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| Just removing EVERYTHING on this page because it's getting me dizzy... Anything someone wants to continue, do so but please name the discussion. One more thing, if I don't like what I'm reading IT WILL BE DELETED. It seems that certain people tend to get me going, so YOU WILL IMMEDIATELY GET REMOVED FROM THE PAGE. Unless of course I can't resist commenting back... One more thing I have to say I was unfairly blocked because every time I do something I seem to get reverted BY THE SAME PERSON. Then we have a war when I try not to, they warn me, I get reported, I get blocked, the page I edited gets locked, and then this person continues to revert everyone's edits. I really needed to get that off my chest! It's like when you write a letter out of anger (which I did once because my teacher said I don't stop talking and I think I can do what I want because I'm smart and then he asked the class if they agreed with me!)... | |||
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| ] This is the '''only warning''' you will receive for your disruptive edits. If you abuse a ] again{{#if:User talk:Collectonian|, as you did to ]}}, you will be blocked from editing Misplaced Pages. {{#if:|{{{2}}}|}}<!-- Template:Uw-tempabuse4im --> -- ] (] '''·''' ]) 18:32, 29 August 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ] You currently appear to be engaged in an ''']'''{{#if:List of Dragon Ball Z episodes|  according to the reverts you have made on ]}}. Note that the ] prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform several reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring even if they do not technically violate the ]. When in dispute with another editor you should first try to ] to work towards wording and content that gains a ] among editors. If that proves unsuccessful you are encouraged to seek ], and in some cases it may be appropriate to request ]. Please stop the disruption, otherwise '''you may be ] from editing'''. {{#if:|{{{2}}}|}}<!-- Template:uw-3rr --> -- ] (] '''·''' ]) 18:32, 29 August 2009 (UTC) | |||
| If you have a dispute with another editor, please discuss the issue with that editor. Reporting an established editor as a vandal over a content dispute is only going to make you look bad. Please don't do so again. --] (]) 18:53, 29 August 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :She doesn't not want to settle this dispute. She starts reporting me and I get blamed. Is is so much to ask for her to leave me alone and not cause an edit war every time I do something? ] (]) 19:00, 29 August 2009 (UTC) | |||
| If you're adding incorrect or unsourced facts, yes, she has the right to call you on it. I've worked with Collectonian for a long time and I find her to be one of the nicest, most fair-minded individuals on this site. The best way to avoid a confrontation is (a) don't go reporting someone with whom you disagree as a vandal and (b) cite the sources for your additions. --] (]) 19:03, 29 August 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :: She's nice? I've never seen that side of her... And she never said anything about things not being cited. She'll undo something and make up a bogus reason to do it and then more trouble begins. This does not have anything to do with me all together. Take a look at this ]. Her name pops up everywhere because she is ALWAYS undoing something and causing more trouble. ] (]) 19:07, 29 August 2009 (UTC) | |||
| I don't claim to be an ''anime'' or ''manga'' expert, so I can't say whether or not her edits are disruptive. All I can tell you is that the main characters in ''Dragon Ball Z'' are Goku and Vegeta and that Goku once had a prehensile tail like a monkey. I know zilch beyond that. :) I've seen her work on other articles under the same subjects, so I defer to her expertise. The fact is, these articles are dynamic and changing all the time, especially those on such popular subjects. Again, the best way to avoid a fight like this on any page where there is the possibility of disagreement is to cite your sources. If Collectonian were to revert your edits at that point then yes, she would be in the wrong. BTW, I am going to delete your user page for your own protection. WAY too much personal info and the internet is a dangerous place. ] (]) 19:14, 29 August 2009 (UTC) | |||
| : Your knowledge of DBZ could be about anything... LOL. Anyway, I wrote this comment on her page but she removed it. You should have a look: | |||
| First off, what does my page have anything to do with this? It's my profile (why are you putting so much interest into it, another reason why I think you are following me on Misplaced Pages), I should be entitled to write whatever I want. It's just a copy of my FanCorps profile and it gives info that any fanboy/fangirl would write on their page. I'm not stupid, I didn't reveal anything too personal. And another thing, remember that "favoritism" comment I posted a while back. IT APPLIES HERE. You're only siding with her because she's your friend and not looking past that. And that sort of threat about "having another word with me" should get reported but I'm honestly too tired out! All these arguments really do get the best of you... | |||
| One more thing, you had no right to delete my user page. You could have told me what was too personal, but that was not necessary! DO YOU KNOW HOW LONG IT TOOK ME TO WRITE AND FORMAT ALL THAT UP!!!! ] (]) 19:25, 29 August 2009 (UTC) | |||
