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Boris needs KGB must structure fix

A comrade of yours has made important observations about bourgeois USA. I refuse to be a part of Japan. Alaska, being next part of Czarist empire, shall welcome me with open arms. Comrade Palin will assist the takeover. OrangeMarlin 02:42, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Da, KGB never wrong. Boris must begin practice "eh". Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 02:50, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Bob and Doug MacKenzie will rule Minnesota. OrangeMarlin 02:52, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

They did always strike me as fellow travelers, or at least useful idiots. MastCell  03:45, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

All idiots are useful, but some idiots are more useful than others. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 03:54, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Eh? ---Skyemoor (talk) 01:28, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

If you're looking for a chuckle

"I am not a conspiarcy theorist. I am a scientist and freedom fighter." I have to admit I almost coughed coffee all over my nice laptop reading through that page. Bring an extra microphone stand, and a microwave oven. Antandrus (talk) 16:35, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Uff da. The most disturbing thing about that page is that it was probably not written under the influence of drugs. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 03:12, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Citizendium Homeopathy

That article is truly awful. However, Dana Ullman is clearly a better writer than he is a physician or scientist. It's almost as bad as his awful books. Verbal chat 18:07, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Citizendium is an interesting place. I was active there for a while but gradually stopped for various reasons. I really, really wanted (and still want) Citizendium to succeed but at the moment things do not look promising. Some of its problems are not its own fault -- it's hard to spin up a brand new project -- but it's also been damaged by self-inflicted wounds. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 18:13, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

People like Ullman are willing to put up with the hoops you have to jump through to get on there and edit. I'm not so keen on being attacked by people who know my real name and location. It would help if they were a bit quicker to do something about people like Ullman. It is a shame - I thought it could be good, but now it's past saving. They could start again, with a new fork of WP - but I guess their editors wouldn't allow that. WP is by no means perfect, in fact I used to hate it. I'm not sure how I feel now :) Verbal chat 18:19, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

My view of WP parallels Churchill's view of democracy. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 19:46, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

PS. re Homeopathy: I find it interesting that homeopathic treatment apparently produces distinctive quirks of grammar and punctuation, such as those shared by Dr.J and User:JeanandJane. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 20:47, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Why hasn't the account of J&J been investigated as a sock of Dr.J? -- Brangifer (talk) 14:30, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Appreciate the benefit of the doubt...

And I've made it (hopefully) perfectly clear on the AE page that it is MY clarification and my view, and I do not deign to speak, or what have you for the Arbitration Commmittee. :) SirFozzie (talk) 01:44, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Deigning to presume to make the presumptuous assumption... oh dear, I'm going insane again. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 02:02, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

More people should go insane, making insanity the accepted normal! Then Sane people would be insane and only insane people would be sane! (tries to reason that out.....) *Fozzie's Head explode* SirFozzie (talk) 02:14, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

March 2009

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to vandalize Misplaced Pages, as you did at User:William M. Connolley, you will be blocked from editing. What the hell? Mark Shaw (talk) 04:01, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Aww, don't spoil the fun, Mark! I was just breaking out the popcorn! (Check the history of Boris' userpage.) Awickert (talk) 04:32, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

heh...are you stirring up trouble, Boris? :-) R. Baley (talk) 04:50, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Ummmmmm. Oops! Carry on.... Mark Shaw (talk) 12:51, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

 :-) William M. Connolley (talk) 10:22, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

It's comfortable not being an admin any more. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 19:39, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Pietru ANI

At least hams can be cured. → You need to be pun-ished for that statement ;-) And I thought "socker mom" (cf ItsLassieTime ANI post) was bad... MuZemike 02:59, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Stupidity hall of fame

Maybe you need a copy of this photo  :-) William M. Connolley (talk) 20:47, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

heh! --Kim D. Petersen (talk) 21:00, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Luv da quote. Now I will feel even more self-righteous than usual when I ride my bike home from work this afternoon. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 21:06, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

A peek behind the denialist curtain

I'm curious what your thoughts are about this. I thought that the most fascinating part of the Global Climate Coalition primer () is the end, where they assess and deconstruct the "contrarian" arguments of people like Lindzen and Patrick Michaels. Climate change denialism is probably entering a phase analogous to where the tobacco industry was in the late 1990s - we can expect more documents to leak out gradually; the racketeering trial (a la U.S.A. v. Philip Morris et al.) is probably still 5-10 years away. MastCell  03:58, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Oh ... my ... G...

