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Check this out!

Check out my sandbox! Maildiver (talk) 01:35, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

More convenient replacement for the tag "ref"

Hello. I've made a new script instead of tags <ref> in "scientific" style (but compatible with it and any other markup). It's simpler than tags "ref", for this example:

in a body of the article, and

and description of a book - in the "Bibliography" section.

• Fixed problem with page numbers in books - many links with different numbers of pages can be refer to one book in "Bibliography".
• Backlinks highlighted in yellow (button "Back" in browser can be used to find backlink and not interrupt the reading).
• It's compatible with any other wiki markup, but need to use {{SciRefsOn}} in any part of the article to turn script on (precaution for compatibility, if there any articles have sequence in their text).
• Not cluttered article text with tags "ref".
• This reference style corresponds to the convention of scientific literature.

Working sample, based on article zinc (it is not my article, I chose it at random), I've placed here: http://ru.great.wikia.com/Zinc Source code of script is here. X-romix (talk) 08:33, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Non-standard citation systems cause more problems than they solve. It fact, there isn't a problem to solve. We already have guidelines on citing sources, footnotes, and the like. Please do not substitute your new system for the existing standard usages without community consensus. Thank you. —Finell (Talk) 17:42, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

There is common scientific standard (Harvard referencing system).

The two most common types of referencing systems used are:

• author-date systems—such as the Harvard system, APA and MLA
• numerical systems—such as Chicago or Turabian, Vancouver and Footnote

It is possible to adjust showing reference (author-date or numerical) system in the personal user settings. X-romix (talk) 18:21, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

I strongly support making refs easier to read and easier to use. You might want to pass this along to the usability team?--Jimbo Wales (talk) 22:32, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Thank you, I'll write them. X-romix (talk) 09:37, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Done. X-romix (talk) 17:16, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Adding a Link..

Aloha Jimbo.. Just wondering if you can help me out.. I wanted to add my website link to as I have the biggest and most up to date "V" website on the net.. Just wondering if you can please add it to the external link section, as when I do, it gets removed, and my last membership was banned for spam etc, when all I did was add a link, and changed it a couple of times trying to get it looking right..

My website is The V Files and can be found at .. Thank you for your time and patience.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by VGooderV (talk • contribs) 07:05, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Did you actually read the external link policy when your other account got blocked? Specifically, I'm referring to this part of WP:ELNO:

11. Links to blogs, personal web pages and most fansites, except those written by a recognized authority. (This exception is meant to be very limited; as a minimum standard, recognized authorities always meet Misplaced Pages's notability criteria for biographies).

Your website is both a personal web page as well as a fansite, and it isn't written by a recognised authority (i.e. you or your company don't meet Misplaced Pages's WP:BLP notability requirements). From what you've mentioned here there was a clear reason provided for your blocking - excessive linkspamming. I would strongly advise that you cease trying to add your personal website as an external link.

P.S.: Your site seems to be trying to access your secured CPanel page whenever someone loads your index page; any visitors who load your page will be hit with a box asking them to login or cancel (take it from a multimedia/IT student, that's going to confuse people). You might like to fix that. SMC (talk) 12:57, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Can you explain.. Aloha.> Well just wondering if you can explain why others can link then.. There is an unofficial forum there that has nothing to do with the show officially.. Being this:

They are not affiliated with the show, at least I have backing from Jace Hall and Scott Rosenbaum, executive producers.. Also how is official? Site has nothing to do with the show only a review so why can they? So why can others be allowed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by VGooderV (talk • contribs) 19:23, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Can You embed external images to this site

Hi, Hi my name is Jerem Jurey and i lived in Sidney,Iowa. Is it possible to embed by url or upload by url, as i have a bunch of Park Ridge Transit Photos that i would like to place in the article, and am wondering it that is possible,

User talk:Matt037291 13:37, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Replied on Talk page. Rodhullandemu 13:49, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Checkuser on ruwiki disclosed the IP address of a user

