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Sati in Hinduism

First of all suicide is bad!! The practice of Sati is not sanctioned by any authoritative text in Hinduism. It started as a voluntary excessive and peer pressure gradually led to more following during the middle ages. But thankfully apart from a few stray cases, this is unheard of, and outlawed in India today. I should hope somebody changes the "Sati is" on the Suicide page to "Sati was". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.8.230.53 (talk) 22:04, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Suicidal Linguistics

See my (Stuart Sovatsky) Words From the Soul: Time, East/West Spirituality and Psychotherapeutic Narrative. (Albany: SUNY Press, 1998)Chapter 2 "Revenge Against Impermanence, Temporal-Spiritual Psychopathology" for a discussion of the grammatics (specifically, the predominant use of the past-tense in narrating one's life-story, as often happens in the course of various forms of psychotherapy, and also the contraction "it's" that conflates traumatic events of the past into a single, tiny word, "it," coupled to the tiny present-tense of to be, "is" lost in the single "s") of the English language that underlie suicidal language that guides suicidal actions. The chapter also covers themes of existential and Buddhist impermanence of life that suicide hopes to permanently "end." It discusses temporal indeterminacy as a therapeutic basis for hope and relief from the suicidal narrative. The chapter is based on the earlier article in The Review of Existential Psychiatry and Psychology, "Clinical Contemplations on Impermanence: Temporal and Linguistic Factors in Client Hopelessness." 21-23, 1993, 153-79. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stuartcsova (talk • contribs) 00:32, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

NERO SUICIDE.

The reference for Nero's suicide is correct (29) BUT he did not commit suicide because of the fire of Rome. I would erase the last part of that sentence; leaving Neros death as an example of Roman views on disgrace. I'm NOT doing it as this is a semi-protected page and I'm too lazy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Slaclos (talk • contribs) 21:53, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Suicide Pacts

A section on Suicide Pacts would be a good addition. S-Britland (talk) 18:50, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Suicide And A Tendency To Creative Writing

There should be something about the tendency, particularly among journalists, to view suicides as an opportunity to practice one's creative writing. For example, journalists often completely ignore the sources of authoritative information on suicide, such as the CDC's fact sheets (www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/suicide/index.html), in favor of something out of their own imagination.Godofredo29 (talk) 16:25, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Correction

{{editsemiprotected}} I have no account, but someone who has might like to correct the following error: In footnote 28 and under "further reading" the title of the book by Geo Stone is quoted as "Suicide and failed suicide". The real title is "Suicide and attempted suicide". 84.61.8.40 (talk) 17:52, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

 Done Marek.69 22:02, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Partly.

In footnote 28 and under "further reading" the title of the book by Geo Stone is quoted as "Suicide and failed suicide". The real title is "Suicide and attempted suicide".

Thank you. 84.61.8.40 (talk) 16:44, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

I've updated the other reference now. Marek.69 18:50, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Suicide as Escape section

The "Suicide as Esacpe" section needs to be proofread. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.192.147.206 (talk) 21:17, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Beachy Head reference.

Can't edit article at present, ref for Beachy Head is: 78.146.120.132 (talk) 20:25, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

{{editsemiprotected}} Please add above link as a reference where 'citation needed is, at end of 'Suicide Locations' paragraph. Reference text: Beachy Head - Suicide Spot, BBC Inside Out. 89.240.13.162 (talk) 18:09, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

 Done Celestra (talk) 21:01, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Section on overcoming the survival instinct?

Seems to me like the article doesn't discuss what mental events transpire while overcoming the survival instinct as a person decides to take their life. As in, how a person rationalizes suicide to the point of trumping this instinct. Does this belong here? --86.197.188.189 (talk) 20:28, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Suicide in animals?

This article only discusses humans. Is there any incidence of suicidal behavior in animals? As in, animals that consciously choose to end their lives, not animals who are prone to killing themselves by accident. --86.197.188.189 (talk) 20:32, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

And no animals don't purposefully end their lives, as opposed to accepting or risking death. Lycurgus (talk) 04:18, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

There have been cases. An octopus that stabbed itself with its beak after being abandoned by its trainers (Reference ~ The Noonday Demon by Andrew Solomon) and dogs that have drowned themselves when they were rejected by their pack or family (Reference ~ The Savage God by A. Alvarez)Neues (talk) 09:24, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

The social insects- ants and termites especially- provide remarkable instances of self sacrifice for the sake of the group. Clearly, these insects lack the intentionality that human being have and thus it is difficult to assert that they are instances of suicide. However, from an evolutionary perspective the instinctual self sacrifice of the soldier ant provides a stronger case for the adaptive nature of the act precisely because humans can have goals other than evolutionary. I take up these issues in 'Suicide and Evolution: A Philosophical Analysis of the Definition of Suicide and an Examination of the Relationship Between Suicide and Evolution' ISBN 978-3-639-13444-5. Metabenji (talk) 19:39, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Impact of suicide

"It is estimated that each suicide in the United States leaves an average of six people intimately affected by the death, either as a spouse, parent, significant other, sibling, or child of the deceased person. These people are referred to as survivors."

