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Advice to Mattisse

Writing as a person, rather than an administrator or an arbitrator. I strongly urge that Mattisse step away from the computer and refrain from writing anything on this page for at least several days. Newyorkbrad (talk) 01:47, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Seconded, but on the condition that Mattisse does indeed return after a while. –Juliancolton |  02:00, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Good advice. --Malleus Fatuorum 02:25, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Mattisse, please return after a rest period. You are very helpful in general, not just in writing as everyone seems to be purporting. Best, ceranthor 12:55, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Mattisse? RETIRED?!?!? SOCKPUPPETRY????!!!???!!!??? Can you please come back when this boils over you're a great contributor and helped me with Loihi...we've lost too many great editors already... ResMar 13:30, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

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You commented at the prior FAC and many issues have been resolved. Please comment at Misplaced Pages:Featured article candidates/Crown Fountain/archive4‎.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 05:58, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

I see you started reading this one. Let me know if there is anything we can do to get your support.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 00:41, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Sigh

I don't think she's coming back: she's posted retired all over the place...ResMar 12:43, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Mattisse's block does not expire until Friday. Perhaps she will return after that. Karanacs (talk) 16:44, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

I hope Mattise's recent edits indicate that she is indeed not retired. Dabomb87 (talk) 01:37, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

About warnings

Hi Mattisse. Hope you're doing well. I noticed your question about warnings. For the most part, if you go to the person's contribs., at the top of the page you'll see a link to their "block log". I know it doesn't display what warnings are given, but it does give you an idea on what's going on a bit. In Mal's case, it was a smile and a joke that Jenna posted I think. Sometimes folks get a little silly after they've been here a while (and I'm just as guilty). It's all in the spirit of talking to folks, being friendly, and people who have gotten to know each other just having a little fun. There's probably a few editors that would frown on this type of behavior, but for the most part it's harmless. Just friends enjoying their time on Misplaced Pages. — Ched :  ?  01:46, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Yes, it is nice that blocks warnings are not to be taken seriously. Sorry to have caused you to reply. I should have known that in Mal's case it was a smile and a joke, as editors are not all treated equally, depending. I guess warnings are never to be taken at their face value. Regards, —mattisse (Talk) 02:00, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Hey, you don't have to apologize to me for anything. I enjoy talking to the folks here ;). And it's a pleasure to meet you Mattisse! — Ched :  ?  02:53, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Let's just step back here for a minute Ched. All of a sudden I'm the one being castigated because of a joke that Jennavecia made on my talk page? How does that work exactly? --Malleus Fatuorum 01:49, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Back?

Hi, I hope you're back - so many editors appreciate your contributions to articles. If you think you're about to do something even slightly controversial, please check with one of your mentors first. If it looks like someone's trying to use you as a soft target, we'll warn them off. --Philcha (talk) 06:04, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Would it be possible to get clear, unequivocal answers, here or elsewhere, to the following:

1. Who is mentoring Mattisse at present?
2. How do they view their role and commitment as mentors (briefly)?
3. I don't doubt the willingness of some mentors to "warn off" people interacting with Mattisse. I'm more interested in what these mentors will do if Mattisse is using someone as a "soft target".

Any responses would be appreciated. MastCell  07:20, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

All good questions. Suggest we put them on hold until we see if Mattisse is doing more than dipping a toe in the water. I think we all want her back (or most, anyway), hitting her with 1000 kg (bricks) might not be helpful right now.--Wehwalt (talk) 18:42, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Well, I don't know the answer to any of MastCell's questions, but I want to join Philcha in hoping Matisse will rejoin the project and resume making the sort of outstanding contributions she has made in the past to so many articles. Rusty Cashman (talk) 18:48, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Isn't it great she's back?--Wehwalt (talk) 00:09, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

