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Safsprin Adravil

Thanks for your time and patience.. --larsinio 18:14, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Buggy signatures

I think it must be the sig parser, because my sig is all screwed up today too. Witness...D]]] 03:15, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Aqua Cure

History of this redirect is undeleted. Sjakkalle (Check!) 09:43, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

• Thanks a lot. As Radiant! might put it, it's more valuable in context. Kappa 09:49, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Boiling Frog

I forgot to sign in from my school account (the 147.226 IP address). I had marked the page for speedy deletion becuase I suspected it was nonsense and didn't realize at the time that there was such a page already in existance on Wiki. I do apologize for my haste! Take care! --Martin Osterman 13:58, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

WP:SCH

Hi Kappa, I noticed you oppose the most recent proposal for school articles? However you didn't spell out your objections. Can you be specific as to what you object to on that proposal? It seemed reasonable to everyone else including some inclusionists as no information is lost and all schools will still be represented. Plus it keeps school articles within general WP policy per both WP:STUB and WP:NOT.Gateman1997 19:39, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

• I object because although I don't think schools should be given a harder time than universities and villages, I am prepared to accept it for schools in countries like the US and the UK where we have a large number of articles that people feel are causing a problem. I am not prepared to accept it for schools in underrepresented where it will make the problem of underrepresentation worse. Kappa 21:55, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
  • I don't see how what they're suggesting will do that. What is being suggested is that school articles be held to a VERY minimum and reasonable standard for inclusion as seperate articles based on existing wikipedia policy and that ALL articles must adhere to anyway. They are simply codifying it for school articles specifically since as we both know when it comes to school articles both sides of the debate seem to ignore the Wikipolicy does apply to school articles too. Honestly I don't think asking that an article have 3 sentences of independently verifiable information is unreasonable, nor is saying that if they don't they'll be merged to a district or city article.Gateman1997 22:15, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
    • Stop misrepresenting "wikipedia policy". A university stub which says "x is a university in (city), founded in (year), and has 10000 students" will be left in peace. A stub which says "x is a village in (district), (country), population 1000 at the last census" will be left in peace. A stub which says "x is a movie director, he won a (notable award) for his film y" will be left in peace. You want to give school articles a hard time, OK I accept that, but don't pretend it's some global policy and don't expect me to consent to rules written to enforce that. Kappa 22:24, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
      • Actually what is being proposed is often applied globally already. Often times your "x is director of such and such a movie" sentence if he's not a very notable guy will be merged with a movie he directed or he'll be deleted for failing to meet WP:BIO. The same goes for villages. I've seen a fair share of those crop up on AFD as well for failing to be of sufficent size or notability. And lets not loose sight of what these guidelines will ulitmately do, cut down school AFDs to nothing while preserving ALL school information while eliminating substubs. It's a win/win/win for inclusionists, deletionists, and those fed up with the debate in general.Gateman1997 22:40, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
      • Also as for a university article we would hopefully apply this guideline to them as well as they are schools. However I've also never seen a university article that is THAT incomplete. However any examples you could provide would prove enlightening.Gateman1997 22:45, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
        • I've never seen a winner of a notable award merged, and I would unmerge if I saw it. I've never seen a village merged or deleted on AFD. It's a win for deletionists because it hides school articles from "random article", it's a lose for inclusionists because it puts school information in the wrong place with less chance of growth. Also if this was a general policy it would destroy huge amounts of work by the people trying to cut down bias in our geographic coverage. I'm terrified by the idea you would try to apply this to universities too, it's getting worse and worse. Kappa 22:48, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
          • Kappa I'm getting the feeling you think we're trying to destroy existing school articles. Correct me if I'm wrong of course. That's not our intent. The intention is to remove the small number of substubs that exist as one or two sentence blurb attempting to pass themselves off as articles and put them into a larger article where they will do more good while simulatneously avoiding said articles ending up cluttering VFD and starting all manner of harsh debate as they have been. The information they contained will be preserved and the article can be recreated at a later date once someone is willing to take the time to write the actual article. And while you think it may be "harder" for the article to eventually grow, I disagree. As it stands most substubs, even ones that go up for AFD, have been remaining substubs with no one touching them even after a year or more in many cases. Centralizing them as parts of a larger whole will actually increase the amount of articles that get developed at a later date in my opinion by making them easier to access in a central location.Gateman1997 23:03, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

