operation Pleshet

I see it made GA. Congrats! -- Nudve (talk) 12:07, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Greetings Yan, I noticed Pleshet passed its GA review, kudos! I also noticed the red links. I'll start Julis, Gaza now and probably create the others sometime this week. Keep up the good work! --Al Ameer son (talk) 00:54, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Hey again, I don't know if my local library would have that book (it's not too big), but I'll be glad to check whenever I'm there. --Al Ameer son (talk) 16:18, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Talkback

Gimme danger (talk) 22:30, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

the coordinates

Hey Ynhockey thanks for the remarks. here's my responce:

• Bareket observatory - this one is 100% right, i checked it in their website. here it is: go to דרכי הגעה on your right menu.

• Tal Institute - you are right i double checked it and now its correct :) sorry about that.

• Church of Bethphage - its a few meters down, checked in google and corrected.

• Church of the Primacy of St. Peter - its a few meters upwards, here's the source .

• Kabzeel - found here

• Handasaim Herzliya High School - weird i'm sure i put a link to a hertzeliya point, corrected.

• Achshaph - here's my source :

• Ohalo - i've been there, the lake is smaller now and thats why the place was found, its around there :).

sorry again for the mistakes, i'll try to be more accurate next time, and thanks for the comments.

(M5Power (talk) 14:03, 6 August 2009 (UTC))

Gedera

Ynhockney,

Neither I nor you gave sources for our caracterisation of the 1948 war as a 'war of independence' (you) or a 'war of expulsion' (me). Nor did we do so for our claims that the Arabs fled (you) or that they were forced to flee (me). Are you prepared to source your claims? If not, I am willing to do so. There are plenty of reliable (in my opinion) sources to prove that it was as I stated.

Yours,

Jezzerama —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.101.49.113 (talk) 14:55, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Ynhockney,

You have not responded, except to say, that my edit was 'not constructive'. Perhaps you could explain why? As I said above, neither you nor I provided sources. Who is more/less constructive, then?

Yours,

Jezzerama —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jezzerama (talk • contribs) 19:41, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Bat Yam

Hi Ynhockey. I see you have contributed greatly to Misplaced Pages. However, I would appreciate it if you would stop removing my addition to this fine article. My addition is legitimate. You are not a resident and maybe do not have "your ear to the ground" as to who is who in Bat Yam. Obviously we differ as to what the term "notable resident" means. I believe I have a right to my addition in that that is the nature of Misplaced Pages.... no one "owns" an article. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Avildorf (talk • contribs) 06:26, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Category:Palestinians and the United Nations

Misplaced Pages:Categories for discussion/Log/2009 August 5‎ - Hi Ynhockey, you may wish to become involved in the discussion on the above topic on this discussion page. Davshul (talk) 12:17, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Iron Dome

Ynhockey, could you please assess my Iron Dome article? I think it looks pretty good but I could probably add a background section that more specifically explains the history and future of the rocket threat on Israel's northern and southern borders. I would also like to add some sort of picture but I'm not exactly sure how the system works. Please provide any other suggestions/critiques/etc. Thanks!ShamWow (talk) 02:50, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

I've expanded the article if you want to take a look. I added a background section on the rocket threat on the northern and southern border. I also cleaned the lead (though I think it may require expansion). Please share how you think it can be further improved.ShamWow (talk) 22:00, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

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Vasermil Stadium

Hi Ynhockey. i need a re-assessment for the Vasermil Stadium, and i think that it deserves a start-class rating. By the way, you're doing a great job.Chumchum14 (talk) 08:40, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Qassam rocket

Ynhockey, I believe the Qassam rocket article needs to be under Wikiproject Israel. If you can, offer some sort of grade, but it needs serious SERIOUS work and I'm surprised how poor it is. I will be working on it. Just added the "International Law" section. Thanks. ShamWow (talk) 14:54, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

I went ahead and assessed the article. Wikifan12345 (talk) 02:14, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

A Point-Of-View is not a Point-Of-View if ynhokey sez it's not

Re: viewing land beyond Gedera, its proximity is not with a "border". You act against basic facts that Israel only has a border with Egypt and Jordan, neither of which are within sight of Gedera. It is your POV, Jew hating at worst, to demand or otherwise act arrogantly against the facts and deny same by subverting the corrections, ironically claiming they are a Point-Of-View. As if phrases meant to deny history are not a Point-Of-View. With regard to your affinity with de-judaizing designations or phrases like "West Bank", I defy you to find the usage of the de-Judaizing designation prior to its invention in 1951 for the land illegal occupied by the exiled Hashemite tyrant from the Hejaz. You seem to have an aversion for the use of terms that lend themselves to history rather than Points-Of-View against Jews ever existing in the land of their own name. Why is it you threaten me with actions against a display of history rather than contrary evidence?