I hate to be gauche, but I'm not going to be fobbed off quite that easily. I don't wish to hit anyone with 1000 kg of bricks, but given the relevant history, the people who have to deal with this situation deserve to have these questions answered as a minimal show of consideration. MastCell  00:24, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Suggest you leave notes on the talk pages of the mentors. Left handed.--Wehwalt (talk) 00:33, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Don't bother asking me MastCell; I quit the job when it became obvious that my advice was being completely ignored. --Malleus Fatuorum 01:35, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

• Please consult User:Mattisse/Plan. However, I question having User:Malleus Fatuorum as a mentor/adviser. He was added after ArbCom approved the plan. Also, his history of joke blocks are difficult for me to understand. I cannot tell what is real and what is not, what is proper and what is not from his page, the profanity and insults. I do not want to continue to have to watchlist it and have to know all the stuff that goes on there. It gives me a poor impression of admins to see their jokes about blocks there. I need mentors/advisers who are clear on what is right and what is wrong. I don't want to feel stupid because I did not understand that his was a joke smiley block. Just like I don't get the joke in joke sockpuppets and why they are condoned as joke blocks are condoned. Regards, —mattisse (Talk) 00:43, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

• Mattisse, let me be brutally frank with you. I am sick to death of your continual efforts to reinvent your history. You asked me to be one of your mentors, and I was not "added after ArbCom approved the plan". You have learned nothing from your experience at ArbCom, and as a result it now seems to be inevitable that you will end up there again. I have washed my hands of your mentorship, as it has clearly been ineffective and directionless. Added to which Philcha's comment above about your mentors "warning other editors off" simply fills me with horror. It is you that needs to be warned off, not other editors; warned off from harbouring grudges and distrorting reality. Let's stop playing this "poor little me" game and try to get a grip on reality. I'm sorry to say that your mentors have done you no favours, and presently doing you more harm than good in my view. --Malleus Fatuorum 01:19, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Please stop posting on my page. This is the eight "message banner" I have received from you in the last few minutes. Perhaps we are each equally glad to be rid of each other. I am glad not to watchlist your page and feel relieved. Regards, —mattisse (Talk) 01:33, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Well, here's your ninth and last from me, at least for now. I have great respect for your article writing and copyediting skills, which is why I agreed, against my better judgement, to be one of your mentors, after you asked me. Against that though is your tendency to see enemies where none exist, to invent victimisation whenever it suits your purpose, and to pursue a policy of vendetta. I sincerely hope that your remaining mentors will at last find themselves able to address those ongoing issues. --Malleus Fatuorum 02:06, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

I will post wherever I like Mattisse. Live with it. --Malleus Fatuorum 01:38, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

I request again that you stop posting on my page. It feels intimidating. And it is not constructive. —mattisse (Talk) 01:57, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

By the way, Mattisse, Central Supply wants those Retired banners back, if you aren't using them.--Wehwalt (talk) 02:00, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Why should the truth be intimidating? I do realise though that you've just come out of a two-week block, which I thought was overly harsh, and so I will respect your wish not to post on your talk page, at least for now. --Malleus Fatuorum 02:14, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

← To go back to the matter at hand, I would greatly appreciate a direct answer to my questions. Referring me to User:Mattisse/Plan doesn't help me, because it's not clear to me how much, if any, of that plan remains operative. Significant parts of it seem to have been overtaken by events. I don't think it's too much to ask for Mattisse to at least specify who her current mentors are, as a starting point. MastCell  04:44, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure what your purpose is, but as suggested above, it might at this moment be more helpful if you read the ArbCom case and if still unclear, speak directly to the people mentioned in the plan you have been linked to. Those of us who agreed to sign up to the plan made it clear that it was Mattisse's decision as to when and how she contacted us for advice. None of us signed up to look over her shoulder, so if you want to get a response from somebody like myself, then my talkpage or my email would be the best place. I'm only here today to see if Mattisse has returned. I don't usually come here, and I dare say that is the case for most of the others. And if you do want to know more from me than what is given in the plan and was discussed during the case I would be interested in an explanation of your interest and your intentions because at the moment I am a little puzzled. SilkTork * 16:44, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. I've read the ArbCom case several times, but will re-read it at your suggestion. If I have a question for you, I will contact you on your talk page. At this point, I'm still struggling for an answer to my first question, so I haven't gotten that far.

