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Hi, I have been in Natucket for about a week, without secure email/Internet access, so I am using my less secure Sock account. I'll be back next week at work. Bearian'sBooties (talk) 15:30, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm back. Bearian (talk) 19:28, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Heads Up

Tarc has left a comment for you at User talk:Jimbo Wales. I just thought I should let you know. And, just so you know, I am not supporting any argument by any party in this matter, but I have been watching this event very closely and will continue to be watching. I really do hope that things can mould back into place for you.--_{Sky Attacker} 20:37, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. I've brought my concerns about the conduct of certain editors to the attention of the appropriate parties. I will always do my best to speak up for those who are harassed, stalked and intimidated. Our core policies and the integrity of Misplaced Pages are real concerns given this site's influence and the pattern of abusive behavior I've witnessed. The majority generally rules on Misplaced Pages, and we will have to decide whether abusive tactics are allowed and whether we allow mob rule, abusive harassment and intimidation against those who don't hold majority viewpoints. I've made my opinion clear and will continue to do so for as long as I am able. ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:32, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Even more unsolicited advice

Hey CoM!

Great to see you in the thick of it, fighting for what you believe is right. At one time I was advocating passionately that the Atropa belladonna article should contain no mention of homeopathy. You are arguing that the Barack Obama article should contain mention of birther conspiracy theories.

One thing I can say is this: if phrased the right way there certainly can be room on the Obama page to include birther conspiracy theories. In particular, the idea of Barack Obama as a cultural phenomenon is one which has been studied extensively in reliable sources including political journals and social commentary. The Birthers obviously represent the views of a vocal and crazed extremist minority in the United States that is scared shitless about "the other" coming in and ruling over them, but there are also historically oppressed people who view Barack Obama as a culmination of years of struggle. These are certainly different sides of the same coin (the United State's relationship with its current president) and while in 1950s and 60s the ideas of segregationist-USA weren't considered crazed and extremist, they simply are today. The sad fact of racial relations and political demagoguery in this country means that the same fights get played out again and again -- just on different battle fields. The battlefields of the intolerant racists are now confined to talk radio, fox news, and self-published webpages, and, as such, are marginalized blather. All we can say is that Barack Obama as a cultural phenomenon has been a galvanizing and motivating force within the African American community as well as the core Democratic Party base, but also within the isolationist, nativist, and racist communities.

But realize that it may take months if not years for the full import of this to work itself out. Why we try and insist on writing encyclopedia articles about current events, I don't know. It is impossible to get perspective on what's going on while it's going on. Sometimes I look at news stories from a year ago and then find the Misplaced Pages articles abandoned and looking like a stale crime scene. Cleaning up those articles can be a real fun thing to do and won't get you in any trouble. My suggestion is let it sit for a bit. The article will still be here in six months, a year, two years, a decade. After a bit of perspective and after people's passions have cooled, it may be a lot easier to see the forest for the trees, as it were.

Now if only I could figure out what to do about atropa belladonna.

Take care, you're a real pal,

ScienceApologist (talk) 00:09, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Hey Sci. Thanks for the note. It's good to have you back!

I'm not involved in editing or advocating on the conspiracy theories you've mentioned. I'm not sure where you got that impression (although I see now it was raised on JW's talk page). There has also been a long term smear campaign against me to make me out to be some sort of radical.

I haven't made a single edit to that article or a single edit related to that issue. I'm truly a moderate and I think a reasonable balance of mainstream opinions is the way to go, with fringier content given appropriate weight and context as fringier stuff.