That's one of the funniest things I've found waiting for me on my own talk page, after just leaving the house for a couple hours, in recent memory. What makes it extra-special is the one just above who is calling me a fascist! It even inspired me to pull my Quotations from Chairman Mao from its place of distinction on my shelf (next to my Quotations from Chairman LBJ -- now there's a splendid little souvenir of the Sixties). Antandrus (talk) 20:05, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Mr. IP24 has gone to visit the Lubyanka. I understand Comrade Beria will visit shortly. Given the focus of Mr. IP's outrage, I would have thought he'd stick with "fascist." As for the sayings of the Chairman, I believe he stated that "Power grows from the barrel of a block button", but I could be confused. Acroterion _(talk) 20:11, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Fasces and sickle

Just what I was looking for; thanks. Acroterion _(talk) 19:47, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

I guess the next problem is a severe one: if my right jackboot doesn't know what the left is doing, where can I go to seek asylum now? Antandrus (talk) 03:13, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

If right jackboot not being politically aligned with left then needing to arrest cobbler. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 03:50, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Note

As soon as I opened your talk page I realized who you are. Another one of those who cannot stand people with different opinions. That is not a personal insult, that is an assertion of the obvious. I have arguments and therefore the right to doubt climate change quasiscience. I provided several references that were removed with an argument that "some people think it is not appropriate", or that references are "crap", or that "we mustn't spoil an excellent article". Triumph of ideology over facts.Jaksap (talk) 03:39, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Dang those liberals with their reality-bias! Although post-modernism used to be an idea associated with leftists... --Stephan Schulz (talk) 06:00, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

The obvious doesn't need to be "asserted". Being that it's obvious and all. The right to doubt something and the right to have those doubts prominently displayed on someone else's webserver are two different things, though very few people seem capable of making that distinction. MastCell  06:55, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Welcome to Misplaced Pages. We invite everyone to contribute constructively to our encyclopedia. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing. However, unconstructive edits, such as those you made to Alexis Herman, are considered vandalism and are immediately reverted. If you continue in this manner you may be blocked from editing without further warning. Please stop. Consider improving rather than damaging the work of others. OhNoitsJamie 20:48, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Uh oh. you may have just taken that first, irrevocable step toward becoming Short Brigade Harvester Boris On Wheels... MastCell  03:30, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Bourgeois hooliganism one of few pleasurable activities in this collective. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 13:28, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

SBHBOW? Hard to say. KillerChihuahua 00:08, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

ShoBHoBOW? Even NASA couldn't do it. They'd scrap the mission because they couldn't make an acronym. Awickert (talk) 00:14, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

NASA has never scrapped anything due to lack of acronyms. I present for your consideration the Combined Operational Load-Bearing External Resistance Treadmill. KillerChihuahua 00:25, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

...or change the mission name :-). Awickert (talk) 00:47, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Well, it isn't as if Ray-ray hadn't changed his name before, but I *like* this one. KillerChihuahua 16:36, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Rough justice

You might think I'm a ruffian, but I don't think you've picked the right time to beat me up. I've been much better behaved recently! Having a policy dispute is not a reason for a topic ban. You could just have had a quite word on my TP. Andrewjlockley (talk) 16:39, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

long term effects of ill-informed rambling

can you have another look at LTEoGW? I'd love to know what your source is for 3C or not of deep ocean warming. I have no idea who's studied ocean floor warming. Can you give me some pointers? Andrewjlockley (talk) 23:23, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Everything you know is wrong

Seems rather familiar..... could it be because May 25 Is Darwinius Day, The Most Important Day IN 47 MILLION YEARS! ? What would Darwinius say?? . . dave souza, talk 22:54, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Har! Great, thanks, I wasn't aware of the video. Gotta start wasting more time on YouTube. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 13:45, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

A small bit of amusement...

The Beatles? --Kim D. Petersen (talk) 10:41, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

You gotta marvel at people who do stuff like this, right down to the realistic Höfner and Ricky 325. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 13:48, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

WP:LAME

I agree. Describing someone rolled over by a tank as "Saint Pancake" should be a no-brainer.

Ridgeback fan? Great dogs. Breed profile is that they are supposed to be a bit standoffish, but the ones that my dad and his wife keep are awesome - they have 6, with 10 puppies on the way. Nathan 02:52, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

A study on how to cover scientific uncertainties/controversies

Hi. I have emailed you to ask whether you would agree to participate in a short survey on how to cover scientific uncertainties/controversies in articles pertaining to global warming and climate change. If interested, please email me Encyclopaedia21 (talk) 18:51, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Yo big boy

Seen this ? You wouldn't have a copy of CC handy would you? William M. Connolley (talk) 22:16, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Our library gots it. Will send along a copy of the pdf. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 22:38, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Request for your side of the story

Hi SBHB,
I'm currently looking at responding to a request for third party opinion in respects of a recent talk-page delete by yourself (see here).
I realize that there can be very good reason for such deletes, but would appreciate a brief comment from yourself on the matter: particularly if there is some sort of history with this guy and global warming issues?
I don't need an essay, and I'm certainly not asking you to justify yourself (my brief review of that page suggests your hardly attempting to disrupt constructive contributions) - just wanting a little background on the issue from your point-of-view.
Thanks for your assistance, -- Muzhogg (talk) 22:04, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Request denied. Move along, nothing to see here. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 22:08, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Is this Boris Badenov yet?