If this last statement made sense, then I would be a breast cancer survivor.Godofredo29 (talk) 15:46, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

It is estimated that 80% of all in home suicide scenes are cleaned up by a close friend, significant other, or a family member. Those that clean up a suicide scene of a close friend, significant other, or a family member are 75% more likely to commit suicide later on in life.

75% more likely than who? than the population at large or other close people who didn't clean up a scene? 75% sounds like a lot but does depression run in families?

'signifigant other' , how about 'lover' or 'partner'

'referred to as survivors.' - by who? suicide support community? population at large?142.177.65.176 (talk) 00:38, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

I have removed the text about 'cleaning up' and the 75% statistic as the referenced did not give credible data for the citing of these statistics. Feel free to put them back in if a more sound source can be found. For your second point about the term 'survivor', this is a very common term used by the mental health service user community - the survivor movement is very well known. See for example these[REDACTED] pages: World Network of Users and Survivors of Psychiatry, Psychiatric survivors movement. Jenafalt (talk) 11:18, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for checking that ref and eliminating the :unsupported claims. N2e (talk) 12:51, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Tags

Removed Globalize and Refimprove as their placement was judgmental given that there are 50 in-line references, a clear indication of both some cross-country comparisons and appropos this being the English wiki some concentration on the US. The other language wikis have developed articles and the degree of both these attributes is appropriate for the current article length. If they are justified then expand and others probably are as well. Lycurgus (talk) 04:17, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Extra Space Between Hatnotes And Lead

Please leave only one line of white space.68.148.149.184 (talk) 09:23, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

 Done 68.x, if you create an account, you could edit semi-protected pages like this yourself. :) LadyofShalott 18:23, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Good example

The korean former president, Ro moo hyen —Preceding unsigned comment added by Moneyjack123 (talk • contribs) 02:09, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Suicide and Evolution

-Recently,my book 'Suicide and Evolution: A Philosophical Analysis of the Definition of Suicide and an Examination of the Relationship Between Suicide and Evolution' was published by Muller Verlag- ISBN 978-3-639-13444-5. I suggest that the general ideas from this book should be added to the Misplaced Pages article on Suicide under the section Philosophical Perspectives. I would be happy to provide a summary, in order to increase the common perception of the relationship between suicide and evolution. In my book, I first provide a historical-philosophical account of suicide including Plato, Immanuel Kant, and David Hume. Then I detail the relevant theoretical shifts within evolutionary theory that provide an enhanced understanding of the phenomenon of suicide. Finally, I provide an action theoretic analysis of the definition and extension of suicide. I am new to Misplaced Pages and apparently cannot change the content of the article, though I assure you that I am well qualified to write on this topic. Metabenji (talk) 19:36, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Welcome to Misplaced Pages! This is not my field of expertise, but as a general advice; perhaps you could write a first revision of your summary in this section and if consensus is to post it, then someone will add it to the actual article. Obviously, correcting errors and adding additional information in this manner would be crude and cumbersome, but for the first revision and as a temporary solution it should be feasible -- until you are able to make changes with your own account. Posix memalign (talk) 11:41, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

International Association for Suicide Prevention

Hello, you may want to include the International Association for Suicide Prevention (IASP) (www.iasp.info) in your external links. Many thanks Iasp suicide (talk) 18:01, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

The Religion

Under the religion, it states one of the ten commandments as being "thou shall not kill" This is incorrect for the bible states "thou shall not murder" there is a huge difference between the two--70.128.42.216 (talk) 02:34, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

That depends on which translation you use... Dendlai (talk) 04:51, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Universalising article

I am going to start work on universalising the article by taking out the data and diagrams that solely focus on suicide in the USA and adding back in more universal statements. Perhaps the references to suicide in the USA could then be moved into their own page? Jenafalt (talk) 20:49, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

I have significantly cut down the epidemiology of suicide section. I cut out parts that were contradictory, lacked references, were not universal (for example the age pattern of suicide rate differs significantly between countries - the American example given was not standard across even 'developed' countries). I removed the section on season and suicide for lack of references and because it was not universal about misconceptions rather than what actually occured. Jenafalt (talk) 21:02, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Suicide prevention

I'm looking for opinions on whether or not there should be a short paragraph within the page which is concerned with suicide prevention. I think its missing one. What do you think? Jenafalt (talk) 21:22, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

develop it into its own article - there's a huge amouunt of infotrmation there. eesopceially when you include suicde prevention acorss diffrentr countries. NotAnIP83:149:66:11 (talk) 10:14, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Animal Suicide

Is there any information on whether suicide has been observed in animals? A very interesting topic, but there is nothing about it in the article. Suit Endeavour (talk) 01:49, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Suicide and anti-depressants

Do anti-depressants cause suicide and should more information be provided on this topic in the article? Neurofish (talk) 19:38, 27 August 2009 (UTC)Neurostar

Scandinavian Countries

It's often claimed that suicide rates in the Scandinavian countries are extremely high, but that doesn't seem to be the case according to http://en.wikipedia.org/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate . Perhaps this should be mentioned? 88.88.186.149 (talk) 17:09, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Cause is debt bondage

May I add a link to Debt bondage which causes lots of suicide, even in children whose parents can't get out of debt, & being upset about being unable to dress like their friends, do what friends do, etc? Stars4change (talk) 02:57, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

There's nothing said about connecting suicide to debt. Does this mean it's never been studied or considered a cause? Stars4change (talk) 01:53, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Support?