I'm not allowed to discuss that article. Such is the extent of the censoship campaign against me. Go figure. There is no crazy content I've ever tried to add to any article. It's just that I don't tolerate bullies and censors, and as a result the worst of the POV pushers are after me. I understand it may be hard for outsiders to understand or to believe that I'm not making it all up or paranoid, and that's okay. But there's nothing okay about harassment intimidation and stalking. Cheers buddy. Thanks again for your note. ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:16, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

You're just not allowed to discuss it at the article pages. You can discuss it here, of course. I'm just trying to show a light at the end of the tunnel, which, believe me, is difficult to see. ScienceApologist (talk) 05:49, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure you are correct about what I can and cannot discuss. You're welcome to ask Arbcom for a clarification. My experiences with those individuals shows that they have little competence, fairness or judgment and generally can't be bothered to investigate issues properly. I hope other editors have better experiences than I have, it may well be because I am not devoted to diff digging and I don't find it's a constructive use of my time here. I'm working on getting a photo of a person with tape over mouth so I can depict my experience editing here. ChildofMidnight (talk) 06:28, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Report at WP:AE

You are the subject of a report at WP:AE, you may wish to comment. . Spartaz 16:03, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Left Censored Image text

Do you mean "hateful". Didn't just want to change your User Page! leaky_caldron (talk) 19:08, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Oops. Yes indeed.

It's been made clear to me that those images and the related captions are offensive to some, so I am seeking a better analogy and illustration. I find those atrocities distasteful also, which is why I have strong convictions about the offensiveness of gangs, militias, and paramilitary groups engaging in censorship, bullying and intimidation. I feel very strongly that we shouldn't allow those types of behaviors and actions here as they are very damaging to fundamental and core values of building and maintaining a free, fair, and collaborative encyclopedia. It's very important that we speak up and stop them whenever and wherever they occur.

Feel free to copy-edit anything of mine here or elsewhere. I am a big believer in collegial collaboration as being a core value and a necessity for a productive wiki. The idea that we should leave one another's mistakes in place so as not to cause offense strikes me as being particularly ridiculous. It seems strange that many consider the recording of an edit fixing something in a page history as more embarassing than having one's stupidity and ignorance on display for all to see. :)

Maybe that's a little harsh, but you get the idea. I don't think every minor typo needs to be corrected, but fixing obvious grammar errors and assisting those of us with poor copy-editing skills can aid in communication and deter the repetition of common mistakes. I believe corrections of that sort should be rewarded rather than discouraged, but as on many issues, it appears I am in the minority. Having to notify one another when a copy-edit is needed and having to ask permission to fix something in good faith doesn't make much sense to me.

Thanks for stopping by and for the note. Enjoy your editing and have a great week. ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:02, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Hey...de-lurking to chime in re: minor edits...for me, when someone makes a corrective edit to someone's comments or talk page it reminds me of someone's mother coming in and tidying up her adult son's room without permission: well-intended but a little bit irritating. Articles are common space, so keeping things tidy can and should be done by everyone without asking for permission, but talk pages and talk-page comments are a little bit more personal and feel less "common" or "public" to me. But I recognise that it's completely a personal opinion, and that objectively there's nothing to tell me that I "own" a talk page or a comment I've made.

Also, glad to see you're backing off on the Nazi stuff...I'm too new to[REDACTED] to comment on what your experiences have been, but the unfortunate effect of mentioning Nazis is that it attracts a certain amount of (justified and un-justified) shrillness. It's one of those topics that causes some people to turn off their brains (or at least the rational part of it) and impedes discussion and the ability to work together as a community. I'm pretty sure that your intention is to highlight an area of the project that needs improvement and may be on a very dangerous path, and not to incite a rabid, irrationally hateful mob into attacking you.Quietmarc (talk) 22:50, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

All points well taken. Thank you very much for your comments.

I had actually looked for an image of a person with tape over their mouth and checked the censorship article for appropriate images, but didn't find any.

There are other historical analogies I could have used and current examples of censorship in China and North Korea (for example), but the combination of intimidation, bullying, and stalking that I was trying to get across seemed most consistent with the storm troopers of the Nazi era. I wanted an offensive analogy to get across very clearly how wrong, digusting and inappropriate that type of behavior is, but I understand the criticisms. Many people feel that the comparison is too much of a stretch and it may have seemed an absurd diminishment of the horrors that occured at that time and an exageration of what I and others have experienced here, but there is value in remembering those horrors and making sure we hold ourselves to high standards of integrity and that we stand up for those in weak and vulnerable positions.