. Oy. I suspect the "C" word is on the way. Antandrus (talk) 03:32, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

You may know this if you're a fan, but in Arrested Development, the Bluth family yacht was christened The Seaward. Second-best pun ever. MastCell  03:45, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

LOL! That's hilarious. Most puns are about as subtle as a hand grenade. Occasionally someone builds one with a silencer. :) Antandrus (talk) 04:20, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Incorrect Boris needing long rest in fine Soviet hotel. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 13:57, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

The Seaward has arrived. It's even "reckless." Darn, I'm getting good at this. Antandrus (talk) 20:55, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

That people could actually want a Misplaced Pages article on themselves (or someone they care about) blows my mind. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 02:39, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Vanity and hubris overcome better judgment. It was already an old story when Aeschylus told it. MastCell  03:12, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Rule 5 violation ongoing here

Hi Boris. Ive searched the Help pages for "Rule 5" (violatons etc.). Can't find anything about it, please help.--Damorbel (talk) 16:03, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

It was Kim and Awickert who violated Rule 5. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 19:16, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Low willpower. Awickert (talk) 20:17, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Don't feel so bad -- we all have occasional slips. You penalty is two shots of chilled Aqavit. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 20:49, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Do we have to slip first, or can we go straight to the Aqavit? -Atmoz (talk) 22:17, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

2 Ålborg's going down ;-) (never have a freezer without) --Kim D. Petersen (talk) 22:20, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Still don't know what Rule 5 is, something about whose turn to get the drinks?--Damorbel (talk) 20:00, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

PLACEMENT COMES FIRST. MastCell  21:17, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Violation of the Law of Fives occurs only in the head of one with unsufficient imagination. - 2/0 (cont.) 21:48, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Where's Keeper? We're talkin' baseball here. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 00:46, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Hi Boris, Newbie Help has a few observations ] on "Rule 5", they seem good to me.--Damorbel (talk) 14:40, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Sounds reasonable, but that's not it. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 14:59, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

"That's not it". What's the problem? Heard about it but can't quite remember where? Perhaps there's a clue here , you never know.--Damorbel (talk) 16:33, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

I'd like to go on record here to say, I haven't the foggiest idea what this thread is about, nor why I'm reading it, nor why my name was brought up. In short, huh? Keeper | 76 04:24, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Email me. (Yours apparently is disabled.) Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 04:32, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Yeah. I don't do email. Or IRC. Not for Misplaced Pages. I barely function, really. I've mastered few things in life, come to think of it. I imagine whatever this thread is about is all being taken care of quickly and quietly by magic fairies, according to the bylaws of Rule 5. I need to sleep now. Keeper | 76 04:38, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Rmv personal 'essay' on Global Warming talk

I have seen enough misinformation 'proving' global warming doesn't exist even in the few times I have gone to the above talk page to know that the deleted info was probably bogus. And I certainly can't blame anyone presented with exactly the same arguments as they refuted months ago, for wanting to make it all just go away. But wouldn't it be better to just say so, and let the information fall on its own demerits? What exactly about that info makes it an essay, anyway? Anarchangel (talk) 03:23, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

here's the whole quote

"Stating that "Michael Jackson's doctor gave him so many allopathic drugs (all together) that he died!" is a WP:BLP violation" <-- Thanks for explaining that. What "Avathaar" said was, "...imagine if all allopaths were portrayed murderers/manslaughterers just because Michael Jackson's doctor gave him so many allopathic drugs (all together) that he died!", which is a hypothetical and a valid analogy. Related reading: accusations about personal behavior that lack evidence. --JWSchmidt (talk) 00:29, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. You've effectively answered the other matter I was wondering about as well. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 00:37, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Homeopathy

For your enlightenment:

• Mitchell and Webb: If Homeopathy Beats Science

• "Don't drink water - it remembers all the shit it had in it."

-- Brangifer (talk) 06:08, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Citation!

		The Barnstar of Good Humor
		For the clarity of mind to quote Candide in the midst of an earthquake, fire and siege, I do confer on thee this Barnstar of Good Humor. GTBacchus 20:14, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! I've been told I can be a bit obtuse nonsensical too sophisticated for the philistines around here, so it's nice to know when I've managed to get a point across. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 20:33, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

What we need here is a nice little auto-da-fé to handle those philistines.... --Stephan Schulz (talk) 07:31, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

PhotoReading

Thanks for helping with PhotoReading. If you'll notice the comments on the talk page, I'm in the process of stubbing the entire article. I'm still hopeful that new references can be found, but with what we have now I wouldn't be against deleting it. --Ronz (talk) 02:09, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

I'd like to keep the article simply because I'm interested in such things (being an educator on the one hand, and having tons of stuff I have to read on the other) but there may not be enough third-party coverage to justify it. I haven't been able to find any further references other than promotional materials and blogs. The MacNamara report is solid, but even the company's own materials are sketchy. This supposedly answers the question "How does the PhotoReading process work?" but it doesn't. Being able to read and understand an entire issue of Geophysical Research Letters in a few minutes would make life easier, but alas... Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 02:38, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Sockpuppetry accusation

You have been accused of sockpuppetry at Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Papa November. Scared? Papa November (talk) 18:03, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Hilarious. Ruth is stranger than Richard. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 18:27, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Nathan 18:32, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. Beer? Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 18:33, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Holy schnizzle. That would be a sockpuppet ring to be proud of. I thought I was slick, since I operate this account along with User:Jpgordon, User:SlimVirgin, and User:Jayjg (see for evidence), but that would be even more impressive. MastCell  18:35, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