Given that people who are ideating about suicide might search it on the internet and end up here is it appropriate to give a support link here? What do others think? Jenafalt (talk) 19:11, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

I found this one,Befrienders World Wide which is a world wide website for helplines. What do you think?--Literaturegeek | T@1k? 02:39, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Removing inflammatory comments

In the article, under the "France" heading, someone stated--"During the Napoleonic era, suicide was seen as an acceptable way to release oneself from a dishonorable circumstance (such as bankruptcy). and i don't like the French".

The latter sentence should be removed. I'm new to editing Wiki articles and I'm not sure if this is the appropriate way to address this, so please forgive my ignorance. Adri71 (talk) 21:30, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

This is the wrong article, it was this article Cultural views of suicide where that text was. It was vandalism which I have reverted.See this link. You can check the edit history and click on the recent edits to undo or revert vandalism or else fix it by manually editing the article.--Literaturegeek | T@1k? 21:41, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Watch tower citation

An editor keeps adding back citations of the watch tower organisation for medical statistics. This is not an appropriate reference per WP:MEDRS. I am not going to revert again as I have aleady reverted this editor twice. I would recommend discussion here if the deletion of the citations are still challenged.--Literaturegeek | T@1k? 21:04, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Completely agree with you LG that watchtower is not a good enough reference. This information is supported by Meel B (2006). "Epidemiology of suicide by hanging in Transkei, South Africa". Am J Forensic Med Pathol. 27 (1): 75–8. doi:10.1097/01.paf.0000202738.28446.4a. PMID 16501355. {{cite journal}}: Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help) "Globally, an estimated 815,000 people killed themselves in 2000, making suicide the 13th leading cause of death.1 During the last 45 years, suicide rates have increased by 60% worldwide. Suicide is now among the 3 leading causes of death of those aged 15–44 years.1,2 Suicide attempts are up to 20 times more frequent than completed suicides.1" Still not completely happy with this ref though.Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 02:43, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Here is another cached ref http://74.125.155.132/scholar?q=cache:FdYxbbS-rdAJ:scholar.google.com/+suicide+rates+have+increased++worldwide&hl=en Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 02:46, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Okay found something I am happy with the WHO which it seems is were this originally comes from http://www.who.int/mental_health/prevention/suicide/suicideprevent/en/ And it seems that half the web is plagiarizing them. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 02:48, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Who ref looks good.--Literaturegeek | T@1k? 21:55, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Map

Is this map based on a data set or just a derivative of the WHO map found here? http://www.who.int/mental_health/prevention/suicide/suicideprevent/en/ Either way it should probably be referenced.Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 02:56, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Found a data set here for 2008 http://www.who.int/mental_health/prevention/suicide_rates/en/index.html Our map does not give the year. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 02:58, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Ordered

Ordered per WP:MEDMOS needs a section on the history of suicide.Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 20:31, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Good job.--Literaturegeek | T@1k? 22:08, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Image size

IMO images are best if set a default. A couple are currently set at 250. All should be aware that they can set preferences for default pictures from 180 to what ever they wish. Any other thoughts? Removing Antarctica would improve the image.Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 22:22, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Since unregistered readers - and that's the vast majority of wikipedia's users - don't have the option of setting preferences, we need to ensure that we don't make the images so small that the very point of them becomes lost, and that is to present information that is better presented visually. I am grateful that James has found a reasonable balance between catering for low resolution displays and the problems of older readers, such as myself, whose visual acuity is not what it was. For those interested in image sizes, there's a discussion on what range of image sizes should be in preferences, and what the default should be, at WT:Image use policy#Proposal to increase the default thumbnail dimensions. --RexxS (talk) 22:59, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Addendum, rather than rehash previous discussions, the one at MOS Talk is worth study. --RexxS (talk) 23:08, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks RexxS.Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 23:33, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Updated maps

Nice work on the gender specific maps, James. Would you consider that placing them with the subsection "Gender and suicide" would be as appropriate? At present, any browser wider than about 1340px will have the maps floating against the image above it, rather than the right margin. Moving them down a section avoids that problem on all browsers up to and including 1920px wide. --RexxS (talk) 03:48, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

User:Lokal_Profil has done most of the work. He has created a lot of excellent maps. I only help find the data sets. As long as they stay in the epidemiology section I do not have any issue were they are placed.Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 03:59, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Reffering to the Jim Jones Guyana Massacre, i think it would be great to mention that people were pressured into it did not knowingly drink the poison or have a choice in the matter. The reason for this request is that my aunt died in this massacre and i would like it very much if would do her and me this honor. Respectly, Lenni Johnston. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.100.45.227 (talk) 06:08, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Welcome to Misplaced Pages which as you know is a work in progress. Find a reliable reference and feel free to add this in the appropriate section.Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 13:53, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

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