I think history has the power to teach us and to be learned from so we don't repeat the mistakes we've made in the past. As I spend quite a bit of time here this is one area where I have some influence and control, and I don't like to see abusive behaviors or anyone being ganged up on and harassed.

As far as copy-editing comments, many editors (including some I hold in high regard) share your viewpoint. Mistakes in text sometimes cause me to stumble, and I think it would be better to jsut fix them so other don't have the same trouble and so mistakes aren't multiplied through repitition and imitation, but I hear what you're saying and I know it's a VERY sore spot with some editors (I found that out the hard way). So I try avoid it except among collegial friends and as something of an inside joke over "refactoring", which is actually allowed per policy but is clearly a sort of third rail on Misplaced Pages unless you're a bigshot. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:17, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Dirac and the h-bar

${\displaystyle \Delta x\,\Delta p\geq {\frac {\hbar }{2}}}$

To your comment, sometimes it is interesting to recover articles on topics I know absolutely nothing about, like Matrioshka brain, Beverage Digest or Khayal Muhammad. Take a break from the wars and try it. But articles like Introduction to Dirac's constant fill me with uncertainty. The well-intentioned attempt to clarify the subject you saw did not really help me all that much. Sometimes I think I get it, but I can never remember when I wake up. Aymatth2 (talk) 20:08, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

A "hypothetical megastructure"? That seems defacto notable to me, at least as much as the 46th finisher in badmittion at the 1994 Olympics. Speaking of which, someone is trying to delete the Jedi Temple article and Jedi Academy (which I believe is where User:GTBacchus went to school). The temple is reported to be 1 km high, so it seems very impressive to me as well as being something of an engineering marvel! But I suppose buildings are getting taller all the time, and one person's notable megachurch is another person's listcruft. ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:26, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

1km high is nothing. The Matrioshka brain computer will be about 1,600,000,000 km across. The answer, of course, is 42 so I'm not quite sure why they are planning to build it. Aymatth2 (talk) 20:38, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

I was listening to Quirks & Quarks this weekend and they were talking about building a space elevator 20 km high, to be used as a platform for launching rockets (resulting in a 30% reduction in lift off cost). Also it would function as a cheaper "space tourism" destination.--kelapstick (talk) 21:25, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Space tourism is really taking off. ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:26, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

With an informative program like Quirks & Quarks it's hard to believe the Canadian space program isn't further along. I suppose it beats sending up outdated death traps designed to deliver payloads by a delivery system that is totally impractical, inefficient, and no longer used much for anything worthwhile. Leave it to us to come up with an SUV model for space travel and exploration. There are plenty of cup holders for the Tang. God bless America! ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:13, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Userfied articles you asked for

• User:ChildofMidnight/Empire Square Tower
• User:ChildofMidnight/Schwa (restaurant)

You didn't ask me to userfy Kosvinsky but i can do that too if you like. Spartaz 22:20, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks very much Spartaz. Much appreciated. ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:06, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Summit candy bar

Yo, Child! Nice work finding those cites. I fixed them up by reformatting into wiki book cite format. I also think a merge into Mars might be better than having a stub standalone for this discontinued product. Shall I add a merge tag? Geoff 15:23, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

It's a good idea (and my instinct was to agree), but looking at the Mars article I actually don't think it will work. I found another article on the bar and while news archives from that time period are a bit hard to come by, I think there's enough to leave it a stub. I know it's not a great article, but it documents a bar produced by one of the world's largest candy companies and based on the cites in the article and the other ones on google news that I can't view without paying, I think it's notable enough to live and let live. I think it's a significant and notable subject in the history of candy and candy bars and Mars product introductions and development, like the Edsel and K Car. Remarkable for being unremarkable. :) If there were an article on Mars candies or their bars that would certainly work. But there's no such article. ChildofMidnight (talk) 16:36, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Fair enough. I'll leave it be. Geoff 17:53, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

