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Garth Brooks

It currently states 128 million but the reference is an outdated RIAA list. Mattg82 (talk) 02:42, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

While I believe Brooks' actual sales could easily approach 140-150 million, it's best to keep him on the list with RIAA's current reference (which I too believe needs updating) rather than replace the source with weakly reliable sources only because they claim higher figures. I've personally been able to locate only one reliable source for Brooks, the article here is by CNN and it's only from October, 2009; however, it states a sales figure that is lower than what RIAA indicates.

If there is a reliable source claiming a higher figure ( possibly 140-150 million) than the 128 million presented by RIAA, please bring it to my attention. Thanks. --Harout72 (talk) 03:56, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

After alot of searching, I have found one for 140 million and another for 150 million. Though I think we need something more reliable than those sources. Mattg82 (talk) 23:58, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

I'm afraid those won't do, articles must come from highly regarded news establishments or respectable music-industry-organizations such as MTV.--Harout72 (talk) 02:35, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

If anyone could find some reliable sources for the figures stated above that would be great, as his figure really needs updating. Mattg82 (talk) 01:32, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

EMINEM Worldwide Record Sales 112 Million+

Eminem Worldwide Album Sales: (2009)

The Slim Shady LP: 9.1 Million The Marshall Mathers LP: 22.2 Million The Eminem Show: 20.5 Million 8 Mile Road: 9.1 Million Encore: 10.5 Million Curtain Call: 7.5 Million Re-Up: 2.5 Million Relapse 2.8 Million+

Total Album Sales: 84.2 Million

Best Selling Worldwide Singles/Downloads (Top 5): (2009)

Lose Yourself: 6,450,000 Without Me: 6,100,000 Stan: 5,500,000 The Real Slim Shady: 5,100,000 Just Lose It: 4,700,000

Record Sales: 112 Million+

http://www.mediatraffic.de/alltime-track-chart.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by AJS2050 (talk • contribs) 15:05, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

I don't know what the points are supposed to represent on that web site; however, I wouldn't consider "mediatraffic.de" a reliable source. As far as the figures of albums and the singles go (provided above) in comparison with the figures what Eminem's certifications suggest, I'd say the figures above are rather inflated. Here is a look at Eminem's certified sales on albums, the following markets should cover 85% of the regions:

As one can see, the certified sales figures for albums-when compared on individual bases-immediately disagree with the figures that are provided above for album sales.--Harout72 (talk) 18:02, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

I agree with Harout, that is not a reliable source for such a ridiculous claim.--Petergriffin9901 (talk) 23:47, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Ridiculous claim???? what are you on about, they are no-where near inflated. Interscope are not ceritfiying Eminems albums at the moment thats why they haven't been certified yet!!, i can provide enougth links that prove the exact sales for all them albums listed above.

Eminem has sold over 80 Million albums, and well over 30 million singles/downloads, "Lose Yourself" and "Without Me" alone stack up over 12 million sales and thats just two of the many many singles.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by AJS2050 (talk • contribs) 21:48, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Theres sources for his albums sales & i can provide proof of his singles sales if you want them???

Herbert von Karajan

What happened to him?

He has completely vanished after the re-vamp, despite being in the 200-500 million category on the old version.

He's the best-selling classical artist of all time; he shouldn't really be missed off. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.127.79.8 (talk) 15:20, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

If you or anyone could find some reliable sources that state a realistic figure then he will be added back. Mattg82 (talk) 01:32, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Merge

There is a comparatively new duplicating article (List_of_best-selling_album_artists) which is under ongoing development, despite strong suggestions of delete or merge.

Possibly, some regulars from this page could have a look to avoid a degeneration into two contradictory or duplicating pages? 188.100.201.34 (talk) 02:11, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

The Monkees

In a t.v. interview with Davy Jones a few years back, talk show host Bill O'Reilly credited The Monkees with album sales of 65 million. What is their actual number? They are not showing in any categories which start at 50 million. Any explanation would be appreciated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.200.132.69 (talk) 23:42, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

The Monkees' actual sales would possibly stagger somewhere between 35-40 million. They seem to have 22.5 million in certified sales from the US (RIAA), but their sales looks quite weak else where. I'm seeing only 260,000 in certified sales coming from the UK (BPI) and some 50,000 from Canada (CRIA). I can't find anymore certified sales for The Monkees in markets such as Germany, France, Finland, The Netherlands etc. etc.. So, considering the fact that their initial releases have seen light before many of the certification-based-markets were established in foreign countries, I would say that aside from their 22.5 million in US certified sales, The Monkees should have sold some 10-15 million outside of the States. Surely; however, their sales could have never reached 65 million as stated by O'Reilly.--Harout72 (talk) 01:06, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

The Jonas Brothers

They sold 1 billion worldwide they should be on the list. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.3.102.88 (talk) 00:40, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

sorry for the language my musically educated friends:

FUCK OFF little fangirl bitch and keep on sucking Jonas Dicks.

creepy jonas brother havent even sold 10 million copies dellusional fangirl —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.116.10.38 (talk) 20:14, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Backstreet Boys sales