Mentorship was proposed as an approach to address a pattern of problematic interactions. Following the most recent incident, it seemed to me that a) some of Mattisse's erstwhile mentors no longer wished to continue in that role, and b) members of the community in some cases had a very different conception of the mentorship process than did the mentors themselves.

In that context, it's no longer clear, to me at least, who Mattisse's remaining mentors are. It therefore seems reasonable to ask Mattisse directly. That would be a starting point to address the question of what can be done to prevent further distressing episodes, which is my interest here (to answer your query). The resistance to this first simple, direct question concerns me. MastCell  18:32, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

As far as I know, all the mentors/advisers who were originally designated per arbcom, and whose advice I trusted, are still willing to be mentors/advisers, with the possible exception of User:Ling.Nut who retired. Please remember also that my RFC was closed due to inactivity. (See Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/User conduct/Archive . Arbcom meant to put the past to rest and focus on my behavior going forward. You may want to bring up more recent issues with my adviser/mentors. In the case of FAR, YellowMonkey would be the person to address. In the case of DYK, it would be Art LaPella. Both agreed in arbcom to take on that role. Regards, —mattisse (Talk) 18:50, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Thank you, that's very helpful. YellowMonkey at FAR, and Art LaPella at DYK. As I'm not able to know whose advice you currently trust, could you indicate which of the listed editors (Philcha, Fowler&fowler, Geometry Guy, RegentsPark, SilkTork, and John Carter) you still consider mentors? (I've left off Malleus and Moni3 for obvious reasons). And if I've missed anyone, please let me know. Thanks again. MastCell  21:12, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Yes, YellowMonkey, Art LaPella, Philcha, Fowler&Fowlder, Geometry guy, RegentsPark, SilkTork, John Carter and Salix alba. Ling.Nut if he is around. —mattisse (Talk) 21:30, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

OK, thanks. I'll address the remaining questions to them. MastCell  21:38, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Yes I am still willing to be a mentor. For some reason I missed the previous incidents which led to the block. So I don't really know quite how things escalated. We do need look at how the plan is implemented as it did not seem to be particularly efective the last time. I do have a question for Mattisse: What do you think could have been done to stop the previous problem flaring up? --Salix (talk): 21:16, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

I used poor judgment and thought that I would make a point. I see so much joking going on it is hard for me to distinguish sometimes. I think a great deal would be gained by my dewatchlisting a variety of pages that seem to lead me astray and to think incorrectly. I get caught up in the wikidrama and general shenanigans and jokiness and forget that I am not really one of them. By the way, I am number 127 on the Misplaced Pages:List of Wikipedians by number of edits/latest, so a very small number of my edits are problematic, and not any of them regarding article edits. I allow myself to be provoked and let other editors get under my skin. I am so glad to hear from you! Regards, —mattisse (Talk) 21:38, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

I truly don't understand how one can be "provoked" into creating sockpuppets. Mattisse, you really need to begin taking responsibility for your own choices. 14:06, 15 September 2009 (UTC) Karanacs (talk) 14:58, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

I also found this hard to understand, but have already expressed my disappointment in several places. Mattisse cannot undo her mistake, only try to learn from it: Mattisse frequently comments that she doesn't understand the system, what is a joke, what isn't, etc. etc.; this is no defense of inappropriate behaviour when she has so many mentors who have offered to advise her; I'm not aware of anyone being contacted in this case and I'd be surprised if any of us would agree that her creating sock accounts in an ironic critique of sock puppetry was a wise move.