@Nathan: That's bitchin'. Drop by any time. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 19:01, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Technically I've been here before. I just assumed you missed the orange bar ;) Nathan 19:47, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

It's that sig - he probably glanced at your comment and thought it was me, since I practically live here. MastCell  19:54, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Or one of your sockpuppets. I've been tempted to register User:Legion before someone takes it. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 05:25, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

User:Frei Hans

Based on his unblock requests, the user didn't learn anything and is still aquesing editors of disruptive editing and sockpuppeting. Just though I'd give you a heads up.Abce2|Free LemonadeOnly 25 cents!(Sign here) 05:07, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Rule Five

Possibly another Rule Five violation? Not wanting to burn any more of this fine summer morning on this, I think I won't post there again. By the way, what is the name for that logical fallacy -- if it is one, technically -- where your opponent just ignores everything you say; the "talking to a wall" fallacy? Aside from "Rule Five", I mean. Cheers, ..er, I mean mir i druzhba! Antandrus (talk) 15:27, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT. Not a logical fallacy, really, but it should be considered a violation of WP:CIV. --Stephan Schulz (talk) 15:47, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Comrade Boris-stubborn needing stay in hospital. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 15:49, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Like many things Soviet, the psikhushka is making a comeback. Just ask Larisa Arap. MastCell  19:00, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

thanks

I just wanted to say thank you for your insight. I appreciate that! ;) — Ched :  ?  03:57, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Yin and yang, light and dark, hot and cold. Or in the words of another great philosopher, I say high, you say low, You say why, and I say I don't know. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 04:29, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

I've had a strange run of comments the last couple days which related to the music I most identified with while I was going through my "growing years". The Beatles. Odd somehow, that the things I found most relevant back then should become so relevant so many years later. ;) — Ched :  ?  06:25, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Ian Plimer

You may wish to comment here. Thanks. ► RATEL ◄ 05:23, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Is nobody going to aid me in resisting the scibabies and deniers? Your comments at the RfCs on this Talk page would be gratefully accepted. Thanks! ► RATEL ◄ 02:22, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

David Legates Unreferenced Section

User:Raul654 has just deleted the entire publication list in support to the Research section of the article. I was just writing a (rather lengthy) entry on the talk page asking him to explain. I can't just revert him since he does have the power to block. Please take a look at the edit history and talk page. --70.234.164.230 (talk) 00:43, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

I looked. Misplaced Pages bios don't ordinarily include someone's whole publication list. This is not discriminating against Legates; we don't list Jim Hansen's pubs either, to pick someone on the opposite end of the global warming issue. A few especially prominent publications might be OK but a better course would be to give a link to his CV (most people have theirs online nowadays). Let me know if you have any other questions. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 00:51, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Sorry for duplicating messages. Im stupid enough to forget that you can watch a page when logged in. I will try and provide references within writeout on Legates' research. Thanks for the explanation.--70.234.164.230 (talk) 01:03, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Requesting help

If I may please request another favor of you-- would you please help mediate the emerging editing conflict at David Legates (i know, give someone a finger...) Here are the article as I found it a couple of weeks ago, and my latest edit (diff.) Throughout this I have seen many reverts from User:Raul654 most of which were a little too summarily explained (if explained at all). Most of my edits were directed at adding references and providing a balanced picture based on the guy's publications and any verifiable external refs. As you have seen already, I went as far as summarizing all the paper abstracts I could locate online, as well as giving exact amounts of funding based on Greenpeace records. I have even searched old website versions at archive.org. For some reason i fail to understand Raul654's rationale. Is there something I am missing? Any suggestion or WP guideline I am conflicting with? Any way I could try to reason with Raul654 that would not attract a block? Any bit of help would be greatly appreciated!--70.234.164.230 (talk) 02:08, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

I think that describing all of his activities isn't the goal of an encyclopedia article. Instead, discuss the main thrust of his work and anything especially important that he has accomplished. For example, the global climatological analyses that he did with Cort Wilmott has been very widely used (though now mostly superseded by the updated Wilmott and Matsuura analyses) and probably has been cited hundreds of times in the professional literature. The article doesn't even mention this, which is in my view his most important professional product. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 03:28, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Hi Boris, since you seem to be a lot more knowledgeable of the field than I am, and if I'm not asking too much, could you please provide a very brief summary on this with minimal pointers to those most prominent pieces of work? (If you give just the authors and year, or year and journal, I can then go in and edit the complete references into the text). Just 2-3 sentences? The more controversial work could then easily be described separately and qualified as such. I have to admit that right now that section is mainly a hodge-podge of ideas. --70.234.164.230 (talk) 03:51, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Discussions such as this really should be taking place on the article talk page, where everyone interested in the topic can easily see them. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 04:33, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Copied there --70.234.164.230 (talk) 05:15, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Re: Thanks

The recent issues with Kirill and Rlevese really bring home the point that while we're quick to criticize when arbcom does something wrong, we rarely thank you guys for the job you do. Sometimes I agree with what you do, sometimes I disagree, but I never doubt that you're doing what you think is right. I'm as guilty as anybody -- given the culture around this place I don't want it to look like I'm sucking up. But screw it, I'm going to say what I want.
So: thanks Roger. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 02:39, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Thank you very much :)  Roger Davies 08:36, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Missed your question

Hi. I missed your query at WQA, and now the thread is closed. You asked what I would have used for a block summary. I would have indicated the actions that the block was intended to stop. For example: "Repeated accusations of 'threatening messages' in response to attempts at communication. Warned repeatedly." See how that conveys actual information, whereas "General malaise" simply indicates that the blocking admin considers the issue boring (irrelevant), finds his personal feelings to be worth yakking about in a block summary (callow), and doesn't care to convey the appropriate information (unprofessional).