User:ComCat

Hi Kappa, you may be more knowledgeable in such matters then I, but how would ComCat's RFC be taken to arbitration? His latest nominations were being made in obvious bad faith, both in light of the discussion at WP:SCH and the fact that these newest nominations are much more worthy articles then his usual targets. He's no longer acting in good faith IMHO and the overall consensus at his RFC has been steadily growing against him per some of the latest votes.Gateman1997 20:14, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

• Sorry, I don't know what the procedure is for that. Kappa 23:50, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Politics1

Hi! Do you remember the AFD for Politics1? Well, it has been nominated again.

Punkmorten 16:10, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Choose-life.org

Whoops sorry. It's been restored. I slapped a wfy tag on it. --Woohookitty 07:53, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

Hi there! (plus RfA)

Hi Kappa. I was thinking of re-nominating you for adminship. You've probably bumped into my votes on AfD and, if you've noticed that I almost always vote against you :), you can be assured this isn't a cliquish comment: you should be an admin. You know the wiki and you've contributed enormously. I realize that you had a vote a month and a half ago and I'm half expecting "thanks but no thanks," but I think it can happen if the nom is presented properly (ie., a more or less "deletionist" like myself admits that "inclusionist" Kapppa has earned his stripes and can be trusted). You don't have an e-mail set (near as I can tell) but I do. Honestly, if this makes any sense drop me a line. (Really...;) Marskell 23:07, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

Hey. Thanks for the tip

Hey. Thanks for the tip in the Terminus (band) talk page. ill definately check out wikinfo. You're a lot more easier to talk to than that Rasputin dude. I definately feel a lot of hostility from that guy. Apparently theres also a wikipedia-ish page centered around Kuwait which I am planning on placing this article in, check it out. Once again, thanks. Zer0fighta 04:53, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Duncharris

Please be aware that an RFC has been established for the purpose of resolving incivility issues between Harris and other members of Misplaced Pages. As you are one of the parties named as attempting to resolve a dispute with this person I wanted to bring this matter to your attention directly. Silensor 18:02, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Saving a schools AfD

Nashoba Regional High School was written as an attack page - an invertive hoax about a fascist school. It was then stubified, but is being constantly vandalised back to the attack page. NOw most of the stub info has been removed as POV advert - and we are left with a title and a link. If it were anything other than a School, I'd Afd it at this point, but that won't end well. Would you, or others who like working on schools, perhaps pre-emptively do something with it, and certainly watch it for inevitable vandalism? --Doc 18:46, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

• Thanks, I've hopefully upgraded it to an acceptable stub, it'll be on my watchlist. Kappa 20:01, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Geo stubs

Sorry. That's the second time I've done that. Still learning the ropes. I'll be more careful to convert them to valid stubs and tag them with the appropriate stub caregory in future. --GraemeL 14:28, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Oh, you might want to take a look at this one. Though it doesn't state where the town is. A second oppinion would be welcome. --GraemeL 14:33, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Micky Yanai

I see you have already recreated and moved the article, do you still want me to restore the old history at Micky yanai? It's not much of a history... Either way I'd recomend expanding it a little to explain why he is notable. Supposedly inventing a technique doesn't strike me as a very strong "asertion of importance or significance", so in it's current form it could very well end up speedied under the 7th article criterea again. --Sherool (talk) 17:25, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

• The history undeletion is necessary for copyright reasons, Micky Yanai is probably the best place. It's disturbing that someone might consider it to lack any assertion of importance or significance, and wish to eliminate an article which made such a claim without submitting that decision to community scrutiny. Kappa 20:19, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Ok, I restored and merged the histories. --Sherool (talk) 21:15, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Islamofascism

Howdy, Kappa.

