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'Hear-Say in subarticle 3.2.3'

In the subarticle 3.2.3 'South and East Slavs' there is hear-say statement of a former Nazi official which is taken as true, or at least trying to imply something for a fact.

Quote: Hitler's high plenipotentiary in South East Europe, Hermann Neubacher, later wrote: "When leading Ustaše state that one million Orthodox Serbs (including babies, children, women and old men) were slaughtered, this in my opinion is a boasting exaggeration. End quote:

The objective data is at the end of the subsection.

Quote: The USHMM reports between 56,000 and 97,000 persons were killed at the Jasenovac concentration camp However, Yad Vashem reports 600,000 deaths at Jasenovac.This is not the truth. You can see on Yad Vashem website in the article about Jasenovac (http://www1.yadvashem.org/odot_pdf/Microsoft%20Word%20-%206358.pdf) that it is quote: many thousands were murdered, most of them Serbians" The person who wrote this section is a lyer End quote:

Instead of the quote from Neubacher I suggest putting a list of WW2 casualties in Yugoslavia of all nationalities not just one.

The following link contains one such list. It is an online version of the paper number 69 in the quote list. Table 5 of the paper has a column named 'victims in camps' which should indicate victims in concentration camps. http://www.hic.hr/books/manipulations/p06.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mljk (talk • contribs) 23:52, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Yiddish Speakers

In describing the Holocaust, mention should be made of the ethnic/linguistic characteristics of the people being eliminated from Europe (ie. Jews). In other words, for example, a major European language (Yiddish), was effectively almost eliminated from Europe (and perhaps the world) as a result of the Holocaust. So, I think the article should mention somewhere that around 85% of the Jews killed in the Holocaust were speakers, readers, and writers of Yiddish. In other words, the situation of the disappearance of Yiddish (Yiddish press, etc) should specifically be mentioned as one of the visible effects of the Holocaust.Jimhoward72 (talk) 23:19, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Find a high quality scholarly source which says that this is one of the visible effects of the Holocaust, and it may be accepted. But you can't make up or synthesize your own material, per WP:NOR and WP:SYN. Crum375 (talk) 23:41, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Also note that before the Holocaust Yiddish was an official language in Belorussian SSR and even its coat of arms had inscription in Yiddish. After the war it was abolished.--MathFacts (talk) 13:26, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

7 million

There were 7 million Jews who died in the holocaust. You who say there were only 6 million are Anti-Semites! 7 million died. You who say there were only 6 million are holocaust deniers! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.242.164.210 (talk) 15:35, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

How about instead of running onto this talk page and offending every single contributer who has worked very hard on this article, you instead provide a reliable source that supports a death toll of 7 million. So far almost every reliable source cites the number at slightly under 6 million.

Also, please see the top of this page which clearly states: "Discussions on this page may escalate into heated debate. Please try to keep a cool head when commenting here. See also: Misplaced Pages:Etiquette." Thank you. Singularity42 (talk) 15:49, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

There are many conservative Jews who say that the death toll was 7 or 8 million jews. I think all the sources are in Hebrew. Could you please assist me. I know that 6 million is a gross underestimate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.242.164.210 (talk) 18:15, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

As someone who spent a significant chunk of my undergraduate studies studying the holocaust, I find "6 million is a gross underestimate" quite surprising. But nevertheless, if you have links to sources in Hebrew, post them here or on my talk page. My Hebrew isn't that bad, and there are enough people who contribute to these Misplaced Pages pages who speak fluent Hebrew who could also follow such links. We can then determine the reliability of those sources. In the meantime, I would suggest taking a look at the information provided by Yad Vashem, which can be found here. Singularity42 (talk) 18:59, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

The fact is that the Holocaust happened, but there is no reliable figures that can back up 6 million figure, except Raul Hilberg's theory that 5-6 million died. He provided demographic data/changes, but he did not take into account that millions of Jews moved from Europe into America as a part of the persecution conducted by the Nazi fascists. Nobody can deny that the Holocaust happened. It happend! But, there is simply no reliable figure that 6 million died. Now you claim that more than 6 million died? This smells like another propaganda aimed at inflating the numbers so Israel can get more sympathy and put the horrendous war crimes against Palestinians under the rag. Shame on you.Bosniak (talk) 20:54, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Um, have you read WP:AGF? Seriously, a new editor comes in here and disagrees with certain facts in the article. I calm him down and ask the new editor to provide some sources. And from that you jump to accusing the new editor of trying to cover up war crimes against the Palestinians? Please, take a step back and calm down. Like the new editor, please see the top of this talk page which reads "Discussions on this page may escalate into heated debate. Please try to keep a cool head when commenting here. See also: Misplaced Pages:Etiquette." Thank you. Singularity42 (talk) 21:00, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Also, there is a lot of reliable research which says the figure is between 5 million and 6 million. Read the sources in this article, or take a look at the external link I added earlier in this thread. Singularity42 (talk) 21:02, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

BTW, while the discussion continues apace, the IP in question hasn't made a contribution to Wiki before or since his edit here. --4wajzkd02 (talk) 21:37, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Troll.--Sooo Kawaii!!! ^__^ (talk) 13:55, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Successful, so it seems. --4wajzkd02 (talk) 14:43, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Image off dead Jews too graphical?

Considering that many people feel sick just by the talk of dead people, especially family members of holocaust victims, I think the image of the starved dead Jews might be a little too much for a Misplaced Pages article. Anyone interested in images of holocaust victims can always just search for them. A picture of a concentration camp would be more suitable. Powerchicken (talk) 22:26, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages is not censored. Why sanitize the reality of it? Bus stop (talk) 22:35, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Agree. This topic has been discussed before, with WP:CONSENSUS to keep the picture. --4wajzkd02 (talk) 22:46, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

no, too many people don't know the reality off it. i have relatives who were killed, and believe it should be shown what and how things have happened (people should have trouble seeing these crimes, otherwise humanity doesn't learn) Markthemac (talk) 04:06, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

This doesn't seem to be an image of Jews, as they are not circumcised.Perhaps, unless we want to expand the Holocaust to include non Jews, we should just stick to pictures of Jews for this article?Die4Dixie (talk) 17:36, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

castration wasn't just in Germany

the castration of mentally ill and gay people wasn't just happening in Germany but also in France/Italy and even England!Markthemac (talk) 04:03, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

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