Email

Did you get it? I sent you one. IronDuke 23:46, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Ma'ale Adumim

Hi Ynhockey, instead of encouraging users to edit-war I'd suggest you participate in discussion on the content of the article, and encourage others to do the same. --Dailycare (talk) 11:20, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Maybe I misunderstood, but "Thank you for undoing POV editing" sounds to me like encouraging to revert. No reasons for the revert were given, so if you don't mind I'd like to see the text restored to the article. --Dailycare (talk) 13:22, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

hataf kamatz

I noticed you changed the pronunciation for hataf kamatz on Misplaced Pages: Naming conventions (Hebrew) back to "a". I was under the impression that in Modern Hebrew it's always pronounced as /o/, e.g. /tsohorajim/ 'noon', /onija/ 'boat'. Mo-Al (talk) 02:03, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

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Palestinian villages

Hi. I used a source which I'd noticed Hulcha had used in a lot of her articles, some of which have appeared as a DYK. Therefore I assumed it was an accpetable source. However, if it is a site run by a Palestinian who is likely to exaggerate atrocities by Israeli's that sort of thing I don't want a conflict played out on wikipedia. If you can point me to a reliable source to expand all of the stubs I created yesterday please show me. If not, I will happily delete the stubs I created, which of course would stop the animosity. Dr. Blofeld 09:27, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Tis OK source can be replaced with:

• Hadawi, Sami (1970), Village Statistics of 1945: A Classification of Land and Area ownership in Palestine, Palestine Liberation Organization Research Center
• Khalidi, Walid (1992), All That Remains: The Palestinian Villages Occupied and Depopulated by Israel in 1948, Washington D.C.: Institute for Palestine Studies, ISBN 0887282245
• Morris, Benny (2004), The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem Revisited, Cambridge University Press, ISBN 0521009677, 9780521009676 {{citation}}: Check |isbn= value: invalid character (help)

Don't worry I'll replace the source over the next few days. Give me a few days and I'll flesh them out a bit too. Don't worry I won't go documenting alleged atrocities by Israelis or anything if you are concerned about that. Just basic data. Dr. Blofeld 10:07, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

I'll stick to the primary sources then. I believe that is what they used for remembered mostly, but some of the information about atrocities and ethnic cleansing is very sus. I'll gradually work through them and remove the remembered website ref link. Hulcha is a she BTW! Dr. Blofeld 14:14, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

AE

Hi! Apparently this AE was dismissed before I had an opportunity to present observations concerning it, which is a shame. Hopefully you will now cease your tendentious editing in the pages in question, and stop artificially dragging on the discussion on the talk page of MI. Since according to the decision my editing is not disruptive, I'd like to have the version I last entered restored to the page. Thank you. --Dailycare (talk) 16:03, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Correction, the substance appears to currently be there already so I'm OK with the wording. --Dailycare (talk) 16:05, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

RfC

Could you please let Wikiproject Palestine know about your RfC, as well as the Israeli one? SlimVirgin 18:35, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

country

Hey Yn, what do you think about my idea to have an if statement for the country to hide the field if set to 0? Would make it so all the current ones that have Israel in the country dont need to be modified and ones that shouldnt would easily be corrected. nableezy - 19:59, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

If you think it doesnt need to say Israel for places that are in Israel then I have no problem just keeping the field removed, but it seems standard practice to include the country in city articles' infoboxes. The one thing I want to avoid is the infoboxes saying Israel as the country for localities outside of Israel. Just a thought, though I leave it up to you. Did not think about null being 0, but a "hide_country" field set to 1 would be the same thing in practice. nableezy - 20:09, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

RfD: Equador, Rio Grande de Norte

Hi Ynhockey! The discussion at the Equador, Rio Grande de Norte RfD has gotten rather long (mostly my doing -- sorry) and much of it deals with the unrelated issue of moving the redirect's target or retargeting Equador. I hope that you'll read my reply to your "Delete" recommendation and reconsider. I do admit to being prejudiced in general against those redirects from misspellings that the search tool would easily catch itself, but I think that this is a special case which particularly merits deletion. Thank for "considering again". -- Thinking of England (talk) 21:31, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Kfar Sava / Kafr Saba

I don't really agree with your edit. In my opinion, "See also" is for articles that are related. In my opinion, Kfar Sava and Kafr Saba are not related other than having similar names and geographical proximity. Because the two have similar names, I can certainly see somebody accidentally mistyping "Kfar Sava" instead of "Kafr Saba".