| OK, I've left word with Collectonian. Again, take it from me that she is truly a fine and a fair-minded editor. If you have any further concerns, please feel free to leave them on my talk page and I'll help you work them out. Need to run, but I'd suggest that you log off for awhile, calm down a bit and return when you feel better. --] (]) 19:24, 29 August 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :PS: ] can help you as well. --] (]) 19:25, 29 August 2009 (UTC) | |||
| Whoa, time out! Yes, I ''do'' have the right and the duty to delete personal info for your own protection and no, it isn't lost. I can restore it at any time. Also, I am not making threats. "Having a word with you" is no threat. I am trying to resolve this issue for both your goods. If anyone is making threats, it's you who did so just now. I am also not playing favorites. Yes, I stepped in since she is my friend on this site, but as an administrator, I have to balance my personal feelings with facts and it seems that you'd been injecting personal opinion and original research claims in your edits. That was all she was concerned about. Your claim about being "entitled to write whatever I want" simply doesn't apply here. Please, just log off for a little bit and calm down. ] (]) 19:36, 29 August 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :If you don't get warned about something first, then Misplaced Pages is not a very good place to be at. I don't care if you had a right, it would have nice to warn me to remove some info (again, not so much personal info). I did not threaten you. And you are taking her side by even saying that to her. And one more thing, you are not putting your personal feeling aside because if you were this discussion wouldn't keep continuing because both her and I would have been disciplined. NOT JUST ME ] (]) 19:40, 29 August 2009 (UTC) | |||
| Oh, good grief...I am not "disciplining" you and I haven't blocked you from editing. I am trying to help you in more ways than one. ''She'' was concerned enough about the info on ''your'' userpage to bring it to my attention and I happened to agree with her. Just removing the personal info from the visible page leaves it on the edit history. It's still in the edit history, but you have to be an admin to retrieve it. I'll tell you what I will do for you: I will leave word at the admin noticeboard regarding your userpage. Other admins can review it and determine whether I was right or wrong. If I was wrong, the page will be restored. Now, please: Calm down and let me help. --] (]) 19:46, 29 August 2009 (UTC) | |||
| : I don't want the help that you are not giving me! This is discipline because I'm the one being told this and that was wrong while she sits back and reverts more edits around Misplaced Pages. I have learned that I should've cited my sources (and even re-worded everything to coincide with my original source on that page). If you want to delete it, delete it, get rid of it in the history if you want to. I know that even the slightest thing I write can be dangerous in the hands of another so do what you want. I just feel that you should have at least warned me if something was not right. ] (]) 19:54, 29 August 2009 (UTC) | |||
| If it's a warning you want, a warning you shall get: If you continue to violate ], I will in fact block you from editing for a short period of time. I have left word on the administrators' noticeboard regarding your talk page. I am signing off now. Please do the same, OK? --] (]) 19:57, 29 August 2009 (UTC) | |||
| : Don't start getting wise with me because I'm proving you were wrong. Report me if you want - that won't reach consensus (as you all say). If you and Collectonian admit you were both wrong (you for siding with her because she's your friend and not warning me about my page; Collectonian for reverting and constantly bothering me), I will admit I was wrong for acting like a baby and wanting things to go my way (even if I was right or wrong)... ] (]) 20:04, 29 August 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ::Hello, ]. You are a minor, which means you're at risk for scary, dangerous people on the internet. You've posted enough personal information on your user page that a sufficiently motivated scary, dangerous person could use it to identify your real name, and maybe even come to visit you at your house. We want you to be safe, which is why your userpage was deleted. Even if you'd blanked the information, anyone could still see it in the page history, which is why it had to be deleted. However, there's information on your userpage which is fine to share. Would you like me to restore a copy of the userpage with your identifying information removed? -]<span style="font-size: smaller;"> (] · ])</span> 20:10, 29 August 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ::: Can I see what was so personal?] (]) 23:07, 29 August 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Your birthdate, the city where you live, your first name, the address of your personal web site, the address of your blog- I'm no computer genius, but with all that, I'm pretty sure that even I can make contact with you with all that. Especially since, looking at the links you provided, I know exactly what you look like. I can't decide... should I show up at your junior high school after school, and just look for you as school lets out? Or should I wait until you next tell the entire Internet that you're