The same folks who didn't like the books critical of Islam are trying to delete Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Islamofascism (term) which has over 500 Kilogoogles (in various forms). Perhaps you could take a look and give your input. Klonimus 00:44, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Lakes

Yes Dude, I plan to goggle at a ton of google sites on lakes found in China. I have some info to add to most of the Lakes that I have added to wikipedia. Some of the lakes are a little more obscure but I am not afraid to dig deep into print material and contact the tourism boards and what not! my dream is to have every lake in China here. haha Electronicpaule 04:28, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

• In regards to that, I hope you didn't take my offhand comment about the phone book inclusionism literally. I really was only kidding. Your work is truly phenomenal. Best, Lucky 6.9 04:44, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

requested moves

When requesting moves, please create a place of discussion on the talk page of the article you wish to move, as instructed at WP:RM. People can't vote or discuss the move unless this is done.—jiy (talk) 07:55, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Varadvinayak

Hey Kappa,

You had marked my contribution "Varadvinayak" as a copyright violation. I have rewritten the same and it is under "http://en.wikipedia.org/Varadvinayak/Temp". Can you please activate the link back? I am pretty much new to wikipedia and learning things the hard way it seems so please bear with me :)

Kedar

Page not in English

I deleted the page not just because it wasn't in English, but because it also appeared to be an advertisement for a personal website. I probably should've written that in the deletion summary as well. --Merovingian 12:40, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Completed AfD nomination

Thanks for completing the CallingID AfD nominations I made. I'll remember to sign my contributions in future - and I might even get an account. --62.31.82.2 13:50, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Please read

BrandonYusufToropov 14:03, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Afd vote

Hi there.

I am really worried that an article I wrote Planes of existence (chat site) is going to be deleted. It is stuck on 5 keeps, 4 deletes with 4 qualified deletes (which some could suggest mean they are deletes) and that is bordering on consensus. The thing is that it is important in the history of talkers, as it shows why talkers stopped being used in favour of ICQ. Its important for a lot of other things, but that is the most important element. I think a case could be made that it has relevance within the ICQ article as well.

The vote has been severely manipulated by a number of false assertions, insistence that the only qualification is that its web site (which doesn't exist as its been closed for 2 1/2 years) has an alexa rating that's high. Its web sites are archived on alexa, meaning it had a high rating (they only archive old web sites), and besides which it wasn't a web site, it was a talker, which is entirely different.

I've also got a second article Lintilla (chat site) that is similarly being rushed through. Whilst that one isn't as notable in terms of the wider community, it is notable in being the first adult chat site, the first multiple worlds talker, the first all-woman talker, the first lesbian talker, the most popular adult talker, and its spin off is currently the 3rd most popular talker going, at least according to alexa.

These things are important historically, which is all that the encyclopaedia is meant to be for. I put it to a lot of people that the popularity should not be the overall factor. I dare anyone to nominate Cat Chat (talker) for deletion, because it was the first ever talker released on the internet. It was only about for 6 months and never had more than 5 users on at once. But its notable, both for being the first of something and also of deriving the code. I dare someone to delete UNaXcess as well, which is the first ever talker (on the intranet - only for people who connected via a BBS). Again, it was only ever used by about 10 people at once, and its been many many years since it existed.

I am writing to you, I admit, because I saw you on Misplaced Pages:AFD_100_days as the number 1 inclusionist voter. I myself think that if there is any doubt that an article should be kept. I mean, short of things that are obviously illegal, I don't see why we can't keep everything. Why are we deleting anything? Server space? I think that we should just ask people to clean things up.

Anyway, if you could vote, then it'd be appreciated. And see if you can get someone else to have a look at them too. Thanks. Zordrac 01:26, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Ryan Batkie

Sorry, I saw someone had removed the Speedy Delete tag from the Ryan Batkie article and assumed it was the author (as it is in 99.9% of these cases), and put the tag back. By the time I realised my mistake an admin, Bumm13, had deleted it. I still don't think the article ever successfully asserted the notability of Batkie, but I guess my standards are a bit more harsh than some. Meh. See you around. Reyk 03:49, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

• Assertions don't have to be successful, only plausible.

Kappa 04:11, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Nessun dorma

Thanks for fixing the link - I had looked for an article but obviously not hard enough. Must have been asleep without royal permission ;-) --QEDquid 10:57, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Lol?