For some reason your gracious magnanimity reminds me of the tradition where our presidents give a break to a turkey at Thanksgiving. :) Candy lovers everywhere are rejoicing! ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:56, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

You're welcome

For the thanks you gave me 2 days ago. Yeah, stumbled into categorizing uncategorized articles(which is a category, of sorts. Ah, irony is ironical sometimes! ;) ) by accident and now it's my pleasure to edit such. So, I'm at your service, just in case you have other articles you can't put in a category. :) --Alvin Seville (talk) 23:02, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

good changes at WP:CIVILITY

Thanks. I feel embarrassed I missed those fluffy bits! Tony (talk) 04:00, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

I'm an EXPERT on civility. :) Thanks for your kind note. ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:10, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Actually, an outside set of eyes looking at something fresh is very useful. That's one of the reasons why Misplaced Pages works so well. It can be very hard to copy-edit and do an effective rewrite of one's own material. ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:43, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Indeed. Perhaps google "strategic distance" ... it will bounce back to something interesting on our own WP. I'm now living proof of it! Tony (talk) 09:48, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Delete as neologism. :) Cool. I checked it out a bit and will have more of a poke around when I get a chance. Are you the one that was working on admin recall button? What happened? I guess it's like developing SDI, hitting a missile with a bullet is no easy feat. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:10, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Response

Thanks for the comment. And, don't worry. You haven't stressed me at all. It was just the fact that a good editor like you, who contributes massively to the project, has been abused so much on here. I don't know how you manage and for the sake of you and Misplaced Pages, I was saddened...--_{Sky Attacker} 04:50, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

..and as far as Jafeluv's RfA, I'll wait to see how they respond to my question. I'm sure I'll support though.--_{Sky Attacker} 04:55, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Game pie

On September 2, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Game pie, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

NW (Talk) 05:15, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! Good job Aymatth2. You helped too. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:07, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Something I've learned from mathematics

This comes up fairly often, in teaching or even just discussing mathematical ideas: Once someone doesn't see a fact as "obvious"... it's not obvious. We avoid words such as "clearly" when we're writing proofs conscientiously. It's about putting yourself in the other person's shoes, which is a good habit, even (especially?) in a setting such as AFD.

Cheers, -GTBacchus 09:05, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

That perspective makes a lot of sense coming from a Jedi master inhabiting Dagobah. As it's sunny and warm here in my world (except for the occasional marine layer), there is much greater visibility and it's possible to see things quite clearly without having to sense and feel my way through swamp and thick fog. ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:02, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

I don't understand what you're doing. Do you really believe that making these arguments in AfD is going to work? If not, why do it? I mean, are you following in Badagnani's footsteps? Kidding aside, "Jedi master" bullshit aside (and frankly - you can shove that crap back up your ass), what's up? Do you think that disregarding the opinions and understandings of others is going to produce something good? Seriously? Can you be serious?

Are you really claiming that putting yourself in anothers' shoes and understanding where they're coming from is somehow for chumps? Really?

Do you know what your supposed "clarity" is worth, if you're unable to share it with others? It's worth precisely one bucket of warm shit. You didn't even try to convince anyone; you just said they're clearly wrong. That is an effective strategy 0 times out of 10. If you're not interested in being effective, then I guess those are real cool odds.

I note that you failed to save either Jedi building article. Why didn't you try something that would work? Do you find it more satisfying to lose than to win? I mean, I know there's a real kind of satisfaction in turning one's cause into a lost one - you get that nice, warm, martyrish, loser feeling (This is NOT a joke or sarcastic. Don Quixote felt really cool, most of the time) - but is that really what you're after? Would you really rather knock your head repeatedly against a wall than open the door and walk through? If so, I think you should stop editing here.