Why not describe the problem behavior in a what that is useful and accessible for later readers of the block log? -GTBacchus 17:44, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Bass lines

You never took me up on my request to list what you consider the best bass lines of all time. I'll start: Sneakin' Sally Through the Alley. OK, your turn. MastCell  22:14, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Why can't you ask simple questions, like "What is the nature of beauty?" or "How can we ensure lasting peace and cooperation in the Middle East?"

There's just so much out there so there's got to be some way of narrowing it down. Let's begin by sticking to "pop" music. As for playing style, I like bass pyrotechnics as much as the next guy but there's something special about when the bassist keeps the whole band focused. And usually nobody notices. Bass players often joke that playing bass in a band is like being an offensive lineman - when you're not doing your job the team sucks, and when you are doing your job the quarterback and receivers get all the glory.

So I'll leave Flea and Jaco and all those guys behind for the moment and name a few tunes where the bass grounds the song in a really special way.

• "Papa's Got a Brand New Bag" - If someone was to ask "What does it mean when you say a band is 'tight'?" I'd play them this. I don't even know who plays bass on it but he's great. This is one of the best examples of the traditional role of the bass in holding down the bottom end and making a groove for everything else to build on. Some would say this is not technically impressive bass playing because he doesn't operate his instrument like a GAU-8/A. But listen - his rhythmic sense is perfect, and when he's just barely behind the beat he's behind in exactly the right way, with each note perfectly articulated. You've got to be really good to play this simply.
• My flippant answer was going to be "anything Jack Casady played," since he's been my favorite player since I was about 14 years old (which was a good *cough*ahem* years ago). "Crown of Creation" (from the album of the same name) has to be right up there. Stylistically this is about as far from "Papa's Got a Brand New Bag" as you can get. This song has several distinct parts and Casady is in total control of the group for each of them. The passage where he gradually brings the whole band down for the slow, sparse ending is just amazing - the best analogy I can think of is that it's like watching the Space Shuttle gliding down from orbit back to Earth. (And Boris approving of his bass balalaika as most prized instrument.)
• No list like this one would be complete without Paul McCartney. Although he did some great, melodic playing even in their early days (listen to his line on "All My Loving") he really flowered from the Sgt. Pepper period onward, when he began overdubbing the bass as a separate track. "With a Little Help From My Friends" is my choice today, though tomorrow it might be something different.

I could go on and on, but some of us have to go to work in the morning. Maybe I'll add some more when inspiration strikes. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 03:33, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I think Paul McCartney's playing was remarkable - actually, even more so in the Beatles' earlier years, because back then the expectations for a bassist were so much lower. He was one of the first players in mainstream pop/rock to approach the bass as an actual musical instrument. Even the most straightforward pop-by-numbers song from the early Beatles catalog has an interesting bass line. I have to admit that I can't really appreciate the Jefferson Airplane, but I probably haven't given it enough of a chance. OK, I'll go next - earlier Elvis Costello is pretty impressive - Alison, Pump It Up, Beyond Belief... MastCell  04:11, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm a little surprised there was no Entwistle, Squire, Lake, Berlin, etc. Then again, you did say you'd do more, so I'll look back in again. I'll also mention Greg Reeves, from CSN&Y's Deja Vu. --Skyemoor (talk) 16:12, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

"Substitute" and "Summertime Blues" from Live at Leeds were on the list, along with of course "Behind Blue Eyes," but I edited them out in the interest of brevity. Sadly his bass is lower in the mix on the CD version than on vinyl. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 16:19, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Automated archiver

Hey Boris. Talk page is filling up. If you want, here's the code for an automated archiver complete with archive box and search. Just copy it it here.

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|maxarchivesize = 100K
|counter = 1
|minthreadsleft = 4
|algo = old(7d)
|archive = User talk:Short Brigade Harvester Boris/Archive %(counter)d
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It's set to archive threads seven days or older, it'll stop if there are only four threads left. Here's the documentation. ChyranandChloe (talk) 06:35, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Resign

I thought you were resigning but you were only re-signing :-) William M. Connolley (talk) 17:40, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Golly gee, I forgot the hyphen. It's not like I'd ever do that on purpose... Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 17:44, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Next, he'll say he's in retail (visualize the hyphen). --Skyemoor (talk) 16:06, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Climate change