Ruwiki checkuser ru:user:Ilya Voyager published the IP address of a user which he obtained using his checkuser privileges. Please check if this type of behavior is in agreement with Misplaced Pages privacy policy. That's the link to his edit in which he disclosed the IP address. SA ru (talk) 21:17, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Best to ask the other checkusers to look into it, as well as Russian admins. Without a more detailed understanding of the circumstances than I am able to get from reading Russian (which I can't read at all!), it is difficult for me to offer any concrete advice.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 22:13, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Unfortunately Russian checkusers are not trustworthy -- at least in my opinion. Just to give you an example, they checked ru:user:Lvova to investigate the development of her love affair with her boyfriend who happened to be a banned user. Russian checkusers are very close friends; they would stand for each other. IMHO, an independent inspection is needed. In this particular case the user was accused in adding links to official sites of some musicians. His/her IP was disclosed for absolutely no reason. SA ru (talk) 00:57, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

I support the notion of an investigation - but I'm not able to conduct it myself. I would talk to other (non-Russian) checkusers, who have the experience and ability to look into it.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 01:58, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Could you please forward my request to the checkusers who could conduct an independent investigation? They might also want to look at this summary of ruwiki checkusers' inappropriate behaviors. SA ru (talk) 13:19, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

I should also point out that the Ombudsman Commission has the mandate to investigate possible privacy violations by volunteers (in particular, use of Checkuser). You might want to contact them. — Coren  02:15, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

I contacted Ombudsman commission in the past and found it to be mostly a waste of time. The major problem is they do not speak Russian, so it is difficult to explain to them the actions of ruwiki users/checkusers. They also tend to stop responding to e-mails at some point. In my opinion, they do not provide appropriate protection for the users against the intrusions into their privacy by strangers (nobody really conducts background checks on the checkusers) who gained access to the confidential information. SA ru (talk) 13:31, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

I also contacted ombudsman comission when russian checkusers investigated my wiki-mails (ru:User:DR), but there was very small effect. Serebr (talk) 17:30, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

A bit more information about this incident. Checkuser DR used his tools to inspect the mail usage by Serebr. Then, he published in Misplaced Pages the following information: "Serebr sent N e-mail messages to other users". Despite this outrageous violation, DR is still a checkuser and continues to operate in a similar manner. SA ru (talk) 04:25, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Actually, the Ombudsman commission did take the case of Serebr very seriously and after internal discussions we came to a conclusion which is publicly available e.g. here. Before that, ru-Arbcom decided whether rules were broken in the same case, their decision can be found here. Note that unlike ru-arbcom we did criticize the action as not necessary, however not as a breach of the privacy policy.

Please note also that the foundation itself has clearly stated that it wishes the Ombudsman commission to deal exclusively with violations of the privacy policy (see http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2009-January/048981.html). They stated that violations of the meta checkuser policy which covers important topics like unneccessary checks, political control, valid reason for checkuser should be handled by local arbcoms or, if not existing, the stewards. Obviously, we do not want to act against the will of the foundation. --Tinz (talk) 22:18, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

I am not following drame on ru-wikipedia, but the IP made the same spam edits on the same article as the both accounts in the report see e.g. none needs checkuser to guess that the accounts are connected. I think ru:user:Ilya Voyager would better not to mention the IP in the sock report whether he guessed the connection using the checkuser tools or not but I personally see no crime here. AFAIK ru:user:Lvova was under checkuser investigations because she been quite a trusted wikipedian (a member of OTRS, an admin on ru-wikipedia and a spokesperson for Russian Wikichapter) has shared her IP with a notorious sockpuppeeter GSB. Nobody as far as I can tell was interested in her love life. I am a proponent of creation a sort of interproject conflict investigation team to act when serious allegations against a project arbcom but I am not sure there are anything interesting in this incident Alex Bakharev (talk) 00:52, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