However, I don't feel strongly enough about it to argue the matter. If you are not convinced, leave it as is. Yonideworst (talk) 00:31, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

moved from user talk:Yonideworst link to original edit

Hi Yonideworst! (What happenned to Yonidebest?)

I understand your point, but don't think you are quite correct on either:

• About being related—a similar name and geographic proximity is exactly what makes them related, similar to how Ashdod is related to Isdud even though they're not in the same location. The reason is that the Arab name was probably derived from the historical name, which is also related to modern Kfar Sava.
• About typing the wrong thing—this is a fairly obscure topic. On a normal month, it got less than 200 views, probably most of which were made by the primary editor. I don't believe that many people will directly type the name (rather, they might access the article through links or Google), and those who will, will probably know how to spell it. Besides, see also does not mean that it's hidden—I personally go straight to "see also" sections in many articles where I'm looking for related stuff, and believe that others do the same.

Finally, I don't feel strongly about it either. It just didn't seem like a plausible typo to me.

Cheers, Ynhockey 00:42, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

more coords

• Coastal Road massacre - http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=32.147956,34.803153&spn=0.00704,0.009624&t=h&z=17
• Lod Airport massacre - http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=31.995111,34.894069&spn=0.007052,0.009624&t=h&z=17
• National Water Carrier of Israel - http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=32.774574,35.253925&spn=0.055929,0.07699&t=h&z=14

--Shuki (talk) 19:36, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for providing them! I have added them to the articles. Cheers also for creating the article on Shikun UVinui. —Ynhockey 00:15, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

tinkering with templates

Hey Yn, just letting you know I put in a couple of changes to both the municipality and kibbutz templates. If the district is defined as js region will be set to West Bank. You want to revert those changes feel free, I just want the code in the history and I think this will solve some perceived problems. nableezy - 07:01, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Sneaky. --Shuki (talk) 11:27, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Arrow (missile)

May I ask for your help with it, in case you are interested with the subject? Some native speakers say the article desperately needs a good copyedit, and unfortunately my English isn't good enough. Thanks in advance. Flayer (talk) 09:18, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Running simultaneous A-class and GA reviews

Hello Ynhockey!

First off: congratulations on Operation Pleshet achieving A-Class. Got your sights on FA next?

I have a question for you. I put an article of mine on WP:GAN#WAR. It wasn't long before I discovered the page suffers from an incredible degree of backlog. It was a surprise for me at first, but at a closer look I realised that there are some GANs that are over a month old. While I'm waiting, I'm considering running an A-class review. Two things discourage me however. First is that I tend to see A-class as being higher than GA, and that I should reach GA level before moving on to A-class. The second thing is that the MilHist Academy discourages running simultaneous GA and A-class reviews, and indeed I'm concerned that, while undergoing an A-class review, someone might open a GA review.

So here I am coming to you for advice on the best course of action to pursue. Thanks. --Sherif9282 (talk) 00:14, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Wow! That was a fast reply!

Well that was helpful somewhat. To be honest, I've already implemented three of your suggestions. I reviewed your article for that same purpose, and recently I started working on my next article. I've already done a peer review, and received complaints on prose. So I asked an experienced copy-editor to help me, but he's busy in real life and very slow in editing the article. Until those prose issues are cleared, an FA is unlikely

I was hoping to finish an FAC in time for a main page appearance on the article's anniversary (which is just over a month away). That's the reason behind my impatience, and that's why I'm considering dropping GA in favor of an A-class review. What do you think? Thanks. --Sherif9282 (talk) 00:42, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

IMO that's the other main problem with the article: a lack of sources... I suppose you're right about the background information as well.

The Yom Kippur War article was promoted around 3 years ago, which is why it now looks more like a GA.

Anyway thanks for your advice. This was like a mini-peer review :) I really appreciate it. Cheers. --Sherif9282 (talk) 01:13, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Categories: Israel Prize recipients

I would be grateful if you would review the discussion on Misplaced Pages:Categories for discussion/Speedy regarding the renaming of some of the categories of Israel Prize recipients and advise the best way to proceed. Many thanks. Davshul (talk) 21:21, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

administrative question

Hi there. I have an administrative question, and since I noticed that you're an admin (and Nableezy in a conversation with you implied that I would consider you "friendly"), I thought I'd ask it here.

Lets say you have User A, who's blocked from editing a certain topic, and User B who's a very active editor in that topic, almost a single purpose account. If User A was editing his own talk page to include stuff that should go into articles in the topic from which he is banned, and User B was taking things from this talk page and inserting them into articles and then striking them off User A's page, would that be considered a violation of the rules? Trying to circumvent a ban?

Thanks, No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 15:32, 27 August 2009 (UTC)