I think you're basically a good guy (or gal, I dunno), and I'd much rather see you work effectively than waste your time. It's up to you, though. If you enjoy wasting your time... then please stop bothering me with notes about AfDs where you aren't willing to walk the walk. Whenever you decide to get serious, I'm your friend. Until then... nah. -GTBacchus 11:14, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

I'm here to build an encyclopedia not to go round and round in discussion. I won't use any more Star Wars metaphors with you, I didn't realize you didn't care for them. I understand you disagree with me on those AfDs. It was abundantly clear that there was no way to convince you, so there was no point in wasting time engaging in frivolous argument for the sake of argument. I find your approach to AfDs just as useful and helpful as your dispute resolution techniques. I have yet to see them work or improve an article in any way. I worked on improving the articles under discussion and on finding sources, you worked on arguing. Your hostility is a bit sad since I've always tried to be friendly even though I don't care for your methods of encyclopedia building. Trying to push for endless discussion when there is no chance an opinion will change is disruptive and unhelpful. I prefer mediation to resolve differences, find common ground, and to work out compromises so editing work can move forward. Those articles were closed as merge, which isn't teh best outcome, but is okay with me. I'm not interested in discussing this further. Take care. ChildofMidnight (talk) 14:39, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

I wish you'd said "I find your approach to AfDs just as useful and helpful as your dispute resolution techniques. I have yet to see them work or improve an article in any way." a long time ago. I'd rather know when someone disagrees with me than have them engage in some kind of charade of respect. I don't consider that to be remotely "friendly". Reciprocally, your strategies are precisely what I've seen lead to many an ArbCom case and many an indef block. If that's your poison, cool.

If you think I'm trying to push for endless discussion, then you don't understand a word I've ever said. I see we're done, so as you said, take care. I wish you good luck. -GTBacchus 15:25, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure I've let you know that I didn't agree with your methods in the past, but I've certainly tried to keep it light and to avoid harping on the disagreement. I can disagree with people and still have respect for them. My "poison" is focused on building an encyclopedia by adding content and improving articles. That's why I hold Badaghnani in such high regard. His commitement and contributions are awesome. Sometimes he's a bit prickly and difficult to work with, but once it's clear where he's coming from, it's really not hard to understand or to accomodate him, and he's extraordinarily generous and kind. Good luck to you as well. ChildofMidnight (talk) 15:34, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Re:Architecture photos

Interesting- the article is not quite what I expected it to be, and is still rather short. It doesn't really focus on anything in particular, but I think an image of Coruscant in the lead would probably be a good thing. It could probably be replaced by something else as the article develops (or perhaps moved to section is Coruscant is discussed in more detail later) but, for now, I think it would be a positive addition if given an informative caption. With articles like this, it is important to find a conservative balance between giving key examples to illustrate the important issues in the text, and throwing in images of everything mentioned. J Milburn (talk) 09:48, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

The fair use rationale goes in the summary section- I recommend using this template to ensure you include all the necessary information. Focus on the "purpose" section- explain exactly what it is illustrating and why that needs to be illustrated. Also explain why the image cannot be replaced by words alone. As for your album cover question, as a rule of thumb, album covers should only be used in the article on the album. However, if the cover itself is significant and worthy of discussion, it can be included elsewhere. A solid example of this would be the one here (NSFW). As such, as the architecture is significant and worthy of discussion, there is potentially a valid use elsewhere. In fact, the architecture article is probably a better use than the main article, as the main article does not discuss the buildings/skyline in any meaningful way, and lacks a rationale. J Milburn (talk) 17:59, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Jeeesh Milburn. You and your racy links. There goes my innocence! Thanks very much for the information. I'll see what I can work out when I have some time. Very helpful. Thanks again. ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:58, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Maria Mitchell Association

I did as you suggested, and created re-directs for the two major staff persons to the respective articles. I've also nominated this article for DYK. Bearian (talk) 22:26, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Can you do me a huge favor, and download it? I am a newbie when it comes to such things. Bearian (talk) 22:39, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Indeed

Yes, very good. It's useful having you around as a check and balance, CoM, but sometimes you just have to call it as you see it :) Black Kite 23:15, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Absolutely. I got a laugh out of it anyway.

Leaving a follow on edit at least eliminated it from watchlists where it is no longer the last edit on that page.

