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Warnings

September 2009

Please do not delete content or templates from pages on Misplaced Pages, as you did to Kazakhs, without giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your content removal does not appear constructive, and has been reverted. Please make use of the sandbox if you'd like to experiment with test edits. Thank you. — Kralizec! (talk) 14:14, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

You are not being constructive. First of all, the article is about the Kazakh people as a nation, not about how Kazakhs live all over the world. I could upload a picture of the Kazakh family of my friend in LA and caption it "Kazakhs family in LA, USA". But this would be absolutely irrelevant just as the discussed photo is. Even if it actually depicts a Kazakh family - on which I absolutely disagree due to the reasons listed before. Even if it did, it only depicts a single family and is not representative of the community or Nation as a whole. This picture has a very low value, also due to it's date, it was made in 1987 which is 22 years ago, so it hardly depicts a present situation and thus has a low informative value. If you think that's the only picture you could get on Misplaced Pages. I could contact a Kazakh friend of mine in China and get a newer and more interesting photo. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.24.61.83 (talk • contribs) 09:44, 23 September 2009

Please stop. If you continue to blank out or delete portions of page content, templates or other materials from Misplaced Pages, as you did to Kazakhs, you will be blocked from editing. — Kralizec! (talk) 16:03, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to vandalize Misplaced Pages, as you did at Kazakhs, you will be blocked from editing. — Kralizec! (talk) 11:59, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Now you contradict yourself, you said that I should not touch the image and alter the caption instead, and that was exactly what I did.(Quote:"If you disagree with the caption, take it up there rather than at the Kazakh article.") But you just reverted my edit and threatened me with banning. As defined in the article Vandalism is a a deliberate attempt to compromise the integrity of Misplaced Pages. In my case I am trying to improve the relevancy of the content in the article to its name. And I am providing reasoning for my actions, rather than mindlessly deleting the content. This is a dispute over the content of the article and as it is further defined - edits/reverts over a content dispute are never vandalism.

It seems to me that you just have an unhealthy attitude towards the article. And you are using your authority and position of an Administrator to scare me, by intending to ban me. I mean how healthy is that? If you disagree with me - prove me wrong, that's the idea of 💕. The universal access to editing all the content in the attempt to make Misplaced Pages better.

What you are doing - you are just using your authority to prevent the edit that you personally do not like. And the reasoning is quite questionable. I understand you are busy with editing and tidying up huge amounts of data in Misplaced Pages, but your attitude towards this issue is quite unhealthy.

I will try to contact Misplaced Pages management or other administrators about this specific issue, because I think your opinion regarding this specific article is not objective and you attitude is not the one you would expect form the administrators of a 💕. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.24.61.83 (talk • contribs) 09:56, 23 September 2009

As the Kazakhs article itself notes, it is about the "Turkic people of the northern parts of Central Asia" including not only Kazakhstan, "but also found in parts of Uzbekistan, China, Russia, and Mongolia." As such, a photo of Kazakhs in China is both appropriate and relevant to this article. I personally do not have any particular knowledge of or interest in either this article or Kazakhstan, however I was asked to help keep an eye on both as part of a request at WP:RFPP that said POV-pushing was happening to both. As an otherwise un-involved admin, my purpose here is to enforce Misplaced Pages policies and guidelines. — Kralizec! (talk) 14:14, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

If you remember, one of my major arguments is that the picture itself is not proven to depict specifically a Kazakh family. There is no indication of that. The faces of the people as well as the type of the Yurt they use does not comply with Kazakhs looks or Yurt building style. You should understand that there are many Nomadic people in the Central Asian region and parts of China: Kyrgyz, Karakalpak, Jungar - but ut does not mean - they are all Kazakh. That's why I've made and edit to the picture name (which you prevented for no particular reason) - Nomadic People - Not Kazakh. You just want to keep the article as it was - without considering and effort to improve the relevancy of the information presented. The definition presented in the article will need to be revised as well, as it is quite vague. There are many "Turkic people of the northern parts of Central Asia" and not all of them call themselves Kazakh, there are Kalmyks, Tatars, Chuvash etc... You yourself admit that you do not have any knowledge in the issue, then it seems a little strange to me why you prevent my argumented edits. Having lived in Kazakhstan for a while and having studied Kazakh people history, I happen to know some specifics of Kazakh people looks and way of life. I understand that there was a request to protect the article, then the requestee should present his opinion - why he thinks the edit was wrongful. I assume the requestee should have some background knowledge in the domain. Your opinion on this matter is not that of an expert and as far as I understand you are following the procedure, without having ability to analyze whether your actions will do better to the article or not because you don't happen to have any background knowledge on the subject of the article.

If your purpose is to enforce Misplaced Pages policies and guidelines this also means that you should make sure that the content presented is relevant and will make the information presented more valuable for the reader. As for this particular picture I do not believe that it pictures Kazakh people, rather is pictures a Nomadic family, moreover it was made in 1987 - which I believe should be indicated in the caption(otherwise people should assume it is a recent picture). Overall, I believe that this photo with its current caption is irrelevant to the article. And "an otherwise un-involved admin" without "any particular knowledge of or interest" in this article I can understand that you are not able to be objective on these edits - because you do not have any background on the subject.

Then I should assume that your threats to ban me is just the way to accertain your authority and power in Misplaced Pages.

To put it in simple language you are saying:"I was asked to protect this page. I don't quite know anything about Kazakhs or have any particular interest in this article but I can ban you for trying to change something."

As an person with no interest in the article and no background knowledge in the issue, I would expect you to introduce me to a person who issued the requests for Page Protection in the first place. I believe that person should be able to present a well-argumented opinion on why he/she thinks my edits were wrongful. From that point you could monitor our hopefully healthy discussion in an attempt to bring most relevant information to the article to increase its value to Misplaced Pages readers.

Otherwise, as you stated that you do not know much about the content of the article or Kazakhstan and Kazakh people in general, it seems that your attempts to prevent all my edits do not have enough ground under them. ---- Andrew — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.24.61.83 (talk • contribs) 23:54, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

The image File:Kazakhs people.jpg has the notation that it is "Kazakhs people, Xinjiang, China" and as such, this photo is both appropriate and relevant for the "Kazakh minorities in China" section of the article on Kazakh people. Your assertion that you know better because you have lived in and studied Kazakh history is irrelevant as Misplaced Pages policy specifically prohibits the use of personal opinions and experiences. Please note that I am not attached to this particular image, and I would be just as happy if the article used a different image to illustrate Kazakh people in China. My goal in watching over the Kazakhs and Kazakhstan articles is to prevent the resumption of edits designed to remove or obscure the presence of religious and ethnic minorities in Kazakhstan, as well as the existence of Kazakh minorities in other nations. — Kralizec! (talk) 19:35, 24 September 2009 (UTC)