However, I am not going to walk away from my offer to provide well-intentioned advice (time permitting) just because Mattisse did not seek it on this occasion. The whole thrust of the ArbCom remedy was to make Mattisse responsible for her own actions. I regard and have always regarded her mentors as a resource for her to call on to help her stick to her plan. If she doesn't make use of us, that's her problem, and she has to face the consequences. Fortunately, I don't need to say much more on this topic, as SilkTork has eloquently articulated a similar view here which I encourage anyone interested in this matter to read; in particular, this links to a key passage from the arbitration case. Mentoring was never intended as policing, and I've been disappointed that some editors comments have caused confusion in this respect. The community may decide in future that a more proactive policing role is necessary. I cannot personally be involved in such a role.

Rather, I would suggest to Mattisse that if she decides to return to extensive editing, then her plan needs to be tightened up a bit. I was already suggesting this before the arbitration closed, and raised it with her again early July. For instance, I believe it would be helpful to have a page, watchlisted by mentors, where other editors can draw attention to threads that are becoming stressful (either for Mattisse or other editors). Such a page should be wikilinked clearly from this talk page.

My view that mentoring is not policing has a flip-side, however: it isn't protection either. The post which started this thread has the wrong emphasis, and MastCell's response was understandable. In my spirit "warning off" other editors is not part of the mentoring role. For me the mentoring role is to help Mattisse protect herself, mostly from herself, but also to help her respond better to the challenges she faces. While I am not as filled with horror as Malleus is by the opening post, I firmly disagree with its tenor. Mattisse is, self-evidently, responsible for her own actions, and if she decides to continue to contribute here, she needs to appreciate that fact. Geometry guy 21:50, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Further to this, I hope that Mattisse's removal of the retirement notice a few minutes after my post reflects that she understands her responsibilities to the community and the encyclopedia. Geometry guy 22:14, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

(outdent) I have such a page User:Mattisse/Monitoring. If my mentors/advisers deal with comments there, that would be great. Further, this is a quotation from my plan:

"

• User:Art LaPella is willing to report to my adviser(s)/mentor(s) should I be disruptive at DYK. He has not seen any disruptive behavior on my part there.
• User:YellowMonkey says he does not put up with unruly behavior at FAR, so there are no worries there, I think. He encourages me to participate in FAR.

"

So FAR and DYK complaints should be directed at them. —mattisse (Talk) 22:36, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

I am watchlisting it. A prominent and carefully worded hatnote on this page would encourage other mentors to do the same, and indicate to general editors that they can raise concerns about problematic interactions there. Geometry guy 22:52, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

As currently worded, it remains unhelpful: the page specifically states that it is for mentors and advisors, so there is still/as yet no place for other parties to raise concerns, except on Mattisse's talk, which multiple mentors have indicated they don't even follow. This has always been an alarming shortcoming in this plan. Other parties need a place to raise issues, other than Mattisse's talk. There is no reason for other parties to have to go to Art LaPella, YellowMonkey, or any particular mentor; the plan should have a central location for raising concerns, which all mentors should commit to watching. If they aren't watching something, how are they mentoring? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 06:02, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

SandyGeorgia, I'm surprised that you think Mattisse's mentors don't watch this page - I know it's on my watchlist as an automatic consequence of any post I make here, and I'd expect the same to apply to other mentors. PS I've also watchlisted User:Mattisse/Monitoring. --Philcha (talk) 06:18, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

It's not what I *think*; it's what they *said*. But now that we've established that at least one of you is watching this page, perhaps you will call Mattisse's attention to the altered section heading she placed here on a post of mine, using my name three times, singling out my name in a section heading (a review of WP:TALK may be helpful, and restoring my post to the way I made it would also show good faith). Further, I'm wondering if you have anything to add about the fact that there is no place for other editors to raise concerns? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 06:23, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

SandyGeorgia, I think it would be helpful to be more specific. "It's not what I *think*; it's what they *said*" is uninformative - in such cases I provide diffs / historical versions, or sometimes on the same page I quote the poster's name and the timestamp if it's in the same section. The same goes for "the altered section heading she placed here on a post of mine".