I've been told a simple "thanks" or "thank you for your comment I will take it under advisement" works. But I don't believe it. ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:19, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Wish even to lend a cat's hand

That is a Korean proverb meaning that someone desperately needs more people's hand but could not find one. I'm not sure whether you're not interested in articles of a foreign city (yes South Korean one), but I'm nudging your in hope that you would help me. Gyeongju, one of popular tourist cities in South Korea and the capital of an ancient kingdom is one of a few FA of Korean Project, but has faced in danger of delisting, so I've been working on expanding the article for about 2 months. So the closing time is near close (I hope not though), but as reviewers have pointed out the prose of the article is not good in the current status, and my grammatical errors are not fixed since I'm the only one working on the article, especially Gyeongju#Cultural properties, Gyeongju#Economy and Gyeongju#Healthcare and utilities. I've been struggling to find copy-editors although two people copy-edited a portion. So could you consider my asking for the favor? Thanks. (this is duplicated on some of users, but well many copyeditors would be helpful to improve the article in my wishful thinking)--Caspian blue 23:31, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

What's in it for me?  :) I may not get a chance to even have a look until tomorrow, so I hope there's no rush. ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:47, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

remaining concerns at Solomon biography

Hi ChildofMidnight, I'd like to discuss the situation at the Solomon biography because I don't really see the underlying problem as anywhere near resolved. Supposing we finally get a fair lead line in that in some wording acknowledges Solomon's distinguished career working on environmental issues, what happens next? I already proposed a number of other issues I'd like to work on here and as you can see, Kim D. Petersen seems to be ready to oppose every little change that any known global warming skeptic might propose. Your comments in the talk suggest you read this and broadly agreed. So how would you suggest that we handle this situation? Alex Harvey (talk) 08:08, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

The proposal for the lead notes his work on environmental issues and seems to be broadly supported. I think it gives a clear and concise descriptiona without using the word environmentalist which several editors have objected to on the grounds that they dispute it or think it is misleading. I would like to move forward with the compromise and some other non-controversial improvements and to take it from there. I think it's a fair lead line that acknowledges his work and accurately describes the most notable aspects of his career, whiel avoiding the semantic dispute. It is probably possible to note his being described as an environmentalist in some manner later in the article, but that is another step, and I think we should take it one step at a time.

I don't think total agreement on every issue is possible on the talk page at this point, but I think moving forward and seeing what improvements we can agree on making would be helpful at this point. It's protected until Sept. 10 now, which is very unproductive at this point, even disruptive. Once it's unprotected I certainly hope that people will refrain from edit warring or making changes that don't have consensus support. I'm optimistic on that front. Are you objecting specifically to the compromise wording? I reread the discussion page, and while I understand your arguments for the environmentalist terminology, you seem to be okay with the proposal.ChildofMidnight (talk) 14:47, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

I don't particularly object to the compromise wording although it still remains the fact that there is far more support for "environmentalist." Even Atmoz has supported it. My concern was that moving forwards that we would encounter the same obstructions for every minor change we propose. If it is your intention to assist on this article moving forwards, then I would be less worried however. Thanks!

By the way, did you see what happened at the same time at the Richard Lindzen page? It was protected by Raul as well, after only 2 edits in 2 days. He then accused me of being this scibaby. I've tried to talk to him and he's clearly not interested in responding. I think that's serious and that he should withdraw this accusation... Not sure how to handle that either. Alex Harvey (talk) 07:27, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Hi there!

Thanks for saving Summit Candy Bar.

Associated Press has this article on Deep-fried butter in case you want to read it and/or start your own[REDACTED] article on it.