The mere fact that the same edits were made from different accounts does not prove that the accounts are connected. Besides, the user might have revealed his IP address accidentally. There was absolutely no need to confirm the correspondence using the checkuser tools. Yes, Ilya Voyager used his checkuser priveledge to get the user's IP address. This is clear from his report. And yes, he violated the rules because the rules do not allow to publish IP addresses. It may or may not be that in this particular case no damage was done. But the next time Ilya Voyager publishes somebody's IP address, the damage can be quite substantial. I've been watching the activity of Russian checkusers for some time, and they clearly systematically violate the rules. For example, they would expose the correspondence between different users working from the same IP address. (I have proof for that, and unlikely the checkuser did not realize that those were different users.) They would conduct a check for a frivolous reason. They would even intentionally falsify the data. (This is known for sure.) Their routine of publishing the results of their checks, so that everybody can read those, does not make any sense. Why are they doing this? Does this help Misplaced Pages or their intention is to harass people? You are also wrong about Lvova. Checkuser Kv75 was invited to her apartment in Moscow, and he could see with his own eyes that she lived together with the sockpuppeter, and they used the same computer. Now tell me what kind of additional information about Lvova was there to find by conducting the checks? If she shares her IP with the boyfriend, her account will match his automatically. Of course, I do not know what exactly they checked because I do not have access to the logs. But Drbug has the logs in his disposal, and he testified that the checks were performed in depth, with the intention to investigate the travel of Lvova and her boyfriend and the time periods they spent together. Drbug specifically complained that those actions were an intrusion into the personal life of a young woman. Lvova herself complained about this several times in livejournal. She even sprayed one of her harassers with water at the recent wiki-conference in St. Petersburg. She also hinted that the checkusers were interested in her love life, but I would not speculate on that because these remarks are sketchy. SA ru (talk) 04:19, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

It's difficult to justify what mandate such team would have, however. For instance, I have a fairly clear mandate by this Misplaced Pages's community to investigate and solve disputes, but there is no reason someone on another project would see me as little more than a well intended newbie on theirs. I suppose it would be possible to have a "meta" ArbCom that has a project-wide mandate and would only involve itself when disputes cross project boundaries, but that's one heck of a project to start— let alone get off the ground. — Coren  20:06, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

*cough*m:Global arbitration committee & m:Requests for comment*cough* MBisanz 20:10, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

We still have the five pillars valid for all our projects. I have heard horror stories about tight cabals taking over small language projects and actually driving out all others (I have no idea is it true of false). Even for the large projects like en-wiki Arbcom can have difficulties in keeping neutrality if many Arbcom members are involved (like the FT2 or the IRC cases). The current meta-Arbcom does not seem to be of great help as it stands now. Maybe its authority can be explicitly supported by WMF? Alex Bakharev (talk) 00:31, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Privacy issues should not be handled by communities because nobody really controls their procedures. As the result, complete strangers obtain access to private information. Privacy issues should be handled centrally. If there is a complaint about checkuser actions, such complaint should be taken seriously. SA ru (talk) 04:35, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Just to let you know....

...that whenever I see a racist comment on any page, I plan to remove it, and I will likely block the contributor. Please let me know if you have any problems with this. Best regards, Hamster Sandwich (talk) 02:24, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

That sounds completely appropriate to me. Be sure to carefully follow policy and of course don't over-interpret remarks. But yes, racist commentary has no place in Misplaced Pages.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 19:55, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

This edit just wrecked my head. I hate this kind of garbage, deeply. I thought about this post a bit while at work today, and I should add a disclaimer that I wouldn't remove material that is "contextual," within an article. For example, a (very stupid) politician who has made some kind of racist remark that was noteworthy, or you know, historical comments, that are part of the knowlege base in WP. But if it's just random bigotry that I happen to find here and there, well....none of us should suffer such fools gladly. Or at all. Thanks for the "nod." Best regards, Hamster Sandwich (talk) 20:04, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Oh, yes, of course. Sometimes articles need to cover racism and racist attitudes. Of course we'll need to have examples in at least some such cases. I understood your meaning the first time around. But yeah, that comments - the one you linked to, above - is clearly out of line and not ok for Misplaced Pages at all.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 00:01, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Doughnut Drive 2009

Hi Jimbo. I hope you're going to participate in this important event. ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:18, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Dang! I gained 5 lbs looking at that page! Thelmadatter (talk) 20:24, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

The banner.

Please see this thread on it. Your input, and hopefully, action concerning the matter would be greatly appreciated.— Dædαlus 02:03, 13 November 2009 (UTC)