Re "the fact that there is no place for other editors to raise concerns" - there is and Mattisse has put a link to this in a hatnote in her Talk page. Do you have suggestions on how to present this information? --Philcha (talk) 06:57, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Philcha, at the risk of repeating myself *again*, by ignoring obvious concerns and issues that have arisen repeatedly, you do Mattisse a disservice. I must ask that you try to be more open-minded and less partisan in recognizing the problems and concerns, and put aside what appear to be your increasingly apparent issues with me so that you can better serve Mattisse. That page clearly says it is for mentors and advisors only, and there plainly was no provision put in place for other editors to raise concerns, it is abundantly plain that most mentors were not following Mattisse's talk, you have once again managed to change the subject and avoid answering the direct questions put to you, and it's utterly apparent that no mentor was aware of Mattisse's personalization of issues at GAR, FAR or on her talk page well before the socking incident. Asking for a plain procedure, where other editors can raise concerns that clearly all of the mentors missed, is entirely reasonable, and no, I am not going to give you diffs when I am on vacation, traveling, and currently have nothing more than a miserable slow dialup connection, which chugs for five minutes to just pull up my watchlist. Please try to attend to the obvious; mentors missed the past issues completely, others need a place to bring them that is watched by mentors, and expecting Mattisse herself to know when to contact her mentors is entirely unreasonable: if she knew when she was getting into trouble, presumably she wouldn't do it. Your approach, again, is not serving her best. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:22, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

SandyGeorgia, I got mixed up re User:Mattisse/Monitoring, it's between Mattisse and her mentors - sorry.

So I suggest the place for others to raise concerns is here - editors who don't know the history but have concerns to raise would come here, and there's no point in having a separate "concerns" page for those who do know the history.

Re contacting Mattisse's mentors, User:Mattisse/Plan#Mentors_list lists them.

If you wanted to complain about anyone else, you'd have to provide specific references to the issue(s). Why should Mattisse be treated differently?

I don't have issues with you. I simply think you need to provide more information about any complaints or concerns you need to raise. Otherwise your points may be ignored because there other things to deal with, or time may be wasted on trying to deal with issues that do not have the normal level of definition and evidence. That's nothing personal, I'd ask anyone else to provide the same information. --Philcha (talk) 18:16, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Are we going to continue going in circles on Mattisse's talk page? Once again, past issues brought to this talk page were overlooked, not watched, not seen, or not addressed by "mentors", even when they occurred right on this page. In the interests of Wiki and Mattisse, will you (plural, mentors) or will you not address the obvious need for a place for raising concerns, so that Mattisse can be relieved of having all of us going back and forth on her talk page? And please, don't ask me to supply diffs when I've never seen you correct Mattisse's statements about other editors, that are made without diffs. The obvious need not be diffed; we had a very long thread on my talk about this very problem (that mentors weren't even watching Mattisse's talk). SandyGeorgia (Talk) 22:38, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

First, I'd like to say that I'm glad to see Mattisse back as well. Personally, I think maybe the best way to set up "complaints" or matters which others believe call for "monitoring" would be to place such comments on the Monitoring talkpage, leaving the main page for discussion with the "monitors", although that wouldn't necessarily preclude other parties adding comments to an existing discussion with the monitors on that page. And I can't be sure who else would want to do this, but I would encourage Mattisse to maybe contact one of us directly, either on our talk pages or through e-mail where available, if situations arise regarding matters of others in the future. That might help ward off such incidents in the future. John Carter (talk) 16:45, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

I watch Matisse's page and have been following this latest round. Though, by nature, I prefer to stay away from drama, I must say that, in the form of a mea culpa (where is that pastor guy when you need him!), I failed to give Matisse proper mentor-ly advice during the sock and bishonen episode. The correct response would have been to ask Matisse to immediately apologize to bishonen and the community, to pipe down and take her medicine, and to live out the 2 week block. That, I didn't do, mostly because I was unaware that cabalism was grievously offensive (mistakenly believing that the charge had lost its bite after the end of the Cultural Revolution!). The only good piece of advice that I gave, and that I will reiterate here (though, I doubt if it will be followed), is to bear in mind that this is just a website and it is best not to get emotionally involved with what goes on here. --RegentsPark (sticks and stones) 16:47, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Welcome back