Grundle2600 (talk) 22:09, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Hi Grundle. Texas fair? Interesting. Thanks for the link. I think deep fried butter can be mentioned in the deep frying article. That's a little too racy for me, but the deep fried pecan pie sounds interesting. :) Have a great weekend. ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:56, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Aww, that's too bad. I had just compiled a nice list of references and was heading here to see if you might be interested. This is the work of Abel Gonzalez Jr., the genius behind Fried Coke, Texas Fried Cookie Dough, and the Fried Peanut Butter, Jelly and Banana Sandwich. Given the intense media interest (the Google News hits count was huge!) it's a shame that Misplaced Pages doesn't have an article on this culinary miracle. It could rival chicken fried bacon for DYK hit count. - Dravecky (talk) 11:21, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Bacon!!!!!

Yummy bacon!!!!! Grundle2600 (talk) 23:24, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

• Bacon diarrhea...not so yummy... Drmies (talk) 00:35, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Close!

I saw the last couple of minutes of that game--very, very close. I thought he should have ran for it. Anyway, it was an exciting close, and that's all I've seen today: I even missed the field goal just now! But the gumbo is finished and soon I can sit down. Roll Tide! Drmies (talk) 00:33, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Are you amused by funny vandalism?

This one in my opinion is worth seeing.--_{Sky Attacker} 10:36, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Strange. How about this one ? ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:43, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

An offer

Hi, CoM. I've just posted a thread at WT:AFD#"Having to" defend articles against deletion, but I'd also like to inform you specifically, because you helped clarify this issue in my mind. If there is ever an article that you think shouldn't be deleted, and you find it nominated at AFD, I don't want you to think that you need to take any time away from working on the article in order to argue in that venue.

In particular, here is my offer: If any article is deleted at AFD, when you think it can be improved to adequate standards, I will be more than happy to recover any deleted content to your user-space, where you can work on it at your leisure. It's virtually impossible to convince someone else to improve an article that they're not motivated to improve, so it strikes me that this may be more useful than making arguments in AFD.

Far from suggesting that you participate in endless discussion, which you seem to think is my "AFD strategy", I think you can freely ignore stupid AFD discussion, and not let it interfere with your article work. I would have you discuss less not more, in pointless deletion debates. It's a shame you somehow took my message to be the opposite of that. I guess I'm not a very clear communicator.

I actually agree with what you recently told me, that you've never seen my strategies improve an article. You weren't around when I was working on Abortion, or on Iraq War, for example. I haven't worked directly on content (except in trivial, gnomish ways) for a long time, partly due to time constraints, and partly due to lack of motivation. Knowing this, I consider myself to work entirely in the service of writers such as yourself. Therefore, if you ever need admin assistance, in this regard or in some other, I hope you won't hesitate to tug on my sleeve. -GTBacchus 11:13, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Happy Labor Day!

Dear colleague, I just want to wish you a happy, hopefully, extended holiday weekend and nice end to summer! Your friend, --A Nobody 02:57, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Just leaving my 'flattering' comments here. 'insert appreciation text here' :) Have a nice day! --eric v. dilettante (mailbox) 05:24, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Stop the gross WP:BLP violation

If you keep inventing words unsupported by the source, and clearly derogatory, in Barney Frank you have a very short path to a long-term block. Don't do this! Cut out the crap that you know perfectly well is complete bad faith. LotLE×talk 22:12, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Please also understand that the WP:BLP policy applies to the entire article, not just those sentences that refer to Barney Frank directly. Also, your argument that it is 'well sourced' does not trump BLP policies. MichaelLNorth (talk) 22:15, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

I added (in addition to other bits) that: "Frank's father was involved with the Mafia, according to Frank." The source says: "According to Frank, his father was involved with the Mafia. “Funzi Tieri, a big-time gangster with the Genovese family, came to my brother David’s bar mitzvah, when I was twenty-three,” he said. Sam Frank died at the age of fifty-three, while Barney was an undergraduate at Harvard, and Barney took a year off to help resolve the family’s tangled financial affairs. “The Mafia guys were very helpful to me at the time,” he said." So you guys should cut out the bullshit and false accusations because that's a blockable offense. I don't know if you mean well and are just confused or can't be bothered to check the source, or you're trying to censor appropriate content and push a point of view, but there's nothing wrong with that content. Feel free to apologize. ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:59, 8 September 2009 (UTC)