Over the next few days, I think I'm going to try to decruftify and regrammaticize the geologic portions of the climate change article. My background is not in climate, so if you could keep an eye on the changes, I'd appreciate it. Awickert (talk) 23:19, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Boris join patriotic comrade in fraternal assistance for glory of Motherland. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 01:26, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Inspiring. Вставайте люди русские! MastCell  06:03, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Andrey busy working for collective good, make edits late at night as part of additional "voluntary" labor. Is afraid grammar may suffering, Boris Shortinov. Awickert (talk) 08:10, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Notification of arbcom discussion

Your actions have been discussed here as relevant to an ongoing arbitration case. You may wish to comment. I have linked a prior version of the page because the person who added this material reverted it and then incorporated the material by reference to the reversion, so as to make it impossible for you simply to search for your name. (Hope that's not too confusing.) Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 01:49, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

I hope you can understand how hilarious this is. Thanks, it's very helpful. --Abd (talk) 03:39, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

We live to serve. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 00:00, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

The DRAMAOUT

Apparently, we are currently in the midst of a WP:DRAMAOUT. As my personal hero, Tom Lehrer, once observed of National Brotherhood Week: "On the first day of the week, Malcolm X was killed, which gives you an idea of how effective the whole thing is." MastCell  06:09, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

... and sorry for vandalizing your userpage. I couldn't resist. MastCell  23:52, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, the DRAMAOUT is going just swimmingly, far and away better than one dared to hope. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 03:50, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

What, who thought that nonsense was gong to be anything more than a slush of empty public posturing, with a smattering of well-intentioned but naive participants? More Kool Aid is needed. KillerChihuahuaAdvice 02:13, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Notice to all users in the arb case

This is a general notice to all users involved in the Abd/WMC arbitration case that further disruptive conduct within the case will not be tolerated and will result in blocks being issued by Clerks or Arbitrators as needed. More information is available at the announcement here; please be sure to read that post in full. Receipt of this message does not necessarily imply that you are at risk of a block or have been acting in a disruptive manner; it is a general notice to all that the Clerks and ArbCom are aware of issues in the case and will not be tolerating them any longer. If you have any questions, please post them to the linked section. Thank you.

Thought that I had, sorry. Normally I wouldn't bother since you've obviously noticed it anyway, but you do have a good point. Hersfold non-admin 13:48, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Your expertise is needed

Boris,

I received an email:

Beautiful Russian Women Are Waiting to Meet You.

http://www.whalewaxyellow.com/click.cgi?sid=82438251&cid=6146921&ed=32754&eip=38100&ld=32754&lip=38100&url=t1

Online dating has brought a whole new meaning to finding your soul mate.

Your choices are no longer limited to the people in your hometown or county.

I write to ask you, why whale wax yellow for meeting beautiful Russian women? Is there secret meaning to this? Please explain, comrade harvester. KillerChihuahuaAdvice 02:19, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Boris never divulge secrets of whale wax under imperialist torture. Comrades in Committee for State Security visiting small violent Mexican dog. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 02:43, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Comrades and sockpuppers most diligent revolutionaries. (When I read Cormac McCarthy's Blood Meridian recently, I couldn't help but think of "Killer Chihuahua" in a completely different context.) Antandrus (talk) 02:45, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

I am happy to have given your literary adventures a new aspect. KillerChihuahuaAdvice 19:38, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

fyodor

Hal McGee's site says his name is spelled Lichtenverg not Lichtenberg (http://halmcgee.com/hal50thbirthdaymania.html) but I can't be too sure. do you have more information on the artist? riffic (talk) 03:45, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

I've been casually (very casually) acquainted with him since we were both at the University of Virginia in the late 1970s-early 80s. I'll email him to double-check how he spells his name. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 03:50, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Economic cost

Boris, need help on the "Economic" section of Global warming, here's the link to the discussion. ChyranandChloe (talk) 04:19, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, I have little knowledge of or interest in the economic stuff (despite my undergrad degree being in economics). Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 00:30, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Have less. Thanks anyway, Misplaced Pages values people like you, not explicit, doesn't have to be. My two cents, professorship can mean a lot, but should value improving the community, they're your barrier between PoV-pushers and improving the encycolopedia. ;) ChyranandChloe (talk) 03:26, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Petition for Feedback

In the past, you have been a key contributor on the Robert Young (author) page. I recently posted some statements on the discussion page for contributor feedback. The goal for these recent statements is to give a synopsis of the primary content found in Young's books. I am not sure if you have seen the latest draft I posted. I do not want to post anything in the article until I have full approval from the other contributors like yourself. So I am writing to ask your opinion on the matter and support so that a representation of the content found in Young's books can be included in some form or another in his article. Side note - this may come up so I will explain my reasoning now: I referenced his blog a few times because he seems to sum up the bulk of the content found in his books in his blog called Articles of Health. If that is unacceptable then I can reference the same content from his books. Respectfully, Honest Research (talk) 16:59, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Why did you self-revert?