They have sold a lot more than 100 million. Breaking it down, 40 million sales of millennium, 32 million for the combination of backstreet boys and backstreet's back . 24 million for black and blue, 15 million for the hits chapter one. 10 million for never gone, 8 million for backstreet boys and nearly 2 million for unbreakanle. That is a total of nearly 131 million. Then add the sales of the new album this is us and the sales of the album for the fans and you're looking at an extra couple of million. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.212.121.242 (talk) 20:15, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

bob marley

where is bob marly sold 300 million albums

Nana Mouskouri out of date

Nana Mouskouri has been reported by the BBC of having sold 300 million. The 200 million referenced is from a much older article. See http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7523827.stm Filastin (talk) 23:33, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

The 200 million is also by BBC, only from 2003. Are we saying that Mouskouri has sold another 100 million within a period of six years. That sounds rather ludicrous, don't you think considering that she barely has enough certified sales within the databases to support even 10 million in sales. But thank you for bringing the reference above to my attention, which now convinced me that her record company has steadily tried to inflate her figures just to be able to jump start her sales. That said, I may have to begin to consider removing Mouskouri from the list altogether as it's becoming quite clear that even the 200 million has been tossed about for promotional purposes. --Harout72 (talk) 00:21, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

The point I'm making is that numbers are far easier to get now. Over the past four years, quite a lot has changed in terms of data gathering as well as the huge downloads boost. I'm not saying it's even got her a few million nevermind 100, but we don't have a figure for any artist that can be confirmed by anyone. Maybe the first number was odd or maybe it's 250 million, it's besides the point. To be honest, I belive that the most up to date sources should be used, especially if they're on the same site. Another thing is that record companies may blow things up, but the only choice we have is to use up to date sources from so-called 'credible' media, and the BBC has given no back-source, so changing it to the 300 brings the position forward that it just has to be changed. Removing Mouskouri would mean removing everyone else, all record companies blow things up. Wether we consider the BBC a reputible source or not on this site backs us in a corner somewhat... to remove Mouskouri or not change it would mean reviewing most sources on this page, or just deleting it. In a nutshell, most of this page will be verging on crap in terms of numbers, but there's no choice really.Filastin (talk) 03:02, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Record companies definitely inflate figures to boost sales, not maybe. And yes, there is a way to check and see whether the claimed figures are close to the actual sales or not. There are certification databases available to us, and databases of most important markets-with exception of the Japanese market's database-are listed in a box at the top of this discussion page. Regardless of the fact that Mouskouri has begun her career some 10-15 years before lot of the countries established their certification-based-markets-with exception of the US market which has been around since '58-we still should have seen awfully lot of certified sales within the databases had even the 200 million been a true figure, such; however, is not the case. This is all the certified sales I see for Mouskouri:

• Canadian certified sales since 1975: 1,050,000
• German certified sales since 1975: 1,500,000
• UK certified sales since 1973: 220,000
• Dutch certified sales since 1978: 100,000
• Argentinean certified sales since 1980: 180,000
• French certified sales since 1968: albums: 2,200,000, Singles :500,000.
• French total sales for Mouskouri since 1955: 13,352,000

I believe, it's clear that Moukouri's actual sales has never even passed the 100 million boarder. Having said that, I am entirely against using the newer figure. We need to keep the figures at this page as logical as we possibly can. By the way, most, if not all artists' sales figures have by now been scrutinized through the mentioned databases.--Harout72 (talk) 06:42, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

The problem is, keeping figures logical means keeping them badly referenced. It's a lose-lose situation. The bext thing to do is in smaller text below the more realistic figure to add the newer references. It's a bit silly not including it, considering it's from the same news source... Filastin (talk) 22:12, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

There really is nothing silly about it when Mouskouri's lack of certifications do not suggest any major sales such as 200 million, let alone 300 million. Viewing it as badly referenced is incorrect, as all of the artists on the page are supported by highly reliable sources. This is not the first time that I am seeing the same news service publishing two very different figures for the same artist, with the dates of the articles not far apart. Therefore, in order for us to go with the one that is closer to artists' actual sales, we need to verify the figures through certification-databases. And in the case of Mouskouri, even the 200 million is inflated, but closer to her actual sales in comparison with the 300 million.--Harout72 (talk) 22:22, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Added Polish ZPAV

I've added Polish ZPAV to the box at the top. Clicking on Złote płyty (Gold CD), Platynowe płyty (Platinum CD) and Diamentowe płyty (Diamond CD), will give a list of CDs with those certs. Mattg82 (talk) 01:32, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Donna Summer

most sources definitely agree around 130 million. i think she should be on that list somewhere. Disco music was a $4 billion industry and she was its 'queen'.

Teresa Teng

She needs to be deleted from here I think. This source (The Independent) states 22 million albums, while stating another 50-75 million in pirate sales. This list doesn't count pirate sales ? Plus I can't see any certifications anywhere. Mattg82 (talk) 22:48, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

I removed Teng from the list. Thanks for bringing that source to my attention.--Harout72 (talk) 23:59, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

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