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September 2009

Nintendo task force membership update

It's that time again to update membership status with the Nintendo task force, which we try to do every 3-4 months to keep our membership up-to-date. All participants have been placed on an "Inactive participants" list. To confirm that you're still a member of the Nintendo task force, simply go to Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Video games/Nintendo#Members and move your name from the "Inactive participants" list to the bottom of the "Active participants" list. If you are no longer an active member in the task force, you may simply remove your name altogether. After 1 month, on October 1, all entries under the "Inactive participants" list will be removed. Hopefully you can stay with us and continue to work on Nintendo-related articles. Regards, MuZemike 18:01, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Hopefully it will be possible to clear up these issues in a month so that I can get back to helping with various video game stuffs. Tyciol (talk) 15:25, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Köpcke//Koepcke

There seem to be at least 2 alternative spellings for this family name. Various people seem to have it. I am not sure which would be proper to go with (maybe the 'e' since that o is hard to write) but it would probably make a valuable disambiguation page. I've been looking at various people with articles using the search function and would like to list them on such a page to help people who hear the name and may be looking for information about someone with that name but may have difficulty navigating the search pages for it. The reason for this is many articles mention the name, but on articles not about people with the name, such as actresses who have portrayed Juliane in movies, for example. Tyciol (talk) 15:36, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

• Should be a dab page at Koepcke (per WP:UCN) with a redirect from Köpcke. This one is an actively useful suggestion as there are a number of hits for this name - I'll create it later today. Black Kite 15:57, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Ah okay, maybe I am on to the proper way to do things then :) Tyciol (talk) 22:59, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Oh yeah and do you know if there are resources for searching which of my article creations have been deleted? I lack the mastery of the system to do that, but instead of new frontiers I feel obligated to go back and fix mistakes. Like for example you deleted Go Zappa as an implausible redirect, I probably redirected that company name to one of the pages that exist for one of the manga they have published. That shouldn't be a red link because it should have an article about this company, so it would be good to upgrade the redirect into an article, but now I guess the article could be created from scratch. A 'what links here' could help find the various things published by it I suppose. Upon looking it up, it was a disambig for Gō Zappa who authored the Please Teacher/Twins series in addition to Chocotto Sister & Dengeki Bunko. This seems notable enough to create an article about the author, I just am generally apprehensive of starting new articles for fear of their deletion so start off with redirects to established articles about their products, this way people who want to delete something can attack a more established article instead of picking on the author of it. I start with deferring "perhaps this person is just notable for this work of fiction which was considered notable enough to get an article". Tyciol (talk) 20:32, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

 Done I have unblocked you. I would recommend looking for possibly notable redlinks that could be worked into decent articles, or useful dab pages (like Koepcke). For pure redirects, please run them past me on my talkpage first. Black Kite 20:36, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Cool! I'll come back and a bit since I know it usually delays a bit before that working, I think I will start with trying to make a Zappa article, maybe Ryulong can help since he was adament about encouraging creating an article instead of redirecting to content. I do agree with him in the case where they have more than one notable work and I should search for that instead of assuming by default they only have one notable work as I have been in the past. I guess one gets lazy after having articles deleted, as far as I'm concerned if an author has multiple works notable enough to have surviving wikipedia articles about them then that's justification for the author to also have a page, is that wrong? Tyciol (talk) 20:39, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Congratulations on your unblock. Welcome back to editing. As with Black Kite, I recommend working on articles or identifying dabs. Creating redirects as the first step to articles isn't really the way to go I think. Feel free to run any suggestion past me - as you know, I'm horribly negative and will probably tell you not to do it, but I'm not always right, and discussion helps to clarify things on all sides. Elen of the Roads (talk) 21:49, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Redirects

Koihime -> Koihime Muso = OK. Chocosis -> Chocotto Sister = OK. Don't create the "Chokosis" one though, that seems like a very unlikely search term. Black Kite 23:02, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

• The Go Zappa article is fine, I would include it on the Zappa dab page. Since Go Zappa is now a reasonable redirect, I have re-instated it. Black Kite 23:13, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Unit Zappa is like Elton Hercules - it's too unlikely a search term (sorry, I was posting something else on BK's talk page and couldn't help noticing) --Elen of the Roads (talk) 00:13, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

• Yes, agreed. Don't go anywhere near middle name + surname redirects unless there's a really good reason for it. Especially in this case - no-one's ever going to search for "Unit" without the "Moon" bit. Black Kite 00:15, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Why are you so set on making these weird redirects anyway? (not sure if you're watching my talk page) It's not a matter of changing the policy. It's a matter of plausibility - you may not create implausible redirects, and in the English Misplaced Pages, the implausibility for names is based on the way we use names. It's not written down anywhere because its based on social customs, I suppose. --Elen of the Roads (talk) 01:03, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Gee this is cool. I guess I should respond on BK's page, just to close the loop :). Anyway, the problem with creating a redirect Fate/ is that it's implausible again. In English, if you have that construction of name series/book, you wouldn't type the / in when searching for the name of the series. For instance, I wouldn't search for "Black Dagger Brotherhood/". It makes no sense, so there's no point in a redirect. An entry on a dab page perhaps. --Elen of the Roads (talk) 01:14, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Oh, and please don't refactor comments as you did to me above. You'll do it to the wrong person and they'll get mad, and you'll find yourself blocked again. Elen of the Roads (talk) 01:28, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Re: Ermintrude

Thanks for the clarification. Still, the only reason I questioned the speedy deletion was because the redirects weren't recently created. I have no doubt that they should be deleted as unlikely search terms. Yes, Saturday means "day of Saturn", but it's pretty far-fetched to think that readers are going to search for "day of Saturn" when they want to find information on Saturday. Regards, Jafeluv (talk) 05:34, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Re: Redirects

I'll tell you why. Adrena is an uncommon first name, nobody is going to search for just that first name in order to find a list of minor characters in a television show. Higurei was one of many ridiculous neologism portmanteaus that you created that nobody in their right mind would ever search for. Now I'd appreciate it if you didn't critique every deletion, sorting through that list was one of the most boring things I've ever had to do here and would rather not have to keep explaining myself. —Xezbeth (talk) 06:49, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Just to add though, pretty much all of the redirects I deleted were one of three things: A first name or last name going to an implausible article, a portmanteau that made no sense, or a perfectly valid redlink being redirected to an article that doesn't necessarily have anything to do with it. —Xezbeth (talk) 06:54, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Comments

I do not want to read essays by you. If you want to talk to me on my talk page do so in four sentence blocks.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 07:03, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Better, but I don't need the original content.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 07:30, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Almost game over

So I come back today, and you've created redirects without running them past me (Chokotto), added non-notable things to dab pages (Run-up) and pestered people to restore non-notable redirects. Let's me clear about this, if any of those things happen again, I'll restore the block, and there won't be another chance. Black Kite 17:52, 7 September 2009 (UTC)