? I was just trying to add an "I don't care" option and sign it. --GoRight (talk) 03:07, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Just having a little fun, but decided that we should take BLPs a bit more seriously. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 03:10, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for input on Satellite Temp Image

Based on your advice I have applied year labels, also changed gray background to white. Regards, SunSw0rd (talk) 15:46, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

+++

You said: "As for trend lines, RSS and UAH disagree with you -- they make a point of reporting the slope of the trend line and continually updating it." Can you please provide me with a source file at each respective site (e.g. RSS and UAH) that shows this? Thanks. SunSw0rd (talk) 13:12, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

UAH: last line in . RSS is on . -Atmoz (talk) 15:31, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Yup. They also keep it updated on their less-technical web pages, e.g. . Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 15:42, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Indian newspaper review, Heaven & earth

SBH Boris, would you care to express your opinion on this topic (again)? The current question is whether the supplemental info (book review, financial paper etc.) should be in the footnote (as I believe -- this sort of stuff is almost always footnoted) or in the article text (as another editor believes). See Note 36 for my proposal. TIA & cheers, Pete Tillman (talk) 18:07, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Account

Posted one comment under another account maybe a year ago (have since forgotten what the account was even named). But this is it for me. That's why I only commented on the talk page. I don't know that it was even appropriate for me to do that, but I thought it was better than wading into the Workshop page without any real standing to do so. WorriedScientist (talk) 18:43, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

OK. You've probably noticed that emotions are high in this particular case, so when the first edit of a brand-new account is to comment on this case people might get edgy. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 18:48, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Understood. That's why I replied right away. WorriedScientist (talk) 18:53, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

WT:NPOV

I just wanted to clarify something, in case you hadn't already caught it yourself. On WT:NPOV very recently, apparently we were each talking in the context of two different proposals-- about two very different things. I was discussing in the context of the entire elongated talk section w.r.t. the notion of replacing the just-deleted "WP:MORALIZE" section, AKA "Let the facts speak for themselves"-- that's why I started a new subsection. I now see my assertions seem to have been mistakenly taken essentially as an argument to remove all instances of the word "fact" from the policy at large. My comments there were actually directed against the notion of using the word "fact(s)" prominently as a policy section as had been under discussion for the past week or so, a discussion that apparently still lingered to some extent. As I mentioned a bit later, the existing "simple formulation" section of the policy uses the word "fact(s)" multiple times in a way that's reasonably well defined, a definition that includes cited opinions, speculations, arguments, conclusions, etc.. It's long been in the policy written in a way that fairly effectively avoids the kind of pratfall I was describing at the top of the talk section "WT:NPOV#What's a fact?". ...
The additional discussion about "Boris' proposal" seems to be running into a similar difficulty, though, w.r.t. using "fact" as a description of what article content should be limited to. I've no clue how to succinctly phrase that passage so as to constitute an improvement that can likely gain consensus. Seems to me it's already quite reasonable, perhaps as good as it will ever be. Despite the point raised by many who commented in the very recent RFC and related discussion, especially about the difficulties many newbies initially have with what the community means by "fact" in this context (particularly POV-pushers), do you think it best to just advocate leaving the summary sentence of "A simple formulation" exactly as it has been? ... Kenosis (talk) 12:49, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Explanation

You asked me to come back with an "explanation", correct? So I asked what needed to be explained and you blanked it. The point I'm making is that you shouldn't make personal attacks, such as insinuating that well-meaning editors are trolls. Some may not be as nice about it as me. Please don't continue to operate in such a hostile fashion. Thank you. --William S. Saturn (talk) 00:30, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Where on earth did I insinuate you were a troll? And let me get this straight - you flat-out refuse to explain to me what the heck you're talking about, and now you're calling me hostile? Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 00:38, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

I linked it to you. You said "rule 5," which you referred to in other posts on that particular talk page. --William S. Saturn (talk) 02:54, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Talk about assuming the worst! Rule 5 was a reminder to Stephan not to do anything that would reflect poorly on himself (see this link for further explanation). If you want to continue that condescending lecture about assuming good faith I'm all ears... just be sure to take your own advice. Short Brigade Harvester Boris 02:59, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I completely misinterpreted this. I thought you were talking about this, which you linked higher in the talk page. --William S. Saturn (talk) 03:07, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

The meaning is the same in both places. In future please be sure you know what you're talking about before you start flinging accusations of personal attacks and the like. I've looked at your history and you appear to have a habit of assuming the worst of people based on flimsy evidence. Not good. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 03:09, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Boris angry because he can no longer sound cryptic about Rule 5. Awickert (talk) 04:07, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

I prefer the real rule 5. -Atmoz (talk) 14:34, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

So do I. But cabal secrets must be closely guarded. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 14:51, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

There is no cabal, and this is not a secret message. 000393DB396E. --Stephan Schulz (talk) 14:58, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Neither is this. 66:6e:6f:72:64. Antandrus (talk) 15:04, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

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Y'all must not want me in your cabal. The secret decoder ring you sent me decodes everything as either "a prize-in-every-package" or "the more you eat, the more you want." -Atmoz (talk) 20:55, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

One is the dash, one is the dot. The Morse is to be interpreted by pronouncing the letters as in Hungarian and interpreting the resulting sound as backwards spoken Xhosa. But shhhhhh! Mum's the word! --Stephan Schulz (talk) 21:12, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