out of town on vacation, then break into your house while your parents are out of town? Well, I'm not a scary, dangerous person, so I'm not going to do either of those things- but it's a big internet, so I'm not going to let you invite others to do them, either. -]<span style="font-size: smaller;"> (] · ])</span> 23:17, 29 August 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ::::: OK, what you said has shaken me up a bit, but my own site doesn't have much personal info on me. Yes, I mentioned where I lived and when I was going away, but I know for a fact that I hardly ever get any visitors (it's like I do all that hard work just to please myself. I like writing.) And there really isn't anything personal about my site and blog (which I rarely update). Again, thanks. I'm wondering, is there any way to permanently delete my userpage so not even the admins can read it. This has been a long day (dare I say - full of haters who favorite others and continuously revert any edits I make) and I'm just going to sit back and watch Dragon Ball Kai online in a half hour! ] (]) 23:28, 29 August 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::I'd add that since a good deal of the content appears to be a straight copy of pages from elsewhere it may well count as a copyright infringement. For instance your profile on blogger.com may belong to Google (see "Intellectual property rights" on . ] applies to user pages as well as articles. Also, remember that your userpage here is not a "profile"; most of the stuff you had on there doesn't meet the ] anyway. ] <sup>]</sup> 23:23, 29 August 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::: My profile info originated from my rarely used (private) MySpace, then to the blogs, then to here. There's NO way that that can be considered copyright infringement. That's like writing a comment on one site then copying it to another... ] (]) 23:28, 29 August 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::::Deleting it so that only admins can see it is the best we can do, but don't worry about it; the admins are carefully chosen, and looking at deleted pages is just enough of a pain in the neck that most of us don't bother doing it unless we have to. -]<span style="font-size: smaller;"> (] · ])</span> 23:36, 29 August 2009 (UTC) | |||
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| (indent unindented) I'm not so sure about the "not copyright" thing: Google says on the page I referenced "you agree that you will not copy, reproduce, alter, modify or create derivative works from the Service." The fact that you put it there yourself may not matter. Regarding deleting things so even admins can't read them, yes - this is called "Oversight", and you'll find details ]. ] is teh page for requesting oversight. Nothing is ever completely deleted, but oversighted edits are only available to a '''very''' small number of people. ] <sup>]</sup> 23:42, 29 August 2009 (UTC) | |||
| Re your latest edit war. Read your own source "The Dragon Box will be produced from the original Dragon Box masters after a frame by frame restoration and will span the entire 291 episode television series and '''all 13 of its movies'''" and stop edit warring, period. You've been allowed far more leeway than most, and pissing on the administrator who is trying to help keep you from getting blocked is not the way to go. -- ] (] '''·''' ]) 20:13, 29 August 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ::Yes, but if you did some more research and basic math, you would know that the FUNi stated at the convention that approx. 40 episodes would belong to each set (40 x 7 is 280; which is close to 291). Another thing, you stopped doing this but Dragon Ball and GT were not confirmed for releases. These has been no word on these releases or the movies, just the seven TV sets. I'll be back in two days to make the correct edits. Oh, and, I don't care if I was pissing on an admin because he was wrong picking sides because of friendship (the exact section on your talk was "Got your back!"). ] (]) 23:07, 29 August 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :::It's only fair to tell you: we don't give as many warnings on the second offense, because at that point, we assume that you know that the rules require ] and ]. So if you do go back to making the same edits after the block, you'll be immediately blocked again, for a longer period of time. -]<span style="font-size: smaller;"> (] · ])</span> 23:20, 29 August 2009 (UTC) | |||
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Just removing EVERYTHING on this page because it's getting me dizzy... Anything someone wants to continue, do so but please name the discussion. One more thing, if I don't like what I'm reading IT WILL BE DELETED. It seems that certain people tend to get me going, so YOU WILL IMMEDIATELY GET REMOVED FROM THE PAGE. Unless of course I can't resist commenting back... One more thing I have to say I was unfairly blocked because every time I do something I seem to get reverted BY THE SAME PERSON. Then we have a war when I try not to, they warn me, I get reported, I get blocked, the page I edited gets locked, and then this person continues to revert everyone's edits. I really needed to get that off my chest! It's like when you write a letter out of anger (which I did once because my teacher said I don't stop talking and I think I can do what I want because I'm smart and then he asked the class if they agreed with me!)...