Actually, it was Hipocrite's position that I found indefensible, and which inspired me to write the things I did. Also, the BEEFSTEW criteria seemed excessively liberal to me. If Rambot comes along and writes a bunch of school articles, the comparison you made at User talk:Freakofnurture/Wikipedia is NOT Classmates.com might be more valid. Uh-oh... I have more messages. ~~~~ 18:47, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

school tag

Thanks for removing the one from Karnatak_University I was just thinking education related as opposed to school related. Obviously, I only meant to tag schools. Just out of interest do you think such a strategy could be used to avoid Afd noms? David D. (Talk) 01:25, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles_for_deletion/Amit_Yungman

I'm just curious. Do you think WP:MUSIC is a good guideline? Jkelly 00:17, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

• Not really, it's too strict and will eliminate many bands that users would like to be able to look up. Kappa 00:23, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
  • I thought that was your position. Thanks for clarifying, and enjoy your editing. Jkelly 00:47, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Agartala Airport

Hi, I tagged the tmage Agartala gi1.jpg as Fairuse.Basically I am a new user of Misplaced Pages and often at a loss what to say about the copyright.Could you please advise what should be th elicense of photos from other websites? User:Dwaipayanc

Isobestic point issue

Isobestic point version as of November 23 2005 has been changed into a new version saved as temporal, it has passed many days and the new version (without copyvio) has not replaced the previous one. Will it take long?HappyApple 19:23, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

• Unfortunately the copyvio page is backlogged, but I tagged it for speedy deletion, that will probably help. Kappa 19:33, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Avoid headers

Avoid creating headers at the top of articles, like you did at The Gift (song). -- user:zanimum

Crispy Pancakes

Seems un-encyclopedic, borderline advert. It's a brand name, not an actual type of food. Thoughts? | Klaw Talk 00:46, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

• It's a well-known food product which wikipedia users should be able to look up. It adequately describes the topic and there is no promotional content. 00:48, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
  • I don't believe this is a well-known food product at all; can you source that claim? Regardless, it turns out that there is a dish called "crispy pancakes" popular in Thailand, so I'm going to create a dab page. | Klaw Talk 00:55, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Judi Bowker - I'm impressed...

Just wanted to say I'm impressed that you created a complete, well-sourced and categorized stub in only one edit... and with no typos! (It's a feat I have yet to accomplish.) -- SCZenz 05:42, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

• LOL thanks, I was just lucky that time... Kappa 05:47, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

You should be an admin.

Kappa, you deserve to be an admin, and this project would be much better for it. I intend to nominate you and fight vociferously for your promotion, whenever you are ready - be it tomorrow, a week, a month, or a year from now. You just say the word. BDAbramson T 06:19, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

I agree with BDAbramson. It's a crime that you are not a admin as you are the best non-admin in my opinion. Please accept BDAbramson nomination and I would co-nom and fight for your promotion as well. Thanks --Jaranda 01:15, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

I third it. -- DS1953 01:57, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

I fourth it. You do a lot of good to this project, and regardless of policy interpretations, no one can deny that. Titoxd 22:25, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

• Kappa, in case you change your mind, Misplaced Pages:Requests for adminship/Kappa 3 is waiting for you. I noted you as having 20,000 edits, by the way, because I anticipate that you'll reach that threshold before you come to a decision on another RfA. BDAbramson T 23:38, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Mercy buckets for the Exercise machine create

The categories were a nice touch. --24.221.8.253 04:38, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

• You're welcome. Kappa 04:39, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Thomasine Church

You voted delete. See Saint Thomas Christians. Clinkophonist 21:23, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

• Thomasine Church wasn't about Saint Thomas Christians in general, it appeared to be about a particular group who called themselves Thomasine Church, and the information in it was unverifiable. Kappa 22:04, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

As your request was a straightforward history undeletion request, and those don't even need to go through DRV, I've undeleted the deleted versions myself. The process-bound nature of DRV is such that they'll probably attempt to overstep their bounds again and order its deletion, so when you check they may be deleted again. Feel free to make a personal request to me and I'll be happy to undelete again. This has absolutely nothing to do with DRV and they cannot prevent this kind of undeletion. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 10:24, 13 December 2005 (UTC)