I appreciate yor support

I appreciate your support for the arbcom but I do not wish to run / be a member of the ArbCom at this time. Thank you for your support and your good wishes though. User:Smith Jones 18:35, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. I think you would be a good candidate -- arbcom needs some fresh ideas. But I will take the banner off my user page in deference to your wishes. Please let me know if you ever reconsider! Best - Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 18:48, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

thank you for your consideration. I want to build up my article creations first and focus on content before i get involved in Anything that involved. User:Smith Jones 19:18, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Hahahahahahaha. It'd be funnier if SJ came up with this one himself. Enigma 03:45, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

What do you mean? Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 03:56, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Came up with the idea himself. Enigma 17:19, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Hm. It strikes me as just a bit impolite for you ridicule a serious proposal in this way, but you're entitled to your opinion. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 17:24, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm assuming the proposal was as serious a proposal as Smith jones is a serious editor.

Anyway, there's a mistake at the top of the page. "If you came here because someone read you message on another website..." Enigma 17:40, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

I assume it is Boris-Soviet-pop-cultere-eque, e.g., "in Soviet Russia, newspaper read you". But I could be giving a typo too much credit. Awickert (talk) 18:11, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Scibaby thread

I'm sure you have good reason to think that this is a Scibaby thread, but is it also not useful for improving the article? I mean, the way it was presented was useless (i.e., "bloggers write scientific papers"), but later iterations seemed to become more useful. Awickert (talk) 15:18, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

I see your point, but responding to his threads gives him positive reinforcement. My reasoning is that if he is silently reverted without getting a reaction he will get bored and go away. By the way I strongly suspect that Scibaby/Obedium is a "project" of a certain known user, but since Scibaby has influential supporters I'm not going to say anything until I'm dead solid certain. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 17:31, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

I understand perfectly. The only hard part is how to insert reasonable info without enabling socks. But since I don't actually care enough about any of this, I will just drop it. I've been on a binge of restricting myself to article space edits, and it makes me feel much happier about the project. Awickert (talk) 17:53, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Note to Hersfold

For what it's worth, I genuinely believe that that sort of toxic sniping is part of the problem with the existing Arbitration process. The clerks have said that parties have done a poor job of seeking assistance in response to inappropriate conduct, so I'm taking them at their word, and asking them to intervene rather than biting back at GoRight's goading. While I agree with you that GoRight's attempt to ingratiate is painfully transparent and likely to be ineffective on that count, I also think that the innuendo is over the line of acceptable behaviour. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 22:41, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

GoRight

I had interpreted the discussion as being critical of the block and Hersfold assenting to said criticism and saying he couldn't lift the block at the time because he was at work and not on his admin account.

If he returns to his previous behavior, or offends in some other way, then let the block be reimposed. Daniel Case (talk) 03:10, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

You're welcome. Thanks for the reply. Daniel Case (talk) 03:43, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for voicing your opinion at my RfA. I will do my best to take the criticism to heart and improve my communication style. As for AfDs I will go slow and be sure I learn the basics first. I will work to gain your trust by dilligent work. Thanks for participating in the RfA.·Maunus·ƛ· 17:50, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know

I did go to Hersfold's page to ask him/her to look into the exchange between Abd and myself. I just cannot allow that conversation to go unchallenged. Thanks for letting me know because I missed Hersfold saying this somehow with all the noise going on. Is this case the norm of how things go at an arbcom case or is this one just an anomally? After this case, I don't see what pleasures can be had in an administrator capacity. I understand why you seem happier now that you don't wheel the mop anymore. I used to eavesdrop on your other name, it was a fun page to watch editor have a good time.  :) Thanks, --CrohnieGal 20:59, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Responding to Abd

I've come to the same conclusion already - we loose either way. Abd will bury any comment in his reply, and remaking it will just see it buried again. If we don't reply he wins, and if we do the result will be the same. My fault for being drawn into it, given that I already know how he works. On the plus side, I'm a bit happier with the direction the voting is going, I've added a bit of new evidence, and that's it. - Bilby (talk) 17:56, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Yep. Shunning is a wonderful approach that is too seldom used. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 18:00, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

The problem being that it works best on article talk pages. Not so well when a third party is involved. But given that replying won't make a difference, I figure that we might as well save ourselves the trouble. :) - Bilby (talk) 18:08, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Ooh

Ooh, pointy . But apparently correct :-( William M. Connolley (talk) 17:25, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

I wasn't trying to be pointy, just trying to bring the policy in line with accepted practice. The most accurate statement would be "Users are free to reinstated edits made by banned editors, as long as they take responsibility for the content of those edits." The policy should reflect what we actually allow and prohibit. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 17:32, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Is it clear this is accepted practice? It looks more like a somewhat odd interpretation by CHL (though I agree GR/A seem to persistently do this and are never sanctioned, so in practice you may be right). I started a discussion on the talk page William M. Connolley (talk) 18:02, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

OK, discussion continues there. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 21:50, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

No reason.

I just noticed it because Raymond's page is still watchlisted. I can understand why someone would put such a notice up, but I am puzzled by why someone would later remove it. --GoRight (talk) 02:17, 31 August 2009 (UTC)