Good to see you editing again. I am insanely busy in real life at the moment, but please get in touch with me if you are feeling any stress regarding returning to Misplaced Pages. SilkTork * 16:48, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Also glad to see you editing again, you certainly seem to me well able to make valuable contributions. As always, I plead ignorance and idleness for not following the goings on, but will be glad to help with anything that doesn't disrupt my wikisloth. All the best, dave souza, talk 20:41, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for your kind words. I am deeply appreciative. —mattisse (Talk) 00:15, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Choor Singh

Just a reminder that you put this article on hold at WP:GAN on July 13, 2009. Comments were last made on the GA review on August 10, and the article has now been on hold for greater than two months, which is far too long to leave it on hold. Articles should not be on hold for longer than three weeks. I would recommend listing the remaining issues with the GA criteria on the GA review, closing it as a fail, and recommending that the editors renominate it again once it meets the criteria. Dr. Cash (talk) 14:30, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Also, Shanhua Temple was placed on hold by you on August 8, 2009. The last comments in the GA review were made on August 17, so that review is getting a bit old as well. Dr. Cash (talk) 14:36, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

I have taken care of the latter. On the former, the editor is still travelling so I have asked him what he prefers. The article is basically ok but could do with improvements to meet GA. Regards, —mattisse (Talk) 22:31, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Watchlist

I've had that page watchlisted for some time, actually. One idea that does come up to me, however, is that, based on some of your comments regarding this recent matter and other previous ones, you don't seem to pay as much attention to a lot of the "political" aspects of the site, and tend to react to some of the "oddities" here when they do come to your attention. In the ArbCom, you said you had never read an arbcom page completely through. Recently, you said you weren't aware of Bishzilla being an alternate account, pretty much exclusively used for either jokes or occasional use of over-the-top, if occasionally less-than-polite, less-than-completely-serious, commentary. For someone who is as heavily involved in some of the most contentious matters we have here, GA and FA determination, this may not necessarily be to your advantage. I think it might be to your advantage to maybe read some of the wikipedia space pages a bit more frequently and thoroughly than you seem to have done to date, if for no other reason than doing so would make it easier for you to keep up with some of these irregularities, and that would probablhy be to your advantage. John Carter (talk) 15:49, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Thank you

Thanks to all my advisers/mentors. You all have responded as soon as you could after my block. I appreciate your watchfulness and will strive to learn from this experience. Thank you for your posts. I seek to learn and improve. Please inform me of any problems you see in my editing. Regards, —mattisse (Talk) 00:06, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Image Discussion

An image that I uploaded for the Untitled (How Does It Feel) article a while back, File:UntitledMV.jpg, is being put up for deletion. Since u assessed the article for GA, do U mind adding some input on the matter? (see Discussion). Dan56 (talk) 01:53, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Tiananmen Square self-immolation incident‎

The above article has had its share of problems in the past. It is under Arbcom probation, yet its principal issue is one of WP:NPOV. A bunch of Falun Gong devotees took it over and have been guarding it have resisted all attempts at neutrality, and caused it to be delisted as WP:GA. I have recently been able to fight off the attack, reverted it first to its GA version. In the last 2 weeks, I have given it a significant rewrite. I intend to submit it for WP:FAC very shortly, and your help getting it there would be much appreciated. Ohconfucius (talk) 05:45, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Food rheology

On September 20, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Food rheology, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Misplaced Pages is not for feuding

We know that you and Giano (and Giano's friends) don't like each other. Please take the high ground. Don't lobby against your past adversaries. Just go work on some articles instead. Jehochman 12:48, 21 September 2009 (UTC)